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I mean, the company itself failed, the ideas didn't fail. 22 00:02:15,917 --> 00:02:20,375 The people who worked there didn't fail. So, was it a failure? 23 00:03:45,625 --> 00:03:47,000 I was in high school. 24 00:03:48,375 --> 00:03:51,124 Sixteen at the time. 25 00:03:51,125 --> 00:03:55,040 I didn't really wanna go to class. Every waking moment that I wasn't in school 26 00:03:55,041 --> 00:03:58,999 I was on the computer, learning something about it, programming and doing something. 27 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,374 Talking to friends about it, I was the geek, you know, The Revenge of the Nerds. 28 00:04:03,375 --> 00:04:09,457 For me every weekend was fixing things, or building things, from the age of three or four. 29 00:04:09,458 --> 00:04:13,124 Soapbox derby racer, or we could repair lawnmowers or what have you. 30 00:04:13,125 --> 00:04:19,165 But with this I could create new things. I could sit there and I could program a game, 31 00:04:19,166 --> 00:04:24,249 or I could program graphics, I could do things and you spoke a language no one else knew 32 00:04:24,250 --> 00:04:26,875 and you could tell people about it and they were like, wow. 33 00:04:28,542 --> 00:04:31,834 And then it was the Mac and it was all about the Mac. 34 00:04:33,166 --> 00:04:34,917 What is that? 35 00:04:38,625 --> 00:04:43,207 There were names of people like Andy Hertzfeld, Joanna Hoffman, Bill Atkinson, 36 00:04:43,208 --> 00:04:48,374 rock stars in Rolling Stone, but had nothing to do with music. They were my heroes. 37 00:04:48,375 --> 00:04:52,499 My name is Andy Hertzfeld, I bought and fell in love with an Apple II in 1978. 38 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:59,249 And went to work for Apple in 1979 and was lucky enough to help design the Macintosh. 39 00:04:59,250 --> 00:05:01,374 You have to go and find out more about them, 40 00:05:01,375 --> 00:05:04,208 and how can I go work with them, because I wanted to be like them. 41 00:05:12,208 --> 00:05:17,833 Hello, I am Macintosh. It sure is great to get out of that bag. 42 00:05:19,125 --> 00:05:21,624 January 24th 1984, 43 00:05:21,625 --> 00:05:24,165 uh, the Macintosh was being publicly introduced 44 00:05:24,166 --> 00:05:27,708 to the world, for the very first time. 45 00:05:27,709 --> 00:05:30,374 You know what I remember? We were sitting here 46 00:05:30,375 --> 00:05:37,541 and there was this roar, just sort of like a sound wave coming, coming at us. 47 00:05:37,542 --> 00:05:43,416 It was a culmination of years of work, of years of expectation. 48 00:05:43,417 --> 00:05:44,582 This was it. 49 00:05:44,583 --> 00:05:48,124 What we are trying to do with Macintosh is take away 50 00:05:48,125 --> 00:05:51,207 yet another barrier to usage of personal computers. 51 00:05:51,208 --> 00:05:53,624 One of the neatest things about Macintosh was we had a chance 52 00:05:53,625 --> 00:05:56,499 to change the way that people thought of computers. 53 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:59,290 We called it the computer for the rest of us, 54 00:05:59,291 --> 00:06:02,332 because computers weren't for ordinary people. 55 00:06:02,333 --> 00:06:06,457 We thought we had a chance to make a difference. Steve Jobs just drummed it into us. 56 00:06:06,458 --> 00:06:09,040 He was just such a brilliant motivator. 57 00:06:09,041 --> 00:06:12,082 The greatest people are self-managing. They don't need to be managed. 58 00:06:12,083 --> 00:06:14,541 What they need is a common vision. 59 00:06:14,542 --> 00:06:17,749 Once they know what to do, they'll go figure out how to do it. 60 00:06:17,750 --> 00:06:21,040 We truly believed with every fiber of our being 61 00:06:21,041 --> 00:06:26,457 that if we can solve that problem of, um, making computers accessible 62 00:06:26,458 --> 00:06:29,874 to an ordinary person by making them easy enough to use, 63 00:06:29,875 --> 00:06:32,291 we could truly change the world. 64 00:06:34,291 --> 00:06:35,582 But behind the scenes, 65 00:06:35,583 --> 00:06:38,791 behind that facade, things were changing. 66 00:06:38,792 --> 00:06:41,791 Steve Jobs was involved in palace politics. 67 00:06:41,792 --> 00:06:44,791 That was much bigger at that moment than the Mac. 68 00:06:44,792 --> 00:06:48,958 I was just too tunnel-visioned to be able to appreciate that. 69 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:51,958 I got a phone call, like around 10:00 a.m. in the morning 70 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:57,458 from someone on the Mac team saying, "You won't believe this, but Steve got fired." 71 00:07:02,125 --> 00:07:08,999 The core team was stunned. That said, things were a mess in many ways. 72 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,708 But Steve and John Sculley didn't agree about what to do with it. 73 00:07:12,709 --> 00:07:16,332 Fights escalated to the point where the board told Sculley 74 00:07:16,333 --> 00:07:18,709 that he had to remove Steve. 75 00:07:21,625 --> 00:07:25,457 Um, wrenching decision for everyone, 76 00:07:25,458 --> 00:07:29,249 both Steve and Sculley and everyone close to them. 77 00:07:29,250 --> 00:07:30,791 Since the Mac, 78 00:07:30,792 --> 00:07:33,833 really I think we were all looking for the next thing 79 00:07:33,834 --> 00:07:37,374 - because it really jaded us for anything else. - Yes. 80 00:07:37,375 --> 00:07:40,666 Any other project that kept coming up, kinda fizzled very quickly 81 00:07:40,667 --> 00:07:43,624 because it didn't have the grandness of the vision, 82 00:07:43,625 --> 00:07:47,833 it didn't have the grandness of potential impact. 83 00:07:47,834 --> 00:07:49,291 And now what? 84 00:08:06,458 --> 00:08:09,791 Good evening, I'm Marc Porat. 85 00:08:09,792 --> 00:08:12,749 Today many people believe that information tools 86 00:08:12,750 --> 00:08:17,040 are the third technology to change the course of civilization. 87 00:08:17,041 --> 00:08:21,290 Changing our relationship to nature, to each other, 88 00:08:21,291 --> 00:08:23,999 to the very way we experience reality. 89 00:08:23,1000 --> 00:08:27,749 The Aspen Institute attracted some of the most amazing people. 90 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:31,916 It had a place where they could speak freely to each other in private. 91 00:08:31,917 --> 00:08:35,749 Cyrus Vance or Henry Kissinger or the Shahbanou of Iran or... 92 00:08:35,750 --> 00:08:39,999 Very, very powerful people that you would never expect to meet. 93 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,332 Those were the people, that was, that was the teaching there, you could, 94 00:08:43,333 --> 00:08:47,916 and in fact, you were responsible and had a mandate to invent the future. 95 00:08:47,917 --> 00:08:52,958 Because the future your parents handed you, that was broken. 96 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:59,750 And so that started me in the track of saying, "What can I do to create the future?" 97 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:06,624 There comes a moment where for some reason you are in the future, 98 00:09:06,625 --> 00:09:10,999 and you see something very, very clearly. You just see it. 99 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,958 That's what happened to me, and I went into the future, 100 00:09:13,959 --> 00:09:18,124 and I saw the world which, which I thought was very real and very tangible. 101 00:09:18,125 --> 00:09:24,082 And I stood in that moment, inside it, and I looked around my... me, 102 00:09:24,083 --> 00:09:28,792 and it was there, it was all there. It was basically the General Magic vision. 103 00:09:33,166 --> 00:09:38,374 It was gonna be so revolutionary that it would take over the world. 104 00:09:38,375 --> 00:09:44,749 So this book I wrote in 1989 and this was a compilation of, of the ideas. 105 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:47,333 And it was called Pocket Crystal. 106 00:09:48,792 --> 00:09:52,834 And this is what we came up with in 1989. 107 00:09:54,834 --> 00:09:58,834 And there it is, we really had it. 108 00:10:01,875 --> 00:10:02,875 We definitely had it. 109 00:10:16,417 --> 00:10:19,374 Business is just stories. That's what people do, they tell stories. 110 00:10:19,375 --> 00:10:23,499 And they... and the ones who tell the most compelling stories are the ones who, 111 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:28,833 you know, end up making the most progress forward and Marc was a great story teller. 112 00:10:28,834 --> 00:10:33,040 After Steve Jobs left in 1985, a lot of people were pretty depressed, 113 00:10:33,041 --> 00:10:36,124 and they wondered what Apple's future was going to be like. 114 00:10:36,125 --> 00:10:39,457 You know, could Apple still go on without Steve Jobs there? 115 00:10:39,458 --> 00:10:43,874 Marc was one of the first people to see that computing in the future was gonna be, 116 00:10:43,875 --> 00:10:47,040 not just about computation, it was gonna be about communications, 117 00:10:47,041 --> 00:10:49,874 it was gonna be about content and it was gonna be very, very personal. 118 00:10:49,875 --> 00:10:52,332 Something that you could hold in your hand. 119 00:10:52,333 --> 00:10:56,666 And it was a telephone, it was essentially going to be a smartphone 120 00:10:56,667 --> 00:10:59,624 with a lot of intelligence in it. 121 00:10:59,625 --> 00:11:02,332 Imagine a personal computer, with applications organized 122 00:11:02,333 --> 00:11:04,416 around these personal wants and needs. 123 00:11:04,417 --> 00:11:07,791 An object through which you communicated with yourself about everything 124 00:11:07,792 --> 00:11:12,708 that you're thinking about. It was the way you reached out and touched other people, 125 00:11:12,709 --> 00:11:18,165 and it was the way that you reach beyond that into the larger world. 126 00:11:18,166 --> 00:11:23,791 Marc always came with his giant red book, uh, and he would thumb through the pages 127 00:11:23,792 --> 00:11:27,958 and, uh, he was able to romance me, 128 00:11:27,959 --> 00:11:31,791 he was able to romance Bill Atkinson, Andy Hertzfeld. 129 00:11:31,792 --> 00:11:33,541 Please leave a message and we will return 130 00:11:33,542 --> 00:11:35,874 your call as quickly as possible. 131 00:11:35,875 --> 00:11:39,332 I saw a message on my answering machine from Bill Atkinson 132 00:11:39,333 --> 00:11:41,499 who was my mentor at Apple, my hero. 133 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:43,791 "I just saw the greatest thing ever. 134 00:11:43,792 --> 00:11:46,416 You got to come back to Apple to work with me on it." 135 00:11:46,417 --> 00:11:51,416 And the very next day Marc Porat came over to my house with his models and stuff. 136 00:11:51,417 --> 00:11:54,457 Wouldn't it be nice, if all these notes, which are very useful, 137 00:11:54,458 --> 00:11:57,249 I could have with me when I needed them. Wouldn't it be nice I suppose, 138 00:11:57,250 --> 00:12:02,290 if letters that were important, arrived, fell out of the sky. 139 00:12:02,291 --> 00:12:07,040 I was a little skeptical at first, because Marc is such a slick salesperson, 140 00:12:07,041 --> 00:12:09,541 but I saw that, hey, this is pretty cool. 141 00:12:09,542 --> 00:12:12,874 And when I saw this, the concept and I talked to Marc, 142 00:12:12,875 --> 00:12:14,958 I got the same butterflies in my stomach. 143 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:19,290 The same feeling that I had when I first encountered the Macintosh. 144 00:12:19,291 --> 00:12:23,374 This book was not just ideas, 145 00:12:23,375 --> 00:12:26,833 not just possibilities, 146 00:12:26,834 --> 00:12:29,541 but this was a complete and thorough collection 147 00:12:29,542 --> 00:12:33,332 of the vision of the future, scenario by scenario. 148 00:12:33,333 --> 00:12:38,249 Marc said, "We are gonna create what comes after the personal computer." 149 00:12:38,250 --> 00:12:41,874 "John," he said, "I think this can be the future of Apple, 150 00:12:41,875 --> 00:12:44,124 but I'm not sure it can be done inside of Apple. 151 00:12:44,125 --> 00:12:46,207 I think it's got to be a separate company." 152 00:12:46,208 --> 00:12:49,999 I helped Marc get the investment from the Apple board. 153 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,708 So Apple ended up spinning out General Magic. 154 00:12:52,709 --> 00:12:57,332 This was the beginning of what became, I think, the most important company 155 00:12:57,333 --> 00:13:00,165 to come out of Silicon Valley that nobody had ever heard of. 156 00:13:09,834 --> 00:13:11,666 There was this aura of secrecy. 157 00:13:11,667 --> 00:13:13,582 We knew the people that went in. 158 00:13:13,583 --> 00:13:15,207 We knew they were smart people. 159 00:13:15,208 --> 00:13:19,082 You know it had Apple's fairy dust sprinkled on it. 160 00:13:19,083 --> 00:13:20,708 So we had no idea what it was, 161 00:13:20,709 --> 00:13:24,082 but by the rumors it seemed just captivating. 162 00:13:24,083 --> 00:13:27,332 There's this company, it has Andy and Bill and, 163 00:13:27,333 --> 00:13:29,541 and they're going off to do something. 164 00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:33,958 And I was like, "I don't know what they are doing yet, but I know I need to be there." 165 00:13:33,959 --> 00:13:38,040 I was dressed up, I had my suit coat and a tie, 166 00:13:38,041 --> 00:13:40,207 and I was there at about 8:30 in the morning. 167 00:13:40,208 --> 00:13:43,249 I knocked on the door, no one answered, so I opened the door 168 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:46,207 and it was very quiet and I'm like, "Where is everybody?" 169 00:13:46,208 --> 00:13:50,416 And I look over and there are two people in this office 170 00:13:50,417 --> 00:13:55,082 and they had been there all night, and they looked at me with these dazed eyes 171 00:13:55,083 --> 00:14:00,791 and they were like, "We're not hiring." And that was it. 172 00:14:00,792 --> 00:14:05,249 Everybody in the valley knew that Magic was... was doing something really cool, 173 00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:08,125 and really hot, they didn't know exactly what it was. 174 00:14:11,875 --> 00:14:16,082 Everybody wanted to be there and people literally would sleep on the doorstep 175 00:14:16,083 --> 00:14:18,290 to try to get an interview or get into the building. 176 00:14:18,291 --> 00:14:21,040 I mean from your perspective, is this unique? 177 00:14:21,041 --> 00:14:23,124 Or is this everywhere in the valley and not so special? 178 00:14:23,125 --> 00:14:26,249 No, no it's not everywhere in the valley! 179 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:29,999 The best, the brightest the coolest, the smartest. 180 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,999 Hi Megan, welcome aboard. 181 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,999 Oh, smile! You are on "Candid Camera." 182 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,457 I was always building things. 183 00:14:37,458 --> 00:14:42,541 I come from a long line of engineers. And so the idea of going to Silicon Valley 184 00:14:42,542 --> 00:14:46,165 and learning with these extraordinary people how to make products 185 00:14:46,166 --> 00:14:48,708 and create things and do just amazing things, 186 00:14:48,709 --> 00:14:51,041 that's what I wanted to do, it was drawing me. 187 00:14:54,500 --> 00:15:00,457 Andy Hertzfeld had gotten my name as a Mac developer, and so he called me. 188 00:15:00,458 --> 00:15:03,499 I'm sorry to offend you with this Non Disclosure Agreement... 189 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:05,916 But he couldn't tell me what it was, and I was just thinking, 190 00:15:05,917 --> 00:15:08,041 "Oh my god I am talking to Andy Hertzfeld right now." 191 00:15:10,959 --> 00:15:14,290 My parents are looking at me going, "I don't know anything 192 00:15:14,291 --> 00:15:17,749 about this General Magic. Why don't you go to a company you know, like 193 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:22,416 IBM or Microsoft, can't you go there, where it's well known?" 194 00:15:22,417 --> 00:15:25,332 I'm like, "No, I wanna go work for General Magic." 195 00:15:25,333 --> 00:15:29,249 He would call me ten, fifteen times a day just begging, 196 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:32,624 "Please get my resume" and he would just ask me, 197 00:15:32,625 --> 00:15:35,249 "Please, I will not stop until I work there." 198 00:15:35,250 --> 00:15:37,666 And so I go into the interview, first thing in, 199 00:15:37,667 --> 00:15:42,874 people sat me down on the floor, ripped my tie off, ripped off my jacket and said, 200 00:15:42,875 --> 00:15:47,332 "That's not how we work here." So I go home back to Michigan, packed up all my things, 201 00:15:47,333 --> 00:15:49,999 and put them in a car and then I'm like, I got to hear something. 202 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,416 So I called Dee. "What's going on?" "We have a process, we are going through it. 203 00:15:54,417 --> 00:15:56,999 We are gonna have a meeting we will talk about you, we will let you know." 204 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,624 He would not stop calling me. 205 00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:01,040 Then I started calling like every day. 206 00:16:01,041 --> 00:16:04,666 I said, "please call him because he is driving me crazy." 207 00:16:04,667 --> 00:16:07,124 I got the call. "Congratulations 208 00:16:07,125 --> 00:16:10,457 you got the job," and I just went nuts. 209 00:16:45,041 --> 00:16:49,749 Email from me to John Sculley: "We realize that the root of our strength 210 00:16:49,750 --> 00:16:55,207 was that we understood how people use information machines better than anyone else. 211 00:16:55,208 --> 00:16:58,165 This is our early vision for the product. 212 00:16:58,166 --> 00:17:03,332 A tiny computer, a phone, a very personal object. 213 00:17:03,333 --> 00:17:05,624 It must be beautiful. 214 00:17:05,625 --> 00:17:10,792 It must offer the kind of personal satisfaction that a fine piece of jewelry brings. 215 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:18,207 It will have a perceived value even when it is not being used. 216 00:17:18,208 --> 00:17:21,791 It should offer the comfort of a touchstone. 217 00:17:21,792 --> 00:17:26,250 The tactile satisfaction of a seashell. The enchantment of a crystal. 218 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:32,709 Once you use it, you won't be able to live without it. 219 00:17:34,667 --> 00:17:36,333 It's just not another telephone. 220 00:17:38,709 --> 00:17:40,333 It must be something else." 221 00:17:45,375 --> 00:17:48,332 So a lot of people in the valley they have this idea 222 00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:50,833 that they're, that they're changing the world and they say that a lot. 223 00:17:50,834 --> 00:17:54,040 They sometimes call themselves "chief change agents," and stuff like that. 224 00:17:54,041 --> 00:17:57,749 It's mostly bullshit, uh, but they have to believe it in order, you know, you don't make 225 00:17:57,750 --> 00:18:00,207 a photo app and you're not changing the world with a photo app. You're just not. 226 00:18:00,208 --> 00:18:04,541 It's not solving cancer, it's not solving poverty, it's not solving climate change. 227 00:18:04,542 --> 00:18:06,874 You know, they all have this idea that they are doing something bigger 228 00:18:06,875 --> 00:18:10,624 than what the actual thing is, but it's like the car, the lightbulb, 229 00:18:10,625 --> 00:18:14,457 it's the idea of a computer in your pocket, it's a really big idea. 230 00:18:14,458 --> 00:18:18,124 This device that allows them to access everything. 231 00:18:18,125 --> 00:18:20,416 But back then, there wasn't an internet, 232 00:18:20,417 --> 00:18:22,916 there wasn't the worldwide network of information. 233 00:18:22,917 --> 00:18:25,541 There weren't people using it, there wasn't cell phones then, 234 00:18:25,542 --> 00:18:29,332 'cause there wasn't, you know, wireless, like everything there wasn't, wasn't. 235 00:18:29,333 --> 00:18:32,332 The reason I started covering it, was because when I saw it, I was like, "Oh! 236 00:18:32,333 --> 00:18:39,457 This is where it leads." The idea of mobile computing, uhm, started at General Magic. 237 00:18:39,458 --> 00:18:41,791 - Hi guys, I've got the chips from Motorola. - Yeah. 238 00:18:41,792 --> 00:18:43,917 Yay, all right, all right. 239 00:18:46,375 --> 00:18:47,582 Cool. 240 00:18:52,208 --> 00:18:55,541 When you started to hear about the different people that were also there, it was like 241 00:18:55,542 --> 00:18:57,874 Dan Winkler? Dan Winkler's here? I know Dan 242 00:18:57,875 --> 00:19:01,499 I would read all of his books! There was Scott Knaster, Jimmy Freelander, 243 00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:03,666 Susan Kare, "They're here too?" 244 00:19:03,667 --> 00:19:05,582 Uhm, what am I doing right now? Uhm... 245 00:19:05,583 --> 00:19:08,332 Picking that "Paradigm" movie. 246 00:19:08,333 --> 00:19:11,207 And then, all of a sudden, Andy Hertzfeld walks by, 247 00:19:11,208 --> 00:19:14,541 Joanna Hoffman walks by, and you're like, "Oh my god!" You know. 248 00:19:14,542 --> 00:19:18,124 "Aah," you know, you're resonating, like the rock stars are here. 249 00:19:18,125 --> 00:19:22,249 - And then they just sit down on the floor next to you! - How are you doing? 250 00:19:22,250 --> 00:19:25,541 It wasn't just the best of the Apple of the 80's. 251 00:19:25,542 --> 00:19:29,874 It was the best of Apple early 90's that were all coming. 252 00:19:29,875 --> 00:19:32,207 And here is this whole team of people bubbling 253 00:19:32,208 --> 00:19:35,416 and bursting, you know, and I'm still trying to figure out how to get along. 254 00:19:35,417 --> 00:19:40,666 I have this kind of longer hair and I got my high tops from Detroit. 255 00:19:40,667 --> 00:19:44,416 I was the lowest guy on the totem pole, you know, "Give him some stuff and try things." 256 00:19:44,417 --> 00:19:47,749 - I was worried the chips had bugs in them. - Cut your hands. 257 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:52,249 I was only going into engineering because I knew that it would be like a tool kit 258 00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:54,374 I could use until someone would hire me. 259 00:19:54,375 --> 00:19:56,749 But then I got into it, and it turns out, oh jeez, you know, 260 00:19:56,750 --> 00:20:00,499 like I was actually really good at circuit design, like who knew, you know, who knew? 261 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:03,374 The service I would most like to see would be a shopping service. 262 00:20:03,375 --> 00:20:05,666 I could order everything, from my Teletouch. 263 00:20:05,667 --> 00:20:08,582 A lot of times people in their twenties are out, you know, 264 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:11,124 in the bars and hanging out, but our twenties are spent 265 00:20:11,125 --> 00:20:16,958 you know, just powering through, with each other, building these extraordinary things together. 266 00:20:16,959 --> 00:20:21,541 ...the camera. 267 00:20:21,542 --> 00:20:24,290 - Ooh! - Tony, was that you? 268 00:20:24,291 --> 00:20:26,749 You know, I hadn't had that many first days of jobs before 269 00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:30,624 and I wondered, "Is the first day of every job like this?" 270 00:20:30,625 --> 00:20:33,958 - The answer to that is no. - Zed, the cell broke open. 271 00:20:33,959 --> 00:20:37,124 I met Andy Hertzfeld for the first time, he was already famous, I knew 272 00:20:37,125 --> 00:20:41,708 what he looked like. In my world he was one of the superstars, and it is a little embarrassing 273 00:20:41,709 --> 00:20:44,207 to put it this way, but that was, that was pretty much like falling in love. 274 00:20:44,208 --> 00:20:48,624 OK! Let's... let's try to, uh, start the meeting, 275 00:20:48,625 --> 00:20:53,249 the... the first, uh, the first obvious thing to mention is... is 276 00:20:53,250 --> 00:20:57,416 that we are not alone here today. we're being filmed for posterity. 277 00:20:57,417 --> 00:21:01,332 It'll be a good historical or hysterical document, uh, 278 00:21:01,333 --> 00:21:03,499 some time in the future anyway, and so... 279 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:06,165 Well, I was the black sheep. I was a filmmaker. 280 00:21:06,166 --> 00:21:07,958 I'd never heard of a startup. 281 00:21:07,959 --> 00:21:10,499 I'm wired and wired for Sam here. 282 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:12,499 It shouldn't, it shouldn't be too disruptive. 283 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:14,791 What I understood was that these people were 284 00:21:14,792 --> 00:21:17,541 doing something so charmingly different, 285 00:21:17,542 --> 00:21:21,916 so charmingly new. So... fun. 286 00:21:21,917 --> 00:21:26,499 And you could trust them because what they were driven towards, wasn't a job, 287 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,916 the job never came up, the salary never came up. 288 00:21:29,917 --> 00:21:33,249 It was where we were headed, we were going to change the world. 289 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:37,249 We all basically sat on the floor... no, I did not. They all basically sat on the floor 290 00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:43,582 to talk about what it was, what are we gonna call this handheld product. 291 00:21:43,583 --> 00:21:46,791 We've been talking about possible names, what is the device? 292 00:21:46,792 --> 00:21:50,958 One of the things that's really special is that it's in my pocket with me all the time. 293 00:21:50,959 --> 00:21:55,541 It's a very different thing than computers. It's something that is in my pocket 294 00:21:55,542 --> 00:21:58,708 and I run my life out of it and through it. 295 00:21:58,709 --> 00:22:00,833 It was this notion of anytime, anywhere communication. 296 00:22:00,834 --> 00:22:03,249 The notion that it wasn't just gonna be a phone, 297 00:22:03,250 --> 00:22:06,374 but you could do all these other things with it, to integrate all that 298 00:22:06,375 --> 00:22:07,999 into one thing that I could hold in my hand. 299 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,624 I thought, "Oh my god, 300 00:22:09,625 --> 00:22:11,624 if I could have one of those." 301 00:22:11,625 --> 00:22:14,749 I'm ready. And that was how things started. 302 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:16,624 - We're rolling. - Oh yeah? 303 00:22:18,083 --> 00:22:23,582 - Show us what's in the box. - Uhm. OK. 304 00:22:23,583 --> 00:22:27,249 We are trying to make something that people love. We need it to be like your watch, 305 00:22:27,250 --> 00:22:31,457 you know, it feels like you're saying your watch, your glasses, your, your, um, your wallet. 306 00:22:31,458 --> 00:22:34,332 Something that you like the color, you like the way it feels. 307 00:22:34,333 --> 00:22:38,999 You know this is a huge, ugly thing, but, um, we had to start somewhere, we had to start 308 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,040 with components that we could buy off the shelf because you're... 309 00:22:42,041 --> 00:22:46,624 you're working from, uh... You're working from wishes and ideas 310 00:22:46,625 --> 00:22:49,082 of how you wish it would be and real components 311 00:22:49,083 --> 00:22:51,999 that you can buy that are cheap enough that you can make the product reasonable 312 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,791 so people can afford it because if it cost a million dollars, forget it. 313 00:22:54,792 --> 00:22:56,958 Was that the first one or the begin... in the beginning? 314 00:22:56,959 --> 00:23:00,082 This is in the very beginning and, um, one of the problems with this, 315 00:23:00,083 --> 00:23:03,124 was that the touchscreen was extremely noisy. 316 00:23:03,125 --> 00:23:07,040 And it just didn't have the resolution, it would be a horrible experience 317 00:23:07,041 --> 00:23:10,416 for people to use this thing. So that was actually our hardest component. 318 00:23:10,417 --> 00:23:13,958 We were pushing the envelope on every single front, 319 00:23:13,959 --> 00:23:17,165 so we're figuring out what size should it be, what sensor, 320 00:23:17,166 --> 00:23:21,165 what electric plug should it have, how many buttons should we have if any. 321 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:24,290 The feeling was that anything was possible. You could shoot 322 00:23:24,291 --> 00:23:27,833 as high as you wanted to here and as a team we were gonna be able to do it. 323 00:23:27,834 --> 00:23:32,791 The purpose of doing all this, is to go out and... and create prototypes 324 00:23:32,792 --> 00:23:35,833 so that the team can plug them into the Mac and run the software 325 00:23:35,834 --> 00:23:38,290 behind it and experience what a user would experience. 326 00:23:38,291 --> 00:23:41,833 The array of personalities, they were all like nuclear power plants, 327 00:23:41,834 --> 00:23:45,207 each one of them working on solving these difficult problems. 328 00:23:45,208 --> 00:23:48,999 For me the challenge was challenging myself to try and work at that level. 329 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,833 I was a newbie. A lot of people got to just do, you know, if you're the young guy in the team 330 00:23:53,834 --> 00:23:56,999 you had to learn and do. So you had to work double or triple time. 331 00:23:56,1000 --> 00:23:59,290 He was our college kid. 332 00:23:59,291 --> 00:24:01,958 I'm hooking up a demo so that we can see 333 00:24:01,959 --> 00:24:03,916 keyboards working with the device. 334 00:24:03,917 --> 00:24:07,916 Tony wanted to learn everything, from everyone. 335 00:24:07,917 --> 00:24:11,749 Whatever it was, yes! And more of it and how can I do more to help. 336 00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:14,833 - Is it important? - Uh, if you want to hook up disc drives 337 00:24:14,834 --> 00:24:17,457 and things of that nature, yeah. It's really important. 338 00:24:17,458 --> 00:24:21,207 I wanted to make it work really seamlessly and fast. 339 00:24:21,208 --> 00:24:25,666 This is basically our first test of our... our... basically a first demo 340 00:24:25,667 --> 00:24:28,916 of our peripheral system for the... for the walkabout. 341 00:24:28,917 --> 00:24:33,791 And this was a technology to string peripherals together. 342 00:24:33,792 --> 00:24:38,916 Today we call it USB, and so we were creating USB before the world knew about it. 343 00:24:38,917 --> 00:24:40,874 - Oh god. - It finally works. 344 00:24:40,875 --> 00:24:45,040 We decided to make everything. I mean, we were making it all. 345 00:24:45,041 --> 00:24:49,332 See right now the whole class viewable texture is one formatter for everything. 346 00:24:49,333 --> 00:24:54,207 That meant we were custom building every piece, it's kind of like hand assembling a car 347 00:24:54,208 --> 00:24:59,040 rather than using a factory. And so it's, it's insane, it's insane. 348 00:24:59,041 --> 00:25:04,124 In many projects, you might build one or two innovative break-out things, 349 00:25:04,125 --> 00:25:07,374 and then you build on top of a lot of existing stuff, you kind of stand on 350 00:25:07,375 --> 00:25:10,916 the shoulders of giants, and we weren't doing that at General Magic, we were 351 00:25:10,917 --> 00:25:14,207 building the giant from the toes all the way up to its head. 352 00:25:14,208 --> 00:25:16,749 We couldn't find a touch screen to solve this problem, in fact, 353 00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:20,083 at one point, let me see if I can find it. 354 00:25:21,667 --> 00:25:23,874 At one point, we had to invent one. 355 00:25:23,875 --> 00:25:27,290 This Wendell, who works for Wendell Sander, he came up with this idea 356 00:25:27,291 --> 00:25:30,040 of a touch screen that would be balanced on four points 357 00:25:30,041 --> 00:25:33,207 and as you pushed on it you could, you could sense touch. 358 00:25:33,208 --> 00:25:35,749 So as you touch it in any particular place, 359 00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:37,999 you can do the math, so you do the whole force 360 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,958 minus the X and Y and you can figure out where you are. 361 00:25:40,959 --> 00:25:43,416 Whether you are touching T or whether you're touching Caps Lock. 362 00:25:43,417 --> 00:25:47,207 - How small will it finally be, do you think? - Some day? 363 00:25:47,208 --> 00:25:50,124 Dick Tracy wrist watch, but... 364 00:25:50,125 --> 00:25:54,332 Right now, in the beginning, we are starting with a screen size that's probably about that big. 365 00:25:54,333 --> 00:25:59,332 Technically it was really, really hard to build something the size of those models. 366 00:25:59,333 --> 00:26:03,040 Uh, the technology just wasn't there yet, but, hey, that was ok, 367 00:26:03,041 --> 00:26:06,457 to build something a little clunkier for the first generation, 368 00:26:06,458 --> 00:26:11,208 we knew, uh, if it caught on, it would eventually get down there. 369 00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:15,874 The touchscreen is a little funky. 370 00:26:15,875 --> 00:26:18,040 What was this thing gonna look like? You know, we knew what size screen 371 00:26:18,041 --> 00:26:19,791 we were gonna have, but we didn't know that early 372 00:26:19,792 --> 00:26:22,207 everything we're gonna put on that screen. 373 00:26:22,208 --> 00:26:23,666 The thing about computer programming 374 00:26:23,667 --> 00:26:26,582 is you're making something out of nothing. 375 00:26:26,583 --> 00:26:28,958 This is not nerds creating for others nerds here. 376 00:26:28,959 --> 00:26:31,958 There is a creative process here that is much like 377 00:26:31,959 --> 00:26:34,165 making a film or painting a picture or doing a play. 378 00:26:34,166 --> 00:26:37,416 This is very creative, which is a surprise to a lot of people. 379 00:26:37,417 --> 00:26:39,749 - This is a very creative process. - You mean artistic? 380 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:41,666 - Artistic? You mean artistic. - Yeah. 381 00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,499 I'll ask him about them, OK? 382 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:45,708 Yeah, that's absolut... that got the crew yesterday. 383 00:26:45,709 --> 00:26:48,791 The common ground between Apple and what we did 384 00:26:48,792 --> 00:26:52,165 at General Magic in the sixties was idealism. 385 00:26:52,166 --> 00:26:55,833 Our art could make a difference in, in the lives of everyone, 386 00:26:55,834 --> 00:26:59,332 everyone you know and everyone you don't know. 387 00:26:59,333 --> 00:27:03,666 I think, uh, communications is the most fundamentally human thing that we do, 388 00:27:03,667 --> 00:27:08,624 and that's really why what we are doing cuts to the heart of... of... of who we are. 389 00:27:08,625 --> 00:27:13,290 Uh, that's what distinguishes people more than any other thing I think, the, uh, 390 00:27:13,291 --> 00:27:19,040 the sense of community, a sense of, of, reaching out from yourself to someone else. 391 00:27:19,041 --> 00:27:22,958 One of the things Bill and I do is just by word of mouth passing, passing 392 00:27:22,959 --> 00:27:26,499 that spirit down, down to the next generation. 393 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:30,332 We were always saying, wow, wouldn't it be great if we did that and Andy would do this, 394 00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:33,708 he would stay up all night coding the thing that we just came up with 395 00:27:33,709 --> 00:27:36,999 the idea that evening. He would stay up all night and bring in 396 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,082 a fully working thing the next morning. 397 00:27:40,083 --> 00:27:44,708 So we created this concept of different rooms, and Andy went off 398 00:27:44,709 --> 00:27:47,499 and over the weekend he completely rewrote the system 399 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:52,374 to implement this hallways thing. So we come back and it's all there. 400 00:27:52,375 --> 00:27:56,958 That shouldn't have been possible for one person to do that much work in one go. 401 00:27:56,959 --> 00:28:00,457 Passion is the thing that breaks through logic 402 00:28:00,458 --> 00:28:03,749 and makes you try to get every part right, 403 00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:07,749 not because of some science, but because of 404 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:12,249 your feeling of pride and desire to do something great. 405 00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:15,874 All you have to do is tap on this little letter creating icon 406 00:28:15,875 --> 00:28:18,124 and, uh, your favorite stationary pops out 407 00:28:18,125 --> 00:28:20,916 of the drawer. You notice it looks like a little postcard. 408 00:28:20,917 --> 00:28:24,666 There was mail, there was calendar, everything was communicating 409 00:28:24,667 --> 00:28:27,999 with each other and tiny little things that would delight people 410 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,666 that would wink at people that would just make it so special. 411 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:37,124 One interesting area we... we haven't done is... is expressing emotions. 412 00:28:37,125 --> 00:28:39,999 Uh, what... what extent would you use to express anger at someone. 413 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,207 Emoticons, today, emoticons are a big deal. 414 00:28:43,208 --> 00:28:45,833 In those days no one knew what it was, there was no such thing. 415 00:28:45,834 --> 00:28:49,290 Andy and Bill would disappear and come back with emoticons 416 00:28:49,291 --> 00:28:53,124 that were animated. They were amazingly cute and intelligent. 417 00:28:53,125 --> 00:28:56,207 Only one person hated the happy face. It's like... 418 00:28:56,208 --> 00:28:59,290 Who was that? 419 00:28:59,291 --> 00:29:02,249 I've certainly never worked with a team as ambitious. It's almost like 420 00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:06,791 we didn't care about what made sense. You know, how else could it be good enough? 421 00:29:06,792 --> 00:29:10,124 There was, uh, confidence, even arrogance there too. 422 00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:13,541 Are you kidding me? This is, this is fun! 423 00:29:13,542 --> 00:29:16,666 It was like we could walk through walls and do anything. 424 00:29:16,667 --> 00:29:19,958 Being there with all these people who were like, "We can change the world 425 00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:22,833 and we're going to do it and let me show you how." 426 00:29:22,834 --> 00:29:26,165 They were on a joy ride, a rocket ride 427 00:29:26,166 --> 00:29:29,082 with all the freedom to do what they wanted to do. 428 00:29:29,083 --> 00:29:32,917 Now it's getting them to understand this thing costs money. 429 00:29:37,083 --> 00:29:38,083 Real money. 430 00:29:41,834 --> 00:29:45,874 In 1990 there was no digital telecommunications industry. 431 00:29:45,875 --> 00:29:48,958 It did not exist, anywhere in the world. 432 00:29:48,959 --> 00:29:52,124 We were in the analog era, there were no 433 00:29:52,125 --> 00:29:55,332 digital cellphones, there was no World Wide Web. 434 00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:57,833 We were talking about bringing millions of people onto a network 435 00:29:57,834 --> 00:30:00,916 that had to be industrial strength, reliable, 436 00:30:00,917 --> 00:30:04,207 and run 24 by 7 by 365 with no glitches. 437 00:30:04,208 --> 00:30:06,708 Who else could do that, but the telephone company? 438 00:30:06,709 --> 00:30:08,959 That's who we needed, and that meant AT&T. 439 00:30:14,333 --> 00:30:17,207 The AT&T folks came in this gigantic stretched limo that was too big 440 00:30:17,208 --> 00:30:19,541 to get into the parking lot and I was watching them out of the window 441 00:30:19,542 --> 00:30:22,249 of the second floor conference room. Watching them trying to maneuver the car 442 00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:27,207 into the parking lot. They just couldn't do it. 443 00:30:27,208 --> 00:30:29,624 So they eventually got out of their car and they trouped upstairs. 444 00:30:29,625 --> 00:30:33,040 We're still waiting for Bill and people are staring at their shoes 445 00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:36,207 and a little uncomfortable. That was not a good start. 446 00:30:36,208 --> 00:30:38,249 - Um... - What happened? 447 00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:42,124 So Bill finally shows up. Um, he hadn't taken a shower in a week. 448 00:30:42,125 --> 00:30:46,541 He was wearing a Hawaiian shirt, he stunk like a goat. 449 00:30:46,542 --> 00:30:49,666 You could see the noses wrinkle on the faces of the three AT&T guys, 450 00:30:49,667 --> 00:30:51,749 but they launched the demo. 451 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,082 - This is a touchscreen? So I can ahead go and touch it. - Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 452 00:30:54,083 --> 00:30:57,082 No one had ever thought of the kind of ideas 453 00:30:57,083 --> 00:30:59,999 that Marc, Bill and Andy had instantiated in this demo. 454 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,874 ...another step. Would you like a cookie? 455 00:31:01,875 --> 00:31:03,791 - Oh no. I've eaten too many. - Would you like a cookie? 456 00:31:03,792 --> 00:31:09,458 The AT&T folks said, "We're in," and they joined us as the first network partner. 457 00:31:10,959 --> 00:31:14,582 You got to have AT&T, you got to have Apple, 458 00:31:14,583 --> 00:31:16,165 that's your roots. 459 00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:20,749 You got to have Motorola and Sony, they make the devices. 460 00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:22,082 And you got to have Phillips. 461 00:31:22,083 --> 00:31:24,207 They're also gonna make devices. 462 00:31:24,208 --> 00:31:27,124 Without those, we couldn't have been General Magic. 463 00:31:27,125 --> 00:31:32,958 And we charged them six million dollars for the privilege of joining... each. 464 00:31:32,959 --> 00:31:36,249 Here was this little startup in Silicon Valley, that was gonna change the world, 465 00:31:36,250 --> 00:31:40,124 everybody was afraid of being left out of the vision. 466 00:31:40,125 --> 00:31:43,749 This company's scale is small, but thinking so big. 467 00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:46,666 Immediately we decided to join it 468 00:31:46,667 --> 00:31:50,416 Yes, just, boom, one second, we decided. 469 00:31:50,417 --> 00:31:55,457 Sony Japan was unbelievably great, but I think one of the things 470 00:31:55,458 --> 00:32:02,290 that Marc underestimated is how each one of those relationships 471 00:32:02,291 --> 00:32:05,290 contributed to an enormous level of complexity. 472 00:32:05,291 --> 00:32:08,374 ...he said we have these three bears out there, and we call them Goldilocks. 473 00:32:08,375 --> 00:32:11,207 We're gonna dance with the three bears. 474 00:32:11,208 --> 00:32:14,499 - Marc is Goldilocks. - I find him, grraawr, grraawr! 475 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:16,416 Gurrhr! 476 00:32:16,417 --> 00:32:18,708 I thought you grraawr, grraawr! 477 00:32:18,709 --> 00:32:21,124 The vision was gonna happen because we were putting together 478 00:32:21,125 --> 00:32:24,332 16 of the largest companies on the planet 479 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:27,165 who are natural enemies, into... into the same room at the same time. 480 00:32:27,166 --> 00:32:31,457 We knew we were innovating, no one had done anything like that, and if it succeeded 481 00:32:31,458 --> 00:32:37,791 it would change everything and that took a war-like energy. 482 00:32:37,792 --> 00:32:41,165 That was fighting, that was battle. 483 00:32:45,417 --> 00:32:48,916 We had no choice, but to keep quiet about the things we were doing 484 00:32:48,917 --> 00:32:54,541 because other companies were interested in it as well, and we tried to keep secrecy 485 00:32:54,542 --> 00:33:01,457 at a level that would give a small company like General Magic time to create, time to develop. 486 00:33:01,458 --> 00:33:06,749 Everybody had to shred everything. We couldn't put everything in one bin. 487 00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:13,124 We had to wait and... and kind of dole it out to various different places. 488 00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:15,207 We were asked not to talk about it outside 489 00:33:15,208 --> 00:33:18,040 of the office because we didn't want any of it leaked. 490 00:33:18,041 --> 00:33:22,040 So there was this buzz around the company, but it really was kind of this, this, cipher. 491 00:33:22,041 --> 00:33:26,207 We had to keep it under wraps. Part of that was this PR strategy 492 00:33:26,208 --> 00:33:30,916 that we had only one shot to make news. 493 00:33:30,917 --> 00:33:34,457 "While we're in business development stage, security is essential. 494 00:33:34,458 --> 00:33:37,624 If the concept leaks, we lose our competitive edge. 495 00:33:37,625 --> 00:33:42,416 Please use the highest level of personal attention to security, including, 496 00:33:42,417 --> 00:33:46,290 if asked by an Apple colleague not on the team, say nothing. 497 00:33:46,291 --> 00:33:48,916 If asked by a non-Apple person, tell me immediately." 498 00:33:48,917 --> 00:33:53,499 Now it should be noted, John Sculley was running Apple at the time. 499 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:59,125 In that sense he was our ally, or so we thought. 500 00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:10,290 I was getting intense pressure from the Apple board and from the Apple management team 501 00:34:10,291 --> 00:34:13,457 as to why was I spending so much time on General Magic. 502 00:34:13,458 --> 00:34:18,457 And Apple was developing in parallel a business that it owned 100% of, 503 00:34:18,458 --> 00:34:22,290 called Newton, and that looked like they could ship a product. 504 00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:28,666 Ten years ago we launched Macintosh, a revolution for the desktop. 505 00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:33,207 And today we are launching Newton, a revolution for the pocket. 506 00:34:33,208 --> 00:34:37,666 John Sculley gave a keynote address at the 1993 507 00:34:37,667 --> 00:34:41,791 consumer electronic shows where he announced what we were doing. 508 00:34:41,792 --> 00:34:46,457 Imagine being able to take a cellular telephone and be able to be paged 509 00:34:46,458 --> 00:34:50,916 on the phone and write a little note and fax it off to someone else in response. 510 00:34:50,917 --> 00:34:56,332 Except he announced it as something Apple was doing. We thought Apple wasn't doing it 511 00:34:56,333 --> 00:34:58,916 and we found out from that speech that they were. 512 00:34:58,917 --> 00:35:02,374 I wish I could say that I was hurt. I wasn't... 513 00:35:02,375 --> 00:35:06,165 I wasn't just hurt, I was angry. I was fur... I was really angry. 514 00:35:06,166 --> 00:35:08,374 They had, uh, decided to make something 515 00:35:08,375 --> 00:35:11,999 essentially based on Marc's models. 516 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,165 I thought Newton was, I thought that they could co-exist, you know. 517 00:35:17,166 --> 00:35:22,499 And, so I wasn't really concerned that Newton would hurt General Magic. 518 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:27,332 They were our closest partner who really gave us our life. 519 00:35:27,333 --> 00:35:33,958 And so when we found out that they were trying to kill us, we felt completely betrayed. 520 00:35:33,959 --> 00:35:39,250 You wanna know about the Newton? I'll tell you about the Newton, ♪♪♪♪ the Newton. 521 00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:46,290 The Newton announcement caused vision envy 522 00:35:46,291 --> 00:35:48,624 on the part of all of our partners. 523 00:35:48,625 --> 00:35:52,541 They thought that Sculley's was bigger than theirs. 524 00:35:52,542 --> 00:35:56,040 "I want that vision thing. Do that vision thing for me too." 525 00:35:56,041 --> 00:36:00,582 And so they wanted to immediately go up there and introduce. 526 00:36:00,583 --> 00:36:04,582 We've got to explain the vision such that everybody gets it. 527 00:36:04,583 --> 00:36:08,375 The press gets it, the corporations get it, it's all clear. 528 00:36:12,041 --> 00:36:15,708 Leading the way to a new age of personal communication, 529 00:36:15,709 --> 00:36:19,999 creating a revolutionary electronic messaging environment. 530 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,082 We call this environment, the Cloud. 531 00:36:23,083 --> 00:36:25,749 The fact that the Newton was going to ship and it was getting 532 00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:28,874 all this publicity meant that we had to come out of stealth mode 533 00:36:28,875 --> 00:36:32,666 earlier than we had planned and well before we were ready to ship. 534 00:36:32,667 --> 00:36:36,624 Stakes are higher, you better be better than these guys. 535 00:36:36,625 --> 00:36:40,249 Big event? This was huge and we made it huge 536 00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:42,332 on purpose to raise the jeopardy. 537 00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:46,249 We knew it was gonna be a marathon that we were gonna run at sprint speed. 538 00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:51,417 It was gonna take everything out of us. Down the torpedoes, it's full speed ahead. 539 00:36:53,625 --> 00:36:57,624 This is it, we're coming, these amazing devices. 540 00:37:04,625 --> 00:37:06,791 - You remember much about that day? - Yeah, well, 541 00:37:06,792 --> 00:37:09,624 I remember my impression of Marc was, "Huh, 542 00:37:09,625 --> 00:37:14,791 most of the vision of Jobs, but he had better interface". 543 00:37:14,792 --> 00:37:16,791 Presenting Marc Porat. 544 00:37:18,291 --> 00:37:20,124 Today we are going to introduce the vision. 545 00:37:20,125 --> 00:37:24,457 Today we are introducing the technology, introducing The Alliance. 546 00:37:24,458 --> 00:37:26,791 But let it be said it's about feelings. 547 00:37:26,792 --> 00:37:31,457 How you feel about the communication with another person. 548 00:37:31,458 --> 00:37:34,666 To me the relationships of your life, is the fabric of your life. 549 00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:38,249 That's the stuff that defines who we are as people. 550 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:41,165 Marc was one of the most charismatic presenters you could ever imagine. 551 00:37:41,166 --> 00:37:45,457 But let me just hold it up for you, so you can see what this thing is, you know, about. 552 00:37:45,458 --> 00:37:47,499 Its intent is to be with me all the time. 553 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,833 The thing about Porat when he speaks is, everybody in the audience 554 00:37:50,834 --> 00:37:54,999 says to themselves two things, they say, "My god this guy is right. 555 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,582 I can go to the roof of this building and if I jump, I will fly." 556 00:38:00,583 --> 00:38:04,624 And the second thing they would think is, "And that guy up there on stage, 557 00:38:04,625 --> 00:38:08,624 and me, we're the only two guys who really get it." 558 00:38:08,625 --> 00:38:12,374 This, we hope will be with you as simply part of your existence. 559 00:38:12,375 --> 00:38:16,124 It will be that useful. The minute I see it in a store, I smile. 560 00:38:16,125 --> 00:38:19,582 It's about having fun, it's about leisure, it's about entertainment. 561 00:38:19,583 --> 00:38:23,290 I just recall listening to him and thinking, "Yes, yes!" 562 00:38:23,291 --> 00:38:28,374 When we were talking about re-inventing telephony, we meant it. This is inexorable. 563 00:38:28,375 --> 00:38:32,124 The world of personal communications, when it's fulfilled, uh, possibly 564 00:38:32,125 --> 00:38:36,290 in one generation, when I say generation, I mean my children, my son and daughter. 565 00:38:36,291 --> 00:38:38,499 When they walk around with these things they will be wireless. 566 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:40,374 Reporters would leave these briefings saying, 567 00:38:40,375 --> 00:38:43,999 "My god, uh, forget the story I'm writing, I want that. 568 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,708 The world that they just described to me, 569 00:38:46,709 --> 00:38:49,708 I want to live in that world, I want my kids to live in that world." 570 00:38:49,709 --> 00:38:52,874 A tiny gadget that combines the telephone, 571 00:38:52,875 --> 00:38:55,624 a fax machine, and a personal computer. 572 00:38:55,625 --> 00:38:58,249 Cellular phone, a pocket pager and a notepad. 573 00:38:58,250 --> 00:39:01,165 Sounds a bit like something from Star Trek, you can send and receive messages, 574 00:39:01,166 --> 00:39:06,249 order tickets, get the latest headlines or stock quotes and also you can talk on it. 575 00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:10,666 It was wall to wall coverage. New York times, Wall Street Journal, L.A. Times. 576 00:39:10,667 --> 00:39:12,582 It was front page in the Economist, 577 00:39:12,583 --> 00:39:15,541 front page on the Wall Street Journal. No small thing. 578 00:39:15,542 --> 00:39:18,624 If this works the way this industry wants it to work, 579 00:39:18,625 --> 00:39:21,958 this is going to be huge, I mean, you are talking about 580 00:39:21,959 --> 00:39:25,374 the potential for hundreds of millions of devices eventually. 581 00:39:25,375 --> 00:39:29,708 IBM is conspicuously absent from the alliance. So is Microsoft, 582 00:39:29,709 --> 00:39:34,249 which is racing to develop its own personal communicating software standard. 583 00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:39,708 Some say it's revolutionary. Others simply say it's magic. 584 00:39:39,709 --> 00:39:41,708 So we got a ton of coverage, a ton of coverage, 585 00:39:41,709 --> 00:39:45,165 and that's also where, the first questions where, 586 00:39:45,166 --> 00:39:46,791 "Well, this is, this is huge. 587 00:39:46,792 --> 00:39:49,999 Are they going to be able to actually fulfill on that vision?" 588 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,916 Marc Porat the President and CEO and co-founder of General Magic. 589 00:39:53,917 --> 00:39:58,666 Thank you very much for being here. What do you see as your... your startup date 590 00:39:58,667 --> 00:40:01,457 to actually have one of these things in somebody's hand? 591 00:40:01,458 --> 00:40:04,290 We'll be talking about dates and about product features 592 00:40:04,291 --> 00:40:07,624 in some detail this summer, but I did want to have a chance to answer your... 593 00:40:07,625 --> 00:40:09,833 In other words nobody is saying when one of these is gonna be available? 594 00:40:09,834 --> 00:40:11,624 - That's correct. - OK, OK. So... 595 00:40:11,625 --> 00:40:14,457 I caution... I... I... I counsel caution... 596 00:40:14,458 --> 00:40:18,249 ...written record of it. Um, but what we have, we have sort of... 597 00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:20,999 It did not go smoothly after that at all. 598 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,207 Moments where somebody has to start doing something and, uh, what we have decided is 599 00:40:25,208 --> 00:40:27,749 that for each of those important moments we want to make sure that there is 600 00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:30,958 real responsibility for someone to, you know, to... to say, 601 00:40:30,959 --> 00:40:33,249 "I am at this important moment, you'll start doing your work." 602 00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:38,332 Marc and Bill and Andy together decided, "Well, this is the person 603 00:40:38,333 --> 00:40:42,666 to manage the engineering team." That's what they... that's what they wanted me to do. 604 00:40:42,667 --> 00:40:44,833 And then there was this one day where I came to talk to all of them 605 00:40:44,834 --> 00:40:48,124 at once and they said, "Oh we don't need a manager. 606 00:40:48,125 --> 00:40:52,457 We don't want you, because we don't need a manager. Our leader, our leaders 607 00:40:52,458 --> 00:40:57,165 are Andy and Bill. Uh, that's what makes this place great, is we don't have managers." 608 00:40:57,166 --> 00:41:01,124 "We can be engineers without a manager and we know what's best. 609 00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:04,999 Managers are just going to get in the way. We don't need program managers, 610 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,666 we don't need any of that stuff. We are just going to make it happen." 611 00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:17,833 There was a fearlessness and a sense of correctness, 612 00:41:17,834 --> 00:41:22,374 no questioning of "Could I be wrong?" None. 613 00:41:22,375 --> 00:41:25,541 Because that's what you need to break out of earth's gravity, 614 00:41:25,542 --> 00:41:28,666 you need... you need an enormous amount of momentum. 615 00:41:28,667 --> 00:41:32,165 And that momentum comes from suppressing introspection 616 00:41:32,166 --> 00:41:34,583 about the possibility of failure. 617 00:41:36,583 --> 00:41:38,833 The Alliance was the biggest and most complicated 618 00:41:38,834 --> 00:41:41,708 consortium of global companies that had been created 619 00:41:41,709 --> 00:41:43,374 up until that time in American business. 620 00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:44,582 You had competitors at the table. 621 00:41:44,583 --> 00:41:46,582 Sony and Panasonic hated each other, 622 00:41:46,583 --> 00:41:48,249 and it made it hard for them to commit 623 00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:50,124 fully to our business. 624 00:41:50,125 --> 00:41:51,958 We needed to become independent, 625 00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:53,332 and the only way we could do that 626 00:41:53,333 --> 00:41:55,749 was buy selling stock to the public. 627 00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:58,708 It was the first, so called, concept IPO, 628 00:41:58,709 --> 00:42:01,207 which is when a company could go public without any revenue, 629 00:42:01,208 --> 00:42:02,958 let alone any profits. 630 00:42:02,959 --> 00:42:06,667 What made that possible? The imprimatur of Goldman Sachs. 631 00:42:08,792 --> 00:42:13,374 Goldman Sachs was the gold standard for investment banking. 632 00:42:13,375 --> 00:42:19,416 If Goldman was going to do your initial public offering, it meant that you too 633 00:42:19,417 --> 00:42:23,791 met the gold standard for being a real company with real prospects. 634 00:42:23,792 --> 00:42:26,040 Didn't have a product, didn't have a revenue stream, 635 00:42:26,041 --> 00:42:28,916 but, you know, it seemed cool at the time, let's invest. 636 00:42:28,917 --> 00:42:31,666 The best investment bankers came to pitch us. 637 00:42:31,667 --> 00:42:37,457 One of them came and said, "I must have a piece of the IPO. 638 00:42:37,458 --> 00:42:40,999 What would it take, what... if I gave you the shirt off my back, would that do it? 639 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,833 And I said, "Yeah. It would!" And he stripped down... 640 00:42:44,834 --> 00:42:48,124 Don't film this stuff. 641 00:42:48,125 --> 00:42:51,624 And there we were standing in the conference room with a half-naked banker. 642 00:42:51,625 --> 00:42:54,249 He got the deal, he participated in the IPO. 643 00:42:57,792 --> 00:42:59,625 Where is that happening? 644 00:43:02,834 --> 00:43:03,834 Right here. 645 00:43:06,041 --> 00:43:10,457 So then they didn't make any 44260s in five volts without this, right, enable thing? 646 00:43:10,458 --> 00:43:14,249 Probably the most challenging part of the product was deciding what not to do. 647 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:17,165 What to do and what not to do, because it's really hard, you're building 648 00:43:17,166 --> 00:43:22,290 a very complex platform. And so just often things would take longer. 649 00:43:22,291 --> 00:43:26,165 For me, I had never done anything like that. It was a huge challenge. 650 00:43:26,166 --> 00:43:30,875 You really had to work very hard to build what we were trying to build. 651 00:43:32,834 --> 00:43:36,582 I really had to up my game and they were all like, "Fadell you're doing it wrong. 652 00:43:36,583 --> 00:43:39,666 You should be doing it that way." And I'm like, "No, I think it's the right way." 653 00:43:39,667 --> 00:43:42,165 But I couldn't really articulate the way they could. So yeah, 654 00:43:42,166 --> 00:43:46,332 - I had to challenge myself and kinda go into the dark hole. - A3 Volts... 655 00:43:46,333 --> 00:43:49,708 Once we got the basics there, you take the new chip that had 656 00:43:49,709 --> 00:43:53,749 whatever the latest software that everybody had put together, 657 00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:57,291 pop it in and begin to see the screen come to life. 658 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,374 We could see it, we could touch it and feel it. 659 00:44:05,375 --> 00:44:10,082 But the responsiveness of the device was really slow. Uh, the processor was underpowered, 660 00:44:10,083 --> 00:44:16,374 for example. So the experience was a bit tap... tap... 661 00:44:16,375 --> 00:44:18,458 And, you know, kind of annoying. 662 00:44:20,375 --> 00:44:24,082 I was sitting in a lot of the user test labs. 663 00:44:24,083 --> 00:44:27,040 The engineers would sit there and say, "No, lady, what are you doing? 664 00:44:27,041 --> 00:44:30,082 Don't, don't tap that. No, it's not there, it's over there!" 665 00:44:30,083 --> 00:44:33,082 And we'd all go, "Ooh." There was some comedy there. 666 00:44:33,083 --> 00:44:36,082 The thing at the bottom that kinda looks like a comb, 667 00:44:36,083 --> 00:44:39,916 I haven't the slightest idea what that is. 668 00:44:39,917 --> 00:44:41,666 This doesn't look like it's working. 669 00:44:41,667 --> 00:44:43,541 Is this noise supposed to be here? 670 00:44:43,542 --> 00:44:45,916 - OK, we've crashed. We just crashed. - Uh-oh. 671 00:44:45,917 --> 00:44:48,082 It had this little top hat. 672 00:44:48,083 --> 00:44:50,541 Like some operating systems had little spinning wheels 673 00:44:50,542 --> 00:44:52,916 or a top hat would just start spinning. 674 00:44:52,917 --> 00:44:54,958 And just start spinning and just keep spinning. 675 00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:57,541 You just stare at this ####### thing. 676 00:44:57,542 --> 00:45:00,249 Finally you just pull out the battery and reset the device, 677 00:45:00,250 --> 00:45:02,332 because there is no point in waiting. 678 00:45:02,333 --> 00:45:05,749 target for re-bunking. 679 00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:08,582 It's not my fault, is it? It's the software engineer. 680 00:45:08,583 --> 00:45:13,207 And, you know, it's slowly dawning on us, like we are not gonna get this done. 681 00:45:13,208 --> 00:45:16,000 This isn't a finished program by any means, is it? 682 00:45:21,959 --> 00:45:25,165 The roadshow for the General Magic public offering 683 00:45:25,166 --> 00:45:28,791 was flying around in a private jet, flying first class, 684 00:45:28,792 --> 00:45:34,290 staying in the best hotels and having people sit at our feet and lap up what we were saying. 685 00:45:34,291 --> 00:45:36,624 The closest thing it comes to is touring with a rock band. 686 00:45:36,625 --> 00:45:40,124 We've got a roadie crew that has to set up the cameras and the big screen 687 00:45:40,125 --> 00:45:42,708 to make sure that people can see the demonstration of the device. 688 00:45:42,709 --> 00:45:48,582 What we envisioned is something in your hand that's with you all the time, that allows you 689 00:45:48,583 --> 00:45:53,624 to have access whether it's for fun or more importantly for mission critical applications. 690 00:45:55,333 --> 00:45:57,708 All we did was demonstrate the device. 691 00:45:57,709 --> 00:46:02,791 I would go out in the hallway and I would pretend to be an airline company 692 00:46:02,792 --> 00:46:08,165 and Marc would make an airline reservation, and in real time, Marc would reserve a flight, 693 00:46:08,166 --> 00:46:11,666 and blow people away because no one had ever seen anything like it. 694 00:46:11,667 --> 00:46:13,958 We've got tools, we've got partners. 695 00:46:13,959 --> 00:46:15,541 We've got markets that are happening all around us. 696 00:46:15,542 --> 00:46:17,624 Give us a clap. 697 00:46:17,625 --> 00:46:20,582 Great. That's the right stuff. 698 00:46:20,583 --> 00:46:25,332 The roadshow succeeded beyond everybody's wild expectations. 699 00:46:25,333 --> 00:46:28,207 The first concept public offering in Silicon Valley history 700 00:46:28,208 --> 00:46:32,958 and we raised a total of, uh, 96 million dollars. 701 00:46:32,959 --> 00:46:34,199 That's about as good as it gets. 702 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,041 We were kings of the universe, and it was really fun. 703 00:46:43,875 --> 00:46:47,416 Today we would call it going viral. The press loved us. 704 00:46:47,417 --> 00:46:50,374 They heard the vision, they saw what was going on, and whoop! They're in. 705 00:46:50,375 --> 00:46:53,708 I was just afraid Marc thought things were just too easy to do. 706 00:46:53,709 --> 00:46:56,374 How are you gonna get the price point? How are you gonna keep it from crashing? 707 00:46:56,375 --> 00:46:58,874 How are you gonna make it fast enough? How are you gonna make it readable? 708 00:46:58,875 --> 00:47:01,207 I just didn't think he was focused on that stuff. 709 00:47:01,208 --> 00:47:05,207 We were so distracted by all the articles, 710 00:47:05,208 --> 00:47:09,416 that we started to believe our own... our own tale. 711 00:47:09,417 --> 00:47:12,791 You know that we're gonna conquer the world, but yet we hadn't finished. 712 00:47:12,792 --> 00:47:17,290 We were not paying attention to the other external trends that were happening around us, 713 00:47:17,291 --> 00:47:20,541 because we were aiming so far out in the future. It was like the... 714 00:47:20,542 --> 00:47:24,082 the current context around us really wasn't considered that relevant, 715 00:47:24,083 --> 00:47:28,458 because we were aiming to far out. But boy was that relevant. 716 00:47:33,583 --> 00:47:37,582 Put simply the internet is just a network of networks. 717 00:47:37,583 --> 00:47:40,749 In recent years, a relatively unknown communication system, 718 00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:44,791 called the Internet, has exploded in popularity with such intensity 719 00:47:44,792 --> 00:47:49,999 that it's predicted that over 25 million people will be using it by the year 1998... 720 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,791 And we had an intern who's like, "Hey everybody, 721 00:47:52,792 --> 00:47:56,040 it's all about the Web. You guys are totally missing it." He was telling us this. 722 00:47:56,041 --> 00:48:00,582 It was probably late 94' early 95' and you could go to every Website at that time. 723 00:48:00,583 --> 00:48:03,290 There was a list of them and you could go and visit all of the Websites. 724 00:48:03,291 --> 00:48:06,874 And it was all very rough, you know there was mostly text. 725 00:48:06,875 --> 00:48:12,290 Uh, having graphics was leading edge and we were working on this rich multimedia system 726 00:48:12,291 --> 00:48:17,374 with audio and graphics and things animating and the richness was far beyond 727 00:48:17,375 --> 00:48:21,791 what the web was, but the web had... had worldwide reach. 728 00:48:21,792 --> 00:48:25,290 This other force had appeared and we weren't looking at it, you know. 729 00:48:25,291 --> 00:48:28,457 We were in bed with AT&T with our private cloud. 730 00:48:28,458 --> 00:48:33,249 The whole point about having a closed network is that people had to pay to use it, 731 00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:35,833 and that's where AT&T was going to generate it's revenue. 732 00:48:35,834 --> 00:48:42,290 The problem was pivoting toward the World Wide Web, that would have meant cannibalizing 733 00:48:42,291 --> 00:48:47,374 or perhaps even wrecking AT&T's business model and we just couldn't do it. 734 00:48:47,375 --> 00:48:52,874 I have to invest the time, the time to keep banging on the web 735 00:48:52,875 --> 00:48:58,332 with my mouse and my keyboard because unless I do that nothing happens. The web is passive. 736 00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:01,624 But even though it was all here, right in front of us, 737 00:49:01,625 --> 00:49:05,500 we were unable to see that was the way to go. 738 00:49:19,667 --> 00:49:24,416 One of our developers, Pierre Omidyar, very quiet, soft spoken guy. 739 00:49:24,417 --> 00:49:28,749 He had a Webpage, and down at the bottom it had a click through called Auction Web. 740 00:49:28,750 --> 00:49:31,082 Every once in a while I would pass his desk 741 00:49:31,083 --> 00:49:33,624 and he would go, "Dee, come over here, let me show you this." 742 00:49:33,625 --> 00:49:37,124 So he would show me what he was doing and of course he explained it as 743 00:49:37,125 --> 00:49:40,374 it was gonna be kind of a garage sale, flea market, 744 00:49:40,375 --> 00:49:45,541 kind of site. OK, why do we need that? And so... 745 00:49:45,542 --> 00:49:47,916 And he came to me and said, "Do you wanna help grow it? 746 00:49:47,917 --> 00:49:50,916 You know, is it something you think is a good idea? I'd like to turn it into a... 747 00:49:50,917 --> 00:49:54,374 into a company possibly. Would you help me spin it out?" I just looked at him and said, 748 00:49:54,375 --> 00:49:57,374 "You know, this is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. 749 00:49:57,375 --> 00:49:59,374 You're gonna get strangers to trust each other on the Internet? 750 00:49:59,375 --> 00:50:02,457 Lots of luck. We're not interested, have fun." 751 00:50:07,917 --> 00:50:10,874 He tried to get lots of people to join and nobody would join 752 00:50:10,875 --> 00:50:14,249 'cause they just thought it was a flea market. I took him down to an investor conference 753 00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:18,416 in Palm Springs, so I got 15 people in there and seven of them left 754 00:50:18,417 --> 00:50:20,749 during his presentation, because it was a long, boring presentation. 755 00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:23,499 He had this pony tail down to his waist. He didn't look like the kind of guy 756 00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:26,916 who was the CEO of any kind of company. Some investors said never do that to me again 757 00:50:26,917 --> 00:50:31,332 because that's flea market, you could never make a good brand out of that. 758 00:50:31,333 --> 00:50:33,374 And that's how eBay was launched. 759 00:50:33,375 --> 00:50:36,541 We had him in our midst, and we had no idea. 760 00:50:36,542 --> 00:50:41,125 He was, he was a tech support engineer and a very quiet guy. We had no idea. 761 00:50:43,667 --> 00:50:47,416 Meanwhile we are hearing about, you know, the partners 762 00:50:47,417 --> 00:50:50,082 need a final version to put in the ROMS to ship. 763 00:50:50,083 --> 00:50:52,499 Any deferral of schedule is very politically charged, 764 00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:57,040 so what we decided to do was just remove the schedule from that information pack. 765 00:50:57,041 --> 00:51:01,207 Sony was just, you know, insistent about that, like, "Where is it? Where is it?" 766 00:51:01,208 --> 00:51:06,207 And there's only so many excuses you can come up with to try to put them off to say, you know, 767 00:51:06,208 --> 00:51:10,165 "Just a little bit longer, just a little bit longer." They're losing patience. 768 00:51:10,166 --> 00:51:12,791 Hope to deliver that by December 1st. 769 00:51:12,792 --> 00:51:16,916 Uh, we're still evaluating that, to see whether we can meet that date. 770 00:51:16,917 --> 00:51:19,249 And then we started blowing schedules. 771 00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:21,332 It's... uh, it's in development right now. 772 00:51:21,333 --> 00:51:24,457 We expect to be delayed by approximately one quarter. 773 00:51:24,458 --> 00:51:27,124 - What is going on here? - I've just gotten a little sick 774 00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,791 of all this complaining about our schedule slips, dammit. We do a good job here. 775 00:51:30,792 --> 00:51:34,374 We are a little slow sometimes and we have a lot of bugs, but so what? 776 00:51:34,375 --> 00:51:37,749 I started to understand where the cracks were starting to begin 777 00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:41,499 and where we didn't have a real message, and a real clear what we were building, 778 00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:44,249 and what we weren't building, and for whom, and for how much 779 00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:46,666 was it gonna cost, and when it was going to ship. 780 00:51:46,667 --> 00:51:49,499 This is kind of the pet shop where the animals are kept, 781 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:52,124 and the animals have different behavior when you pick them up. 782 00:51:52,125 --> 00:51:55,874 When I pick the cat up, it kind of scrunches up against 783 00:51:55,875 --> 00:52:00,040 the glass and when I drop him, he tumbles. 784 00:52:00,041 --> 00:52:03,332 These really creative people, but they would have these flights of fancy. 785 00:52:03,333 --> 00:52:05,708 I mean, they would just go off in all kinds of crazy directions 786 00:52:05,709 --> 00:52:11,332 and they were amazing ideas, but, dudes, we got to ship a product at the end of the day. 787 00:52:11,333 --> 00:52:15,457 And during that time, the Newton shipped. 788 00:52:15,458 --> 00:52:17,916 Ladies and gentleman, Newton is here. 789 00:52:17,917 --> 00:52:21,708 Newton was the product that was ready to go. 790 00:52:21,709 --> 00:52:24,040 It was all about new technologies. 791 00:52:24,041 --> 00:52:27,708 The most important thing that I've ever been involved with in my entire life. 792 00:52:27,709 --> 00:52:30,332 It's bad enough you get betrayed by them, but now 793 00:52:30,333 --> 00:52:33,666 they're gonna try to put you out of business. 794 00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:42,749 There was always something else to be tuned up, 795 00:52:42,750 --> 00:52:44,374 there was some bug to be caught, 796 00:52:44,375 --> 00:52:46,290 there was some memory leak to be plugged up 797 00:52:46,291 --> 00:52:49,291 and the date got later and later and later. 798 00:52:50,041 --> 00:52:51,708 I'd made commitments. 799 00:52:51,709 --> 00:52:53,290 The company had made commitments, 800 00:52:53,291 --> 00:52:55,582 and the commitments were now being undone 801 00:52:55,583 --> 00:52:59,666 by our inability, or maybe even cultural unwillingness 802 00:52:59,667 --> 00:53:02,165 to let something out the door that wasn't like perfect. 803 00:53:02,166 --> 00:53:07,249 And I felt the first wave, that first zap of terror. 804 00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:10,666 We were too dazzled by what it could possibly do 805 00:53:10,667 --> 00:53:15,624 to kind of realize we were biting off more than we could chew. 806 00:53:15,625 --> 00:53:20,207 I was still in creative mode, working on a flipping coin, 807 00:53:20,208 --> 00:53:22,416 uh, so the game room would have something in it. 808 00:53:22,417 --> 00:53:26,499 Whereas you tap the coin and it would flip around heads or tails 809 00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:29,416 and gave you a random number for feedback and all. 810 00:53:29,417 --> 00:53:33,416 And I was setting a bad example for the team by doing stuff 811 00:53:33,417 --> 00:53:37,249 that was relatively frivolous when we needed 812 00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:42,916 to concentrate on the boring, uh, but necessary parts. 813 00:53:42,917 --> 00:53:48,416 And it really made me do some soul searching that I was kind of, uh... 814 00:53:48,417 --> 00:53:51,582 leading people astray and not having 815 00:53:51,583 --> 00:53:55,791 quite the right, uh, seriousness of our situation. 816 00:53:55,792 --> 00:53:59,999 The deadline is everything, meet this date or miss your opportunity 817 00:53:59,1000 --> 00:54:01,457 to change the world. 818 00:54:01,458 --> 00:54:03,165 I don't think we had anyone saying that. 819 00:54:03,166 --> 00:54:08,082 I was like, "Huh... OK, I'm not crazy, 820 00:54:08,083 --> 00:54:11,458 I love all the people I work with, but something ain't right." 821 00:54:13,417 --> 00:54:17,124 My heroes, these icons, that I know as people now, 822 00:54:17,125 --> 00:54:19,833 how are they letting this happen? 823 00:54:19,834 --> 00:54:21,457 Don't they see? Don't... 824 00:54:21,458 --> 00:54:23,541 Aren't they listening? Kind of like parents, right? 825 00:54:23,542 --> 00:54:26,791 At some point when you grow up, your parents can do no wrong, 826 00:54:26,792 --> 00:54:29,582 and then they can only do wrong. It was kind of that same thing. 827 00:54:29,583 --> 00:54:33,332 I grew up as a person, and these people who I saw 828 00:54:33,333 --> 00:54:37,040 as parents and as educators started to become 829 00:54:37,041 --> 00:54:41,624 you know, humans as well in my eye, not just icons. 830 00:54:41,625 --> 00:54:45,666 And that's when it kind of flipped for me like, "I can't just follow 831 00:54:45,667 --> 00:54:49,500 the leader anymore. You need to be a leader yourself." 832 00:54:59,041 --> 00:55:03,916 One night, Sunday I think, and I walk into the building and I hear 833 00:55:03,917 --> 00:55:08,124 slam, slam, bang, bang, bang. No idea what was going on, no idea. 834 00:55:08,125 --> 00:55:11,541 And just banging away building what looked to me like bunk beds. 835 00:55:11,542 --> 00:55:14,874 I said, "Guys, what, what are you doing here?" They said, "We're building bunk beds." 836 00:55:14,875 --> 00:55:19,874 Why do you need to build a bunk bed in your office? Why don't you go home to sleep? 837 00:55:19,875 --> 00:55:22,666 We had to go up against it, pull it together to get 838 00:55:22,667 --> 00:55:26,332 something out the door. We've got to get serious. 839 00:55:26,333 --> 00:55:28,582 I remember like sleeping on, you know, some random 840 00:55:28,583 --> 00:55:31,249 mattress on the floor, we didn't care about all this, 841 00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:34,374 we didn't care whether we had furniture or anything, we were just doing this thing. 842 00:55:34,375 --> 00:55:37,874 So we're just working all out all the time, uh, and I... I was actually sleeping 843 00:55:37,875 --> 00:55:41,874 under my desk sometimes and then I would get up in the morning and just start working again. 844 00:55:41,875 --> 00:55:46,082 It's night time, people are clustered around a handful of machines. 845 00:55:46,083 --> 00:55:49,582 The rabbits are running around under their feet, the parrot is squawking 846 00:55:49,583 --> 00:55:51,791 and shitting all the time. It smelled horrible. 847 00:55:51,792 --> 00:55:58,791 Uh, it... it was dank, musty, you know it smelt of sweat 848 00:55:58,792 --> 00:56:04,749 and exhaustion and no one wanted to be anywhere else. 849 00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:07,916 We'll have it, we'll have it tomorrow morning, alright? So... 850 00:56:07,917 --> 00:56:11,541 Every single one of us, it was all hands on deck, ship or die. 851 00:56:11,542 --> 00:56:13,708 There was this constant drum beat of, 852 00:56:13,709 --> 00:56:17,249 "We have to ship, we have to ship, we have to ship." 853 00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:20,249 In terms of intensity and pressure it was the best of times 854 00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:23,958 and it was the worst of times. In some ways we were never closer to each other 855 00:56:23,959 --> 00:56:28,791 and we never felt better about what we were doing, because we were getting there. 856 00:56:28,792 --> 00:56:31,249 - My fingers? - Uh-huh. Both hands. 857 00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:34,374 - That'll never work. - One finger at the other end. 858 00:56:36,792 --> 00:56:39,916 It's quick, it's... there's a pleasing pace to it. 859 00:56:39,917 --> 00:56:42,624 - A little better? OK. - Yeah, much better, much better. 860 00:56:42,625 --> 00:56:45,165 It's this incredible experience 861 00:56:45,166 --> 00:56:48,916 of sort of all these different people working, you know, like a symphony. 862 00:56:48,917 --> 00:56:52,457 This thing that we imagined, now has become real. 863 00:56:52,458 --> 00:56:56,749 We've done it, and now you can see it and touch it and use it as well. 864 00:56:56,750 --> 00:57:00,791 It's time to ship. We need to get this out. 865 00:57:00,792 --> 00:57:03,624 It was one in the morning, everyone was there, 866 00:57:03,625 --> 00:57:05,165 everyone was exhausted. 867 00:57:05,166 --> 00:57:06,708 It was a classic decision 868 00:57:06,709 --> 00:57:09,290 that every project has to make like, go or no go. 869 00:57:09,291 --> 00:57:14,666 So here we all were, in it together and saying like, "Is this it, are we done?" 870 00:57:14,667 --> 00:57:17,708 Marc Porat said, "Anyone could speak about whether we should ship. 871 00:57:17,709 --> 00:57:22,541 Is the software ready?" And a ton of engineers said, "We should wait." 872 00:57:22,542 --> 00:57:27,542 Marc listened and he said, "Our partners have given us a deadline, we're shipping." 873 00:57:34,917 --> 00:57:38,999 So welcome to the first public demonstration of... of General Magic's technologies. 874 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,290 I wanna talk a little bit about, um, you know, we worked really hard the last four years 875 00:57:43,291 --> 00:57:47,708 putting all this stuff together. Uh, I feel, you know, emotional about it. 876 00:57:47,709 --> 00:57:51,666 Uh, people, uh, people... 877 00:57:51,667 --> 00:57:55,916 What I wanna do is, uh, is talk about the, uh... 878 00:57:55,917 --> 00:57:59,874 The incredible... the best part of working on this the last four years is not the invention, 879 00:57:59,875 --> 00:58:03,499 I... I love helping create this stuff, but the best part was working 880 00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:05,791 with the incredible team that we have assembled at General Magic. 881 00:58:05,792 --> 00:58:10,124 This isn't the work of just me and Bill, but the work of some incredibly brilliant, 882 00:58:10,125 --> 00:58:14,249 passionate people that I'm honored to be able to work with and I think these guys 883 00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:17,290 these... We're working with a bunch of young programmers in their twenties 884 00:58:17,291 --> 00:58:21,666 that are going to go on to do things that dwarf anything that Bill and I have ever done. 885 00:58:21,667 --> 00:58:27,999 They are just incredibly great and so, without further ado, with, uh, great pride, uh, 886 00:58:27,1000 --> 00:58:31,457 and representing Bill and... and the amazing team at General Magic, 887 00:58:31,458 --> 00:58:34,249 here it is world, Magic Cap. 888 00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:37,624 It's a new way to reach just about anyone - 889 00:58:37,625 --> 00:58:40,708 ...anywhere, anytime. 890 00:58:40,709 --> 00:58:42,874 You're only a press of a button away. 891 00:58:42,875 --> 00:58:46,833 Sony Magic Link, and what it takes off your desk 892 00:58:46,834 --> 00:58:50,582 is only matched, by what it takes off your mind. 893 00:58:50,583 --> 00:58:56,666 Sony Magic Link Intelligent Communicator. It clears your desk, it clears your mind." 894 00:58:56,667 --> 00:58:59,416 Still so very disturbing when you, when you work on something for so long 895 00:58:59,417 --> 00:59:02,290 and then you let it out into the world. It's like having this baby 896 00:59:02,291 --> 00:59:06,082 and like, have you raised it well enough? Is it going to be okay on its own out there? 897 00:59:06,083 --> 00:59:09,249 Uhm, it's a little traumatic, actually to let something out like that. 898 00:59:20,125 --> 00:59:22,791 Hey, these really belong to you, somebody asked me that. They are yours! 899 00:59:25,417 --> 00:59:29,958 Whatever doubts we had or whatever disagreements or anything, we were on. 900 00:59:29,959 --> 00:59:33,416 We were, this was the moment, this was the launch. 901 00:59:33,417 --> 00:59:36,709 We were gonna make it, we were gonna succeed and it was gonna be amazing. 902 00:59:41,917 --> 00:59:46,207 So, what are we doing? Today we are making the first steps. 903 00:59:46,208 --> 00:59:50,792 This afternoon it's out there, the devices are out there and the service is out there. 904 00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:57,874 We had arranged to have a demonstration day at Fry's, 905 00:59:57,875 --> 01:00:01,082 a famous place for new product introductions. 906 01:00:01,083 --> 01:00:04,082 And a few famous people from Apple came, just out of courtesy. 907 01:00:04,083 --> 01:00:07,708 We went into the store and all of the, all of the demonstration stuff was way in the back, 908 01:00:07,709 --> 01:00:12,082 behind the refrigerators, you couldn't see anything. It became clear that the Fry's staff 909 01:00:12,083 --> 01:00:15,833 had not been trained on how to demonstrate the devices, or even knew 910 01:00:15,834 --> 01:00:19,708 what they were or who we were, or why we were there. 911 01:00:19,709 --> 01:00:23,582 We talked about our user as being Joe Sixpack. 912 01:00:23,583 --> 01:00:29,457 And I do remember sitting around thinking, "You know, Joe Sixpack really doesn't have email." 913 01:00:29,458 --> 01:00:33,624 And if that was our target, it was very early for... for Joe Sixpack. 914 01:00:33,625 --> 01:00:36,249 I worried about the size, I worried about the battery life, 915 01:00:36,250 --> 01:00:37,916 I worried about the 800 dollars. 916 01:00:37,917 --> 01:00:39,666 I don't even know which button to push. 917 01:00:39,667 --> 01:00:42,457 No, I don't need that. 918 01:00:42,458 --> 01:00:43,958 - You might need it. - I don't. 919 01:00:43,959 --> 01:00:46,916 What it really comes down to is a personal decision 920 01:00:46,917 --> 01:00:49,750 as to whether or not you really wanna be in touch all the time. 921 01:00:54,083 --> 01:00:59,749 My stomach turned sour and I thought we're doomed. 922 01:00:59,750 --> 01:01:06,082 No one came, no one bought it. Nothing. 923 01:01:06,083 --> 01:01:11,374 And so we are waiting for the sales to happen and the sales numbers were low. 924 01:01:11,375 --> 01:01:15,624 Very low, and there were some problems with the AT&T Network. So bit by bit 925 01:01:15,625 --> 01:01:18,749 we began to get evidence that this thing wasn't gonna rocket right, 926 01:01:18,750 --> 01:01:23,833 it was gonna be more difficult, and that's the reality that starts to sink in, 927 01:01:23,834 --> 01:01:25,958 is that, this is not as easy as it seems. 928 01:01:25,959 --> 01:01:29,374 We had sold fewer than 3000 devices, and almost all of those 929 01:01:29,375 --> 01:01:32,833 had been sold to friends and family of the company and our partners. 930 01:01:32,834 --> 01:01:36,082 Virtually none to ordinary consumers. 931 01:01:36,083 --> 01:01:39,374 I was looking at the list of the names of the buyers 932 01:01:39,375 --> 01:01:43,457 and I recognized all of them, I knew who they were, and I thought 933 01:01:43,458 --> 01:01:47,917 that we don't have a business here, we are not gonna make it. 934 01:01:57,667 --> 01:02:00,666 Share price, that's I think, the greatest concern in this room and that's 935 01:02:00,667 --> 01:02:02,624 what we're going to take on, head on. 936 01:02:02,625 --> 01:02:06,040 The explosion of the Internet has forced a rethinking of strategies 937 01:02:06,041 --> 01:02:07,499 across the entire industry. 938 01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:09,958 I have believed for years, and continue to believe, 939 01:02:09,959 --> 01:02:14,165 that the notion of taking intelligent devices with you, 940 01:02:14,166 --> 01:02:17,791 of the scale from this big 941 01:02:17,792 --> 01:02:20,958 to that small is for real as a market. 942 01:02:20,959 --> 01:02:23,124 I continue to believe in the wireless dimension, 943 01:02:23,125 --> 01:02:26,124 there will be smart phones, there will be smart pagers, 944 01:02:26,125 --> 01:02:28,916 and maybe even things like intelligent watches, for all we know. 945 01:02:28,917 --> 01:02:34,165 It's a question of resources, priorities and market readiness, 946 01:02:34,166 --> 01:02:36,374 uh, for us to figure out where the sweet spot is. We... 947 01:02:36,375 --> 01:02:39,666 Can we make some money while this is going on? 948 01:02:39,667 --> 01:02:42,499 This guy from the San Francisco Chronicle, I mean, I remember 949 01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:44,666 he just drilled me. He was like, 950 01:02:44,667 --> 01:02:47,582 "You guys are going out of business. 951 01:02:47,583 --> 01:02:53,124 Sony is going to drop you. I have sources that have told me that. 952 01:02:53,125 --> 01:02:55,833 What is the company's response? 953 01:02:55,834 --> 01:02:59,249 What happens when Sony drops you? 954 01:02:59,250 --> 01:03:02,541 You guys are dead." 955 01:03:02,542 --> 01:03:04,999 It's like, dude, you didn't work here for three and a half years, 956 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,999 pulling all-nighters, seven days a week. 957 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,207 You didn't see the future and know what's coming 958 01:03:09,208 --> 01:03:13,999 and, and now it's all just in ashes around you. 959 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,499 I'm looking at spreadsheets, in my office 960 01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:20,791 and thinking, "In a half hour I'm gonna have to get on the phone 961 01:03:20,792 --> 01:03:25,040 and talk to the analyst from Goldman Sachs and I don't know what the hell I'm gonna say. 962 01:03:25,041 --> 01:03:28,040 How do I create the impression that there is a future here." 963 01:03:28,041 --> 01:03:30,374 Marc did it, but, uh, I was at a loss. 964 01:03:30,375 --> 01:03:34,999 The initial experience is terrific, and where we are headed 965 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,958 is sublime, and to get from terrific to sublime takes time. 966 01:03:38,959 --> 01:03:41,874 - I don't want to be negative. - Why is this tilted? 967 01:03:41,875 --> 01:03:44,457 - It's not titled. - It's been a lot of hype. 968 01:03:44,458 --> 01:03:48,249 I would not say that in the video. Where we are starting, as exciting as it is, 969 01:03:48,250 --> 01:03:50,541 is not where we are going to end up. This will take time. 970 01:03:50,542 --> 01:03:54,457 It's a voyage that takes time, it's a journey that takes time. This will take time. 971 01:03:54,458 --> 01:03:56,999 It takes time. You have to be patient. 972 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,499 Perfect, absolutely perfect. 973 01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:00,207 You know, I just thought as you were talking 974 01:04:00,208 --> 01:04:01,999 how complicated it is for you to be figuring out 975 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,999 - what you can and can't say. - Yeah, it's true. 976 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,541 It's a whole other issue I wasn't thinking about. 977 01:04:10,041 --> 01:04:12,500 I was torn up, it was... 978 01:04:15,417 --> 01:04:19,499 To walk in, there was a week, you know, Phil actually had to set me aside 979 01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:25,165 because I was so distraught, that there was a week or two that I actually just took off. 980 01:04:25,166 --> 01:04:27,916 I didn't even show up for work because I was so distraught. 981 01:04:27,917 --> 01:04:32,082 And then Phil actually had to sit me down and go, "Tony what's wrong? You're not you." 982 01:04:32,083 --> 01:04:38,249 Like to go from 80, 120 hours a week to none. 983 01:04:38,250 --> 01:04:42,332 And so for me personally that was a major rocking event. 984 01:04:42,333 --> 01:04:47,290 Then the next one disappointment for me is, you know, I started design devices 985 01:04:47,291 --> 01:04:50,958 and I started to try to mold General Magic technology 986 01:04:50,959 --> 01:04:54,624 into something that I thought was sellable. 987 01:04:54,625 --> 01:04:58,249 And so I created basically a whole product plan, and technology plan 988 01:04:58,250 --> 01:05:00,874 for what I thought was going to be a successful product. 989 01:05:00,875 --> 01:05:03,958 I go back to General Magic, I said, "Look I have a firmed up product plan, 990 01:05:03,959 --> 01:05:07,541 you need to mold your software to build this kind of device." And they just looked at me 991 01:05:07,542 --> 01:05:12,542 and said, "Sorry, we can't do that. We have other priorities." 992 01:05:15,333 --> 01:05:21,290 For General Magic, as I saw it, was, basically the end. 993 01:05:21,291 --> 01:05:25,457 They were defeated. That was the saddest part about that meeting, 994 01:05:25,458 --> 01:05:29,999 is that, and Andy in particular I think was the one who said, 995 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,416 "We're not gonna... we can't do this. We're not going to do it," and... 996 01:05:35,417 --> 01:05:37,709 they just didn't... They didn't have anything left. 997 01:05:40,750 --> 01:05:43,582 I am a particularly loyal person, so it was, it was 998 01:05:43,583 --> 01:05:45,541 very hard for me to leave General Magic. 999 01:05:45,542 --> 01:05:48,332 I was fully bought into what we were doing, uhm, 1000 01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:52,708 and I stayed perhaps even longer than maybe I ought to have, to try to help 1001 01:05:52,709 --> 01:05:55,207 change the direction, uhm, 1002 01:05:55,208 --> 01:05:59,083 but it was, it was beyond, uhm, saving, unfortunately. 1003 01:06:00,667 --> 01:06:03,749 It looked like a massive disaster, 1004 01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:06,332 a failure, a catastrophe. 1005 01:06:06,333 --> 01:06:09,833 It was a sense of rejection that penetrated right to your heart 1006 01:06:09,834 --> 01:06:13,208 and your gut, and I... I just felt sick. 1007 01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:36,499 It was, uh, devastating. For me it was, it was really devastating 1008 01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:41,040 and, uh, I thought immediately, "I have to take time off. 1009 01:06:41,041 --> 01:06:46,207 It's... it's going to be a long time before I start committing 1010 01:06:46,208 --> 01:06:52,750 to yet another blue sky, uh, proposition." 1011 01:06:54,417 --> 01:06:58,040 The vision that Marc, Bill and Andy had sold, 1012 01:06:58,041 --> 01:07:01,582 not just to the world, but to us, 1013 01:07:01,583 --> 01:07:05,165 that this was a cool, fun, 1014 01:07:05,166 --> 01:07:09,750 lovely thing to have, and that everybody would want one because we did. 1015 01:07:10,792 --> 01:07:12,250 And we were wrong. 1016 01:07:32,542 --> 01:07:37,624 I think the conceptual ideas were there, the user base was not there, 1017 01:07:37,625 --> 01:07:41,624 the technology was not there, the things to do on it were not there, 1018 01:07:41,625 --> 01:07:44,165 it's like inventing the television in the 1880's, you just couldn't. 1019 01:07:44,166 --> 01:07:47,624 Like it doesn't matter if you invented it because you didn't have shows, 1020 01:07:47,625 --> 01:07:49,791 you didn't have capabilities. 1021 01:07:49,792 --> 01:07:53,165 I think there was actually nothing General Magic could have done 1022 01:07:53,166 --> 01:07:56,874 to succeed, because they were at the wrong time. 1023 01:07:56,875 --> 01:08:02,332 The way I think about that, it's like a wave. If you start paddling too early 1024 01:08:02,333 --> 01:08:04,999 your arms will be tired by the time the wave arrives, 1025 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,916 and the wave will slide right under you and leave you behind. 1026 01:08:07,917 --> 01:08:11,791 That's sort of what happened with General Magic. They saw the wave before anyone else, 1027 01:08:11,792 --> 01:08:16,290 and they thought it was coming sooner and they got tired before it arrived. 1028 01:08:16,291 --> 01:08:18,875 Yeah, but they had all the right talent. 1029 01:08:21,333 --> 01:08:24,082 You can become so focused, and such a believer 1030 01:08:24,083 --> 01:08:28,666 in what you are doing that you can miss the change of context in an industry. 1031 01:08:28,667 --> 01:08:33,833 In this case, the World Wide Web and General Magic probably didn't pivot, 1032 01:08:33,834 --> 01:08:39,374 uh, fast enough to the post world after the Web, but I missed it as well. 1033 01:08:39,375 --> 01:08:41,916 I was getting increased pressure as a CEO of Apple, 1034 01:08:41,917 --> 01:08:46,499 by the Apple board, you know, why was I wasting Apple's time and money 1035 01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:50,165 on these post PC devices and not just focusing on the Macintosh. 1036 01:08:50,166 --> 01:08:52,834 The result? I eventually got fired by Apple. 1037 01:09:01,041 --> 01:09:05,708 I learned from failure how incredibly painful it can be when you fail publicly. 1038 01:09:05,709 --> 01:09:08,332 It wasn't just the little failures, but, you know, I had to fail 1039 01:09:08,333 --> 01:09:11,541 in front of the whole world when I was fired from Apple. 1040 01:09:11,542 --> 01:09:15,165 It really hurt me for a long, long time, and it wasn't 1041 01:09:15,166 --> 01:09:19,709 till about 15 years later that I could actually get my head around and deal with it. 1042 01:09:25,375 --> 01:09:28,374 But the stories of Silicon Valley are always the stories 1043 01:09:28,375 --> 01:09:32,290 of these incredibly successful companies, 1044 01:09:32,291 --> 01:09:35,541 and yet here is a company, General Magic, 1045 01:09:35,542 --> 01:09:39,958 that wasn't commercially successful and eventually went bankrupt, 1046 01:09:39,959 --> 01:09:44,582 and yet so much of what came out of General Magic 1047 01:09:44,583 --> 01:09:48,333 is the foundation of everything we take for granted today. 1048 01:09:59,667 --> 01:10:03,249 Failure doesn't... doesn't stop me as long as it's 1049 01:10:03,250 --> 01:10:06,582 on a path towards something really wonderful. 1050 01:10:06,583 --> 01:10:11,124 But with General Magic there was a certain deflation in me personally, 1051 01:10:11,125 --> 01:10:16,332 where I felt like, uh, "Will I be able to do this one more time? I'm not sure." 1052 01:10:16,333 --> 01:10:21,708 Because the potential was so phenomenal and you could see this is going to happen. 1053 01:10:21,709 --> 01:10:25,499 You know that this is going to happen, and you realize 1054 01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:28,541 you're not gonna be the one that makes it happen. 1055 01:10:28,542 --> 01:10:32,624 It's even more comprehensive than I remembered. 1056 01:10:32,625 --> 01:10:34,791 Yeah. 1057 01:10:34,792 --> 01:10:40,916 Now that I look at it, I think, what were we thinking? 1058 01:10:40,917 --> 01:10:43,541 We were trying to do all this? 1059 01:10:43,542 --> 01:10:45,624 And, you know... 1060 01:10:45,625 --> 01:10:49,207 And we thought we could push the industry, we could make them do it. 1061 01:10:49,208 --> 01:10:54,958 Mm... Not there, it wasn't there. 1062 01:11:09,917 --> 01:11:15,124 I'm old enough now to know that it's behind me, you know, it's... it's, uh... 1063 01:11:15,125 --> 01:11:17,749 To create technical revolution 1064 01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:22,290 is... is really a game for people in their, in their twenties. 1065 01:11:22,291 --> 01:11:26,500 The stamina, you're also not as contaminated by the past. 1066 01:11:36,542 --> 01:11:38,541 More than anything else it makes me feel old. 1067 01:11:38,542 --> 01:11:43,541 That, uh, stuff I... I worked on 1068 01:11:43,542 --> 01:11:48,083 or bought, you know, is... are... they are now museum pieces. 1069 01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:56,917 Yeah, so there is a General Magic device, the Sony Magic Link. 1070 01:12:00,959 --> 01:12:04,416 Now I have thought about it a lot, there is a whole litany of things, 1071 01:12:04,417 --> 01:12:06,708 uh, we should have done differently. 1072 01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:11,416 A lot of blunders that I'm personally responsible for. 1073 01:12:11,417 --> 01:12:15,374 It was completely possible to achieve the most ambitious 1074 01:12:15,375 --> 01:12:18,917 of our visions, uh, but in a staged fashion. 1075 01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:29,749 We sometimes need closure on things that are not closeable. 1076 01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:35,082 A peak experience, positive or negative happens, it's not easy to resolve. 1077 01:12:35,083 --> 01:12:41,624 In the moment we all do the best we can do in the moment, at that moment. 1078 01:12:41,625 --> 01:12:44,625 It's in retrospect that you see what the impact was. 1079 01:12:46,583 --> 01:12:50,458 I felt, a profound feeling of humiliation. 1080 01:12:53,250 --> 01:12:57,916 Shame that I had brought everyone along with such high anticipation 1081 01:12:57,917 --> 01:13:01,207 and then couldn't at the end, deliver it for them, 1082 01:13:01,208 --> 01:13:03,458 and for myself, and for them. 1083 01:13:08,792 --> 01:13:15,749 So I remember coming home one evening, so the kids were still up. 1084 01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:22,124 "Daddy." And daddy had given it all to perfect strangers. 1085 01:13:25,959 --> 01:13:31,541 And my wife said, "Don't come home like this." 1086 01:13:31,542 --> 01:13:33,499 Can you, Marc slide over to your right, 1087 01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:35,500 so you are not bracketing the plate. 1088 01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:40,958 "If you need to sit in your car, for hours 1089 01:13:40,959 --> 01:13:44,624 or for all night, don't come back. 1090 01:13:44,625 --> 01:13:48,499 Don't walk in the door if you're not a person, if you're not present, 1091 01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:51,667 because, you're not wanted." 1092 01:13:56,417 --> 01:13:59,708 And you know in... in... it collapsed, 1093 01:13:59,709 --> 01:14:06,624 it all came tumbling down, and the company didn't work, and my marriage didn't work, 1094 01:14:06,625 --> 01:14:09,083 in the same 12 month period, you know. 1095 01:14:10,792 --> 01:14:12,667 And it all fell apart. 1096 01:14:16,667 --> 01:14:17,291 Yeah. 1097 01:14:24,875 --> 01:14:27,666 Have you told your children about this? 1098 01:14:27,667 --> 01:14:30,582 Well I'm talking to them now, aren't I? 1099 01:14:30,583 --> 01:14:32,750 It's one of the reasons I agreed to make this film. 1100 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,958 Life is ebbs and flows, when a wave crashes on the shores 1101 01:14:43,959 --> 01:14:48,457 and the rocks hear, you don't think of the wave as having failed. 1102 01:14:48,458 --> 01:14:53,791 You think of the wave as having done its thing and the next wave will come and the next wave, 1103 01:14:53,792 --> 01:14:57,250 and that's how I think of General Magic. A moment in time. 1104 01:15:02,542 --> 01:15:07,290 It always amazed me, because I haven't seen Marc in many, many years, 1105 01:15:07,291 --> 01:15:11,332 you know, why there wasn't a second act. 1106 01:15:11,333 --> 01:15:15,040 Because here is an individual who was so good, 1107 01:15:15,041 --> 01:15:17,708 so exceptional at what he did well. 1108 01:15:17,709 --> 01:15:20,916 Brought together perhaps the best team 1109 01:15:20,917 --> 01:15:22,916 and the reality is, in my mind Marc never failed, 1110 01:15:22,917 --> 01:15:27,708 you know, because he actually did conceptualize 1111 01:15:27,709 --> 01:15:31,166 so many of the products that we have today. 1112 01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:41,999 It was a decade of failure in Silicon Valley for me. 1113 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,582 General Magic was a disaster, Phillips was a critical success, but a business disaster. 1114 01:15:47,583 --> 01:15:52,165 Then I had my start up and then, you know, during the start up times the Internet crunch 1115 01:15:52,166 --> 01:15:55,332 happened and I couldn't get any more funding and that was a disaster. 1116 01:15:55,333 --> 01:15:59,624 So it was a disaster after disaster from a business perspective. 1117 01:15:59,625 --> 01:16:03,791 But from a personal perspective it caused me to grow up each time, 1118 01:16:03,792 --> 01:16:08,416 and learn because I was faced with this real reality 1119 01:16:08,417 --> 01:16:13,958 of like, this isn't working and you better understand why and learn from it. 1120 01:16:13,959 --> 01:16:17,624 Because I had to go through that to be able to set my... to set the stage up 1121 01:16:17,625 --> 01:16:20,375 for what was to come in 2001 and beyond. 1122 01:16:35,083 --> 01:16:38,624 General Magic gave us a glimpse of what the future could be. 1123 01:16:38,625 --> 01:16:41,666 The technology unfortunately wasn't there at the time, 1124 01:16:41,667 --> 01:16:44,834 but those dreams, we kept dreaming. 1125 01:16:48,166 --> 01:16:53,040 Tony is very big on music and he would talk about music a lot and how, 1126 01:16:53,041 --> 01:16:56,999 how someday we were gonna have, you know, a little device 1127 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:03,708 with all our music on it and I'm like, "OK, why do I need that?" 1128 01:17:03,709 --> 01:17:06,874 I loved music growing up in Detroit, and I was always sick 1129 01:17:06,875 --> 01:17:10,124 and tired of lugging my CD's and all this other stuff around. 1130 01:17:10,125 --> 01:17:12,708 I wanted something where I could take it all the time. 1131 01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:16,541 MP3 showed up. I was like, music is coming. 1132 01:17:16,542 --> 01:17:22,082 Next thing I know I get a call, "We've looked at all the MP3 players, we think they are bad. 1133 01:17:22,083 --> 01:17:24,749 We think there is one that can be done in the Apple way." 1134 01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:29,416 And then Steve said, "Now we need you to come on the team to put it together." 1135 01:17:29,417 --> 01:17:32,040 And then I started calling all kinds of companies 1136 01:17:32,041 --> 01:17:35,249 all around the valley, around world. Trying to figure out displays 1137 01:17:35,250 --> 01:17:37,582 trying to figure out batteries, trying to figure out storage 1138 01:17:37,583 --> 01:17:41,040 and then Steve was able, and the team was able to build on top of those 1139 01:17:41,041 --> 01:17:44,874 and make it even better, and so we were like, it's happening. 1140 01:17:44,875 --> 01:17:46,999 Boom, that's iPod. I happen to have one right here 1141 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,040 in my pocket, as a matter of fact. There it is, right there. 1142 01:17:50,041 --> 01:17:53,833 The Magic lesson was, we have to ship it as fast as possible 1143 01:17:53,834 --> 01:17:57,082 so you could learn from the market and you can iterate quickly. 1144 01:17:57,083 --> 01:17:59,916 Every year we made sure we had a new version of the iPod. 1145 01:17:59,917 --> 01:18:02,290 And then we added downloadable apps, 1146 01:18:02,291 --> 01:18:05,874 games, email, communications, wireless. 1147 01:18:05,875 --> 01:18:09,541 We had these different pieces and I'm like this is starting to come together. 1148 01:18:09,542 --> 01:18:13,582 I remember this, and it was like I was back at General Magic 1149 01:18:13,583 --> 01:18:20,082 again in a way, because it's what we talked about, just 15 years later. 1150 01:18:20,083 --> 01:18:23,124 This is real, Steve goes, 1151 01:18:23,125 --> 01:18:26,917 "It's taking off, we need to put it on a cellphone." 1152 01:18:31,166 --> 01:18:35,291 Today Apple is going to reinvent the phone. 1153 01:18:36,792 --> 01:18:39,542 And here it is. This is one device. 1154 01:18:41,208 --> 01:18:46,040 This has been, at that point, 17 years in Silicon Valley, 1155 01:18:46,041 --> 01:18:48,791 and we were finally able to realize the dream we had 1156 01:18:48,792 --> 01:18:52,999 in 1991 on stage and Steve Jobs talking about it. 1157 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,249 We're going to use the best pointing device in the world. 1158 01:18:55,250 --> 01:18:58,249 We're going to use a pointing device that we are all born with, 1159 01:18:58,250 --> 01:19:01,916 we're born with ten of them, we are going to use our fingers. 1160 01:19:01,917 --> 01:19:06,833 So, let's go ahead and turn it on, alrighty. 1161 01:19:06,834 --> 01:19:11,207 I was proud to think that, "Yeah, my god, we did it." 1162 01:19:11,208 --> 01:19:15,958 Tony did it. Everything we wanted to do, there it is. 1163 01:19:15,959 --> 01:19:19,833 and on the other hand, I was sad that it wasn't us. 1164 01:19:19,834 --> 01:19:23,874 But I also felt vindicated in some way. 1165 01:19:23,875 --> 01:19:27,083 That the ideas had been right, the timing had been wrong. 1166 01:19:29,583 --> 01:19:33,749 Steve would often call me after like the big product introductions, 1167 01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:39,165 just to see what I thought. 4:00 p.m. I was in my office, I got a call from Steve. 1168 01:19:39,166 --> 01:19:41,332 He said, "What do you think, what do you think?" 1169 01:19:41,333 --> 01:19:45,999 And it was like the worst cell phone connection I've ever heard. 1170 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:51,332 You know it was all like, you could hear Steve, say: 1171 01:19:51,333 --> 01:19:56,124 So the first thing I ask him, I said, "Are you talking on an iPhone?" 1172 01:19:56,125 --> 01:19:59,207 He goes, "No, no, no." But I think he was. 1173 01:19:59,208 --> 01:20:02,833 Steve told me on the phone, he thought a lot about Magic Cap 1174 01:20:02,834 --> 01:20:05,374 during the course of the iPhone development, 1175 01:20:05,375 --> 01:20:10,040 and in particular mentioned the projected keyboard, he had seen that 1176 01:20:10,041 --> 01:20:12,791 and used it with Magic Cap and that gave him faith 1177 01:20:12,792 --> 01:20:15,874 that, that was the right direction to go. 1178 01:20:15,875 --> 01:20:18,124 - Hey Zarko. - Hi, Andy. 1179 01:20:18,125 --> 01:20:20,874 Hi, I'm in the middle of giving a demo of Magic Cap for cellphones. 1180 01:20:20,875 --> 01:20:23,332 It's really exciting, it's working great. 1181 01:20:23,333 --> 01:20:25,499 - You guys... You guys did a great job. - It's incredible. 1182 01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:28,374 Yeah, yeah it's almost like you are in the next room or something. 1183 01:20:28,375 --> 01:20:32,290 - Yeah, amazing. Bye. - Yeah, OK. 1184 01:20:32,291 --> 01:20:37,708 Had I thought that it would be done by Steve Jobs, 1185 01:20:37,709 --> 01:20:43,541 if I had known that then, I think I wouldn't have been as devastated. 1186 01:20:43,542 --> 01:20:48,165 Because then I would know that it would be done and it would be done right. 1187 01:20:48,166 --> 01:20:50,958 It was very gratifying, because it had come full circle, you know? 1188 01:20:50,959 --> 01:20:55,124 Started with the Mac, and had spawned General Magic. 1189 01:20:55,125 --> 01:21:00,582 General Magic progeny had spawned iPhone and Android. 1190 01:21:00,583 --> 01:21:03,165 I mean, we can't forget the Android. 1191 01:21:03,166 --> 01:21:05,582 Thank you for joining us today. You know Android 1192 01:21:05,583 --> 01:21:07,124 obviously, you know, being an open source project, 1193 01:21:07,125 --> 01:21:10,290 we consider ourselves the shepherd of it. 1194 01:21:10,291 --> 01:21:12,749 So you see the vision continues. 1195 01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:16,874 You know, if you look at Android, Andy Rubin droid, Andy was right there 1196 01:21:16,875 --> 01:21:21,082 with us and then he carried it to Android and he makes it to now where we are. 1197 01:21:21,083 --> 01:21:23,457 I mean, here's the test, what if General Magic 1198 01:21:23,458 --> 01:21:26,916 never happened, would we have had Android? 1199 01:21:26,917 --> 01:21:30,457 Not a chance, I mean all these things were linked together, one after another. 1200 01:21:30,458 --> 01:21:33,624 One out of every five people on the planet uses 1201 01:21:33,625 --> 01:21:36,916 an Android phone, uh, growing every month. 1202 01:21:36,917 --> 01:21:41,457 The vision was true, the vision was accurate, the vision is the idea 1203 01:21:41,458 --> 01:21:45,582 that basically got computing to the last hurdle. 1204 01:21:45,583 --> 01:21:47,708 The last hurdle was when computing got into 1205 01:21:47,709 --> 01:21:49,549 the palm of the hand of everybody in the world. 1206 01:21:51,208 --> 01:21:55,624 And between Tony and... and Andy, that's about 98% 1207 01:21:55,625 --> 01:22:01,040 of the world's smartphones, is those two guys who sat 15 feet apart. 1208 01:22:01,041 --> 01:22:04,708 That's pretty amazing, and that by itself is... 1209 01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:10,916 brings such satisfaction. It's, uh... I can't even describe it. 1210 01:22:10,917 --> 01:22:13,874 First obvious thing to mention is that we are not alone here today. 1211 01:22:13,875 --> 01:22:19,332 We are being filmed for posterity as part of our... our introduction video. 1212 01:22:19,333 --> 01:22:22,082 Who knows if any of this will really be in the video. 1213 01:22:22,083 --> 01:22:25,624 Imagine a star that went supernova 1214 01:22:25,625 --> 01:22:30,165 and everything that you touch today, 1215 01:22:30,166 --> 01:22:33,124 everything you interact with today technology wise 1216 01:22:33,125 --> 01:22:36,165 is because that star power touched it. 1217 01:22:36,166 --> 01:22:38,165 I mean, all these companies, and I don't know 1218 01:22:38,166 --> 01:22:41,040 if you add up the value of those what it would be, 1219 01:22:41,041 --> 01:22:44,332 but they all had their genesis with this crew 1220 01:22:44,333 --> 01:22:48,290 of just a few dozen people, who were at General Magic. 1221 01:22:48,291 --> 01:22:50,958 It was one of the only times I've ever felt like 1222 01:22:50,959 --> 01:22:53,249 there's no weak link in this chain, 1223 01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:54,749 everyone on this team, 1224 01:22:54,750 --> 01:22:57,749 uh, is brilliant, is so committed and passionate. 1225 01:22:57,750 --> 01:23:01,082 What's so rare is having all those things at the same time. 1226 01:23:01,083 --> 01:23:03,457 When you look at that class of people 1227 01:23:03,458 --> 01:23:08,124 and what the world looks like today, that was the training ground 1228 01:23:08,125 --> 01:23:12,499 for us, for what has shaped the world of today. 1229 01:23:12,500 --> 01:23:15,457 We all carry things from General Magic, in terms of our view 1230 01:23:15,458 --> 01:23:17,124 of what could be possible in the future. 1231 01:23:17,125 --> 01:23:20,082 And as engineers you can't help but think, 1232 01:23:20,083 --> 01:23:23,833 "There's... there's... Can we do this now? How about now?" 1233 01:23:23,834 --> 01:23:28,874 I am so, so excited to show you our work, and I'm wearing Apple Watch right here. 1234 01:23:28,875 --> 01:23:32,416 A lot of General Magic was imagining what the world would be like if some things existed 1235 01:23:32,417 --> 01:23:35,249 that maybe we would make, and that's so fun to do. 1236 01:23:35,250 --> 01:23:37,290 You can control both the eyes and the mouth to get just 1237 01:23:37,291 --> 01:23:39,833 the right expression you would like to send to somebody. 1238 01:23:39,834 --> 01:23:43,082 And that is so true in so many fields right now, you are able to actually 1239 01:23:43,083 --> 01:23:46,999 transform industries by your work in technology. 1240 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,125 When you look at someone like Megan taking all of her knowledge 1241 01:23:51,458 --> 01:23:53,124 and all the things she learned, 1242 01:23:53,125 --> 01:23:55,207 and now bringing it to the government and seeing 1243 01:23:55,208 --> 01:23:58,332 how the US Government is transforming through that. 1244 01:23:58,333 --> 01:24:02,416 Hello, everybody, how you doing? 1245 01:24:02,417 --> 01:24:04,833 - Good to see you, is this my seat right here? - Yes, it is. 1246 01:24:04,834 --> 01:24:08,624 President Obama had created the US Chief Technology Officer, which is my job 1247 01:24:08,625 --> 01:24:12,124 and our team and really said: "Come and help me using those new methods 1248 01:24:12,125 --> 01:24:15,833 on some of these harder problems, these problems that are in our civic space." 1249 01:24:15,834 --> 01:24:17,791 There is the future right here. 1250 01:24:17,792 --> 01:24:19,457 One of the things that I like to work on is 1251 01:24:19,458 --> 01:24:23,290 how to use technology to make people's lives better 1252 01:24:23,291 --> 01:24:26,082 and sort of harness talent and unlock talent. 1253 01:24:26,083 --> 01:24:30,791 I love thinking about, uh, how magic is anywhere. 1254 01:24:30,792 --> 01:24:35,082 Uh, in everyone, and how do you pull that out 1255 01:24:35,083 --> 01:24:40,792 and really make sure that the talent that wants to do its thing is able to do it. 1256 01:24:46,625 --> 01:24:49,708 You know, as the human race thrives really on this planet 1257 01:24:49,709 --> 01:24:53,958 it creates all kinds of problems, education, uniting people, climate change. 1258 01:24:53,959 --> 01:24:58,040 There is not enough water, there is not enough food. What are we going to do? 1259 01:24:58,041 --> 01:25:02,667 Those can all be solved with technologies, it's just a question how humanity uses it. 1260 01:25:05,041 --> 01:25:10,499 But, the reliance on technology for everything, for human interactions is worrisome. 1261 01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:13,624 Where people are, you know, you go to anything and everyone is like this, right. 1262 01:25:13,625 --> 01:25:17,165 Um, so I worry about what happens to society and children 1263 01:25:17,166 --> 01:25:19,667 and how they interact with each other. 1264 01:25:22,375 --> 01:25:25,207 You can't change the human race, yeah, but you can start 1265 01:25:25,208 --> 01:25:27,457 to educate them so that they change their behaviors. 1266 01:25:27,458 --> 01:25:30,582 And so the question is, can you take these powerful tools 1267 01:25:30,583 --> 01:25:34,207 and do something that really does help a lot of people? 1268 01:25:34,208 --> 01:25:37,374 Can you inspire a group of young people now, to really, 1269 01:25:37,375 --> 01:25:41,250 to be creative and come up with these new ideas? 1270 01:25:46,375 --> 01:25:50,332 Tonight, we feature an iconic inventor of iPod and iPhone, 1271 01:25:50,333 --> 01:25:52,541 I would like to bring up five numbers to introduce him. 1272 01:25:52,542 --> 01:25:55,666 Seven billion, two hundred and seventy nine million, 1273 01:25:55,667 --> 01:25:59,374 three hundred and ninety five thousand, eight hundred and seventy three. 1274 01:25:59,375 --> 01:26:03,207 This is the number of kilowatt hours saved by Nest Thermostat owners. 1275 01:26:03,208 --> 01:26:07,374 Eighteen, the number of generations of iPod's shipped. 1276 01:26:07,375 --> 01:26:10,541 Three hundred, the number of patents authored. 1277 01:26:10,542 --> 01:26:14,374 Three hundred and fifty million, the number of iPods sold. 1278 01:26:14,375 --> 01:26:18,749 Join me in welcoming the one and only Tony Fadell. 1279 01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:22,582 Hi, everybody. 1280 01:26:22,583 --> 01:26:27,040 Let's say, you show up now, you're a kid, you show up here in the Valley, 1281 01:26:27,041 --> 01:26:30,582 um, what would you tell someone similar to you who just walked in, 1282 01:26:30,583 --> 01:26:33,416 you know, wet behind the ears in Silicon Valley today? 1283 01:26:33,417 --> 01:26:38,416 You know I am only up here because of many people in this audience, 1284 01:26:38,417 --> 01:26:43,582 who helped me get here, and that's the magic of Silicon Valley. 1285 01:26:43,583 --> 01:26:47,249 We all started in the same place you are in today. 1286 01:26:47,250 --> 01:26:51,207 Everyone has the same self doubts and no one's perfect. 1287 01:26:51,208 --> 01:26:54,249 And when you meet your heroes and when you work with them 1288 01:26:54,250 --> 01:26:58,249 and they treat you as a peer, learn from it. 1289 01:26:58,250 --> 01:27:01,582 Keep moving. If you're dreaming the right dream, 1290 01:27:01,583 --> 01:27:04,708 you're on the right path. I've been there before, 1291 01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:06,458 it's tough, keep going. 1292 01:27:08,458 --> 01:27:11,458 These people helped me to become the person I am. 1293 01:27:15,625 --> 01:27:21,791 How can we take this same idea of bold dramatic change 1294 01:27:21,792 --> 01:27:23,916 to help create a better society? 1295 01:27:23,917 --> 01:27:26,207 We are going to have to invent those things 1296 01:27:26,208 --> 01:27:32,333 and do it in all of these other domains that are being touched or revolutionized by technology. 1297 01:27:36,291 --> 01:27:40,582 It may seem daunting, it may seem difficult, it may seem impossible, 1298 01:27:40,583 --> 01:27:44,082 but if you just find the right people and keep seeking out 1299 01:27:44,083 --> 01:27:48,374 knowledge and advice and keep staying open to make a better world 1300 01:27:48,375 --> 01:27:52,040 regardless of where you come from, great things can happen. 1301 01:27:52,041 --> 01:27:54,582 We judge things by the moment in which we feel 1302 01:27:54,583 --> 01:27:57,666 that they have made an impact on the mass culture. 1303 01:27:57,667 --> 01:28:01,290 They are in the anthropology, they are in the culture of how we see 1304 01:28:01,291 --> 01:28:04,290 ourselves, and how we come to expect the world to be 1305 01:28:04,291 --> 01:28:07,624 and I don't think that will happen for another ten years. 1306 01:28:07,625 --> 01:28:09,999 I think we will build to it incrementally and every quarter 1307 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,082 and every year it will get closer and closer, 1308 01:28:12,083 --> 01:28:14,874 but I don't think it will be until the 21st century when the stuff 1309 01:28:14,875 --> 01:28:18,541 we are working on today becomes unexceptional, unexceptional. 1310 01:28:18,542 --> 01:28:21,791 Not worth making a video about, and, and that's the test... 1311 01:28:21,792 --> 01:28:25,582 Except for historical documentary purposes. 1312 01:28:25,583 --> 01:28:29,708 And, and that's the test of, uh, of hey, we've made it. 1313 01:28:29,709 --> 01:28:30,791 We've really made a difference. 1314 01:28:30,792 --> 01:28:32,541 We've really changed the world.