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[birds chirping]

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[water running]

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[man on tape]
<i>The state of West Virginia,</i>

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<i>issued the DuPont company</i>
<i>a permit,</i>

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<i>for them to run</i>
<i>their contaminated waste water,</i>

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<i>down through two farms here,</i>
<i>out into this stream of water.</i>

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[camera flashes]

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<i>This is, uh,</i>
<i>151 of these animals,</i>

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<i>that died on this farm up here,</i>
<i>since this stuff's been</i>
<i>coming down through this water.</i>

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<i>And they wanna try</i>
<i>and keep everything hushed up.</i>

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<i>Like it is some kind of big</i>
<i>secret of some kind, that</i>
<i>they're dumping it in here.</i>

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<i>They won't tell us what it is.</i>

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<i>They don't wanna talk to me.</i>

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<i>Because I'm just</i>
<i>an old dumb farmer,</i>

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<i>I'm not supposed</i>
<i>to know anything.</i>

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<i>But it's not gonna</i>
<i>be covered up,</i>

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<i>because I'm gonna bring it out</i>
<i>in the open for people to see.</i>

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[man] <i>American production has</i>
<i>become the most efficient</i>
<i>in the world.</i>

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<i>And as a result,</i>
<i>all factories</i>
<i>and industrial plants</i>

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<i>are turning out an ever</i>
<i>increasing amount of goods.</i>

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<i>Things that people</i>
<i>want and need.</i>

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<i>DuPont research chemists</i>
<i>developed a new and unique</i>
<i>white substance.</i>

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<i>The result is the greatest</i>
<i>advance in cookware.</i>

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DuPont Teflon.

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There are two different types
of fry pans.

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<i>This non-stick finish</i>
<i>for cookware</i>
<i>never needs scouring.</i>

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<i>All kinds of burnt foods</i>
<i>come out quickly and easily.</i>

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[man]<i> Corn muffins</i>
<i>don't stick to Teflon.</i>

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[eggs sizzling]

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<i>Fudge cakes</i>
<i>don't stick to Teflon.</i>

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<i>Even sticky buns don't stick</i>
<i>to Teflon.</i>

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<i>Almost nothing sticks to it.</i>

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DuPont Teflon saves me
lots of dirty work.

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It's so easy to clean.

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This seal means DuPont
has approved finish,

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there is no stick
and it's easy to clean.

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[man 1]<i> So look</i>
<i>for the Teflon DuPont seal.</i>

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-[man 2] <i>Look for the seal.</i>
<i>-</i>[woman]<i> Look for the seal.</i>

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[man 3] <i>Look for this sticker.</i>

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[man] <i>Well, it sounds</i>
<i>great but is it really safe</i>
<i>to cook in?</i>

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[Sue Bailey] I was working.

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And I had made an
arrangement for you guys
to get your picture taken.

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-[Bucky] This one...
This one right here?
-[Sue] Mmm-hmm.

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[Bucky] I always tell
with this picture. It just...

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[laughing]

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[Bucky] I just look at this
and I just...

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This is
William Bailey III, Buck.

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You were six years old.
You went to
Jeb Stuart Middle school.

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In kindergarten, '86 and '87.

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I just... I don't know,
I feel so bad for that kid.

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Yeah, not because of anything
you... Just because...

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The times were hard,
I knew you guys were
working as hard as you could.

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And I'm wearing
a velvet green shirt, you know?

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Uh, I just remember,
it was my first year of school.

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That I actually
went to school
with kids.

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-And I stood out.
-Yeah.

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That was when you were
first born.

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How long do they wait
to take pictures?!

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I'm sure they wanted to get
that one taken right away
because--

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There was chance
that I might not make it.

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That's what they said.

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[Sue] <i>When Bucky was born,</i>
<i>I went into shock.</i>

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<i>He was born with half of</i>
<i>a nose, one nostril,</i>

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<i>a serrated eyelid,</i>

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<i>and a keyhole pupil</i>
<i>where the iris</i>
<i>and retina is not connected.</i>

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<i>You could tell</i>
<i>he was in distress,</i>

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<i>because he couldn't</i>
<i>breathe really well.</i>

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<i>I was scared to death</i>
<i>to hold that baby. </i>

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<i>I was scared he was</i>
<i>gonna die in my arms.</i>

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Your dad didn't stay with me
that night,
I didn't want him to.

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We just, each one of us
wanted to be just alone
with our thoughts.

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You know.

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And he, you know...
He didn't know whether
to go with you...

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[crying] Or stay with me.

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<i>When I was</i>
<i>pregnant with Bucky, </i>

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<i>I worked for</i>
<i>DuPont around Teflon.</i>

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<i>They tried to blame me,</i>
<i>they said it was something</i>
<i>that I did.</i>

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<i>And the more they would</i>
<i>tell me that,</i>
<i>the more suspicious I got.</i>

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<i>But I didn't know what</i>
<i>I'd been exposed to.</i>

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<i>And the first day that</i>
<i>I went back to work,</i>

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<i>someone in our locker room</i>
<i>said a girl that worked there,</i>

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<i>had a baby</i>
<i>that had deformities.</i>

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<i>We got to talking about it.</i>

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It was just like Bucky.

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<i>She worked around Teflon too.</i>

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[car engine starting]

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<i>♪ May the good Lord</i>
<i>bless and keep you ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Whether near or far away ♪</i>

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Those traditional ones.

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I like that song.

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My dad used
to sing to my mom.

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She'd get about
half t'd off at him.

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He'd had a little beer.

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<i>♪ You are my sunshine ♪</i>

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<i>♪ My only sunshine ♪</i>

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He could make her cry.

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<i>I'm from Parkersburg,</i>
<i>West Virginia.</i>

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<i>Been here all my life.</i>

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<i>I ended up getting married,</i>
<i>having children and settling</i>
<i>down in this area.</i>

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<i>I started with DuPont, 1962.</i>

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<i>And I was there</i>
<i>almost 40 years.</i>

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<i>In Teflon land.</i>

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[door opens]

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<i>First time I heard</i>
<i>that Teflon might be dangerous,</i>

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<i>I was told by a supervisor.</i>

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We feared that it might be
detrimental to the women
who are pregnant.

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So we sent all the women
home but it won't
hurt the men.

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That's the first time I...
And I questioned him.

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<i>I said, "It won't</i>
<i>hurt the men?"</i>

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<i>He said, "Oh, no, Ken,</i>
<i>don't worry about it."</i>
<i>As far as we know.</i>

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Can I have another bottle
of that B12?

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It's one of those.

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-Yeah, we have the 50.
-This will do it.

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You didn't have Colostrum,
do you?

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-You didn't have that day.
-[man] Yes, we do.

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That's the thing...
When I was going through
the cancer real bad,

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I started taking Colostrum.

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And it helped me get
through all the surgeries,
and all...

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I couldn't hardly get out
the chair, I was so weak.

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[Sue] Well, <i>when they removed</i>
<i>the women from Teflon</i>
<i>it was a big shock to me.</i>

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<i>They just don't do that.</i>

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<i>I knew right then</i>
<i>it was a big cover up.</i>

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<i>And see, all that time</i>
<i>when I was pregnant,</i>

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<i>I was in direct contact</i>
<i>with the chemicals.</i>

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<i>I did tell 'em,</i>
<i>I told 'em</i>
<i>right to their face.</i>

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I said, "I know you're
responsible for it.

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And you've lied",
and they're still lying.

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<i>But I knew I couldn't quit</i>
<i>because I needed</i>
<i>the insurance.</i>

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<i>Bucky needed help right then.</i>

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[Bucky] <i>The first surgery</i>
<i>I had, they...</i>
<i>They had on my eye.</i>

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00:10:07,648 --> 00:10:11,193
<i>From the time I was</i>
<i>a few months old</i>
<i>to five years old,</i>

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<i>I probably had</i>
<i>about 30 surgeries.</i>

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<i>Initially, I accepted it</i>
<i>and I just thought I was</i>
<i>dealt a bad hand.</i>

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I mean, I cared
about what I looked like,
obviously,

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I looked in the mirror
every single day.

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So there were things I cared
about my appearance.

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<i>But my parents were pretty...</i>
<i>They wanted me to be cool</i>
<i>with who I was.</i>

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[Sue] <i>Back off</i>
<i>of you little bit.</i>

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<i>And here's a handsome</i>
<i>looking guy.</i>

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[chuckles]

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<i>-Be 13, January the 15th.</i>
<i>-January the 15th.</i>

142
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<i>Thirteen years old.</i>

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[Bucky]<i> I remember</i>
<i>walking into seventh grade</i>
<i>for the first day of school,</i>

144
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<i>and every person</i>
<i>just looking at me.</i>

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I was like, "This is awesome...
This is great, yeah."

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[Sue] <i>Bucky's playing</i>
<i>with the video game.</i>

147
00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:08,459
<i>And then going through</i>
<i>the next phase of surgery</i>
<i>where I had</i>

148
00:11:08,793 --> 00:11:10,836
a balloon implanted into
my forehead,

149
00:11:10,961 --> 00:11:12,797
and they would fill that up
with saline
to stretch the skin.

150
00:11:14,131 --> 00:11:17,468
<i>Which they would bring</i>
<i>down and you know,</i>
<i>use for my nose.</i>

151
00:11:18,552 --> 00:11:21,222
<i>There is no pain that</i>
<i>I've ever gone through</i>
<i>that was greater than that.</i>

152
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<i>I mean, migraine</i>
<i>times a thousand.</i>

153
00:11:26,018 --> 00:11:29,814
<i>To go home and to have</i>
<i>that pain and for my dad</i>
<i>to walk in and say,</i>

154
00:11:29,939 --> 00:11:32,358
<i>"Hey, get up,</i>
<i>put your hat on,</i>
<i>we're going out."</i>

155
00:11:34,068 --> 00:11:37,113
And I'm like, "I'm not going
out, Dad, I just got out
of the hospital.

156
00:11:37,363 --> 00:11:40,282
You know, I'm not leaving,
look at me, Dad."

157
00:11:40,658 --> 00:11:41,951
He's like, "You look fine."

158
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He's like, "Look we're gonna
go out."

159
00:11:44,703 --> 00:11:48,416
<i>He's like, "You know,</i>
<i>the shoes you wanted,</i>
<i>those Airwalks you wanted?"</i>

160
00:11:49,125 --> 00:11:51,085
<i>He's like, "Let's go...</i>
<i>Let's go pick out a pair."</i>

161
00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:54,880
And you know just...

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00:11:58,175 --> 00:12:01,929
[crying] Just thinking
about how he never gave up.

163
00:12:02,012 --> 00:12:03,848
You know, he always
pushed me.

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00:12:09,812 --> 00:12:11,814
[man] Easy, easy.

165
00:12:14,942 --> 00:12:16,610
[Bucky] <i>He never</i>
<i>wanted me to sulk.</i>

166
00:12:17,611 --> 00:12:19,321
<i>I'm cool.</i>

167
00:12:20,656 --> 00:12:23,451
<i>He never wanted me</i>
<i>to be down on who I was.</i>

168
00:12:23,534 --> 00:12:25,202
<i>And my mom was the same way.</i>

169
00:12:25,286 --> 00:12:28,414
<i>They never let me just</i>
<i>be affected by it.</i>

170
00:12:29,832 --> 00:12:31,250
<i>They were always leading</i>
<i>me through it.</i>

171
00:12:35,713 --> 00:12:39,967
<i>You know, it really didn't bug</i>
<i>me too much</i>
<i>growing up as a kid.</i>

172
00:12:42,344 --> 00:12:46,432
<i>I was just worried about</i>
<i>you know, making it</i>
<i>through the next day in school.</i>

173
00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:52,855
<i>But it was kind of coming</i>
<i>to a point when I was 18-19.</i>

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00:12:54,732 --> 00:12:58,152
<i>I stopped thinking</i>
<i>about how I had been</i>
<i>dealt a bad hand,</i>

175
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<i>and that was just</i>
<i>my lot in life.</i>

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Just thinking about,
"I need an answer."

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00:13:03,866 --> 00:13:05,951
You know, "I need to know
what's going on,

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00:13:06,035 --> 00:13:07,495
I need to know
why this happened."

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00:13:16,754 --> 00:13:18,547
<i>I want you to notice</i>
<i>his height.</i>

180
00:13:20,758 --> 00:13:22,801
<i>I want you to notice what his</i>
<i>eyes look like.</i>

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00:13:25,846 --> 00:13:26,931
<i>They're born that way.</i>

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00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:33,687
<i>Now, I never saw nothing</i>
<i>like this in my life.</i>

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00:13:35,606 --> 00:13:36,941
<i>It's very unusual.</i>

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Wilbur Tennant was a farmer
who sold part of his land
to DuPont.

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<i>The piece that DuPont had</i>
<i>was adjacent to his property</i>
<i>that he continued to own.</i>

186
00:14:00,464 --> 00:14:03,425
<i>In their negotiations around</i>
<i>this, they said,</i>

187
00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:07,096
<i>that they were</i>
<i>gonna use his land</i>
<i>for non-hazardous waste.</i>

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00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,766
But very quickly he noticed
changes in the water.

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[Wilbur] <i>This is what</i>
<i>I've been talking about.</i>

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00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:17,731
<i>We haven't had any rain</i>
<i>for several days.</i>

191
00:14:19,108 --> 00:14:21,277
<i>This sud has been here</i>
<i>for a while.</i>

192
00:14:23,612 --> 00:14:26,866
[Lerner] <i>And he noticed</i>
<i>that little things,</i>
<i>little fish began to die.</i>

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00:14:27,324 --> 00:14:29,243
<i>And he began to find</i>
<i>dead animals.</i>

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[Wilbur]<i> I've taken dead deer</i>
<i>and dead cattle</i>
<i>off this river right here.</i>

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<i>And every veterinarian</i>
<i>that I've called</i>

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<i>will not return</i>
<i>my phone calls or they don't</i>
<i>want to get involved.</i>

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[indistinct chatter]

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[Mike Papantanio]
<i>We are now on the record</i>
<i>and our time is 9:01 am.</i>

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Our opponent today
is Bernard J. Reilly.

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Our court reporter
is Michelle Grey,
who will now swear in.

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[Michelle] Can you please raise
you right hand and swear
the testimony you are about

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to give is the whole truth
and nothing but the truth
so help you God?

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Yes, I do.

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[Papantonio]
<i>Let's look at LP-2.</i>

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[Reilly] <i>Yeah,</i>
<i>this is to Tom Adams.</i>

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[Papantonio] <i>Who's Tom Adams?</i>

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-<i>He's an old friend</i>
<i>I met in the army.</i>
-[Papantonio] <i>Mmm-hmm.</i>

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Okay, so let's
go ahead and read.

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"The shit is about to hit
the fan in West Virginia."

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Go ahead why don't you read
it because you wrote it.

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Sure.

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"The shit is about to hit
the fan in West Virginia, WV,

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the lawyer for the farmer
finally realizes
the surfactant issue.

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He is threatening to go to
the press to embarrass us
to pressure for big bucks."

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You want me to read
the bad word?

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[Papantonio] Yeah, it says,
"Fuck him."

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That's what it says.

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I apologize to anybody
that's sensitive
about bad words.

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Well, you wrote it.

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-I was writing
to an old army friend.
-Right.

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Every case, in a complex case,
there's several parts to it.

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One part is the work up.

223
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<i>That means finding</i>
<i>the documents.</i>

224
00:16:07,216 --> 00:16:11,971
<i>It means trying to take</i>
<i>some basic depositions</i>
<i>to find out who did what.</i>

225
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<i>Why did they do certain things?</i>
<i>How did they do certain things?</i>

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<i>That's called</i>
<i>the discovery process.</i>

227
00:16:22,564 --> 00:16:24,566
<i>The documents in this case...</i>

228
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<i>They really tell the story</i>
<i>about what the company knew.</i>

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Isn't it a good thing
the company kept this?

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'Cause we can go back
and look at history.
It is a good thing,

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that they kept these documents,
isn't it?

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You are saying
its a good thing?

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Mr. Papantonio, you can
frame that any way you want.

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<i>The back story of this</i>
<i>case is interesting.</i>

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<i>It started with a lawyer</i>
<i>named Rob Bilott,</i>

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<i>he's a corporate defense</i>
<i>lawyer by trade.</i>

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And so this corporate defense
lawyer gets this case
and he starts looking at it.

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[Bilott] <i>When we got</i>
<i>into the litigation</i>
<i>with DuPont,</i>

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<i>we got access to a lot of the</i>
<i>internal documents.</i>

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<i>And we found out that DuPont</i>
<i>and another company called 3M</i>
<i>had been studying this chemical</i>

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dating back to the 1950s
and 1960s.

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[Papantonio] Dr Karrh you're
being handed exhibit 30.

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I ask you to take a look
at that and tell me if you
can identify this document.

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[Karrh] Yes, I can.

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[reading document]

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[Papantonio] <i>The heart</i>
<i>of the case is, this</i>
<i>plant in West Virginia,</i>

247
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they make Teflon,
they make Teflon that is used
for all types of sources.

248
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<i>C-8 is one of the elements</i>
<i>they need to make Teflon.</i>

249
00:17:55,115 --> 00:18:01,205
PFOS, PFOA, C-8,
these are all names for this
group of miracle chemicals,

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<i>that came out of primarily</i>
<i>3M, initially,</i>
<i>and out of DuPont.</i>

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[Glenn Evers]
<i>I started at DuPont, 1981.</i>

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Most of my career
was spent in the new product
development end.

253
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<i>Teflon is a very generic term.</i>

254
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<i>The active ingredient</i>
<i>in it is Fluorine.</i>

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<i>You hear the word</i>
<i>F in that right?</i>

256
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<i>PFOA, PFOS, anything with</i>
<i>the F in it.</i>

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It is something you want
to be very weary of.

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These chemicals have
these wondrous properties.

259
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<i>Non-stick, oil repellent.</i>
<i>Water repellent.</i>

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[Papantonio] How do you recall
C-8 first coming
to your attention?

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The first recollection
I have of it is when

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the supplier of the chemical,
the 3M company,

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provided DuPont with some
information about rats

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<i>that had been subjected</i>
<i>to exposure of the chemical.</i>

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[Papantonio]
3M had some test data,

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<i>indicating potential birth</i>
<i>defects here,</i>
<i>in the eyes of rat fetuses,</i>

267
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<i>following exposure</i>
<i>to C-8, correct?</i>

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<i>That's correct.</i>

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So you did see?
There was a substantial risk,

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to the women at the DuPont
plant who were exposed to C-8.

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Enough to remove them
from further exposure, correct?

272
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No. No. No.

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There was no potential
risk to the women.

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Based on the 3M study
there was potential risk
to the fetus.

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[Reilly]
"<i>Parker has brought WV</i>
<i>another long meeting</i>

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<i>to describe to the plant folks</i>
<i>where the guy who is</i>

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<i>suing us over his cattle</i>
<i>grazing downstream,</i>

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<i>of our landfill</i>
<i>would crucify us</i>
<i>before a jury.</i>

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<i>Most simply do not believe</i>
<i>how big and bad</i>
<i>we would look,</i>

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<i>and how sympathetic</i>
<i>a farmer would look</i>
<i>before a jury,</i>

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<i>even though he is a con man."</i>

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[Papantonio]
<i>You calling Mr. Tennant</i>
<i>a con man?</i>

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<i>This is a letter to my son</i>
<i>I can tell you.</i>

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But are you calling
him a con man?

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To his face.

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<i>And when you called him</i>
<i>a con man, did you know how</i>
<i>many of his cattle had died?</i>

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<i>The short answer is</i>
<i>I did not know how many</i>
<i>of his cattle had died.</i>

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[Lerner] <i>Within</i>
<i>a couple of years</i>
<i>his entire herd died.</i>

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<i>For Tennant,</i>
<i>it was his livelihood.</i>

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<i>"Advantages of settling."</i>
<i>Do you see that?</i>

291
00:20:30,979 --> 00:20:32,022
[Kathleen Forte] <i>Yes.</i>

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"It says C-8,
in the stream,
we never told them."

293
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Right? See that?

294
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That's what it says.

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[man] When did you first
become involved with
APFO or C-8?

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I was first aware of it
prior to 1977.

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Knowing that...

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Perfluorinated materials
had been found in human blood.

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[Cook] <i>At first,</i>
<i>3M and DuPont</i>
<i>were checking to see</i>

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<i>the contamination levels</i>
<i>of their workers.</i>

301
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<i>And so naturally they needed</i>
<i>a control.</i>

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They needed to compare those
workers blood levels of C-8
with the population.

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So they could see what
the difference was.

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<i>So they started going</i>
<i>to archived bloody supplies,</i>

305
00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:52,769
<i>and checking to see</i>
<i>what clean blood </i>

306
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<i>versus the blood</i>
<i>of their workers</i>
<i>might look like.</i>

307
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There was no clean blood.

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<i>They tested kids,</i>
<i>they tested adults,</i>
<i>they went to Asia.</i>

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<i>They went all over the world</i>
<i>and everywhere</i>
<i>they looked practically,</i>

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<i>they found their chemicals</i>
<i>in people's blood.</i>

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<i>Eventually,</i>
<i>they did find some</i>
<i>clean blood.</i>

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It turned out it was the blood
that had been taken,

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from army recruits
and archived, saved,
at the start of the Korean War.

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<i>That blood was clean</i>
<i>because the Teflon chemicals </i>

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weren't out into
the environment at that point.

316
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<i>The main sources of exposure</i>
<i>are still something</i>
<i>of a mystery.</i>

317
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<i>The likely culprits though</i>
<i>are industrial waste,</i>

318
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<i>and the consumer products</i>
<i>that shed this</i>
<i>material over time.</i>

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<i>Today, every baby</i>
<i>probably on the planet, </i>

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00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:04,841
<i>but certainly</i>
<i>in the developed world,</i>

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<i>where all of these chemicals</i>
<i>are widely used,</i>

322
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:11,723
<i>every baby is born with</i>
<i>at least some level,</i>

323
00:23:11,807 --> 00:23:16,394
<i>of C-8, of PFOS and PFOA</i>
<i>in their blood.</i>

324
00:23:17,646 --> 00:23:21,233
<i>That's the essence of exposure,</i>
<i>lifelong exposure.</i>

325
00:23:22,692 --> 00:23:23,985
<i>And it's involuntary.</i>

326
00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:27,906
No one said,
"Hey, you know, I'm good
with a little Teflon chemical

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in my baby's blood.

328
00:23:29,658 --> 00:23:30,992
No one said that.

329
00:23:31,076 --> 00:23:32,744
They said, "I love these pans."

330
00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:38,416
[sizzling]

331
00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:43,547
<i>We think of these chemicals</i>
<i>as associated with 3M</i>
<i>and DuPont,</i>

332
00:23:44,172 --> 00:23:46,424
but they had also sold
them to other companies,

333
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<i>that manufactured</i>
<i>consumer products,</i>
<i>manufacturing products.</i>

334
00:23:50,887 --> 00:23:54,641
<i>It was used in airplanes</i>
<i>and cars, on and on</i>
<i>the applications were endless.</i>

335
00:23:56,309 --> 00:23:59,104
[female tv reporter] <i>Workers</i>
<i>are now using Teflon</i>
<i>to rust proof the inside</i>

336
00:23:59,187 --> 00:24:00,313
<i>of The Statue of Liberty.</i>

337
00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:05,569
I found that these chemical
products could bond
paper products to make

338
00:24:05,735 --> 00:24:08,697
<i>food wraps, grease proof wraps,</i>
<i>cookie bags.</i>

339
00:24:09,948 --> 00:24:13,660
One of the largest companies
had patents for making
popcorn bags.

340
00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:18,707
[Cook] <i>Thousands of facilities,</i>
<i>including the furniture</i>
<i>store down the street,</i>

341
00:24:18,790 --> 00:24:22,627
<i>that sprayed a non-stick</i>
<i>chemical on your couch</i>
<i>to keep stains off,</i>

342
00:24:23,753 --> 00:24:26,882
all of those places
became environmental
contamination sites.

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00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:31,636
[woman] <i>And today a product</i>
<i>that you'll find</i>

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00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,471
Teflon is in
clothing and things.

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00:24:33,722 --> 00:24:35,974
Gore-Tex is the brand name...

346
00:24:36,057 --> 00:24:39,603
And then you realize
that companies in Asia
and in Europe,

347
00:24:39,686 --> 00:24:42,480
<i>were starting to make</i>
<i>these chemicals as well.</i>

348
00:24:43,523 --> 00:24:45,442
[speaking German]
[speaking japanese]

349
00:24:47,694 --> 00:24:49,779
This crisis has been growing
for decades.

350
00:24:49,863 --> 00:24:54,159
And I think
with a chemical that is
potentially biopersistent

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00:24:54,242 --> 00:24:57,245
you pay particularly
close attention to it.

352
00:24:57,746 --> 00:25:01,791
Bioaccumulation,
biopersistence,
those are fancy words for it.

353
00:25:02,542 --> 00:25:04,211
[man] What do you mean
by biopersistent?

354
00:25:05,337 --> 00:25:06,630
When you die
and they bury you,

355
00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:08,798
you're gonna have it
in your blood.

356
00:25:09,382 --> 00:25:11,468
C-8 seem to have
half-life of humans.

357
00:25:12,761 --> 00:25:14,387
[Cook] <i>Sunlight doesn't</i>
<i>break them down, </i>

358
00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:16,097
<i>microbes don't break</i>
<i>them down.</i>

359
00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:19,726
Heat doesn't break
them down,
nothing breaks them down.

360
00:25:19,935 --> 00:25:23,438
<i>They call this Fluorine</i>
<i>chemical, "The Devil's piss."</i>

361
00:25:23,521 --> 00:25:24,564
It was so potent.

362
00:25:26,233 --> 00:25:30,111
Once it gets into your system,
it remains in your blood.

363
00:25:30,612 --> 00:25:33,823
<i>My gut tells me</i>
<i>the biopersistence issue</i>
<i>will kill us.</i>

364
00:25:34,532 --> 00:25:37,035
<i>Because of an overwhelming</i>
<i>public attitude</i>

365
00:25:37,118 --> 00:25:40,372
<i>that anything that is</i>
<i>biopersistent is harmful.</i>

366
00:25:41,289 --> 00:25:44,292
[Cook] <i>And so naturally,</i>
<i>these Teflon</i>
<i>and Scotchgard chemicals</i>

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00:25:44,459 --> 00:25:45,835
permeated the living world.

368
00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:04,062
We didn't know it at the time,
but the evidence showed
that 3M and DuPont...

369
00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:07,857
<i>They knew all about it.</i>

370
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,125
[whistle blows]

371
00:26:26,459 --> 00:26:28,545
[Joe Kiger] Wow!
What a lovely bunch
of coconuts, okay.

372
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,717
Stay on the gym floor,
the boundary
of the gym floor.

373
00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,344
Ready? Go!

374
00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:38,346
[kids shouting]

375
00:26:40,974 --> 00:26:42,767
Oh, no!

376
00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:46,813
[laughs] Gotcha!

377
00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:52,235
[exclaims] What did you do boy?

378
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:56,865
Bye, bye, bye.
Whoa, hey!

379
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:59,326
Good job, good job, good job.

380
00:26:59,743 --> 00:27:02,454
Yahoo! Thank you!

381
00:27:03,872 --> 00:27:04,956
[kid] Bye!

382
00:27:08,043 --> 00:27:10,920
[Joe] <i>I love kids.</i>
<i>Of course I'm a school teacher,</i>
<i>you know.</i>

383
00:27:13,423 --> 00:27:15,925
<i>And that's the thing</i>
<i>that drove me</i>
<i>more than anything.</i>

384
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:19,846
You know, I don't consider
myself a whistleblower,

385
00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:21,681
more or less a fact finder.

386
00:27:28,396 --> 00:27:31,358
Joe has a courtyard out back,
he calls it his man-cave.

387
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,443
And we were out there
just talking on a normal day.

388
00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:38,323
<i>I know it was October.</i>

389
00:27:41,201 --> 00:27:43,078
<i>I had gone</i>
<i>to the mailbox that afternoon,</i>

390
00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:45,705
<i>and I saw this envelope.</i>

391
00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:50,418
<i>And it was from Lubeck</i>
<i>public water department.</i>

392
00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:54,631
<i>I opened it and there was</i>
<i>a letter in with my water bill,</i>

393
00:27:54,714 --> 00:27:58,927
<i>stating that DuPont needed</i>
<i>to know if I asked if there</i>
<i>was a chemical in our water.</i>

394
00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:00,178
<i>They called it C-8.</i>

395
00:28:00,970 --> 00:28:02,180
I thought, "What's this about?"

396
00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:09,479
[Joe] <i>I read it.</i>

397
00:28:10,939 --> 00:28:12,774
<i>I really didn't give it</i>
<i>much thought.</i>

398
00:28:15,693 --> 00:28:18,405
<i>DuPont says</i>
<i>according to their standards</i>
<i>it's healthy.</i>

399
00:28:18,613 --> 00:28:19,656
<i>Hey, okay.</i>

400
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,618
<i>DuPont says</i>
<i>its safe, it's safe.</i>
<i>Why question it?</i>

401
00:28:33,628 --> 00:28:36,673
[Ken] <i>I was testing C-8</i>
<i>as soon as I started in my lab,</i>
<i>more or less.</i>

402
00:28:37,882 --> 00:28:39,008
<i>From the get-go.</i>

403
00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:41,261
They always picked on me
for new jobs. [chuckles]

404
00:28:41,344 --> 00:28:43,096
They'd always give 'em to me
'cause they knew I'd do it.

405
00:28:43,513 --> 00:28:44,514
I'd learn it.

406
00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:50,437
Where I was at,
I was isolated.

407
00:28:51,146 --> 00:28:52,439
<i>I mean, it was a big room...</i>

408
00:28:54,023 --> 00:28:56,985
<i>With huge cylinders,</i>
<i>that were full of C-8,</i>

409
00:28:57,610 --> 00:28:58,778
<i>and they would bubble over.</i>

410
00:29:00,363 --> 00:29:03,324
You can think of it
like a bubble bath
out of control.

411
00:29:04,033 --> 00:29:05,827
<i>That's the best way</i>
<i>of describing it.</i>

412
00:29:06,828 --> 00:29:08,830
[Sue]<i> After they made</i>
<i>the Teflon,</i>

413
00:29:08,913 --> 00:29:11,541
<i>it had water that was</i>
<i>discharged from it.</i>

414
00:29:13,168 --> 00:29:15,754
<i>My job was to pump</i>
<i>it out back.</i>

415
00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,340
<i>So it would go</i>
<i>directly to the river.</i>

416
00:29:22,302 --> 00:29:25,096
[Papantonio]
<i>As C-8 was being</i>
<i>used at that DuPont plant,</i>

417
00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:30,685
3M told DuPont that under
no circumstances should
you put it in waterways.

418
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:32,020
It's right there
in the documents.

419
00:29:32,353 --> 00:29:33,855
Don't put this
in the waterways.

420
00:29:35,523 --> 00:29:38,610
<i>But at the end of the day,</i>
<i>they start dumping</i>
<i>so much C-8 into the water,</i>

421
00:29:39,569 --> 00:29:41,613
that they, at one point,
lose track

422
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,615
of how much they've
actually put out there.

423
00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:50,246
[Lerner] <i>DuPont wanted</i>
<i>to figure out how far it had</i>
<i>seeped beyond its plant.</i>

424
00:29:52,165 --> 00:29:55,919
So a team of folks
went out with some jugs,
plastic jars,

425
00:29:56,878 --> 00:30:00,256
<i>and went to general</i>
<i>stores and went miles</i>
<i>down river</i>

426
00:30:01,341 --> 00:30:02,634
<i>to collect samples.</i>

427
00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:08,515
<i>They found, that in fact,</i>
<i>the chemical had gone</i>
<i>quite far from the plant.</i>

428
00:30:10,475 --> 00:30:12,310
[Papantonio]
<i>Their own scientist</i>
<i>again and again, </i>

429
00:30:12,435 --> 00:30:13,812
<i>their own lawyers,</i>
<i>in fact,</i>

430
00:30:13,895 --> 00:30:16,064
<i>told them, you know,</i>
<i>we really should tell</i>
<i>people about this,</i>

431
00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:17,607
<i>'cause they're drinking it,</i>

432
00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:19,025
<i>they're bathing in it.</i>

433
00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:25,615
Who makes the final decision
as to whether or not,

434
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:29,369
there is a risk that
needs to be disclosed
to the community?

435
00:30:29,452 --> 00:30:31,913
Well, again risk is relative.

436
00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:40,964
[Joe] <i>When we got the letter,</i>
<i>within the next few weeks</i>

437
00:30:41,297 --> 00:30:43,716
<i>a friend of ours talked about</i>
<i>their granddaughter's</i>

438
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,052
<i>teeth turning black</i>
<i>and they couldn't</i>
<i>understand it.</i>

439
00:30:47,637 --> 00:30:49,722
<i>And I looked over and there</i>
<i>is my neighbor's dog,</i>

440
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:50,849
<i>tumors all over him. </i>

441
00:30:50,974 --> 00:30:53,184
<i>He couldn't explain it.</i>
<i>He said, "I've never</i>
<i>seen him like..."</i>

442
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:58,857
<i>Every time I see somebody</i>
<i>get sick it wasn't</i>
<i>just a cold or a flu.</i>

443
00:31:00,942 --> 00:31:03,862
Then I heard
about these young guys,
two of 'em,

444
00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:06,197
having testicular cancer
in the area.

445
00:31:09,617 --> 00:31:14,914
<i>It got to the point</i>
<i>where something</i>
<i>just didn't feel right.</i>

446
00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:18,793
<i>And for some reason,</i>
<i>don't ask me why or what,</i>

447
00:31:19,002 --> 00:31:21,337
<i>but that letter</i>
<i>kept hanging</i>
<i>in the back of my head.</i>

448
00:31:21,421 --> 00:31:22,922
<i>I couldn't get it</i>
<i>out of my head.</i>
What's that doin'
in our water anyway?

449
00:31:31,472 --> 00:31:34,517
<i>I thought, "Well, shoot,</i>
<i>I'll just call the Department</i>
<i>of Natural Resources.</i>

450
00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:35,852
<i>I'll ask him what it is."</i>

451
00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:39,022
<i>Didn't know anything about it.</i>

452
00:31:39,397 --> 00:31:41,190
"That's not my field."

453
00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:43,151
I thought, "Well, that
is a strange attitude.

454
00:31:45,486 --> 00:31:49,240
<i>I got a hold of</i>
<i>the clean water people,</i>
<i>I went to the wellhead people,</i>

455
00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:53,119
<i>Department of Health,</i>
<i>God, I mean,</i>
<i>I got shut off on end.</i>

456
00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:58,541
<i>I told Darlene.</i>
<i>I said, "Honey,</i>
<i>something's not right here."</i>

457
00:32:01,002 --> 00:32:02,629
<i>So I called DuPont.</i>

458
00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:06,174
<i>Talked to the head</i>
<i>toxicologist for 45 minutes.</i>

459
00:32:07,342 --> 00:32:08,384
<i>Hung the phone up.</i>

460
00:32:08,468 --> 00:32:10,303
Darlene said,
"What did you find out?"

461
00:32:10,386 --> 00:32:14,057
I said, "I was just fed
the biggest line of BS
I think I've ever been fed."

462
00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:19,854
[Evers] <i>We heard that</i>
<i>very early on in the production</i>
<i>of Teflon products,</i>

463
00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:23,483
<i>there was a manufacturer</i>
<i>up in the midwest,</i>
<i>who called and said,</i>

464
00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:25,944
<i>"We want you to come over</i>
<i>here and look at this.</i>

465
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:32,450
<i>We're heating up this Teflon</i>
<i>and we heard this pounding</i>
<i>noise on the roof.</i>

466
00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:35,703
<i>It sounded like a hailstorm."</i>

467
00:32:37,872 --> 00:32:39,624
<i>It was a flock of birds.</i>

468
00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:41,709
<i>As they were flying</i>
<i>over where the vent was,</i>

469
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,504
they just dropped
out of the sky.

470
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:53,596
By 1984, the company knew
that the material
was going into the Ohio river.

471
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,141
It was going up into the air
and they weren't telling
the community about it.

472
00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:03,815
[Ken] <i>Particles in the air</i>
<i>that came up into our own land,</i>

473
00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:07,568
<i>we always wondered what it</i>
<i>was, it wasn't dust, </i>

474
00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:09,445
<i>it was a white</i>
<i>kind of material.</i>

475
00:33:10,905 --> 00:33:12,740
<i>It was all over the plant.</i>
<i>In the air.</i>

476
00:33:15,326 --> 00:33:16,703
<i>I think that's how it happened.</i>

477
00:33:26,045 --> 00:33:28,381
When they cut me
for the cancer,
they took all my rectum,

478
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,924
part of my colon.

479
00:33:32,927 --> 00:33:37,056
Your whole life...
Your whole life's
completely different, you know.

480
00:33:38,975 --> 00:33:40,727
You don't sit
on a toilet ever again.

481
00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:45,481
I change this thing
three or four times a day.

482
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,233
Sometimes five.

483
00:33:48,234 --> 00:33:50,028
So this is everyday
life for me.

484
00:33:54,991 --> 00:33:56,409
<i>They told me</i>
<i>two months to live.</i>

485
00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:59,412
<i>And I'm lucky to be here</i>
<i>telling the story.</i>

486
00:34:02,081 --> 00:34:03,499
[Papantonio] That's why you
called and requested

487
00:34:03,583 --> 00:34:05,209
that I go ahead
and schedule the deposition

488
00:34:05,293 --> 00:34:07,795
so you'd have a chance
to testify while
you were still alive.

489
00:34:10,214 --> 00:34:11,758
Before I die,
I wanna get this out.

490
00:34:14,594 --> 00:34:17,930
<i>When you're down</i>
<i>there in the Teflon lab,</i>

491
00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:21,642
<i>did you work with a lot</i>
<i>of other people, that have</i>
<i>been sick or died early?</i>

492
00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:26,397
<i>One of my good friends,</i>
<i>Carol Caplinger.</i>

493
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:30,610
He had leukemia of the blood.

494
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,154
He died.

495
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:34,822
How old was he?

496
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,533
<i>He was only 50.</i>
<i>Forty-five, 50.</i>

497
00:34:41,537 --> 00:34:42,705
<i>Anybody else?</i>

498
00:34:45,208 --> 00:34:46,334
<i>Uh, Jim Rotwater.</i>

499
00:34:47,752 --> 00:34:49,295
<i>The last time I seen him, </i>

500
00:34:49,504 --> 00:34:51,798
<i>they were taking him</i>
<i>to Cleveland Clinic</i>
<i>and he died up there.</i>

501
00:34:52,381 --> 00:34:54,967
-How old was he?
-Fifty.

502
00:34:56,052 --> 00:34:57,553
<i>Pat Ankram,</i>
<i>she worked B shift.</i>

503
00:34:58,346 --> 00:35:00,807
<i>She passed away.</i>
<i>Joey Weaver,</i>
<i>they had him on chemo.</i>

504
00:35:01,182 --> 00:35:03,101
<i>I knew him</i>
<i>all my Teflon days.</i>
<i>Don Lutz.</i>
<i>Lana Frankow, Daryl Chrome,</i>
<i>Secretary...</i>

505
00:35:05,728 --> 00:35:07,980
<i>-How old was he?</i>
<i>-Thirties.</i>

506
00:35:08,147 --> 00:35:11,943
<i>And I lost a good friend,</i>
<i>he... He loved baseball.</i>

507
00:35:12,026 --> 00:35:15,321
<i>Cliff Spiker, Steve Bailey...</i>
<i>Alona Carr, she passed away.</i>

508
00:35:15,404 --> 00:35:18,658
<i>Paul Radall, gone.</i>
<i>William Peppers, gone.</i>
<i>Smith, gone.</i>

509
00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:21,953
<i>Jim Hewitt,</i>
<i>he had tumor show up,</i>

510
00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:23,955
<i>month later he died.</i>

511
00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:27,416
<i>Is there any doubt,</i>
<i>in your mind</i>

512
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,168
that all of these people
were exposed to C-8,

513
00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:31,087
based upon your personal
observation?

514
00:35:33,631 --> 00:35:35,550
To the best of my ability
I say they are.

515
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:43,683
<i>Life's precious.</i>

516
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:51,232
<i>And to see somebody,</i>
<i>you work with every day,</i>
<i>my friends,</i>

517
00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:53,484
<i>die...</i>

518
00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:55,611
<i>That's hard.</i>

519
00:36:00,074 --> 00:36:02,618
That was...
That was devastating.

520
00:36:29,061 --> 00:36:30,062
[man] What's that?

521
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:33,524
It's a handkerchief
for a sweaty fat guy.

522
00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:39,906
That's one thing that, uh,
I've never had to buy,
our handkerchiefs.

523
00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:42,950
'Cause my dad
was a pastor,
so he took them all the time.

524
00:36:43,492 --> 00:36:44,702
So all my own handkerchiefs
are my dad's.

525
00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:51,375
<i>Actually, the church</i>
<i>we'd go to,</i>
<i>he started it, yeah.</i>

526
00:36:54,587 --> 00:36:55,880
<i>He passed away in 2008.</i>

527
00:36:56,797 --> 00:36:57,882
So, yeah...

528
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:02,929
You good?

529
00:37:03,095 --> 00:37:05,014
-I just need to get some
bottled water.
-Cool.

530
00:37:06,807 --> 00:37:08,351
[starts car engine]

531
00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:19,862
<i>I was probably about 19 when</i>
<i>I think we met.</i>

532
00:37:19,946 --> 00:37:22,240
[Melinda] <i>The summer</i>
<i>before we got</i>
<i>married, so it was 2002.</i>

533
00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:23,324
[Bucky] <i>Okay.</i>

534
00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:26,661
So we met then,
the funny thing is we didn't
like each other at all.

535
00:37:26,744 --> 00:37:28,955
-Did not.
-Absolutely opposite.

536
00:37:29,038 --> 00:37:32,583
I became friends, you know,
with people that knew him,

537
00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:36,128
and they had us meet
and I was like, "No",
and he was like, "No".

538
00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:39,298
-It was kind of like...
-I kind of pursued after her.

539
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:41,425
And it was more like
hitting a brick wall.

540
00:37:42,134 --> 00:37:43,886
-She didn't really--
-I kept saying no. [laughs]

541
00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:50,726
-He finally started leaving
me alone was the thing.
-Oh. Okay.

542
00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:53,104
I kinda could see
who he really was.

543
00:37:53,562 --> 00:37:56,315
That he really was funny
and a gentleman.

544
00:37:56,524 --> 00:37:58,484
He treated people with
respect and...

545
00:37:59,026 --> 00:38:01,112
Once he finally started
leaving me alone,

546
00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:03,531
I could see that,
and then I started liking him.
[laughs]

547
00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:12,164
We were engaged,
like, maybe...

548
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:14,583
Maybe two months after
I started liking him.

549
00:38:14,667 --> 00:38:15,710
Yeah.

550
00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:22,633
[Sue] <i>That day was beautiful.</i>

551
00:38:25,344 --> 00:38:26,762
<i>His father was still here.</i>

552
00:38:28,347 --> 00:38:30,391
<i>We were very proud of him.</i>

553
00:38:31,183 --> 00:38:32,184
<i>Both of 'em. </i>

554
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:33,561
<i>Bucky and Melinda.</i>

555
00:38:37,481 --> 00:38:39,025
[Melinda] Does everybody
have the verse?

556
00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:42,236
-[Bucky] Yes.
-[Melinda] Yes, okay, verse.

557
00:38:43,863 --> 00:38:47,158
<i>♪ You are good</i>
<i>all the time ♪</i>

558
00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:49,243
<i>♪ All the time ♪</i>

559
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:56,459
<i>♪ You are good</i>
<i>You are... ♪</i>

560
00:38:56,542 --> 00:38:59,795
[Melinda] <i>Whatever happened,</i>
<i>you know,</i>
<i>made him who he was</i>

561
00:38:59,879 --> 00:39:02,465
<i>and I guess it</i>
<i>didn't really matter to me.</i>

562
00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:06,177
<i>And I guess later when</i>
<i>I thought a future family,</i>
<i>you know,</i>

563
00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:07,678
<i>all that stuff goes through</i>
<i>your head,</i>

564
00:39:07,762 --> 00:39:10,139
<i>you know, when you're like,</i>
<i>"This is the person</i>
<i>I'm gonna marry</i>

565
00:39:10,598 --> 00:39:12,475
<i>and, you know, is this</i>
<i>gonna affect our lives?"</i>

566
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:15,895
<i>And I remember it more</i>
<i>bothering him.</i>

567
00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:21,108
And him saying,
how he would never...
I don't wanna cry...

568
00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:23,861
He would never
wanna have a kid,

569
00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:27,823
have to go through all that
he went through as a kid.
[crying]

570
00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:29,033
[Bucky] Mmm-hmm.

571
00:39:37,124 --> 00:39:40,461
[Melinda]<i> You know, I didn't</i>
<i>want to hinder him,</i>

572
00:39:41,295 --> 00:39:46,008
<i>wanting to start a family,</i>
<i>even though it was</i>
<i>a concern for us in reality.</i>

573
00:39:50,971 --> 00:39:55,017
<i>Before we started trying,</i>
<i>we wanted to see how high</i>
<i>his C-8 levels were,</i>

574
00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:57,103
<i>and what was</i>
<i>in his bloodstream.</i>

575
00:39:58,813 --> 00:40:01,357
[Bucky] <i>They had</i>
<i>a special geneticist</i>

576
00:40:01,732 --> 00:40:07,029
come in
and, you know, it was,
kind of like my biggest fear,

577
00:40:07,154 --> 00:40:09,907
you know, being manifested
right in front of my eyes.

578
00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:15,162
[Melinda] <i>His levels were</i>
<i>so much higher,</i>
<i>higher than even</i>

579
00:40:15,287 --> 00:40:16,956
<i>what his mom has</i>
<i>in her bloodstream.</i>

580
00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:22,670
They said that there was
at least a 50% chance

581
00:40:22,753 --> 00:40:24,588
that it could be passed on
to the babies.

582
00:40:25,297 --> 00:40:28,884
You know, that they could
end up with exactly what
he went through.

583
00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:39,687
[Papantonio] Okay, it says,
"Big announcement",

584
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:41,981
go ahead and read that
next to the last paragraph.

585
00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:44,775
"Big announcement,
3M, two days ago,

586
00:40:45,776 --> 00:40:49,155
it is going to stop
making Scotchgard
because it is too persistent

587
00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:50,948
in the environment
and gets into our blood.

588
00:40:52,074 --> 00:40:55,453
<i>They then told us they</i>
<i>are going to stop making</i>
<i>a related product</i>

589
00:40:55,536 --> 00:40:57,705
<i>that is an essential ingredient</i>
<i>in the Teflon polymer,</i>

590
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,332
<i>also is very persistent</i>
<i>and also gets into blood,</i>
<i>but so far no</i>
<i>signs it has hurt anyone.</i>

591
00:41:04,003 --> 00:41:06,005
If it does we are
really in a soup,

592
00:41:06,088 --> 00:41:09,258
because essentially everyone
is exposed
one way or the other."

593
00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:18,225
[Cook] <i>The first time we came</i>
<i>across this issue</i>
<i>was May of 2000.</i>

594
00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:22,646
And it was
just a short little story
that 3M had decided

595
00:41:22,771 --> 00:41:25,900
<i>to replace the chemistry</i>

596
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:29,778
<i>that was underneath</i>
<i>Scotchgard with something else,</i>

597
00:41:29,987 --> 00:41:34,450
<i>and it was going to cost them</i>
<i>hundreds of millions of dollars</i>
<i>in that year.</i>

598
00:41:36,994 --> 00:41:40,122
[Bilott] <i>3M was</i>
<i>presenting to the USEPA</i>

599
00:41:40,414 --> 00:41:42,374
<i>some information</i>
<i>that had just come in,</i>

600
00:41:42,458 --> 00:41:45,503
<i>some rat studies with PFOS,</i>

601
00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:49,882
<i>and the widespread presence</i>
<i>of the chemical being</i>
<i>found in the blood as well.</i>

602
00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:52,718
And EPA was expressing
concerns about that data.

603
00:41:57,556 --> 00:42:01,560
[Cook] <i>And so 3M</i>
<i>and the EPA</i>
<i>hammered out an agreement</i>

604
00:42:01,644 --> 00:42:06,106
where they would voluntarily
take PFOA and PFOS
off the market.

605
00:42:07,483 --> 00:42:12,321
[Evers] <i>At the time,</i>
<i>the best producer</i>
<i>of the PFOA chemicals was 3M.</i>

606
00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:17,326
DuPont looked
at that business
and I was there at the time,

607
00:42:17,576 --> 00:42:19,578
and they said,
"Yahoo, the king is dead."

608
00:42:21,163 --> 00:42:22,873
[Papantonio] And in fact,
within a few months,

609
00:42:23,415 --> 00:42:27,795
DuPont made a decision
not only to continue
using PFOA,

610
00:42:27,962 --> 00:42:33,092
but to actually begin
manufacturing PFOA at
its facility in North Carolina.

611
00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:34,301
Correct?

612
00:42:34,468 --> 00:42:39,431
I don't recall
the exact timing or phasing,
but you are correct,

613
00:42:39,515 --> 00:42:43,852
within some period of time,
we concluded to manufacture
the product...

614
00:42:45,604 --> 00:42:47,439
And to continue using
the product.

615
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:05,749
[Lerner] <i>Rob Bilott,</i>
<i>the attorney who was </i>

616
00:43:05,833 --> 00:43:08,002
<i>working on</i>
<i>the Tennant case at that time,</i>

617
00:43:08,085 --> 00:43:12,089
came across this announcement
of 3M's decision,

618
00:43:12,172 --> 00:43:14,758
and that in fact is when
he made the connection.

619
00:43:15,968 --> 00:43:20,055
<i>DuPont had dumped</i>
<i>a similar chemical in the water</i>
<i>on Tennant's property.</i>

620
00:43:20,139 --> 00:43:25,144
[Bilott] <i>I sent a letter</i>
<i>to the USEPA,</i>
<i>on March 6th of 2001,</i>

621
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:28,856
summarizing
what we were seeing
in the internal documents.

622
00:43:28,939 --> 00:43:32,109
Providing information
to the agency to let them know,

623
00:43:32,192 --> 00:43:36,822
<i>we think you ought to look</i>
<i>into PFOA and investigate it.</i>

624
00:43:38,157 --> 00:43:42,536
[Cook] <i>Rob Bilott</i>
<i>would fight DuPont</i>
<i>to disclose documents,</i>

625
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:45,456
<i>that had anything relevant</i>
<i>to this chemistry.</i>

626
00:43:48,125 --> 00:43:51,211
<i>As these documents</i>
<i>came to his possession,</i>

627
00:43:51,503 --> 00:43:54,632
he would send
the most relevant ones
directly to the EPA.

628
00:43:56,842 --> 00:44:00,095
[Lerner] DuPont tried
to get a gag order
from a judge to stop him.

629
00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:02,640
Because they knew
that he had the goods.

630
00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:05,768
He knew what was going
on with their chemical
and could nail them.

631
00:44:06,769 --> 00:44:08,312
[Papantonio]
Down here it says that,

632
00:44:08,395 --> 00:44:12,650
"Bilott was given 130
of our worst documents,

633
00:44:13,233 --> 00:44:15,402
that he got in discovery
to EPA."

634
00:44:15,903 --> 00:44:17,446
-You see that 130?
-Yes.

635
00:44:17,738 --> 00:44:19,323
Now, what are
the worst documents?

636
00:44:19,615 --> 00:44:21,742
If you were to look
at the DuPont documents,

637
00:44:21,825 --> 00:44:23,827
how would you consider
them the worst documents?

638
00:44:23,911 --> 00:44:25,996
I'm not entirely sure
of recollections.

639
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,831
I assume they are
the toxicology documents.

640
00:44:35,714 --> 00:44:37,466
[Papantonio]
<i>All the way back</i>
<i>to the '60s,</i>

641
00:44:37,925 --> 00:44:41,470
<i>they're aware,</i>
<i>clearly aware,</i>
<i>of the risk of the product.</i>

642
00:44:42,262 --> 00:44:44,264
Their own documents show
that this is a toxin.

643
00:44:45,933 --> 00:44:49,853
[Billot] <i>They continued</i>
<i>to find toxicity effects</i>
<i>through the late 1960s.</i>

644
00:44:51,063 --> 00:44:54,942
By 1988, they started
doing cancer studies.

645
00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:56,902
[Papantonio]
In that particular study,

646
00:44:57,111 --> 00:44:59,988
increased rate
of leydig cell tumors

647
00:45:00,072 --> 00:45:01,907
were found, correct?

648
00:45:02,324 --> 00:45:03,367
That is correct?

649
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,207
[Cook] <i>Their studies</i>
<i>were showing</i>
<i>rats dying, dogs dying,</i>

650
00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:13,710
<i>monkeys dying, they were</i>
<i>saying testicular tumors,</i>

651
00:45:13,961 --> 00:45:16,505
<i>liver disease,</i>
<i>pancreatic disease.</i>

652
00:45:18,924 --> 00:45:21,718
[Bilott]
<i>Unfortunately, monkeys</i>
<i>even at the lowest dose</i>

653
00:45:21,802 --> 00:45:23,595
<i>were dying after being</i>
<i>exposed to PFOA.</i>

654
00:45:26,348 --> 00:45:31,103
And they know that these
primate studies
have a direct relationship

655
00:45:31,186 --> 00:45:33,021
to what we'll find in
the human population.

656
00:45:35,441 --> 00:45:41,363
DuPont itself had
classified PFOA as a confirmed
animal carcinogen,

657
00:45:41,447 --> 00:45:42,698
possible human carcinogen.

658
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:50,998
[Cook] <i>All of this information</i>
<i>was clear evidence </i>

659
00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:52,833
<i>that should have</i>
<i>been disclosed</i>

660
00:45:52,916 --> 00:45:54,251
<i>under Federal law.</i>

661
00:45:55,377 --> 00:45:59,089
But those documents didn't
show up at EPA at all.

662
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,343
When they began to show up
as a result of this court case,

663
00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,012
that's when everything
changed.

664
00:46:05,971 --> 00:46:07,389
[sizzling]

665
00:46:08,474 --> 00:46:12,644
[tv anchor] <i>When do you cross</i>
<i>the threshold from</i>
<i>convenient to dangerous?</i>

666
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:15,689
That's what the
Environmental Protection Agency
is trying to determine

667
00:46:15,772 --> 00:46:18,734
with a very popular chemical
in almost every household.

668
00:46:35,876 --> 00:46:37,085
[Joe]
<i>They just started diggin'.</i>

669
00:46:40,047 --> 00:46:43,300
<i>Finally, I talked</i>
<i>to the national Environmental</i>
<i>Protection Agency.</i>

670
00:46:46,094 --> 00:46:47,721
<i>And when I read</i>
<i>the gentleman the letter,</i>

671
00:46:47,846 --> 00:46:50,140
<i>he said, "I'm gonna</i>
<i>send you some information,</i>

672
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:53,685
<i>and when I do, he said, I want</i>
<i>you to read it very carefully,</i>
<i>because after you read it,</i>
<i>you'll probably want</i>
<i>to contact a lawyer."</i>

673
00:47:01,026 --> 00:47:02,194
I said, "Well, okay."

674
00:47:02,277 --> 00:47:04,071
Next day,
I got it in the mail,
I opened it,

675
00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:08,367
<i>and I read the information</i>
<i>and what it was,</i>
<i>was on the Tennant case.</i>

676
00:47:17,209 --> 00:47:19,711
[Wilbur]<i> You see the</i>
<i>discoloration in that eye?</i>

677
00:47:21,797 --> 00:47:23,215
<i>They're born that way.</i>

678
00:47:28,595 --> 00:47:32,307
<i>Cow there, she gotta open her</i>
<i>mouth and I gotta</i>
<i>check her teeth.</i>

679
00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:34,685
<i>They'll probably</i>
<i>be all black,</i>
<i>her jowl teeth.</i>

680
00:47:35,602 --> 00:47:37,521
<i>This is what</i>
<i>her teeth looks like.</i>

681
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:41,817
[Joe] <i>The key part</i>
<i>of that was </i>

682
00:47:42,067 --> 00:47:45,028
<i>is when they said,</i>
<i>the cattle,</i>
<i>their teeth had turned black,</i>

683
00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:46,572
<i>I thought wait a minute...</i>

684
00:47:49,866 --> 00:47:52,661
<i>They talked about</i>
<i>the kids teeth</i>
<i>turning black.</i>

685
00:47:52,869 --> 00:47:54,955
<i>I started to put two</i>
<i>and two together,</i>

686
00:47:55,038 --> 00:47:58,083
<i>I looked up in the corner,</i>
<i>I saw Rob Bilott's</i>
<i>name up there.</i>

687
00:47:58,959 --> 00:48:00,961
<i>So I said, "I'm gonna</i>
<i>call this guy."</i>

688
00:48:06,883 --> 00:48:09,886
[Papantonio] <i>It says,</i>
<i>"Learn in the depostion</i>
<i>that Earl Tennant</i>

689
00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:11,138
<i>uses Lubeck drinking water,"</i>

690
00:48:11,555 --> 00:48:15,309
and we know that Bilott
has requested information
from Lubeck water company.

691
00:48:15,392 --> 00:48:17,227
-You see that?
-I see that, yes.

692
00:48:19,146 --> 00:48:22,190
[Lerner]<i> So this letter,</i>
<i>it had a legal purpose.</i>

693
00:48:23,025 --> 00:48:26,153
<i>According to West Virginia</i>
<i>law, two years after</i>
<i>this letter went out,</i>

694
00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:29,239
the statute of limitations
would run out.

695
00:48:30,157 --> 00:48:33,535
And then you go on to say,
"The real danger is what steps

696
00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:36,747
<i>Bilott might take</i>
<i>to expand the number</i>
<i>of plaintiffs,</i>

697
00:48:36,830 --> 00:48:39,791
<i>and introduce new environmental</i>
<i>allegations in this lawsuit.</i>

698
00:48:39,875 --> 00:48:42,336
<i>And if he does</i>
<i>what will the court</i>
<i>allow him to do?"</i>

699
00:48:44,046 --> 00:48:46,006
[Lerner]<i> The public had two</i>
<i>years to respond.</i>

700
00:48:46,465 --> 00:48:49,343
If there was no response,
the case was legally dead.

701
00:48:51,178 --> 00:48:53,597
[man on tv] <i>...more rain</i>
<i>in the forecast.</i>

702
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,891
<i>Tomorrow 87</i>
<i>your high temperature, </i>

703
00:48:55,974 --> 00:48:57,517
<i>and you'll see that pattern</i>
<i>throughout the rest</i>
<i>of the week.</i>

704
00:48:59,186 --> 00:49:01,688
[Joe] <i>Rob calls me from</i>
<i>Cincinnati airport, he says,</i>

705
00:49:03,148 --> 00:49:05,525
<i>My law firm</i>
<i>wants to take this case on."</i>

706
00:49:06,234 --> 00:49:08,862
<i>He said, "Do you want</i>
<i>to take it on</i>
<i>as a class action</i>

707
00:49:08,987 --> 00:49:10,822
<i>or do you wanna take it on</i>
<i>as a civil?</i>

708
00:49:11,615 --> 00:49:14,910
I said, " I've just got a gut
feeling something
is just not right here."

709
00:49:15,285 --> 00:49:17,871
I said, "Where do we get
the most help for most people?"

710
00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:20,290
He said, "Class action",
I said, "Let's do it."

711
00:49:25,253 --> 00:49:28,173
I said, "No, absolutely not."

712
00:49:28,965 --> 00:49:32,177
Because the involvement
with my ex-husband.

713
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:33,553
And because of the involvement
of our children.

714
00:49:36,014 --> 00:49:37,516
<i>My ex-husband</i>
<i>worked at DuPont.</i>

715
00:49:38,183 --> 00:49:41,937
<i>So anything that might</i>
<i>cause them any pain</i>
<i>or anything,</i>

716
00:49:42,354 --> 00:49:44,022
<i>I just didn't want them</i>
<i>to be involved.</i>

717
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:48,777
<i>But I could see</i>
<i>it in Joe's eyes.</i>

718
00:49:53,115 --> 00:49:55,325
And he said, "I really think
you need to do it."

719
00:49:55,409 --> 00:49:57,994
I said, "If you want me
to I will,
I'll do it for you.

720
00:50:00,872 --> 00:50:03,417
<i>But we gotta be</i>
<i>very protective</i>
<i>and very careful."</i>

721
00:50:13,427 --> 00:50:16,680
<i>Everybody in this area</i>
<i>one way or another</i>
<i>is connected to DuPont.</i>

722
00:50:16,847 --> 00:50:20,767
<i>You go dealing with somebody's</i>
<i>livelihood which is their job,</i>

723
00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:23,562
<i>which is their insurance</i>
<i>and their protection,</i>

724
00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:27,274
<i>and you go messin'</i>
<i>with that,</i>
<i>you're gonna have problems.</i>

725
00:50:29,901 --> 00:50:34,990
[Harry Deitzler] <i>You can't</i>
<i>walk into a restaurant</i>
<i>or any gathering,</i>

726
00:50:35,073 --> 00:50:41,246
here in Parkersburg and not
run into somebody that either
worked at DuPont,

727
00:50:41,413 --> 00:50:45,751
<i>has a relative that worked</i>
<i>at DuPont, has a good</i>
<i>friend that worked at DuPont.</i>

728
00:50:50,255 --> 00:50:53,842
The net profit for all this
if you're gonna turn
it into money is,

729
00:50:53,925 --> 00:50:57,012
<i>better schools,</i>
<i>better education system.</i>

730
00:50:57,804 --> 00:51:01,475
<i>DuPont helped fortify</i>
<i>the city of Parkersburg.</i>

731
00:51:04,352 --> 00:51:08,482
DuPont is very good
at locking up the town.

732
00:51:08,982 --> 00:51:12,110
<i>When there is something</i>
<i>that is not going their way,</i>

733
00:51:12,194 --> 00:51:15,989
<i>they'll help schools,</i>
<i>they'll talk to the churches,</i>

734
00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:18,533
they are very big on the PR.

735
00:51:18,617 --> 00:51:21,328
[Paul Brooks]
<i>They have unbelievable</i>
<i>reputation for safety.</i>

736
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:25,457
<i>Good jobs, benefits,</i>
<i>good citizens.</i>

737
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:28,043
Everybody thought they could
do no wrong.

738
00:51:29,586 --> 00:51:31,087
[Ken] <i>DuPont was my idol.</i>

739
00:51:33,173 --> 00:51:36,468
<i>I used to cut grass</i>
<i>for DuPonters</i>
<i>when I was young.</i>

740
00:51:37,928 --> 00:51:39,054
<i>But I don't blame them.</i>

741
00:51:40,263 --> 00:51:42,891
It's the people who run
the company, the people
who make the decisions.

742
00:51:45,852 --> 00:51:47,437
<i>I should have</i>
<i>opened my eyes,</i>
<i>but I loved</i>
<i>DuPont so much.</i>

743
00:51:50,482 --> 00:51:53,360
<i>And I felt they wouldn't put</i>
<i>me in harm's way.</i>

744
00:51:57,989 --> 00:51:59,866
[Papantonio]
<i>We want to believe</i>
<i>corporate America.</i>

745
00:52:01,535 --> 00:52:04,371
<i>It's too horrible to believe</i>
<i>that everyday we get up,</i>

746
00:52:04,454 --> 00:52:06,998
<i>we're at the mercy</i>
<i>of a corporation</i>
<i>who might lie to us,</i>

747
00:52:07,374 --> 00:52:11,253
who might poison us,
who might create
a product that might kill us.

748
00:52:11,586 --> 00:52:12,712
For profit.

749
00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:20,262
"<i>There was consensus</i>
<i>reached that the issue which</i>
<i>will decide future actions</i>

750
00:52:20,345 --> 00:52:22,722
<i>is one of corporate image</i>
<i>and corporate liability.</i>

751
00:52:22,848 --> 00:52:24,891
<i>Liability was further defined</i>

752
00:52:24,975 --> 00:52:28,186
<i>as the incremental liability</i>
<i>from this point</i>
<i>on if we do nothing.</i>

753
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:32,107
As we are already liable
for the past 32 years
of operation."

754
00:52:33,108 --> 00:52:34,359
-See that?
-Yes.

755
00:52:34,734 --> 00:52:40,866
In 1984, they already
admit we have been
liable for 32 years.

756
00:52:42,409 --> 00:52:44,411
<i>They had made a money decision.</i>

757
00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:48,540
<i>On the next page,</i>

758
00:52:48,623 --> 00:52:51,626
<i>"Looking ahead, legal</i>
<i>and medical will most</i>
<i>likely take a position</i>

759
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:52,919
<i>of total elimination.</i>

760
00:52:53,837 --> 00:52:56,172
<i>They have no incentive</i>
<i>to take any other position."</i>

761
00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:57,591
<i>-See that?</i>
-[Holliday] <i>Yes.</i>

762
00:52:57,924 --> 00:53:01,177
"A <i>product group will take</i>
<i>a position, but the business</i>
<i>cannot afford it.</i>

763
00:53:04,556 --> 00:53:06,725
<i>We know that there was</i>
<i>a discussion about,</i>

764
00:53:06,808 --> 00:53:09,728
<i>do we need to come up</i>
<i>with something in our</i>
<i>Teflon production</i>

765
00:53:09,811 --> 00:53:11,396
<i>that's not gonna</i>
<i>cause these problems.</i>

766
00:53:14,482 --> 00:53:17,152
<i>And they conclude,</i>
<i>"If we launch something new,</i>

767
00:53:17,611 --> 00:53:19,696
<i>it's gonna cost us</i>
<i>a lot of money.</i>

768
00:53:22,198 --> 00:53:23,617
<i>We have to stick with C-8.</i>

769
00:53:25,368 --> 00:53:26,912
<i>C-8 is the devil we know."</i>

770
00:53:32,667 --> 00:53:34,419
[Evers]
<i>I think they recognized</i>

771
00:53:34,586 --> 00:53:37,714
<i>that Teflon was</i>
<i>a significant part</i>
<i>of the business.</i>

772
00:53:46,681 --> 00:53:49,100
<i>It all boils down</i>
<i>to economics.</i>

773
00:53:50,518 --> 00:53:54,105
Let's just ignore
the situation
and continue using PFOA.

774
00:53:54,189 --> 00:53:56,983
<i>'Cause nobody is gonna</i>
<i>force us to stop it.</i>

775
00:53:59,778 --> 00:54:01,655
[Papantonio]<i> It's called</i>
<i>externalizing cost.</i>

776
00:54:03,531 --> 00:54:06,159
We want to make
all the profits at DuPont.

777
00:54:06,409 --> 00:54:09,329
We wanna pass all the risk,
all the illness,

778
00:54:09,412 --> 00:54:13,083
all the suffering,
all the cost of clean up
onto the tax payers.

779
00:54:26,471 --> 00:54:28,181
[Gwen] We're having spaghetti,
I'm sorry.

780
00:54:29,683 --> 00:54:30,850
[Earl] Well, I am too,

781
00:54:32,936 --> 00:54:35,230
It's leftover so you know
it'll be good.

782
00:54:38,441 --> 00:54:40,402
<i>Everybody goes through</i>
<i>life thinking water is safe.</i>

783
00:54:42,737 --> 00:54:45,115
<i>You go in and get it</i>
<i>out of your sink</i>
<i>and think, "Yeah."</i>

784
00:54:46,741 --> 00:54:50,203
<i>To think that</i>
<i>an advanced country</i>
<i>like we live in,</i>

785
00:54:50,996 --> 00:54:54,666
<i>who would think of it</i>
<i>being polluted</i>
<i>or dangerous?</i>

786
00:54:56,501 --> 00:54:58,753
[Earl]<i> It's a sad situation.</i>

787
00:55:00,213 --> 00:55:03,675
It's terrible that you have
to be concerned about
the water you drink.

788
00:55:10,598 --> 00:55:14,144
<i>The Ohio river comes</i>
<i>down through Parkersburg</i>
<i>and goes toward us.</i>

789
00:55:15,645 --> 00:55:18,273
<i>Supplying to people</i>
<i>in Evans with their water.</i>

790
00:55:19,983 --> 00:55:24,070
<i>Evans is approximately</i>
<i>40 miles from the Parkersburg</i>
<i>DuPont plant.</i>

791
00:55:26,156 --> 00:55:29,993
[man] Parkersburg is certainly
contaminated with
chemicals, C-8, right?

792
00:55:30,618 --> 00:55:31,786
Um...

793
00:55:32,287 --> 00:55:34,956
I don't know if I would
characterize it that way.

794
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,044
Fifty thousand pounds put
into the river annually
is not a contamination?

795
00:55:41,713 --> 00:55:43,882
[Papantonio] <i>At one point,</i>
<i>DuPont came out and said,</i>

796
00:55:44,382 --> 00:55:48,136
<i>"If your drinking water</i>
<i>is showing more</i>
<i>than one part per billion,</i>

797
00:55:48,678 --> 00:55:50,263
<i>of C-8 then you better not</i>
<i>drink the water."</i>
<i>Let me give you an idea</i>
<i>why that is.</i>

798
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,019
It's one drop of C-8
in an Olympic-sized pool.

799
00:55:57,854 --> 00:55:59,898
<i>Well, there's a hell of</i>
<i>a lot more than that</i>

800
00:56:00,648 --> 00:56:03,735
<i>in people's water</i>
<i>in the Ohio River Valley.</i>

801
00:56:07,155 --> 00:56:09,491
[Earl] <i>Probably</i>
<i>around '98 or '99,</i>

802
00:56:09,783 --> 00:56:12,452
<i>my thyroid glands</i>
<i>was causing a problem.</i>

803
00:56:12,994 --> 00:56:15,371
-[Gwen] And high cholesterol.
-And I had high cholesterol.

804
00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:19,751
And I was having problems
with my bowels.

805
00:56:21,086 --> 00:56:25,131
And they came up
with a real bad case
of ulcerative colitis.

806
00:56:32,305 --> 00:56:36,184
<i>You have an ulcer in your</i>
<i>colon, and it will start</i>
<i>to bleed every so often.</i>

807
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,729
<i>And when it does, you better</i>
<i>be near a bathroom,</i>

808
00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:41,606
<i>if you don't you're gonna</i>
<i>have an embarrassing situation.</i>

809
00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:45,777
[Gwen] <i>He couldn't get it</i>
<i>under control.</i>

810
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,322
<i>His doctor told me,</i>
<i>he said,</i>

811
00:56:49,489 --> 00:56:52,325
<i>"It's amazing that he has</i>
<i>not gotten cancer from it."</i>

812
00:56:52,909 --> 00:56:57,247
He said, "It's inevitable,
it's gonna happen from this...

813
00:56:57,956 --> 00:56:59,833
It's not gonna happen now
cause I don't have a colon.

814
00:57:01,209 --> 00:57:03,545
They took my colon
so I won't have colon cancer.

815
00:57:06,756 --> 00:57:09,467
<i>You know, I was always</i>
<i>thinking that one day</i>
<i>I could retire,</i>

816
00:57:09,551 --> 00:57:11,469
<i>and enjoy life,</i>
<i>we could travel.</i>

817
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:13,388
<i>But not anymore.</i>

818
00:57:14,973 --> 00:57:16,933
<i>I don't talk about this</i>
<i>situation very often.</i>

819
00:57:18,768 --> 00:57:21,938
I don't tell other people
about it... But...

820
00:57:31,489 --> 00:57:32,907
[crying] It's changed
my whole life.

821
00:57:58,516 --> 00:58:00,894
[man on radio]<i> Now, a lawsuit</i>
<i>brought by local residents</i>

822
00:58:00,977 --> 00:58:05,231
<i>accuses DuPont of trying</i>
<i>to cover up what it knew</i>
<i>about Teflon's risks.</i>

823
00:58:05,315 --> 00:58:09,110
<i>Joe Kiger says he had</i>
<i>no intention of hurting</i>
<i>the DuPont corporation</i>

824
00:58:09,194 --> 00:58:13,239
<i>when he agreed to be part</i>
<i>of a suit challenging</i>
<i>the health affects of C-8.</i>

825
00:58:21,831 --> 00:58:24,125
[Lerner]
<i>It was a class action suit</i>

826
00:58:24,542 --> 00:58:27,754
<i>on behalf of...</i>
<i>It turned out</i>
<i>six different water districts.</i>

827
00:58:28,129 --> 00:58:30,965
And tens of thousands
of people.

828
00:58:31,674 --> 00:58:33,760
[Brooks] <i>Everybody said,</i>
<i>"Oh, we know</i>
<i>it's a bunch of crap."</i>

829
00:58:34,385 --> 00:58:36,804
<i>You know, "DuPont wouldn't</i>
<i>poison anybody."</i>

830
00:58:39,224 --> 00:58:43,394
The shop talk was that Joe
was out to get filthy rich.

831
00:58:44,896 --> 00:58:46,523
[Joe] <i>We've had</i>
<i>some resistance.</i>

832
00:58:46,606 --> 00:58:49,442
<i>I mean,</i>
<i>as far as being shunned,</i>
<i>wife got a phone call one day</i>

833
00:58:49,526 --> 00:58:52,111
and the guy gets on her
and starts cussin' her out.

834
00:58:52,195 --> 00:58:54,197
"This is awful.
You are doing this.

835
00:58:54,322 --> 00:58:55,657
There is not a thing
wrong with the water."

836
00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:57,367
Why are you
ground beatin' poor
DuPont like this?

837
00:58:57,742 --> 00:58:59,869
And we heard it from
people in that area.

838
00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:03,790
[man on tv] <i>Teflon the famous</i>
<i>brand name known</i>
<i>for non-stick services</i>

839
00:59:03,998 --> 00:59:06,417
<i>may pose health risks,</i>
<i>the EPA...</i>

840
00:59:06,501 --> 00:59:09,921
[Cook] <i>As the story</i>
<i>began to break,</i>
<i>DuPont scientists</i>

841
00:59:10,004 --> 00:59:13,800
<i>were working to produce</i>
<i>public pronouncements</i>
<i>saying,</i>

842
00:59:15,134 --> 00:59:18,596
"Look, we've taken
a look at it, it's nothing
to be concerned about."

843
00:59:18,888 --> 00:59:20,974
Based on our
assessment of the science,

844
00:59:21,266 --> 00:59:23,851
we do not believe this poses
any cancer risk.

845
00:59:23,935 --> 00:59:25,895
[Stacey Mobley]
<i>Chemicals that have</i>
<i>an effect in animals</i>

846
00:59:25,979 --> 00:59:28,481
<i>don't necessarily have</i>
<i>a similar effect</i>
<i>in humans.</i>

847
00:59:29,148 --> 00:59:32,235
[Lerner] <i>First of all,</i>
<i>DuPont put together</i>
<i>this team,</i>

848
00:59:32,318 --> 00:59:34,946
<i>of legal experts</i>
<i>and scientists,</i>

849
00:59:35,029 --> 00:59:37,323
to defend their chemical.

850
00:59:37,865 --> 00:59:40,326
<i>And it was led by someone</i>
<i>named Mike McCabe.</i>

851
00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:45,540
[man] Sometime during 2000,
you became the US EPA
deputy administrator, correct?

852
00:59:45,915 --> 00:59:50,378
I received a commission
from the President to be
the deputy administrator.

853
00:59:50,461 --> 00:59:52,922
Before that I was
acting administrator.

854
00:59:53,256 --> 00:59:55,633
And in 2003,

855
00:59:56,426 --> 01:00:01,848
you began working through
McCabe and Associates
for DuPont, correct?

856
01:00:01,931 --> 01:00:02,974
Correct.

857
01:00:03,808 --> 01:00:06,894
[Lerner] <i>Mike McCabe</i>
<i>had been the number two</i>
<i>guy at EPA.</i>

858
01:00:07,228 --> 01:00:12,191
And he got other former
EPA folks with him,

859
01:00:12,275 --> 01:00:13,776
and they really pushed back.

860
01:00:15,361 --> 01:00:18,197
[Papantonio] <i>There was</i>
<i>a revolving door</i>
<i>that was taking place</i>

861
01:00:18,281 --> 01:00:20,617
<i>between DuPont and the EPA.</i>

862
01:00:21,868 --> 01:00:26,748
DuPont had basically gained
control of governmental
decisions,

863
01:00:27,415 --> 01:00:31,127
The "Ask", you see the "Ask".
And then, "Ask" is in quotes.

864
01:00:32,712 --> 01:00:37,258
<i>"In our opinion, the only voice</i>
<i>that can cut through</i>
<i>the negative stories</i>

865
01:00:37,342 --> 01:00:38,635
<i>is the voice of EPA."</i>

866
01:00:39,093 --> 01:00:43,306
The governmental agencies
that should have been
responsible, the EPA,

867
01:00:44,098 --> 01:00:46,893
<i>those people were</i>
<i>captured by DuPont.</i>

868
01:00:47,268 --> 01:00:48,645
It's called corporate capture.

869
01:00:49,979 --> 01:00:51,481
[Lerner]
<i>They're sharing documents,</i>
<i>they' re showing</i>

870
01:00:51,564 --> 01:00:53,983
<i>each other things</i>
<i>before they happen.</i>

871
01:00:54,067 --> 01:00:57,987
DuPont folks are requesting
quotes from the EPA to put
in their own press releases.

872
01:00:58,196 --> 01:01:00,323
[Papantonio]
"<i>Subject, Urgent."</i>
<i>See that?</i>

873
01:01:00,406 --> 01:01:03,660
<i>"Coverage has been broad</i>
<i>in print and network media.</i>

874
01:01:03,743 --> 01:01:08,498
<i>Significant disruptions in our</i>
<i>markets and our consumers</i>
<i>are very concerned.</i>

875
01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:14,504
<i>We need EPA to quickly,</i>
<i>like first thing tomorrow</i>
<i>say the following.</i>

876
01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:18,966
<i>Consumer products sold</i>
<i>under the Teflon</i>
<i>brand are safe.</i>

877
01:01:19,217 --> 01:01:24,013
<i>Further, to date there are no</i>
<i>human health effects known</i>
<i>to be caused by PFOA."</i>

878
01:01:25,306 --> 01:01:29,936
DuPont did in fact ask EPA
to make those statements,
correct?

879
01:01:30,019 --> 01:01:31,187
That's correct.

880
01:01:31,437 --> 01:01:32,897
<i>So all of a sudden</i>
<i>the EPA is sayin',</i>

881
01:01:32,980 --> 01:01:34,774
"Oh, yeah, we'll do
whatever you want us to do."

882
01:01:34,857 --> 01:01:37,318
Which is a complete scam,
utter scam.

883
01:01:39,487 --> 01:01:40,905
<i>And it was very successful.</i>

884
01:01:41,406 --> 01:01:43,991
[newscaster]
<i>As for all those pots and pans</i>
<i>in the homes of Americans,</i>

885
01:01:44,742 --> 01:01:46,661
both DuPont and the Federal
government say,

886
01:01:46,744 --> 01:01:49,038
there's no need right now,
Elizabeth, to throw them out.

887
01:01:49,122 --> 01:01:52,375
No need to throw them out,
but seems like plenty of need
for concern.

888
01:01:54,752 --> 01:01:56,295
[elevator bell dings]

889
01:01:58,548 --> 01:02:00,883
[indistinct chatter]

890
01:02:10,017 --> 01:02:13,229
-[woman] You wanna hear
the baby's heartbeat first?
-Yes, that would be awesome.

891
01:02:16,441 --> 01:02:18,276
[heart beating]

892
01:02:18,776 --> 01:02:20,278
-[woman] He's alive.
-[chuckles]

893
01:02:20,361 --> 01:02:23,114
He's movin'.
He moved a lot.

894
01:02:26,075 --> 01:02:28,202
So if you can get a face shot
that would be awesome.

895
01:02:34,834 --> 01:02:37,253
[woman] Yeah, you have to use
your imagination.

896
01:02:38,421 --> 01:02:41,257
Hands, eye, forehead.

897
01:02:43,509 --> 01:02:45,970
-He's movin' around.
-I wanna see two nostrils.

898
01:02:48,181 --> 01:02:52,143
We can try. Let's see.
I don't know how
this will come out on him.

899
01:02:52,643 --> 01:02:53,978
But we can try.
Let me give it a shot.

900
01:02:59,150 --> 01:03:01,861
[Melinda] <i>I will say</i>
<i>this is something</i>
<i>we really had to pray about,</i>

901
01:03:01,944 --> 01:03:04,989
<i>to know are we going to take</i>
<i>the next step</i>
<i>and have children.</i>

902
01:03:05,072 --> 01:03:06,073
[Bucky] Yeah.

903
01:03:06,699 --> 01:03:08,659
<i>There's definitely been some</i>
<i>struggles with it.</i>

904
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:12,538
<i>Basically, the bottom line was,</i>
<i>there's a 50% chance </i>

905
01:03:12,622 --> 01:03:14,624
<i>that everything</i>
<i>is going to be fine.</i>

906
01:03:17,376 --> 01:03:21,339
[woman] Yeah, I don't think
I'll be able to 'cause
his hands are right there.

907
01:03:22,298 --> 01:03:25,676
He has his hand
kind of over his face
like this.

908
01:03:25,968 --> 01:03:28,554
So that's why you can't
see his nose.
This is his eyelid.

909
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:30,723
-[Bucky] He does not want
to co-operate.
-Nope.

910
01:03:31,265 --> 01:03:33,017
He does not
want to co-operate.

911
01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:47,073
[Bucky]<i> I pray that our child</i>
<i>does not have any deformities</i>
<i>and he's 100% healthy.</i>

912
01:03:48,449 --> 01:03:49,992
But we're ready for it.

913
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:53,746
I lived my whole life
for this so,
it will be better.

914
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,293
Thanks.

915
01:04:21,232 --> 01:04:22,275
[crying quietly]

916
01:04:28,948 --> 01:04:30,241
We'll be okay.

917
01:04:35,204 --> 01:04:37,206
[Melinda] So that's like
one side of his face.

918
01:04:37,331 --> 01:04:39,292
[Sue] Okay,
how's this right here?

919
01:04:39,375 --> 01:04:41,168
-You got it upside down.
-Yeah.

920
01:04:41,961 --> 01:04:44,255
-She tried...
Tried to get a profile.
-Yeah.

921
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:47,550
-She was like, "Come on."
-She was like wiggling
on my stomach

922
01:04:47,633 --> 01:04:50,595
trying to get him to take
his hands down from his
face and he wouldn't.

923
01:04:50,678 --> 01:04:52,388
He kept like going
back up like this.

924
01:04:53,222 --> 01:04:54,473
He was scared.

925
01:04:58,436 --> 01:05:01,772
[Sue] <i>Can't imagine him</i>
<i>holding a baby</i>
<i>and the baby being his.</i>

926
01:05:02,231 --> 01:05:03,399
<i>And Melinda's.</i>

927
01:05:04,817 --> 01:05:06,193
<i>They've been</i>
<i>married for 12 years.</i>

928
01:05:07,361 --> 01:05:09,196
<i>I know they held back</i>
<i>for so long.</i>
<i>I just wish his father</i>
<i>was here to see it.</i>

929
01:05:20,833 --> 01:05:22,418
It's gonna be okay, really.

930
01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:27,798
Yeah, I know, it's just...

931
01:05:29,467 --> 01:05:30,676
[crying]

932
01:05:33,262 --> 01:05:34,555
I miss my dad.

933
01:05:35,097 --> 01:05:36,891
I know...

934
01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:45,358
Would love just to talk
to him about this.

935
01:06:09,507 --> 01:06:12,635
[Joe] <i>In 2005, we got the call</i>
<i>from DuPont.</i>

936
01:06:13,886 --> 01:06:16,806
<i>They said that you know,</i>
<i>that they want to mediate.</i>

937
01:06:18,432 --> 01:06:20,851
<i>Of course, we went</i>
<i>through negotiations</i>
<i>and everything, </i>

938
01:06:20,935 --> 01:06:22,979
<i>for the settlement,</i>
<i>settlement amount.</i>

939
01:06:23,896 --> 01:06:25,815
[woman reporter]<i> Now,</i>
<i>the implementation phase</i>

940
01:06:25,898 --> 01:06:27,566
<i>of the settlement</i>
<i>in that case begins.</i>

941
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:29,485
[Lerner] <i>Generally,</i>
<i>with a settlement,</i>

942
01:06:29,568 --> 01:06:30,861
<i>people just wanna</i>
<i>be done with it.</i>

943
01:06:30,945 --> 01:06:33,155
<i>They wanna get their cash,</i>
<i>they wanna walk.</i>

944
01:06:33,614 --> 01:06:35,658
<i>Because it's usually</i>
<i>a long time coming.</i>

945
01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:40,621
But what happened
in the case of C-8 was
really radically different.

946
01:06:56,303 --> 01:07:00,141
[Bilott] <i>Rather than just take</i>
<i>that money provided by</i>
<i>DuPont under the settlement,</i>

947
01:07:00,224 --> 01:07:03,269
and divide it up
among the class members
and walk away,

948
01:07:03,728 --> 01:07:08,107
<i>what we decided to do was</i>
<i>set up something called</i>
<i>the C-8 Science Panel.</i>

949
01:07:09,275 --> 01:07:14,196
The community wanted to know,
does drinking PFOA actually
have links

950
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,781
to human disease?

951
01:07:16,949 --> 01:07:19,410
[reporter] <i>The settlement</i>
<i>is far from the end</i>
<i>of the C-8 case.</i>

952
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:23,122
<i>It merely sets into motion</i>
<i>a blood test process which</i>

953
01:07:23,205 --> 01:07:26,083
<i>six different water districts</i>
<i>are eligible to take.</i>

954
01:07:27,084 --> 01:07:32,131
[Lerner] <i>That was a sacrifice</i>
<i>on the part of the people</i>
<i>who had won the money.</i>

955
01:07:32,214 --> 01:07:36,052
But it was one that could
have turned out paying out
for everybody in the world.

956
01:07:37,678 --> 01:07:40,931
[Papantonio]
<i>You have to remember</i>
<i>that DuPont has spread C-8 </i>

957
01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:43,100
<i>all over the planet</i>
<i>at this point.</i>

958
01:07:44,518 --> 01:07:47,146
<i>The science panel was</i>
<i>important to determine </i>

959
01:07:47,271 --> 01:07:49,398
exactly how bad
this stuff is.

960
01:07:50,524 --> 01:07:52,693
[Joe] <i>I said,</i>
<i>"If this stuff is</i>
<i>harming people </i>

961
01:07:52,777 --> 01:07:55,112
<i>and they've known</i>
<i>full well what's going on,</i>

962
01:07:55,613 --> 01:07:58,032
we owe it to these people
to get this thing right."

963
01:07:59,408 --> 01:08:00,701
[Lerner]
<i>According to the settlement,</i>

964
01:08:00,785 --> 01:08:03,662
<i>any of those people</i>
<i>in these six water districts,</i>

965
01:08:04,163 --> 01:08:09,210
could sue if the science panel
could prove the exposures
had caused any harm.

966
01:08:10,795 --> 01:08:14,298
[reporter] <i>DuPont remains</i>
<i>confident the test results</i>
<i>will prove C-8 is safe.</i>

967
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,635
<i>But a lot depends on how</i>
<i>many take the test.</i>

968
01:08:18,469 --> 01:08:21,680
[Brooks] <i>It's my belief</i>
<i>that when DuPont settled</i>
<i>this case,</i>

969
01:08:21,764 --> 01:08:27,478
<i>they had predetermined</i>
<i>that no epidemiological study</i>
<i>could be done large enough</i>

970
01:08:27,561 --> 01:08:29,271
<i>to ever get a link.</i>

971
01:08:31,232 --> 01:08:35,402
<i>And with no link,</i>
<i>the jury comes back,</i>
<i>you're innocent.</i>

972
01:08:36,195 --> 01:08:38,155
<i>And you can never</i>
<i>be tried again.</i>

973
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:44,912
[Deitzler] The problem is when
you ask people
to volunteer for a study,

974
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:46,205
not many gonna show up.

975
01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:48,791
<i>And so who's gonna do this?</i>

976
01:08:49,542 --> 01:08:51,794
<i>We wanted to get this thing</i>
<i>up and running 'cause</i>

977
01:08:51,877 --> 01:08:54,088
<i>the momentum was there,</i>
<i>the case had been settled.</i>

978
01:08:54,171 --> 01:08:58,509
So we put a lot of information
out in ads and pamphlets,
you name it.

979
01:08:58,717 --> 01:09:01,762
Every type of media
we could get our hands...
We flooded the market.

980
01:09:02,847 --> 01:09:05,599
[announcer] <i>Healthy drinking</i>
<i>water is vital to all of us.</i>

981
01:09:05,891 --> 01:09:10,104
<i>That's why scientists need</i>
<i>to know if the chemical C-8</i>
<i>causes any health problems.</i>

982
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:12,690
<i>By completing a health</i>
<i>questionnaire and having</i>
<i>your blood tested</i>

983
01:09:13,065 --> 01:09:16,861
<i>you can help.</i>
<i>And you may be</i>
<i>paid up to $400.</i>

984
01:09:16,944 --> 01:09:18,988
<i>To get started call...</i>

985
01:09:20,406 --> 01:09:24,326
We ended up
also using that money to pay

986
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:28,205
class members to come in
and have their blood
tested for PFOA,

987
01:09:28,372 --> 01:09:31,041
<i>and to provide access to their</i>
<i>medical information.</i>

988
01:09:31,542 --> 01:09:35,129
[reporter] <i>This daughter</i>
<i>of a DuPont worker is ready</i>
<i>to cash her $400 check.</i>

989
01:09:36,255 --> 01:09:39,508
That's not too shabby,
coming in around November
for Christmas,

990
01:09:39,592 --> 01:09:40,718
for a lot of families.

991
01:09:42,386 --> 01:09:44,430
[reporter] <i>If the research</i>
<i>ends up showing that</i>

992
01:09:44,513 --> 01:09:46,390
<i>C-8 is a major</i>
<i>medical problem,</i>

993
01:09:46,473 --> 01:09:48,517
<i>the impact will be beyond...</i>

994
01:09:48,601 --> 01:09:50,978
[overlapping chatter]

995
01:09:51,061 --> 01:09:53,564
[reporter] <i>And thousands of</i>
<i>people are undergoing tests</i>
<i>that may ultimately</i>
<i>help determine whether</i>
<i>all of are at risk.</i>

996
01:10:12,166 --> 01:10:14,793
[Bilott] <i>One of the things</i>
<i>that was sort of an unknown</i>
<i>at the time</i>

997
01:10:14,877 --> 01:10:16,420
<i>was how long</i>
<i>this process would take.</i>

998
01:10:20,883 --> 01:10:23,969
<i>It ended up taking</i>
<i>more than seven years.</i>

999
01:10:28,182 --> 01:10:30,809
<i>And the results came back</i>
<i>around 2012.</i>

1000
01:10:35,773 --> 01:10:39,318
[Joe]<i> Virtually, the entire</i>
<i>affected population</i>
<i>estimated at</i>

1001
01:10:39,526 --> 01:10:42,655
<i>70,000 people participated.</i>

1002
01:10:44,907 --> 01:10:48,869
It's the largest human
health study in the history
of the world.

1003
01:10:49,078 --> 01:10:50,871
In terms of its
breath and scope.

1004
01:10:56,168 --> 01:11:00,547
[Bilott] <i>The eyes of the</i>
<i>world has been on</i>
<i>this science panel.</i>

1005
01:11:00,631 --> 01:11:03,133
<i>The chemical industry</i>
<i>has been keenly</i>

1006
01:11:03,217 --> 01:11:05,177
<i>interested in what was</i>
<i>going to come out of this.</i>

1007
01:11:05,970 --> 01:11:08,764
The designed the most
world that have ever

1008
01:11:08,847 --> 01:11:11,267
class studies been
done on a pollutant.

1009
01:11:12,726 --> 01:11:14,770
<i>They spent seven years.</i>

1010
01:11:15,688 --> 01:11:19,066
<i>Seven years studying</i>
<i>this community.</i>

1011
01:11:19,358 --> 01:11:22,695
<i>What other chemical do you</i>
<i>have this kind of information</i>
<i>about?</i>

1012
01:11:23,028 --> 01:11:24,571
<i>The science is unequivocal now.</i>

1013
01:11:25,823 --> 01:11:30,911
<i>In 2012, they said there</i>
<i>was a link between</i>
<i>drinking this in the water</i>

1014
01:11:31,078 --> 01:11:32,579
<i>and six different diseases.</i>

1015
01:11:34,206 --> 01:11:36,667
<i>Kidney cancer,</i>
<i>testicular cancer,</i>

1016
01:11:37,167 --> 01:11:40,504
<i>ulcerative colitis,</i>
<i>thyroid disease,</i>

1017
01:11:40,921 --> 01:11:43,674
<i>preeclampsia</i>
<i>and high cholesterol.</i>

1018
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:50,889
[Gwen] <i>We found out</i>
<i>through the newspaper</i>
<i>article.</i>

1019
01:11:51,348 --> 01:11:54,768
I was reading, I said,
"Earl, that C-8 can cause...

1020
01:11:54,852 --> 01:11:57,062
You know, I started
naming them, I said,
"You have three of those."

1021
01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:04,695
[Joe] <i>Mine was cholesterol,</i>
<i>and high cholesterol</i>
<i>contributes to heart disease.</i>

1022
01:12:06,113 --> 01:12:08,657
Well, I've got nine stents
and I had a heart attack.

1023
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:17,708
[Sue] <i>After the blood test,</i>
<i>I was notified that</i>
<i>I have thyroid disease.</i>

1024
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:29,803
[Ken] <i>Was I a guinea pig?</i>
<i>What do you think?</i>
<i>That's what it looks like.</i>

1025
01:12:32,306 --> 01:12:35,142
Was Carol Caplinger
a guinea pig?
Was Cliff Spiker a guinea pig?

1026
01:12:35,225 --> 01:12:36,643
Was Joey Weaver a guinea pig?

1027
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,231
<i>Were they thinking</i>
<i>we're dumb enough that</i>
<i>we don't know what's going on?</i>

1028
01:12:44,985 --> 01:12:47,654
[Cook] <i>First, it's the</i>
<i>workers you betray</i>
<i>by not telling them.</i>

1029
01:12:49,948 --> 01:12:53,577
<i>And then you betray</i>
<i>the community in which</i>
<i>these plants operate.</i>

1030
01:12:54,536 --> 01:12:56,455
And then you betray
the community next door.

1031
01:12:57,164 --> 01:12:58,957
<i>Who's also being exposed.</i>

1032
01:13:07,883 --> 01:13:09,259
<i>We're upstream.</i>

1033
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:13,722
We never anticipated
that we would be
included in any of this.

1034
01:13:15,349 --> 01:13:18,894
[reporter] <i>Thousands of people</i>
<i>in Vienna, West Virginia are</i>
<i>being told</i>

1035
01:13:18,977 --> 01:13:20,396
<i>do not drink the water.</i>

1036
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,690
[radio announcer] <i>Clean water</i>
<i>distribution sites, they're</i>
<i>open till 9 o'clock tonight.</i>

1037
01:13:23,774 --> 01:13:26,360
<i>They will reopen bright</i>
<i>and early tomorrow</i>
<i>morning at 8:00.</i>

1038
01:13:26,443 --> 01:13:28,153
-Have a good day.
-You too.

1039
01:13:29,029 --> 01:13:32,658
It worries me.
We've got a lot of cancer
in this area.

1040
01:13:32,908 --> 01:13:34,118
And then you wonder why.

1041
01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:38,205
[Bilott] <i>This is not just in</i>
<i>West Virginia and Ohio.</i>

1042
01:13:38,497 --> 01:13:42,000
It's been found in drinking
water all over the country.

1043
01:13:42,084 --> 01:13:46,130
[reporter] <i>PFOA have been</i>
<i>turning up in drinking water</i>
<i>in New York state, Vermont.</i>

1044
01:13:46,213 --> 01:13:49,842
There are some new concerns
today over the drinking water
in New Castle, Delaware.

1045
01:13:49,925 --> 01:13:52,511
...the drinking water
in portions of
the Tennessee Valley.

1046
01:13:52,636 --> 01:13:56,223
<i>This is something that affects</i>
<i>everyone all over the country.</i>

1047
01:13:56,807 --> 01:13:59,435
You should be more worried
about people's lives.

1048
01:13:59,518 --> 01:14:01,228
-[people cheering]
-Sorry.

1049
01:14:02,896 --> 01:14:04,523
<i>And then every continent</i>
<i>on the planet.</i>
[speaking Korean]

1050
01:14:06,692 --> 01:14:09,111
[speaking Dutch]

1051
01:14:10,654 --> 01:14:12,448
[speaking Dutch]

1052
01:14:13,365 --> 01:14:14,450
[people cheering]

1053
01:14:16,285 --> 01:14:19,496
[Evers] <i>You have to realize,</i>
<i>the argument that DuPont says,</i>

1054
01:14:19,997 --> 01:14:21,373
"So what?
It's in your blood."

1055
01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:26,587
[In Italian] <i>No contaminated</i>
<i>water!</i>

1056
01:14:28,046 --> 01:14:33,594
<i>And my position would be,</i>
<i>"You have no right</i>
<i>to pollute my blood."</i>

1057
01:14:53,489 --> 01:14:55,616
[Bucky]<i> I was overwhelmingly</i>
<i>disgusted by the findings.</i>

1058
01:14:58,202 --> 01:15:02,247
<i>The science panel came back</i>
<i>and said, "We haven't really</i>
<i>got a complete link</i>

1059
01:15:02,331 --> 01:15:04,082
<i>to your deformities."</i>

1060
01:15:04,833 --> 01:15:07,628
When you look
at the deformities
that these animals had,

1061
01:15:07,711 --> 01:15:09,546
that I had the
same deformities?

1062
01:15:09,630 --> 01:15:12,257
[scoffs] That's
not a coincidence.

1063
01:15:16,887 --> 01:15:20,641
[Cook] <i>You could argue that</i>
<i>Bucky Bailey's birth defects</i>
<i>were not related.</i>

1064
01:15:21,725 --> 01:15:23,352
<i>That the birth defects</i>
<i>of the other child </i>

1065
01:15:23,435 --> 01:15:25,896
<i>in that group of eight children</i>
<i>weren't related.</i>

1066
01:15:26,271 --> 01:15:29,566
And I think DuPont did argue
that, that it can't be proven.

1067
01:15:29,691 --> 01:15:33,487
But the odds of that being
the case are very low.

1068
01:15:33,946 --> 01:15:36,949
You studied eight women
who worked with C-8.

1069
01:15:37,032 --> 01:15:39,326
<i>Two of them had children</i>
<i>with birth defects.</i>

1070
01:15:41,453 --> 01:15:43,288
<i>That would not be significant?</i>

1071
01:15:43,956 --> 01:15:47,709
In the realm
of scientific facts,
this is not considered

1072
01:15:47,793 --> 01:15:50,212
a statistically
significant sample.

1073
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:55,759
[Sue] <i>They said they didn't</i>
<i>have enough information,</i>

1074
01:15:55,842 --> 01:15:57,344
<i>how much information you</i>
<i>have to have</i>
<i>when you got two babies.</i>

1075
01:15:59,388 --> 01:16:00,681
How much do you need?

1076
01:16:02,599 --> 01:16:04,268
[Bucky] <i>How can there not</i>
<i>be a link?</i>

1077
01:16:07,938 --> 01:16:11,942
<i>It's hard for me to stay idle</i>
<i>and say,</i>
<i>"Okay, I accept this."</i>

1078
01:16:12,943 --> 01:16:14,319
<i>I don't wanna accept it.</i>

1079
01:16:25,789 --> 01:16:28,125
[Papantonio]
<i>May it please the court?</i>
<i>Ladies and gentlemen,</i>

1080
01:16:28,333 --> 01:16:30,002
<i>this case breaks down</i>
<i>pretty easily, </i>

1081
01:16:30,085 --> 01:16:32,045
<i>it's not as complicated</i>
<i>as you might think.</i>

1082
01:16:32,504 --> 01:16:34,590
<i>First of all,</i>
<i>one of the issues...</i>

1083
01:16:41,847 --> 01:16:45,434
[reporter] <i>For years now,</i>
<i>it's been argued that</i>
<i>this chemical is poisonous,</i>

1084
01:16:45,517 --> 01:16:48,812
<i>but for the first time today</i>
<i>a jury agreed.</i>

1085
01:16:48,895 --> 01:16:51,064
<i>Putting blame on DuPont.</i>

1086
01:16:52,357 --> 01:16:55,652
<i>A plaintiff in the first case</i>
<i>of a long line of</i>
<i>personal injury wrongful</i>

1087
01:16:55,736 --> 01:17:00,532
<i>death suits against the DuPont</i>
<i>company has been rewarded</i>
<i>$1.6 million.</i>

1088
01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:04,828
[Lerner]<i> It was</i>
<i>definitely a fasten</i>
<i>your seat belt kind of moment.</i>

1089
01:17:05,829 --> 01:17:10,250
DuPont realized the jury saw
things in a different way
then they did.

1090
01:17:10,375 --> 01:17:14,129
[reporter] <i>This case</i>
<i>is the first case against</i>
<i>DuPont that went to court,</i>

1091
01:17:14,254 --> 01:17:17,883
<i>and it's going to cost</i>
<i>them possibly their reputation.</i>

1092
01:17:20,385 --> 01:17:23,555
[Papantonio]
<i>I think everybody</i>
<i>saw the writing on the wall.</i>

1093
01:17:24,306 --> 01:17:26,099
<i>That if we can</i>
<i>win the first case, </i>

1094
01:17:26,683 --> 01:17:28,727
we can win virtually
all of the cases.

1095
01:17:29,436 --> 01:17:33,440
A Federal jury recently awarded
$5.1 million...

1096
01:17:33,607 --> 01:17:37,486
The jury found that DuPont
acted with malice.

1097
01:17:38,528 --> 01:17:42,074
There's no money in the world
they can offer me
that's gonna justify...

1098
01:17:43,533 --> 01:17:44,826
This is a criminal offense.

1099
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:52,668
The CEO's of DuPont are
walking around with their
freedom, untouched.

1100
01:17:55,253 --> 01:17:57,964
[Brooks]
<i>It's like if I go out here</i>
<i>and spray arsenic around,</i>

1101
01:17:58,924 --> 01:18:03,470
<i>and then it gets in people's</i>
<i>water, and they slowly get</i>
<i>poisoned, and they die,</i>

1102
01:18:05,180 --> 01:18:07,516
<i>they'll arrest me and charge</i>
<i>me for murder.</i>

1103
01:18:08,266 --> 01:18:09,601
Then I'll go to jail.

1104
01:18:23,615 --> 01:18:26,076
$16 million?
Really?

1105
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:34,334
<i>This is a company at the time</i>
<i>that was selling $25 billion</i>
<i>worth of products every year.</i>

1106
01:18:37,462 --> 01:18:41,883
I am not sure
what the right fine
would be for contaminating

1107
01:18:41,967 --> 01:18:44,594
humanity, contaminating
the living world.

1108
01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:47,681
But I am pretty sure
it's not $16 million.

1109
01:18:52,477 --> 01:18:59,192
DuPont's big give was
to participate in a gradual
phase out of C-8.

1110
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,702
<i>By 2015, nobody could</i>
<i>make C-8.</i>

1111
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,875
[Bilott]
<i>They say that we're not</i>
<i>gonna stop making Teflon.</i>

1112
01:19:14,958 --> 01:19:18,336
<i>So should we find some</i>
<i>side C-8 to make it with?</i>

1113
01:19:19,379 --> 01:19:21,590
<i>GEN-X is what</i>
<i>they are calling it.</i>

1114
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:29,222
When there is no safety
standard, there is no
required set of tests,

1115
01:19:29,306 --> 01:19:31,767
<i>to bring a chemical to market,</i>

1116
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:36,313
<i>you never know if getting rid</i>
<i>of one chemical is going to</i>
<i>result in bringing in</i>

1117
01:19:36,396 --> 01:19:39,274
<i>a substitute that's just</i>
<i>as bad or worse.</i>

1118
01:19:41,777 --> 01:19:47,115
[Bilott] <i>Once they started</i>
<i>making GEN-X, DuPont</i>
<i>initiated a rat study.</i>

1119
01:19:49,367 --> 01:19:53,705
And the results showed
the same kind of tumors
that we saw with PFOA.

1120
01:20:14,226 --> 01:20:15,685
[baby gurgling]

1121
01:20:16,478 --> 01:20:20,190
Wow! Hello!

1122
01:20:21,107 --> 01:20:23,610
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

1123
01:20:23,693 --> 01:20:24,861
[baby laughing]

1124
01:20:24,945 --> 01:20:26,905
You're handsome.
You're handsome.

1125
01:20:27,364 --> 01:20:31,910
[Bucky] <i>I'll never forget it,</i>
<i>sitting in that pre-op</i>
<i>and just thinking,</i>

1126
01:20:32,786 --> 01:20:35,664
<i>you know, "What's my reaction</i>
<i>going to be when I see him?"</i>

1127
01:20:41,253 --> 01:20:46,049
<i>The first time I saw him,</i>
<i>they were cleaning him up,</i>
<i>they called me over.</i>

1128
01:20:47,092 --> 01:20:50,554
And I'm thinking to myself,
"Please, Lord, I know this
is gonna be okay.

1129
01:20:50,637 --> 01:20:51,930
I know this is gonna be okay.

1130
01:20:52,556 --> 01:20:53,723
But what if it's not okay?"

1131
01:20:56,226 --> 01:20:58,228
[baby cries]

1132
01:21:04,568 --> 01:21:07,028
<i>That cry I just knew he was...</i>

1133
01:21:07,487 --> 01:21:10,699
<i>His first cry,</i>
<i>I knew I was a dad.</i>

1134
01:21:12,951 --> 01:21:15,412
<i>It changed my life.</i>
<i>It really did.</i>

1135
01:21:41,730 --> 01:21:43,440
<i>His eyes are closed</i>
<i>but he's smiling.</i>

1136
01:21:43,523 --> 01:21:46,276
This is heaven
right here for me.
This is awesome.

1137
01:21:57,746 --> 01:22:00,707
<i>This is not something that</i>
<i>I should have to have</i>
<i>concerns about,</i>

1138
01:22:00,790 --> 01:22:02,083
<i>for years and years and years.</i>

1139
01:22:02,167 --> 01:22:05,211
<i>That my son can have</i>
<i>a deformity because</i>
<i>of some water,</i>

1140
01:22:05,462 --> 01:22:08,089
<i>or some chemical that</i>
<i>got in my blood.</i>

1141
01:22:11,301 --> 01:22:12,469
<i>It's not over yet.</i>

1142
01:22:17,766 --> 01:22:19,267
<i>This isn't the end.</i>

1143
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,271
<i>We're gonna fight till</i>
<i>everyone is safe.</i>

1144
01:22:25,523 --> 01:22:26,775
[laughing]

1145
01:22:30,904 --> 01:22:35,033
<i>I don't know what C-8 does</i>
<i>with lifelong exposure,</i>

1146
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:37,494
but changes have to be made.

1147
01:22:43,667 --> 01:22:48,004
[Cook] <i>We don't have</i>
<i>the science yet to explain</i>
<i>long term exposure.</i>

1148
01:22:48,505 --> 01:22:52,384
<i>But we're just beginning</i>
<i>to understand all kinds</i>
<i>of new risks.</i>

1149
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:58,932
<i>At very low levels this</i>
<i>Teflon chemistry can</i>
<i>affect the immune system.</i>

1150
01:22:59,015 --> 01:23:01,226
<i>They can have impacts</i>
<i>on the nervous system.</i>

1151
01:23:01,309 --> 01:23:06,356
<i>They can have impacts</i>
<i>on how we metabolize</i>
<i>various food nutrients.</i>

1152
01:23:06,523 --> 01:23:07,649
<i>On and on and on.</i>

1153
01:23:09,985 --> 01:23:13,363
[Bilott]<i> If a person is exposed</i>
<i>to C-8 on day one,</i>

1154
01:23:13,780 --> 01:23:17,242
<i>they may not manifest</i>
<i>disease for years.</i>

1155
01:23:17,909 --> 01:23:23,164
<i>Children for example, we're</i>
<i>starting to see them become ill</i>
<i>with latent kinds of disease.</i>

1156
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:30,964
[Lerner] <i>We don't know how</i>
<i>it will affect people</i>
<i>for years to come,</i>

1157
01:23:31,047 --> 01:23:33,049
<i>because we're just figuring out</i>
<i>what it is, </i>

1158
01:23:33,174 --> 01:23:35,927
<i>scientists are just</i>
<i>catching up with it.</i>

1159
01:23:36,845 --> 01:23:40,515
<i>And as they are doing this,</i>
<i>they've already phased in</i>
<i>the replacement.</i>

1160
01:23:44,811 --> 01:23:46,062
<i>So that's already out there.</i>

1161
01:23:49,441 --> 01:23:52,318
<i>You can see from this story,</i>
<i>from this vantage point</i>

1162
01:23:52,694 --> 01:23:54,362
<i>that it almost goes on forever.</i>

1163
01:23:54,988 --> 01:23:58,533
[reporter 1] <i>Drinking water in</i>
<i>North Carolina is being tested</i>

1164
01:23:58,616 --> 01:24:01,161
<i>for a toxic substance called</i>
<i>GEN-X.</i>

1165
01:24:01,244 --> 01:24:04,581
<i>It turned up recently</i>
<i>in the Cape Fear River.</i>

1166
01:24:04,664 --> 01:24:09,419
[reporter 2] <i>GEN-X is the</i>
<i>replacement chemical being</i>
<i>used for Teflon production,</i>

1167
01:24:09,502 --> 01:24:13,465
<i>after DuPont was found to be</i>
<i>using a previous toxic</i>
<i>chemical...</i>

1168
01:24:14,382 --> 01:24:15,800
[reporter 3] <i>DuPont did stop</i>
<i>using C-8, </i>

1169
01:24:15,884 --> 01:24:18,261
<i>but they've just replaced</i>
<i>one poison with another.</i>