1 00:00:15,416 --> 00:00:16,684 [Announcer] The following program 2 00:00:16,684 --> 00:00:19,220 contains allegations of sexual abuse 3 00:00:19,220 --> 00:00:21,189 that some viewers may find disturbing. 4 00:00:22,956 --> 00:00:26,360 (photographers chatting) 5 00:00:27,695 --> 00:00:29,130 - [Narrator] Harvey Weinstein sat atop Hollywood 6 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:31,832 as one of the most successful and respected 7 00:00:31,832 --> 00:00:33,634 movie producers in history. 8 00:00:35,103 --> 00:00:37,771 But beneath the money and the fame was a monster, 9 00:00:37,771 --> 00:00:40,208 hiding a dark and disturbing secret. 10 00:00:41,342 --> 00:00:44,145 - So hot, that place, and so sexy. 11 00:00:44,145 --> 00:00:45,913 You just get crazy thoughts there. 12 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:50,017 (dramatic music) 13 00:00:50,017 --> 00:00:52,486 - [Narrator] The truth cannot be hidden away forever, 14 00:00:52,486 --> 00:00:54,388 and in Hollywood, when the movies end 15 00:00:54,388 --> 00:00:56,023 and the credits roll, 16 00:00:56,023 --> 00:00:59,360 the reality can be even more terrifying 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,794 than you could ever imagine. 18 00:01:01,995 --> 00:01:03,664 (dramatic music) 19 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:05,065 - She's good, really good, she's good, she's wonderful. 20 00:01:05,065 --> 00:01:07,968 - [Interviewer] She's got real charisma 21 00:01:07,968 --> 00:01:09,002 and a presence about her. 22 00:01:09,002 --> 00:01:10,838 - She does, she certainly does. 23 00:01:10,838 --> 00:01:13,574 (dramatic music) 24 00:01:15,008 --> 00:01:15,909 (somber music) 25 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:17,311 - People believe in you, 26 00:01:20,148 --> 00:01:21,782 and it's not been fair 27 00:01:21,782 --> 00:01:23,917 that you've used the power, 28 00:01:25,286 --> 00:01:27,388 the gift that you have, you've turned 29 00:01:27,388 --> 00:01:29,657 it into such a corruption to take 30 00:01:29,657 --> 00:01:31,525 advantage of other people. 31 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:35,429 - I had created a safeguard of how 32 00:01:35,429 --> 00:01:37,398 I could avoid those situations, 33 00:01:37,398 --> 00:01:42,336 and I never was in a hotel room with him alone again. 34 00:01:43,804 --> 00:01:45,806 - You're meeting with a very powerful guy in Hollywood 35 00:01:45,806 --> 00:01:48,942 that makes a lot of actress's careers happen, 36 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:51,412 so when he said to go to the Peninsula, 37 00:01:51,412 --> 00:01:54,114 I just thought, that's a bar, so fine. 38 00:01:55,082 --> 00:01:57,485 So we met at the bar there, 39 00:01:57,485 --> 00:01:59,353 and we talked for a few minutes, 40 00:01:59,353 --> 00:02:00,821 and then he didn't really ask me, 41 00:02:00,821 --> 00:02:03,924 he just said, "We're going upstairs to my room." 42 00:02:03,924 --> 00:02:05,893 And I didn't really know how to take that. 43 00:02:05,893 --> 00:02:08,529 I'm like, "What do you, I'm just?" 44 00:02:08,529 --> 00:02:12,866 I didn't know how to say no to someone like him at the time, 45 00:02:12,866 --> 00:02:13,801 which I regret. 46 00:02:14,802 --> 00:02:16,036 - The next thing I knew, 47 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:21,975 he had unzipped his fly and pulled out his penis. 48 00:02:21,975 --> 00:02:24,578 (dramatic music) 49 00:02:24,578 --> 00:02:26,247 My heart started pounding. 50 00:02:27,948 --> 00:02:29,717 My mind started racing. 51 00:02:30,651 --> 00:02:32,720 How do I deal with this? 52 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,655 How do I get out of this? 53 00:02:34,655 --> 00:02:36,457 Am I going to get out of this? 54 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:39,360 How is this happening? 55 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,263 He then grabbed my hand and pulled me towards him, 56 00:02:43,664 --> 00:02:46,867 and forced my hand onto his penis and held it there. 57 00:02:48,802 --> 00:02:53,073 He said, "Name anyone, any actress you can think of 58 00:02:53,073 --> 00:02:54,608 "and this is how they made it." 59 00:02:55,876 --> 00:02:57,678 I have told parts of this story 60 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:01,382 to only a very few people over the years. 61 00:03:04,552 --> 00:03:06,820 I felt so powerless 62 00:03:08,121 --> 00:03:11,058 because he is, after all, very powerful, 63 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:15,463 and very well known and very successful. 64 00:03:15,463 --> 00:03:18,198 (dramatic music) 65 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,470 I didn't think anyone would believe me. 66 00:03:23,871 --> 00:03:24,972 I was nobody. 67 00:03:26,507 --> 00:03:27,775 Why would they? 68 00:03:29,243 --> 00:03:32,012 (dramatic music) 69 00:03:43,824 --> 00:03:46,660 - [Narrator] New York City 1979. 70 00:03:46,660 --> 00:03:48,729 Two brothers, having successfully built 71 00:03:48,729 --> 00:03:50,398 a concert promotion business, 72 00:03:50,398 --> 00:03:53,701 decide to gamble on a new business venture together. 73 00:03:53,701 --> 00:03:56,236 They set up a small, independent film distribution 74 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:58,539 company called Miramax. 75 00:03:58,539 --> 00:04:00,874 - Harvey thinks that he was in an alternate reality 76 00:04:00,874 --> 00:04:02,343 actually, he thinks he's gonna wake up 77 00:04:02,343 --> 00:04:04,177 and this is not the real thing. 78 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:08,181 - [Narrator] In just a few short years, 79 00:04:08,181 --> 00:04:10,451 Miramax would grow to become one of the biggest 80 00:04:10,451 --> 00:04:12,586 players in the entertainment industry, 81 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:14,154 and Harvey and Bob Weinstein 82 00:04:14,154 --> 00:04:16,189 would become household names. 83 00:04:16,189 --> 00:04:18,392 (dramatic music) 84 00:04:18,392 --> 00:04:20,528 - Harvey Weinstein has been a mogul 85 00:04:20,528 --> 00:04:23,030 in the entertainment industry for decades 86 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:25,198 and it really started in independent film, 87 00:04:25,198 --> 00:04:27,067 and I think that's where a lot of people 88 00:04:27,067 --> 00:04:29,403 got to know him and his brother Bob 89 00:04:29,403 --> 00:04:31,705 from Miramax, the film company, 90 00:04:31,705 --> 00:04:33,206 and especially in the 90s 91 00:04:33,206 --> 00:04:36,076 when independent film was just absolutely everything, 92 00:04:36,076 --> 00:04:39,813 they started to get more and more power in Hollywood. 93 00:04:39,813 --> 00:04:42,316 Their company was eventually bought by Disney, 94 00:04:42,316 --> 00:04:44,017 and of course that brought them more money, 95 00:04:44,017 --> 00:04:47,254 more power, and I think that allure, 96 00:04:47,254 --> 00:04:49,690 having a film made by Miramax, made by Disney, 97 00:04:49,690 --> 00:04:51,425 was a really big deal. 98 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,329 - Harvey Weinstein was someone. 99 00:04:55,329 --> 00:04:56,730 He was this kid from Queens, New York, 100 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:57,965 him and his brother. 101 00:04:57,965 --> 00:05:00,300 They started off as concert promoters. 102 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:03,070 Harvey always had his plan in place. 103 00:05:03,070 --> 00:05:06,173 He wanted to be a huge Hollywood player, 104 00:05:06,173 --> 00:05:07,140 and he became that. 105 00:05:08,075 --> 00:05:09,977 - Miramax became especially known 106 00:05:09,977 --> 00:05:12,713 for their Oscar pushes for films. 107 00:05:12,713 --> 00:05:14,782 They were the studio that if you wanted 108 00:05:14,782 --> 00:05:16,517 to hold up that gold statue, 109 00:05:16,517 --> 00:05:19,152 at the end of the season that you should go to, 110 00:05:19,152 --> 00:05:22,055 so they had countless hits including 111 00:05:22,055 --> 00:05:24,191 Pulp Fiction, Shakespeare in Love, 112 00:05:24,191 --> 00:05:26,293 and through those they allowed 113 00:05:26,293 --> 00:05:27,661 their actors and actresses 114 00:05:27,661 --> 00:05:30,097 to say, "Thank you" to the Academy. 115 00:05:30,097 --> 00:05:31,665 - I'm one of those kids from Brooklyn and Queens 116 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:32,966 who used to watch the Oscars 117 00:05:32,966 --> 00:05:35,369 and root and cheer and had dreams, 118 00:05:35,369 --> 00:05:37,270 and I just wanted to dedicate this 119 00:05:37,270 --> 00:05:39,707 as everybody does, mine, anyhow, 120 00:05:39,707 --> 00:05:41,575 to all those kids out there, 121 00:05:41,575 --> 00:05:43,176 and tell 'em to break the rules. 122 00:05:44,512 --> 00:05:46,113 - [Narrator] Miramax spearheaded some of the most 123 00:05:46,113 --> 00:05:48,115 successful films of their time. 124 00:05:48,115 --> 00:05:50,150 Pulp Fiction in 1994, 125 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:52,386 Good Will Hunting in 1997, 126 00:05:52,386 --> 00:05:55,456 and Shakespeare in Love in 1998. 127 00:05:55,456 --> 00:05:58,726 Their might in the industry was evidential, 128 00:05:58,726 --> 00:06:01,595 recognized in their countless Oscars and accolades. 129 00:06:01,595 --> 00:06:04,297 (dramatic music) 130 00:06:04,297 --> 00:06:06,400 - Harvey was never liked. 131 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,768 People feared him. 132 00:06:07,768 --> 00:06:09,236 People wanted to work with him, 133 00:06:09,236 --> 00:06:11,338 people wanted him to put them on screen, 134 00:06:11,338 --> 00:06:12,606 to get them an Oscar, 135 00:06:12,606 --> 00:06:15,643 and he literally bought Oscars for everybody. 136 00:06:15,643 --> 00:06:17,611 No one to this day can explain 137 00:06:17,611 --> 00:06:21,114 how Shakespeare in Love beat Saving Private Ryan 138 00:06:21,114 --> 00:06:23,517 for Academy Award for Best Picture. 139 00:06:23,517 --> 00:06:24,418 The reason? 140 00:06:24,418 --> 00:06:25,753 Harvey Weinstein. 141 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:28,489 And the same guy who is powerful enough 142 00:06:28,489 --> 00:06:30,524 to beat Steven Spielberg 143 00:06:30,524 --> 00:06:33,694 as best picture was powerful enough 144 00:06:33,694 --> 00:06:36,129 to shut up any actress, 145 00:06:36,129 --> 00:06:38,365 any starlet who complained about 146 00:06:38,365 --> 00:06:41,101 the fact that he wanted to get naked with her. 147 00:06:41,101 --> 00:06:43,571 (dramatic music) 148 00:06:43,571 --> 00:06:46,006 - To be cast in a Miramax movie or Weinstein Company movie, 149 00:06:46,006 --> 00:06:48,509 that's huge, that's big, 150 00:06:48,509 --> 00:06:50,978 especially for someone who's just starting out. 151 00:06:52,112 --> 00:06:54,748 Harvey was seen as someone who championed 152 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:57,718 these smaller films, 153 00:06:57,718 --> 00:06:59,152 more artistic. 154 00:06:59,152 --> 00:07:02,990 He was an actor's producer, a director's producer 155 00:07:02,990 --> 00:07:05,392 for more refined tastes, 156 00:07:05,392 --> 00:07:10,397 so to be cast in a Miramax movie, 157 00:07:12,132 --> 00:07:14,367 to know that Harvey was behind you, 158 00:07:15,803 --> 00:07:19,640 it was a great badge of honor in this town. 159 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,010 To know that Harvey Weinstein was pushing you 160 00:07:23,010 --> 00:07:25,713 for an award for an Oscar. 161 00:07:25,713 --> 00:07:29,550 You couldn't have asked for a better strategist. 162 00:07:31,985 --> 00:07:34,087 - [Narrator] In 2005, Harvey and Bob 163 00:07:34,087 --> 00:07:36,189 left Miramax and formed their own company, 164 00:07:36,189 --> 00:07:37,525 The Weinstein Company. 165 00:07:40,060 --> 00:07:40,994 (dramatic music) 166 00:07:40,994 --> 00:07:42,730 - Well, Miramax, unfortunately, 167 00:07:42,730 --> 00:07:43,997 we don't have the name, 168 00:07:43,997 --> 00:07:45,699 but I think with directors 169 00:07:45,699 --> 00:07:47,601 like Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez, 170 00:07:47,601 --> 00:07:50,403 Anthony Minghella, John Madden, Marty Scorsese, 171 00:07:50,403 --> 00:07:52,472 all coming with the new company, 172 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:54,274 it's sort of the ongoing business 173 00:07:54,274 --> 00:07:56,977 without Mom and Dad's name. 174 00:07:56,977 --> 00:07:58,812 We still own the name Dimension, 175 00:07:58,812 --> 00:08:01,281 and if anybody can come up with a better name 176 00:08:01,281 --> 00:08:03,450 than The Weinstein Company, we're all ears. 177 00:08:03,450 --> 00:08:05,719 (laughing) 178 00:08:05,719 --> 00:08:07,621 - Nothing's better than the Weinstein brothers, 179 00:08:07,621 --> 00:08:09,022 so the name is great. 180 00:08:09,022 --> 00:08:10,323 (laughing) 181 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:11,759 (dramatic music) 182 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:13,326 - I got to thinking about 183 00:08:14,895 --> 00:08:17,898 what a great producer he is 184 00:08:17,898 --> 00:08:20,233 and what it takes 185 00:08:20,233 --> 00:08:23,671 to be such a great producer. 186 00:08:24,672 --> 00:08:26,740 'Cause I've made so many movies 187 00:08:26,740 --> 00:08:28,141 and I've worked with so many different 188 00:08:28,141 --> 00:08:29,777 kind of producers. 189 00:08:29,777 --> 00:08:32,746 And really, to be a great producer takes such heart. 190 00:08:34,014 --> 00:08:38,586 To really put such love and care 191 00:08:38,586 --> 00:08:43,591 and guts and balls into really making 192 00:08:44,457 --> 00:08:45,492 a movie come together. 193 00:08:45,492 --> 00:08:46,827 It takes so much. 194 00:08:46,827 --> 00:08:49,529 You have to fight tooth and nail 195 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:51,398 to make a movie really come together 196 00:08:51,398 --> 00:08:53,867 in the way that Harvey's made so many great movies 197 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:55,869 over all these years, 198 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:58,972 and to have him stand up for his artists 199 00:08:58,972 --> 00:09:00,641 and for the scripts, 200 00:09:00,641 --> 00:09:03,844 and for making those movies come together. 201 00:09:03,844 --> 00:09:08,849 Harvey is an unbelievably astonishing killer producer 202 00:09:10,217 --> 00:09:13,453 and his love for that and for his people 203 00:09:13,453 --> 00:09:16,123 is just legendary, 204 00:09:16,123 --> 00:09:17,457 and I just want you to know 205 00:09:19,593 --> 00:09:23,964 Miriam, your mom, who I know 206 00:09:23,964 --> 00:09:25,866 has raised a really good son 207 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:28,769 and I'm proud of you Harvey. 208 00:09:28,769 --> 00:09:31,672 (applause) 209 00:09:31,672 --> 00:09:33,006 And I mean that. 210 00:09:34,474 --> 00:09:36,176 So thank you. 211 00:09:36,176 --> 00:09:38,946 (dramatic music) 212 00:09:40,347 --> 00:09:43,250 - Winning the best picture helps make the night go great, 213 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:44,718 and best actor didn't hurt 214 00:09:44,718 --> 00:09:46,119 and best director didn't hurt that 215 00:09:46,119 --> 00:09:48,088 and screenplay wasn't bad either, 216 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:49,256 so it was pretty great. 217 00:09:50,423 --> 00:09:51,625 - [Interviewer] At this point in your career, 218 00:09:51,625 --> 00:09:52,660 do these things still surprise you? 219 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:53,661 Are you-- 220 00:09:53,661 --> 00:09:55,162 - I loved it, it's fun. 221 00:09:55,162 --> 00:09:56,396 Come on, I've been loving this since you're a kid. 222 00:09:56,396 --> 00:09:59,499 It's like the world series for guys, okay? 223 00:09:59,499 --> 00:10:00,768 (dramatic music) 224 00:10:00,768 --> 00:10:03,236 - [Narrator] Harvey seemed unstoppable, 225 00:10:03,236 --> 00:10:06,106 but on October fifth, 2017, 226 00:10:06,106 --> 00:10:08,909 his empire would come crashing down. 227 00:10:08,909 --> 00:10:11,645 (dramatic music) 228 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:14,547 The New York Times published a comprehensive 229 00:10:14,547 --> 00:10:17,017 investigation, exposing a horrific string 230 00:10:17,017 --> 00:10:20,921 of sexual, predatory behavior and abuse allegations 231 00:10:20,921 --> 00:10:24,557 by the most powerful man in Hollywood, Harvey Weinstein. 232 00:10:24,557 --> 00:10:25,859 (dramatic music) 233 00:10:25,859 --> 00:10:28,261 The allegations span three decades 234 00:10:28,261 --> 00:10:31,732 and disclosed instances of indecent exposure, 235 00:10:31,732 --> 00:10:36,069 inappropriate touching, non-consensual advances 236 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:37,738 and rape. 237 00:10:37,738 --> 00:10:39,807 - What happened with Harvey, 238 00:10:39,807 --> 00:10:41,675 we all knew he was a bully, 239 00:10:41,675 --> 00:10:43,276 and bully's putting it lightly. 240 00:10:43,276 --> 00:10:44,845 Bully sort of 241 00:10:46,213 --> 00:10:48,015 encompasses everything now, 242 00:10:48,015 --> 00:10:51,284 from simple name calling to physical attacks, 243 00:10:51,284 --> 00:10:53,486 but he was mean. 244 00:10:53,486 --> 00:10:55,588 He was degrading. 245 00:10:55,588 --> 00:10:58,525 He had no problem calling someone stupid, 246 00:10:58,525 --> 00:11:03,063 dumb, throwing things at people, flipping tables. 247 00:11:03,063 --> 00:11:04,798 Everyone knew what he was. 248 00:11:04,798 --> 00:11:07,267 This is again, this is not a surprise. 249 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:12,272 We all knew what a monster he was. 250 00:11:13,741 --> 00:11:15,275 - [Narrator] In response to the New York Times article, 251 00:11:15,275 --> 00:11:18,445 Mr. Weinstein issued the following statement. 252 00:11:18,445 --> 00:11:21,481 I appreciate the way I've behaved with colleagues 253 00:11:21,481 --> 00:11:24,184 in the past has caused a lot of pain, 254 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:26,519 and I sincerely apologize for it. 255 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:28,221 Though I'm trying to do better, 256 00:11:28,221 --> 00:11:30,924 I know I have a long way to go. 257 00:11:30,924 --> 00:11:33,026 - When The New York Times broke the story, 258 00:11:34,227 --> 00:11:36,396 it wasn't the first time a news outlet had tried. 259 00:11:36,396 --> 00:11:38,031 New York Magazine, New York Times, 260 00:11:38,031 --> 00:11:41,168 both had tried in the past to do a piece 261 00:11:41,168 --> 00:11:44,171 about Harvey Weinstein and all the rumors, 262 00:11:44,171 --> 00:11:45,773 both times they were scuppered 263 00:11:45,773 --> 00:11:49,376 by Harvey's team of legal eagles 264 00:11:49,376 --> 00:11:53,613 who threatened and called up and screamed 265 00:11:53,613 --> 00:11:56,149 and pulled out all these reasons why 266 00:11:56,149 --> 00:11:59,152 they were gonna sue if the stories went public. 267 00:11:59,152 --> 00:12:02,856 When The New York Times actually published the piece, 268 00:12:02,856 --> 00:12:05,625 I believe that it was their thorough reporting 269 00:12:05,625 --> 00:12:08,896 and also the willingness of a respectable actress 270 00:12:08,896 --> 00:12:11,999 such as Ashley Judd to go on the record 271 00:12:11,999 --> 00:12:14,434 about what had happened to her, 272 00:12:14,434 --> 00:12:18,505 which gave it believability and credibility. 273 00:12:18,505 --> 00:12:20,307 (dramatic music) 274 00:12:20,307 --> 00:12:21,608 - [Narrator] Actress Ashley Judd 275 00:12:21,608 --> 00:12:23,176 was one of the first women to publicly 276 00:12:23,176 --> 00:12:24,511 recount her ordeal. 277 00:12:24,511 --> 00:12:26,579 She stated that over two decades ago, 278 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:28,515 she met Mr. Weinstein in his suite 279 00:12:28,515 --> 00:12:30,717 at the Peninsula Beverly Hills hotel 280 00:12:30,717 --> 00:12:33,253 for what she thought would be a breakfast meeting. 281 00:12:33,253 --> 00:12:36,256 Once she arrived, Harvey allegedly pestered her 282 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:38,225 repeatedly for a massage 283 00:12:38,225 --> 00:12:40,393 and then attempted to move her into the bathroom 284 00:12:40,393 --> 00:12:43,430 so that she could watch him shower. 285 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:46,133 Judd immediately told her agent, Michelle Bohan, 286 00:12:46,133 --> 00:12:48,869 but was helpless to take any further action. 287 00:12:50,070 --> 00:12:51,771 - Ashley Judd's sit down with Diane Sawyer 288 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:53,573 is incredibly powerful. 289 00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:58,545 In great part because she is a truly evolved human being. 290 00:13:00,547 --> 00:13:02,983 She talks about her belief in a loving God, 291 00:13:02,983 --> 00:13:05,118 and at the very end she says, 292 00:13:05,118 --> 00:13:08,956 "I believe that Harvey Weinstein deserves forgiveness. 293 00:13:08,956 --> 00:13:12,225 "He deserves a chance, he deserves to be loved." 294 00:13:12,225 --> 00:13:15,095 And it was so gracious 295 00:13:15,095 --> 00:13:18,331 that it just leaves with your mouth agape, 296 00:13:18,331 --> 00:13:20,500 at how she could be so polite, 297 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:21,835 how she could be so forgiving, 298 00:13:21,835 --> 00:13:23,837 how she could be so kind 299 00:13:23,837 --> 00:13:28,675 to a man who is without a question a complete monster. 300 00:13:28,675 --> 00:13:29,910 (dramatic music) 301 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:34,047 - I wish I could prevent it for anyone always. 302 00:13:34,047 --> 00:13:35,849 I don't know that I would have been believed 303 00:13:35,849 --> 00:13:38,251 and who was I to tell? 304 00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:41,721 - I first heard the name Zelda as Harvey's assistant 305 00:13:41,721 --> 00:13:43,723 about 10 years ago, 306 00:13:43,723 --> 00:13:46,093 way before this happened. 307 00:13:46,093 --> 00:13:49,629 She had signed an NDA but she was a friend of a friend 308 00:13:49,629 --> 00:13:52,532 and I had heard through that friend 309 00:13:52,532 --> 00:13:56,636 that some very unpalatable things had happened 310 00:13:56,636 --> 00:13:59,439 during her time at Miramax, which is why she left. 311 00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:00,707 She was not happy, 312 00:14:00,707 --> 00:14:04,677 and she was disturbed by a lot of it, 313 00:14:04,677 --> 00:14:06,679 and then, of course, you fast forward 314 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,615 to the scandal breaking 315 00:14:08,615 --> 00:14:11,318 and Zelda, very bravely, decided to come forward 316 00:14:11,318 --> 00:14:15,088 against the terms of her NDA and speak her truth, 317 00:14:15,088 --> 00:14:18,291 and I think what I found most insightful 318 00:14:18,291 --> 00:14:20,027 about what Zelda had to say 319 00:14:20,027 --> 00:14:23,496 was to try and explain how this happened. 320 00:14:23,496 --> 00:14:26,333 Everybody can read about this and think, 321 00:14:26,333 --> 00:14:28,235 "Well, why did they go in his hotel room? 322 00:14:28,235 --> 00:14:30,370 "And why did they allow themselves 323 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:32,572 "to get in this position?" 324 00:14:32,572 --> 00:14:34,407 And you can judge and criticize, 325 00:14:34,407 --> 00:14:36,176 but what Zelda explained was look, 326 00:14:36,176 --> 00:14:39,346 Harvey regularly did meetings in his hotel room. 327 00:14:39,346 --> 00:14:41,014 He had a suite, he always had a suite, 328 00:14:41,014 --> 00:14:42,249 so there was a living room, 329 00:14:42,249 --> 00:14:45,285 so male and female industry players 330 00:14:45,285 --> 00:14:47,520 went up to his room and he took meetings there. 331 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,888 Male directors, male agents, 332 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:51,224 they sat in the suite and they took meetings, 333 00:14:51,224 --> 00:14:53,760 so for Ashley Judd to go up to his hotel suite 334 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,031 was not her doing anything 335 00:14:58,031 --> 00:15:01,534 that other people and men hadn't done previously. 336 00:15:01,534 --> 00:15:03,403 Harvey took meetings in his room. 337 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:06,306 Zelda also went on to explain 338 00:15:06,306 --> 00:15:08,141 that the position he was in, 339 00:15:08,141 --> 00:15:09,709 how much power he had, 340 00:15:09,709 --> 00:15:11,411 how attractive that was. 341 00:15:11,411 --> 00:15:13,580 People wanted his attention. 342 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:15,282 People wanted to take meetings with him. 343 00:15:15,282 --> 00:15:17,717 People wanted to be around him. 344 00:15:17,717 --> 00:15:21,554 He used, abused, and manipulated this power, 345 00:15:21,554 --> 00:15:24,391 but it's undeniable that he had that power. 346 00:15:24,391 --> 00:15:26,659 The reason he was able to get away 347 00:15:26,659 --> 00:15:28,528 with so much of this is because 348 00:15:28,528 --> 00:15:31,164 people were afraid to turn him down. 349 00:15:31,164 --> 00:15:33,200 Harvey wants to see you in his hotel suite, 350 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,467 of course, you're thinking, 351 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:35,802 "Maybe I can get a job. 352 00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:37,937 "Maybe he'll cast me in his next movie." 353 00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:42,642 It was a very difficult decision to make 354 00:15:42,642 --> 00:15:45,112 and a lot of actresses who are now speaking out 355 00:15:45,112 --> 00:15:48,215 saying that they went up to his room 356 00:15:48,215 --> 00:15:50,317 and he was naked, he was in his bathrobe, 357 00:15:50,317 --> 00:15:51,784 he asked for a naked massage. 358 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:53,953 He wanted to watch him shower. 359 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:56,789 Were horrified, horrified and shocked, 360 00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:59,759 but the hotel room thing, 361 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:02,829 Zelda very clearly explains 362 00:16:02,829 --> 00:16:04,897 was something that everybody did. 363 00:16:04,897 --> 00:16:06,533 It wasn't just women, 364 00:16:06,533 --> 00:16:08,001 but the women of course were the ones 365 00:16:08,001 --> 00:16:09,069 who were preyed upon. 366 00:16:09,902 --> 00:16:12,672 (dramatic music) 367 00:16:17,177 --> 00:16:20,180 (suspenseful music) 368 00:16:22,349 --> 00:16:24,017 - [Narrator] Actress Rose McGowan accused 369 00:16:24,017 --> 00:16:26,186 Harvey Weinstein of raping her 370 00:16:26,186 --> 00:16:29,789 at the 1997 Sundance Film Festival. 371 00:16:29,789 --> 00:16:32,759 She also claimed that Amazon Studios 372 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:35,095 knew about the incident and yet neglected 373 00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:37,130 to act accordingly. 374 00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:40,267 - In 1997, Rose McGowan attended the Sundance 375 00:16:40,267 --> 00:16:42,702 Film Festival along with Ben Affleck 376 00:16:42,702 --> 00:16:45,372 and Matt Damon and Harvey Weinstein. 377 00:16:45,372 --> 00:16:47,207 There was an incident that happened 378 00:16:47,207 --> 00:16:50,577 in the hotel suite on the top floor 379 00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:54,414 where Harvey Weinstein, according to Rose, raped her. 380 00:16:54,414 --> 00:16:57,617 This is something that Rose is talking about 381 00:16:57,617 --> 00:16:59,886 in her book, Brave, where she details 382 00:16:59,886 --> 00:17:03,690 her experience at the hands of the Hollywood monster. 383 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:05,358 What's further disturbing 384 00:17:05,358 --> 00:17:08,061 is that Rose came down the next day 385 00:17:08,061 --> 00:17:11,064 and told, according to her, Ben Affleck 386 00:17:11,064 --> 00:17:13,766 and Matt Damon, what Harvey had done to her, 387 00:17:13,766 --> 00:17:17,170 and the reaction was to, 388 00:17:17,170 --> 00:17:20,407 "Oh, I told him to stop doing that." 389 00:17:20,407 --> 00:17:22,609 It wasn't, "Call the police. 390 00:17:22,609 --> 00:17:25,745 "What can we do to help? 391 00:17:25,745 --> 00:17:28,615 "Let's call a lawyer. 392 00:17:28,615 --> 00:17:29,882 "Let's prosecute him." 393 00:17:29,882 --> 00:17:32,285 It was, "I told him to stop doing that." 394 00:17:32,285 --> 00:17:35,021 It was shrugged off, it was minimized, 395 00:17:35,021 --> 00:17:36,889 it was brushed off, 396 00:17:36,889 --> 00:17:39,292 and as Rose says now 397 00:17:39,292 --> 00:17:41,494 that experience in that hotel room 398 00:17:41,494 --> 00:17:44,564 has been strapped to her back for 20 years. 399 00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:47,300 (dramatic music) 400 00:17:55,808 --> 00:17:57,677 - [Narrator] McGowan has previously said 401 00:17:57,677 --> 00:17:59,512 she was not supported by her management 402 00:17:59,512 --> 00:18:01,948 at the time of the alleged attack. 403 00:18:01,948 --> 00:18:04,984 Jill Messick represented McGowan in 1997 404 00:18:04,984 --> 00:18:08,855 when the actress alleged she was raped by Harvey Weinstein. 405 00:18:08,855 --> 00:18:11,057 Since the claims have come forward, 406 00:18:11,057 --> 00:18:13,393 Jill Messick tragically took her own life. 407 00:18:14,394 --> 00:18:15,695 Messick's family confirmed 408 00:18:15,695 --> 00:18:18,498 that she was used as collateral damage 409 00:18:18,498 --> 00:18:20,133 in the Weinstein case. 410 00:18:20,133 --> 00:18:21,968 This came after Weinstein's lawyer 411 00:18:21,968 --> 00:18:23,870 published an email from Messick 412 00:18:23,870 --> 00:18:26,139 to help deny McGowan's claims, 413 00:18:26,139 --> 00:18:29,642 describing the incident as consensual. 414 00:18:29,642 --> 00:18:32,379 (dramatic music) 415 00:18:34,046 --> 00:18:35,648 - Everybody knew about Harvey Weinstein. 416 00:18:35,648 --> 00:18:37,284 Everybody knew about his behavior, 417 00:18:37,284 --> 00:18:39,386 yet nobody did anything. 418 00:18:39,386 --> 00:18:41,188 That made it almost impossible 419 00:18:41,188 --> 00:18:43,456 for anybody to come forward 420 00:18:43,456 --> 00:18:45,592 and make any accusations, 421 00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:47,894 so, for instance, a video surfaced 422 00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:51,764 of Courtney Love saying how to get on in Hollywood 423 00:18:51,764 --> 00:18:54,201 and what to do and what to avoid in Hollywood, 424 00:18:54,201 --> 00:18:55,668 and she said, "If you get asked 425 00:18:55,668 --> 00:18:57,470 "to go into a private party by Harvey Weinstein 426 00:18:57,470 --> 00:19:00,039 "at the Four Seasons hotel, decline it." 427 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:01,241 - [Interviewer] Do you have any advice 428 00:19:01,241 --> 00:19:03,042 for a young girl moving to Hollywood? 429 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:08,681 - I'll get libeled if I said it. 430 00:19:08,681 --> 00:19:10,183 If Harvey Weinstein invites you 431 00:19:10,183 --> 00:19:12,852 to a private party at the Four Seasons, don't go. 432 00:19:12,852 --> 00:19:15,355 (dramatic music) 433 00:19:15,355 --> 00:19:17,190 - [Narrator] When Model Amber Battilana 434 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:19,025 came forward with her story, 435 00:19:19,025 --> 00:19:20,760 she shared an audio recording 436 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,263 she had made from an encounter with Harvey, 437 00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:25,832 confronting him after being harassed by him, 438 00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:27,400 just the day before. 439 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:29,736 - [Harvey] I'm telling you right now-- 440 00:19:29,736 --> 00:19:30,670 - [Amber] What do we have to do here? 441 00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:31,504 - [Harvey] Nothing. 442 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:32,739 I'm gonna take a shower. 443 00:19:32,739 --> 00:19:34,374 You sit there and have a drink, water. 444 00:19:34,374 --> 00:19:35,608 - [Amber] I don't drink. 445 00:19:35,608 --> 00:19:36,543 - [Harvey] Then have a glass of water. 446 00:19:36,543 --> 00:19:37,777 - [Amber] Can I stay on the bar? 447 00:19:37,777 --> 00:19:38,445 - [Harvey] No, you must come here now. 448 00:19:38,445 --> 00:19:39,379 - [Amber] No. 449 00:19:39,379 --> 00:19:40,380 - [Harvey] Look, please come. 450 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:41,814 - [Amber] No, I don't want to. 451 00:19:41,814 --> 00:19:43,015 - [Harvey] I'm not doing anything with you, I promise. 452 00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:43,983 - I know. - Now you're embarrassing me. 453 00:19:43,983 --> 00:19:45,218 - I'm sorry. - No, come in. 454 00:19:45,218 --> 00:19:48,054 - [Amber] Yesterday was aggressive for me. 455 00:19:48,054 --> 00:19:49,722 I need to know a person before-- 456 00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:51,558 - [Harvey] I won't do a thing. 457 00:19:51,558 --> 00:19:54,761 (dramatic music) 458 00:19:54,761 --> 00:19:57,129 - One of the most astonishing stories we heard 459 00:19:57,129 --> 00:19:59,332 was Gwyneth Paltrow coming forward 460 00:19:59,332 --> 00:20:01,934 and saying she too was sexually harassed 461 00:20:01,934 --> 00:20:05,171 by Harvey Weinstein early in her career, 462 00:20:05,171 --> 00:20:08,074 but then, we were even more astonished 463 00:20:08,074 --> 00:20:10,943 that we found out that Brad Pitt, 464 00:20:10,943 --> 00:20:12,178 who she was with at the time, 465 00:20:12,178 --> 00:20:13,580 confronted Harvey, 466 00:20:14,781 --> 00:20:17,550 and said, "Don't ever do this to her again." 467 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:20,753 He literally poked him in the chest. 468 00:20:20,753 --> 00:20:22,955 To think of that experience, 469 00:20:22,955 --> 00:20:27,159 while imaging Brad Pitt confronting Harvey Weinstein. 470 00:20:27,159 --> 00:20:28,695 Everyone was shocked. 471 00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:31,864 Not only did Brad Pitt confront a man 472 00:20:31,864 --> 00:20:34,133 who sexually harassed Gwyneth Paltrow , 473 00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:37,770 but that man was at the height of his power. 474 00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:42,108 This way the heyday of Miramax, 475 00:20:42,108 --> 00:20:43,676 so for Brad to do that, 476 00:20:43,676 --> 00:20:45,712 I imagine he was probably nervous, too. 477 00:20:45,712 --> 00:20:47,947 He was probably nervous about his career also 478 00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:52,419 but it's an incredible story. 479 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:56,489 - I would like to thank Harvey Weinstein 480 00:20:56,489 --> 00:20:58,124 and everybody at Miramax films 481 00:20:58,124 --> 00:21:00,427 for their undying support of me. 482 00:21:01,461 --> 00:21:02,729 - Gwyneth Paltrow says 483 00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:04,297 that when she was only 22 years old 484 00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:06,533 that Weinstein invited her to a hotel room 485 00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:08,735 for a meeting and then propositioned 486 00:21:08,735 --> 00:21:10,202 and sexually harassed her. 487 00:21:10,202 --> 00:21:12,038 Paltrow's allegations have become 488 00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:15,274 some of the most wide spread in Hollywood, 489 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:18,010 where the women have said that Weinstein 490 00:21:18,010 --> 00:21:19,546 invited them to a hotel room 491 00:21:19,546 --> 00:21:20,947 under the guise of a meeting 492 00:21:20,947 --> 00:21:23,249 and then asked them to give him a massage 493 00:21:23,249 --> 00:21:25,284 or asked to be able to massage them. 494 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:26,919 That seemed to be his tactic. 495 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:30,923 - I had seen Harvey Weinstein on a host, 496 00:21:30,923 --> 00:21:32,124 a myriad of red carpets, 497 00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,026 but I first actually spoke to him 498 00:21:34,026 --> 00:21:36,963 at the launch of Top Magazine in 1999. 499 00:21:36,963 --> 00:21:38,230 It was a big party, 500 00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:40,500 and they had taken all the top press 501 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,934 out to Ellis Island 502 00:21:41,934 --> 00:21:44,136 where he arrived for the launch 503 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:45,438 of his new magazine. 504 00:21:45,438 --> 00:21:48,475 Talk Magazine was going to be a way for him, 505 00:21:48,475 --> 00:21:50,777 by the way, to control more journalists 506 00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:52,845 because it was going to option 507 00:21:52,845 --> 00:21:55,548 these great articles, Vanity Fair style 508 00:21:55,548 --> 00:21:57,650 into movies and television programs, 509 00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,752 and it was a way for him to expand 510 00:21:59,752 --> 00:22:01,821 his media empire into print 511 00:22:01,821 --> 00:22:04,391 and a way for him to have more power 512 00:22:04,391 --> 00:22:05,625 than he already did. 513 00:22:05,625 --> 00:22:07,527 I remember him well. 514 00:22:07,527 --> 00:22:09,295 He was lord of the night 515 00:22:09,295 --> 00:22:13,032 and he was very large, heavyset man, 516 00:22:13,032 --> 00:22:16,202 and he walked around like he was King Henry the Eighth 517 00:22:16,202 --> 00:22:17,737 reincarnated. 518 00:22:17,737 --> 00:22:20,707 It was his kingdom, we were just there at his pleasure. 519 00:22:20,707 --> 00:22:25,712 He was the man of the hour and the week and the month. 520 00:22:26,579 --> 00:22:28,014 He was incredibly powerful, 521 00:22:28,014 --> 00:22:30,517 particularly in New York, where I worked as a journalist. 522 00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:34,387 He was maybe the most powerful man in media, 523 00:22:34,387 --> 00:22:38,124 certainly in our city, in Manhattan for sure, 524 00:22:38,124 --> 00:22:40,793 and his influence, his reach, 525 00:22:40,793 --> 00:22:44,230 his control, his power was incredible. 526 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:46,399 I remember Gwyneth Paltrow was on the cover 527 00:22:46,399 --> 00:22:48,435 of the very first issue of Talk 528 00:22:48,435 --> 00:22:51,971 and inside, she did this very bizarre S an M 529 00:22:51,971 --> 00:22:53,840 type of photo shoot, 530 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,109 really not her style and pictures 531 00:22:57,109 --> 00:23:00,112 were very, very bizarre. 532 00:23:00,112 --> 00:23:02,615 Gwyneth said later she had done the S and M shoot 533 00:23:02,615 --> 00:23:04,183 as a favor to Harvey, 534 00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:05,685 who had asked her to do it, 535 00:23:05,685 --> 00:23:08,287 and she felt it was a bit exploitative, 536 00:23:08,287 --> 00:23:10,757 but she did it for him. 537 00:23:10,757 --> 00:23:14,494 Again, we started to see the dynamic 538 00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:17,063 that he would set up with actresses 539 00:23:17,063 --> 00:23:20,066 where he would live out his own fantasies 540 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:24,303 through persuasion and manipulation and negotiation 541 00:23:24,303 --> 00:23:25,505 with them, 542 00:23:25,505 --> 00:23:27,406 but Harvey Weinstein used to show up 543 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:30,342 at all the red carpet events, the Oscars, 544 00:23:30,342 --> 00:23:31,978 that I would go to, 545 00:23:31,978 --> 00:23:33,145 walk the red carpet, 546 00:23:33,145 --> 00:23:34,814 and give some sound bytes. 547 00:23:34,814 --> 00:23:36,783 I met him several times over the years, 548 00:23:36,783 --> 00:23:38,618 he was always bombastic, 549 00:23:38,618 --> 00:23:40,119 he was always opinionated, 550 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,321 he was always arrogant. 551 00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:44,724 - To learn 552 00:23:46,526 --> 00:23:49,896 that Angelina Jolie who also Brad Pitt was with, 553 00:23:49,896 --> 00:23:51,531 early in her career, 554 00:23:51,531 --> 00:23:54,066 she came forward and said that she was sexually harassed 555 00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:56,569 by Harvey and then Angelina said 556 00:23:56,569 --> 00:23:58,838 "From that day on, I said I will never 557 00:23:58,838 --> 00:24:00,306 "make a movie with that man." 558 00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:01,240 And she didn't. 559 00:24:03,142 --> 00:24:04,677 - [Narrator] I had a bad experience with 560 00:24:04,677 --> 00:24:06,579 Harvey Weinstein in my youth 561 00:24:06,579 --> 00:24:09,682 and as a result, chose never to work again 562 00:24:09,682 --> 00:24:12,752 and warn others when they did. 563 00:24:12,752 --> 00:24:15,755 This behavior towards women in any field, 564 00:24:15,755 --> 00:24:18,725 any country, is unacceptable. 565 00:24:20,627 --> 00:24:23,395 (dramatic music) 566 00:24:26,165 --> 00:24:29,769 (camera shutters clicking) 567 00:24:30,737 --> 00:24:33,540 (somber music) 568 00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:36,008 - He called me into his office 569 00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:37,610 and told me to sit on the couch. 570 00:24:38,711 --> 00:24:40,547 He then sat down next to me 571 00:24:42,014 --> 00:24:45,952 and proceeded to tell me how things worked in Hollywood. 572 00:24:45,952 --> 00:24:48,855 He asked me if I was good. 573 00:24:48,855 --> 00:24:51,791 I started to tell him about my training 574 00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:53,593 and my acting experience, 575 00:24:53,593 --> 00:24:57,396 and he said, "No, I need to know if you're good." 576 00:24:57,396 --> 00:24:59,465 He said that if he was going to introduce 577 00:24:59,465 --> 00:25:02,935 me around town to directors and producers, 578 00:25:02,935 --> 00:25:05,705 he needed to know if I was any good. 579 00:25:05,705 --> 00:25:10,677 He had this sly, sleazy smile on his face, 580 00:25:10,677 --> 00:25:13,012 and the fact that he was sitting so close 581 00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:14,246 to me on this couch, 582 00:25:14,246 --> 00:25:18,651 I started to get a sick feeling in my stomach. 583 00:25:20,687 --> 00:25:21,954 The next thing I knew, 584 00:25:23,155 --> 00:25:25,491 he had unzipped his fly 585 00:25:25,491 --> 00:25:27,426 and pulled out his penis. 586 00:25:28,327 --> 00:25:30,496 (dramatic music) 587 00:25:30,496 --> 00:25:32,164 My heart started pounding. 588 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:35,635 My mind started racing. 589 00:25:36,636 --> 00:25:38,705 How do I deal with this? 590 00:25:38,705 --> 00:25:40,607 How do I get out of this? 591 00:25:40,607 --> 00:25:42,408 Am I going to get out of this. 592 00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:45,311 How is this happening? 593 00:25:45,311 --> 00:25:48,247 He then grabbed my hand and pulled towards him, 594 00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:51,651 and forced my hand onto his penis 595 00:25:51,651 --> 00:25:52,752 and held it there. 596 00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:56,388 I was frozen with fear. 597 00:25:57,790 --> 00:26:00,192 Trying to remain calm, 598 00:26:00,192 --> 00:26:01,661 trying not to freak out 599 00:26:01,661 --> 00:26:05,197 because, after all, there was nobody else in the office. 600 00:26:05,197 --> 00:26:08,701 I pulled my hand away as casually as possible. 601 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:15,875 He told me that this was how things worked in Hollywood, 602 00:26:15,875 --> 00:26:17,176 and that all of the actresses 603 00:26:17,176 --> 00:26:18,811 that had made it 604 00:26:18,811 --> 00:26:20,146 had made it this way. 605 00:26:21,748 --> 00:26:26,452 He said, "Name anyone, any actress you can think of, 606 00:26:26,452 --> 00:26:28,020 "and this is how they made it." 607 00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:29,388 He spelled it out for me. 608 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:34,160 He told me that first I would have sex with him, 609 00:26:35,828 --> 00:26:37,329 and then he would take me to parties 610 00:26:37,329 --> 00:26:39,899 and show me who I needed to sleep with after that. 611 00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:45,471 On Monday, following that Friday nightmare 612 00:26:45,471 --> 00:26:48,641 with Harvey Weinstein, I resigned from my job. 613 00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:53,880 Not long after that, I quit acting. 614 00:26:55,147 --> 00:26:57,016 I have told parts of this story 615 00:26:58,184 --> 00:27:00,720 to only a very few people over the years. 616 00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:06,158 I felt so powerless 617 00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:10,329 because he is, after all, very powerful 618 00:27:12,198 --> 00:27:16,202 and very well known and very successful. 619 00:27:19,405 --> 00:27:22,174 I didn't think anyone would believe me. 620 00:27:23,142 --> 00:27:24,210 I was nobody. 621 00:27:25,912 --> 00:27:27,146 Why would they? 622 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:33,986 (dramatic music) 623 00:27:39,625 --> 00:27:41,427 - Harvey Weinstein is hideous. 624 00:27:41,427 --> 00:27:42,929 He's always been hideous. 625 00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:45,798 His first wife, Eve, was his assistant. 626 00:27:45,798 --> 00:27:48,735 Was an assistant who he undoubtedly 627 00:27:48,735 --> 00:27:51,771 sexually cajoled and harassed in his position of power 628 00:27:51,771 --> 00:27:53,505 into marrying him. 629 00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:55,474 He used to leave flowers on her desk. 630 00:27:55,474 --> 00:27:59,478 He seduced her with his power and his position. 631 00:27:59,478 --> 00:28:01,848 They married, they have three children. 632 00:28:01,848 --> 00:28:05,384 Eve decided very much to stay out of the limelight. 633 00:28:05,384 --> 00:28:07,486 She raised their three children, 634 00:28:07,486 --> 00:28:10,389 their three daughters in privacy. 635 00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:12,124 Harvey continued to work the scene. 636 00:28:12,124 --> 00:28:14,226 He continued to have affairs. 637 00:28:14,226 --> 00:28:16,295 When I first met Harvey Weinstein, 638 00:28:16,295 --> 00:28:17,764 he was still married to Eve, 639 00:28:17,764 --> 00:28:20,332 but we heard stories repeatedly again and again 640 00:28:20,332 --> 00:28:23,970 about various actresses he was having liaisons with. 641 00:28:23,970 --> 00:28:25,271 That's what we thought, 642 00:28:25,271 --> 00:28:26,839 but we knew he was cheating on his wife 643 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:28,440 and it was an open secret. 644 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,410 When Harvey and Eve finally divorced, 645 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:33,813 it was a shock to exactly no one. 646 00:28:33,813 --> 00:28:35,714 It had been years since they'd been together. 647 00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:37,383 It'd been years since they'd lived together, 648 00:28:37,383 --> 00:28:40,920 and everybody knew about his womanizing. 649 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,689 When Harvey and Georgina got married, 650 00:28:43,689 --> 00:28:45,457 it was a surprise. 651 00:28:45,457 --> 00:28:49,395 First of all, Georgina had her own family money. 652 00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:51,463 She had gone to private schools in the UK, 653 00:28:51,463 --> 00:28:55,167 she was very posh and she was starting a fashion label, 654 00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:58,470 Marchesa, seemingly on her own, 655 00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:00,773 and she didn't seem to need Harvey, 656 00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:02,308 so it was a bit of a surprise 657 00:29:02,308 --> 00:29:04,410 when this young, stunning, beautiful woman 658 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:07,780 would actually marry this hideous, disgusting human being, 659 00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:09,081 but she did. 660 00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:11,784 Now, we come to find out that Harvey 661 00:29:11,784 --> 00:29:15,654 threatened actresses all over Hollywood 662 00:29:15,654 --> 00:29:17,990 that if they didn't wear his wife's gowns 663 00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:19,258 on the red carpet, 664 00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:21,693 he wouldn't put them in any more movies. 665 00:29:21,693 --> 00:29:22,929 Felicity Hoffman actually confirmed 666 00:29:22,929 --> 00:29:25,564 that she was ordered to wear Marchesa 667 00:29:25,564 --> 00:29:28,167 on red carpets during her Oscar campaign. 668 00:29:28,167 --> 00:29:30,102 Other actresses, Renee Zellweger, 669 00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:32,638 were pressured and forced to wear Marchesa. 670 00:29:32,638 --> 00:29:34,506 Harvey used his position of power 671 00:29:34,506 --> 00:29:36,008 not only to abuse women 672 00:29:36,008 --> 00:29:38,377 but also to force them to do things 673 00:29:38,377 --> 00:29:41,513 that benefited him and his wife. 674 00:29:41,513 --> 00:29:45,284 Georgina and Harvey went on to have two children together, 675 00:29:45,284 --> 00:29:49,555 and initially, Georgina was going to stand by him. 676 00:29:49,555 --> 00:29:52,091 Georgina issued a statement saying 677 00:29:52,091 --> 00:29:53,425 that he was receiving therapy 678 00:29:53,425 --> 00:29:54,927 and they were gonna work it out, 679 00:29:54,927 --> 00:29:56,963 and then, of course, as we started to see 680 00:29:56,963 --> 00:29:59,866 the dozens and dozens and dozens of women coming forward, 681 00:29:59,866 --> 00:30:01,800 including allegations of rape, 682 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,037 she very quietly changed her mind. 683 00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:07,806 (dramatic music) 684 00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:12,478 - [Narrator] Georgina Chapman, Harvey's wife 685 00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:14,914 and fashion designer, founder of Marchesa 686 00:30:14,914 --> 00:30:18,150 announced in a statement that she was leaving him. 687 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:21,053 "My heart breaks for all the women 688 00:30:21,053 --> 00:30:22,588 "who have suffered tremendous pain 689 00:30:22,588 --> 00:30:25,357 "because of these unforgivable actions." 690 00:30:27,193 --> 00:30:28,460 Further adding, 691 00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:30,562 "I have chosen to leave my husband. 692 00:30:30,562 --> 00:30:33,599 "Caring for my young children is my first priority 693 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,768 "and I ask the media for privacy at this time." 694 00:30:37,904 --> 00:30:40,039 - As soon as the follow up New York Times 695 00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:41,473 piece came out where you had people 696 00:30:41,473 --> 00:30:44,143 like Gwyneth Paltrow openly talking 697 00:30:44,143 --> 00:30:46,745 about what had happened to them with Uncle Harvey, 698 00:30:46,745 --> 00:30:48,647 as she sickeningly called him, 699 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:50,983 I knew his wife, Georgina, was gonna leave him. 700 00:30:50,983 --> 00:30:53,052 There was no way that Harvey's wife 701 00:30:53,052 --> 00:30:55,287 was gonna be able to withstand 702 00:30:55,287 --> 00:30:56,355 all of these allegations 703 00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:58,124 including the ones of rape. 704 00:30:58,124 --> 00:31:01,027 It started out as he was a little creepy, 705 00:31:01,027 --> 00:31:03,495 he wanted me to watch him in the shower, 706 00:31:03,495 --> 00:31:04,830 or give him a massage, 707 00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:07,866 and it ended with rape, sexual assault, 708 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:11,270 sexual predation and a systematic 709 00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:14,941 pattern of behavior in which he abused 710 00:31:14,941 --> 00:31:17,343 his power and abused women. 711 00:31:17,343 --> 00:31:19,912 There's no way that Harvey Weinstein can weather 712 00:31:19,912 --> 00:31:21,948 this particular storm. 713 00:31:21,948 --> 00:31:24,650 No matter how good his team of public relations 714 00:31:24,650 --> 00:31:28,387 experts, lawyers, bad guys, attack dogs 715 00:31:28,387 --> 00:31:30,356 that he hires, 716 00:31:30,356 --> 00:31:33,492 Harvey Weinstein has been exposed as a monster. 717 00:31:34,961 --> 00:31:37,129 (dramatic music) 718 00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:42,134 (camera shutters clicking) (dramatic music) 719 00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:48,074 (man speaking indistinctly) 720 00:31:48,074 --> 00:31:50,542 - Meeting Harvey was, for me, everything, 721 00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:53,179 thinking this is an opportunity, 722 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,314 and so I, 723 00:31:55,314 --> 00:31:58,750 everything in which I believed in, 724 00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:01,787 and believing that there's a second chance for me, 725 00:32:01,787 --> 00:32:03,189 he was that man. 726 00:32:04,223 --> 00:32:07,493 He took hold of me 727 00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:10,762 and pretty much forced me to walk 728 00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:12,031 with him to the bathroom 729 00:32:12,031 --> 00:32:14,766 where he stood me in front of the mirror 730 00:32:15,867 --> 00:32:18,737 and he stood behind me 731 00:32:18,737 --> 00:32:20,806 and I was like, "What are you doing?" 732 00:32:20,806 --> 00:32:23,709 He's like touching me, rubbing me, 733 00:32:23,709 --> 00:32:26,045 and he's like, "Just relax." 734 00:32:26,045 --> 00:32:27,279 And I'm telling him to stop 735 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:28,680 and he would raise his voice 736 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,816 but at the same time, he kept reassuring me 737 00:32:30,816 --> 00:32:33,152 that everything's going to be okay, 738 00:32:33,152 --> 00:32:35,187 and he was rubbing my breasts 739 00:32:35,187 --> 00:32:39,358 and he placed his leg between mine from behind, 740 00:32:39,358 --> 00:32:42,861 and was rubbing against my vagina, 741 00:32:42,861 --> 00:32:47,733 and he pulled, 'cause I had a dress on at the time, 742 00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:50,602 and he pulled it down, exposing my breasts. 743 00:32:50,602 --> 00:32:52,071 God, I feel so stupid. 744 00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:58,177 I would say to him, "People believe in you 745 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,715 "and it's not been fair that you've used 746 00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:07,419 "the power, the gift that you have, 747 00:33:07,419 --> 00:33:09,755 "you've turned it into such a corruption 748 00:33:09,755 --> 00:33:11,923 "to take advantage of other people." 749 00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:16,395 (dramatic music) 750 00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:22,101 - You're meeting with a very powerful guy 751 00:33:22,101 --> 00:33:24,603 in Hollywood, that's makes a lot of actresses careers 752 00:33:24,603 --> 00:33:28,307 happen, so when he said to go to the Peninsula, 753 00:33:28,307 --> 00:33:32,010 I just thought, "That's a bar, so fine." 754 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:34,413 So we met at the bar there, 755 00:33:34,413 --> 00:33:36,282 and we talked for a few minutes, 756 00:33:36,282 --> 00:33:37,749 and then he didn't really ask me, 757 00:33:37,749 --> 00:33:40,952 he just said, "We're going upstairs to my room." 758 00:33:40,952 --> 00:33:43,322 And I didn't really know how to take that. 759 00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:48,327 I didn't know how to say no to someone like him 760 00:33:48,927 --> 00:33:49,895 at the time, 761 00:33:49,895 --> 00:33:51,163 which I regret, 762 00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:54,133 and as many times as I said no and resisted, 763 00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:56,034 I just feel like that he was not 764 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:57,936 gonna let up on the idea, 765 00:33:57,936 --> 00:34:00,106 and it's kind of like I felt too frozen 766 00:34:00,106 --> 00:34:01,840 to run out of the room. 767 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,643 - In this case, we allege that 768 00:34:04,643 --> 00:34:06,978 the Weinstein Company knew 769 00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:10,349 that one of its key executives and part owner, 770 00:34:10,349 --> 00:34:14,286 Harvey Weinstein, was engaging in sexual misconduct 771 00:34:14,286 --> 00:34:16,088 and that he was using his position at 772 00:34:16,088 --> 00:34:19,258 The Weinstein Company to bring young, 773 00:34:19,258 --> 00:34:23,395 aspiring actresses into vulnerable places 774 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:25,564 where he would then prey on them. 775 00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:26,932 - Oh, I was there with them 776 00:34:26,932 --> 00:34:28,934 when we were shooting it in Barcelona, 777 00:34:28,934 --> 00:34:31,002 and it's so hot, that place. 778 00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:34,573 It's so sexy, you just get crazy thoughts there. 779 00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:37,343 (dramatic music) 780 00:34:40,512 --> 00:34:44,049 - [Photographers] Harvey, Harvey! 781 00:34:44,049 --> 00:34:44,883 Harvey! 782 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,455 - He is really watching his entire career 783 00:34:49,455 --> 00:34:50,956 collapse at this point, 784 00:34:50,956 --> 00:34:53,792 and he's being kicked out of a lot of the esteemed 785 00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:56,162 guilds and industry organizations. 786 00:34:56,162 --> 00:34:57,996 We've seen him kicked out of BAFTA, 787 00:34:57,996 --> 00:34:59,965 we've seen him kicked out of the Academy of Motion 788 00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:01,833 Picture Arts and Sciences. 789 00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:04,536 He was just kicked out of the Television Academy, 790 00:35:04,536 --> 00:35:07,973 Producer's Guild, nobody wants him, honestly, 791 00:35:07,973 --> 00:35:10,609 because it's an honor to be in any of these guilds 792 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:13,145 or associated with some of the people 793 00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:14,613 who have worked so hard in the industry, 794 00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:15,547 and you know what? 795 00:35:15,547 --> 00:35:16,715 At this point, we're just like, 796 00:35:16,715 --> 00:35:18,083 "You're not holding up the ideals 797 00:35:18,083 --> 00:35:20,252 "of the organization, so we have to say goodbye." 798 00:35:20,252 --> 00:35:23,322 - Well over two thirds of the board of governors 799 00:35:23,322 --> 00:35:26,758 decided that they weren't gonna put up with 800 00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:29,261 all of these claims of sexual abuse 801 00:35:29,261 --> 00:35:31,997 and they decided to revoke 802 00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:34,800 Mr. Weinstein's membership in that Academy. 803 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,002 The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences 804 00:35:37,002 --> 00:35:39,070 board of governors met today to discuss 805 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:40,906 the allegations against Harvey Weinstein 806 00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:44,109 and has voted well in excess of the required two thirds 807 00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:47,846 majority to immediately expel him from the Academy. 808 00:35:47,846 --> 00:35:50,682 We do so not simply to separate ourselves from someone 809 00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:52,851 who does not merit the respect of his colleagues 810 00:35:52,851 --> 00:35:55,153 but also to send a message that the era 811 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:58,023 of willful ignorance and shameful complicity 812 00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:00,992 in sexually predatory behavior and workplace 813 00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:03,094 harassment in our industry is over. 814 00:36:03,094 --> 00:36:05,864 (dramatic music) 815 00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:10,669 - We are here with yet another woman 816 00:36:10,669 --> 00:36:14,673 who alleges that she was victimized by Harvey Weinstein. 817 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:17,142 - I was first introduced to Harvey Weinstein 818 00:36:17,142 --> 00:36:21,146 at the European premiere of The Aviator in 2004. 819 00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:23,048 After a few minutes of greetings 820 00:36:23,048 --> 00:36:24,650 and normal conversation, 821 00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:27,419 Harvey suddenly asked me if I'd give him a massage. 822 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:30,922 I said, "No, sorry, I'm not a masseuse." 823 00:36:30,922 --> 00:36:33,259 And I suggested he contact hotel reception 824 00:36:33,259 --> 00:36:34,393 with his request. 825 00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:39,598 He kept asking about massages, 826 00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:41,633 and so I felt the meeting was going nowhere 827 00:36:41,633 --> 00:36:42,801 and I left. 828 00:36:42,801 --> 00:36:44,370 He kept messaging and calling me 829 00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:46,104 and even showed up at the apartment 830 00:36:46,104 --> 00:36:48,173 where I was staying in the East Village 831 00:36:48,173 --> 00:36:50,342 twice in one day, 832 00:36:50,342 --> 00:36:52,177 literally, physically forced himself 833 00:36:52,177 --> 00:36:53,845 in through the door, pleading with me 834 00:36:53,845 --> 00:36:55,814 to come with him to Paris. 835 00:36:55,814 --> 00:36:57,883 I found him overwhelming to deal with, 836 00:36:57,883 --> 00:36:59,351 and I didn't know how to shut it down, 837 00:36:59,351 --> 00:37:02,254 so I finally said, "I'm not coming to Paris with you 838 00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:05,023 "and I hear you have a terrible reputation with women." 839 00:37:06,157 --> 00:37:07,859 That's when he backed off. 840 00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:10,662 He was extremely persistent and physically overpowering. 841 00:37:13,164 --> 00:37:16,067 He then orally forced himself on me, 842 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,969 while I was on my period. 843 00:37:20,806 --> 00:37:23,041 He even pulled my tampon out. 844 00:37:23,041 --> 00:37:24,443 I was mortified. 845 00:37:24,443 --> 00:37:26,812 I was in disbelief and disgusted. 846 00:37:33,018 --> 00:37:35,921 I would not have wanted anyone to do that to me, 847 00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:39,024 even if the person had been a romantic partner. 848 00:37:40,759 --> 00:37:42,728 I remember Harvey afterwards rolling over 849 00:37:42,728 --> 00:37:44,563 onto his back saying, 850 00:37:44,563 --> 00:37:48,066 "Don't you feel we're so much closer to each other now?" 851 00:37:48,066 --> 00:37:49,735 To which I replied, "No." 852 00:37:50,602 --> 00:37:54,673 (camera shutters clicking) 853 00:37:54,673 --> 00:37:58,544 A no is a no regardless of the circumstances, 854 00:37:58,544 --> 00:37:59,811 and I told Harvey no. 855 00:38:01,647 --> 00:38:02,914 (dramatic music) 856 00:38:02,914 --> 00:38:06,752 - We need justice for these victims. 857 00:38:07,986 --> 00:38:10,622 As soon as Mr. Weinstein completes his therapy 858 00:38:10,622 --> 00:38:13,825 and returns to either New York or Los Angeles, 859 00:38:13,825 --> 00:38:17,095 we urge him or his representatives 860 00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:20,866 to contact me to discuss our plan for justice 861 00:38:20,866 --> 00:38:21,667 for victims. 862 00:38:23,902 --> 00:38:26,672 (dramatic music) 863 00:38:29,708 --> 00:38:33,011 Vague apologies are not enough. 864 00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:36,848 (somber music) 865 00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:44,690 - I had created a safeguard of how I could avoid 866 00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:49,294 those situations and I never was in a hotel room with him 867 00:38:49,294 --> 00:38:50,496 alone again. 868 00:38:51,697 --> 00:38:56,668 There's a lot of shame around that experience 869 00:38:56,668 --> 00:38:59,070 and then you ask yourself, 870 00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:01,473 "Why did I work for this person after that? 871 00:39:01,473 --> 00:39:03,241 "Why didn't I see it in the way 872 00:39:03,241 --> 00:39:04,976 "that the world has seen it now 873 00:39:04,976 --> 00:39:06,211 "when it happened?" 874 00:39:06,211 --> 00:39:08,647 I think that secrecy around it is probably 875 00:39:08,647 --> 00:39:11,116 a big part of that. 876 00:39:11,116 --> 00:39:13,752 There are days that I feel really angry, 877 00:39:13,752 --> 00:39:15,621 and upset 878 00:39:15,621 --> 00:39:19,024 and times when you feel that 879 00:39:20,892 --> 00:39:22,561 that person really is a monster 880 00:39:22,561 --> 00:39:25,897 and they deserve whatever is coming to them 881 00:39:25,897 --> 00:39:27,966 but it's also not that, 882 00:39:27,966 --> 00:39:29,901 I've found that's it not that helpful 883 00:39:29,901 --> 00:39:33,739 for me in terms of my healing and understanding 884 00:39:33,739 --> 00:39:35,907 to feel that anger. 885 00:39:35,907 --> 00:39:38,777 It doesn't do anything to serve me. 886 00:39:41,112 --> 00:39:42,514 - [Narrator] Actress Emma Thompson spoke 887 00:39:42,514 --> 00:39:44,282 plainly and eloquently to the BBC 888 00:39:44,282 --> 00:39:46,618 about the issues that allowed this abuse 889 00:39:46,618 --> 00:39:48,319 of power to take place. 890 00:39:49,488 --> 00:39:52,390 - They see their only choice to be this choice 891 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:53,659 that isn't a choice in fact, 892 00:39:53,659 --> 00:39:55,360 it's about power, 893 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,828 it's about how am I, that I have no power, 894 00:39:56,828 --> 00:39:59,364 and that's because in our systems 895 00:39:59,364 --> 00:40:00,832 there are not nearly enough women, 896 00:40:00,832 --> 00:40:02,801 particularly in Hollywood in positions of power. 897 00:40:02,801 --> 00:40:04,903 There aren't enough women in the top of the tree 898 00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:07,005 in the studios who could perhaps 899 00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:08,474 balance everything out. 900 00:40:08,474 --> 00:40:11,042 There aren't enough women on set. 901 00:40:11,042 --> 00:40:13,278 There just aren't enough women, actually. 902 00:40:14,446 --> 00:40:16,347 - In Hollywood, whenever there's a scandal, 903 00:40:16,347 --> 00:40:18,684 everybody talks about redemption and rehab. 904 00:40:18,684 --> 00:40:19,918 It goes in that order. 905 00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:21,152 They beg for forgiveness 906 00:40:21,152 --> 00:40:22,654 and they go to rehab, 907 00:40:22,654 --> 00:40:24,623 whether it's for sex, 'cause they got caught cheating, 908 00:40:24,623 --> 00:40:26,825 whether it's for drugs because they got caught 909 00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:28,994 doing cocaine, whether it's for, 910 00:40:28,994 --> 00:40:30,195 whatever it is, 911 00:40:30,195 --> 00:40:31,897 they ask for forgiveness and they immediately 912 00:40:31,897 --> 00:40:33,064 check into rehab. 913 00:40:33,064 --> 00:40:34,966 We saw Harvey Weinstein do the same thing. 914 00:40:34,966 --> 00:40:37,903 He gets called out as a rapist, sexual predator, 915 00:40:37,903 --> 00:40:39,204 and the next thing you know, 916 00:40:39,204 --> 00:40:41,306 he's checking himself into sex rehab. 917 00:40:43,241 --> 00:40:45,677 Now, I loved what Emma Thompson said 918 00:40:45,677 --> 00:40:47,879 when she sat down with Emily Madelis, 919 00:40:47,879 --> 00:40:49,815 the journalist, and said, 920 00:40:49,815 --> 00:40:52,217 "It's not about sex addiction. 921 00:40:52,217 --> 00:40:53,919 "That's a different thing. 922 00:40:53,919 --> 00:40:56,522 "This is about being a sexual predator." 923 00:40:56,522 --> 00:40:58,289 And she really very nicely 924 00:40:58,289 --> 00:40:59,525 drew the distinction, I think, 925 00:40:59,525 --> 00:41:03,061 because it's one thing to try and borrow 926 00:41:03,061 --> 00:41:05,263 someone else's disease or illness 927 00:41:05,263 --> 00:41:10,268 in order to make your bad behavior seem more palatable. 928 00:41:10,268 --> 00:41:12,470 Celebrities time and time again use rehab 929 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:15,541 as a way to redeem themselves in the eyes of the public. 930 00:41:15,541 --> 00:41:16,742 It's not acceptable. 931 00:41:16,742 --> 00:41:18,877 They need to own up and take responsibility 932 00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:20,145 for what they've done. 933 00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:22,180 In the case of Harvey Weinstein, initially, 934 00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:23,782 it looked like he really thought 935 00:41:23,782 --> 00:41:27,452 he was gonna get away with a quick fix. 936 00:41:27,452 --> 00:41:30,121 Go to rehab, it'll blow over. 937 00:41:30,121 --> 00:41:31,990 His wife was standing by him. 938 00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:35,627 He hired a very powerful top lawyer, 939 00:41:35,627 --> 00:41:38,396 Elisa Bloom, who was famous for representing women, 940 00:41:38,396 --> 00:41:40,566 and I think he thought he had locked down. 941 00:41:40,566 --> 00:41:42,500 If you look at his initial statement, 942 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,903 he throws out vague accusations 943 00:41:44,903 --> 00:41:46,572 against the women who had come forward. 944 00:41:46,572 --> 00:41:50,008 He implies Ashley Judd is mentally ill. 945 00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:52,077 He denies every doing anything 946 00:41:52,077 --> 00:41:53,344 that was not consensual, 947 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,581 and I think he thinks he's got it covered. 948 00:41:55,581 --> 00:41:57,749 And it wasn't until five days later 949 00:41:57,749 --> 00:42:01,753 when all the gate, the floodgates opened, 950 00:42:01,753 --> 00:42:03,454 that I think he realized 951 00:42:03,454 --> 00:42:06,958 this dozens and dozens of women 952 00:42:06,958 --> 00:42:08,359 started speaking out 953 00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:10,161 that actually there was no way 954 00:42:10,161 --> 00:42:12,598 he was going to be able to contain the situation. 955 00:42:16,635 --> 00:42:19,370 (dramatic music) 956 00:42:21,506 --> 00:42:23,875 - The lengths to which Harvey Weinstein to go, 957 00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:26,812 and his access, his ability to go to these lengths 958 00:42:26,812 --> 00:42:28,446 to protect his name 959 00:42:28,446 --> 00:42:31,016 and to protect himself from any accusations 960 00:42:31,016 --> 00:42:32,651 were quite extraordinary, 961 00:42:32,651 --> 00:42:35,220 so for instance, he hired Blackcube, 962 00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:37,656 ex-Israeli intelligence officers 963 00:42:37,656 --> 00:42:40,759 to find out who might be making allegations 964 00:42:40,759 --> 00:42:43,261 against him and to shut them down. 965 00:42:43,261 --> 00:42:46,331 That is an extraordinary powerful position to be in, 966 00:42:46,331 --> 00:42:47,699 so again, when people say, 967 00:42:47,699 --> 00:42:49,234 "Why didn't people speak up?" 968 00:42:49,234 --> 00:42:51,136 So not only are you dealing with Harvey Weinstein, 969 00:42:51,136 --> 00:42:52,638 not only are you risking your career, 970 00:42:52,638 --> 00:42:54,539 not only are you gonna be blacklisted, 971 00:42:54,539 --> 00:42:56,808 not only might you be counter-sued 972 00:42:56,808 --> 00:42:57,776 for false allegations, 973 00:42:57,776 --> 00:42:59,044 you're also gonna face the might 974 00:42:59,044 --> 00:43:01,279 of all sorts of the murkier world 975 00:43:01,279 --> 00:43:03,214 of intelligence and security 976 00:43:03,214 --> 00:43:06,351 that are set up and designed to protect these men, 977 00:43:06,351 --> 00:43:09,220 and men like Harvey Weinstein use that veil 978 00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:11,589 and use that screen of protection, 979 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,258 and it makes them believe two things, 980 00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:16,061 one, that they'll never ever ever get caught 981 00:43:16,061 --> 00:43:17,896 and secondly, if they do get caught, 982 00:43:17,896 --> 00:43:19,698 if something dares to accuse them, 983 00:43:19,698 --> 00:43:21,700 they will crush the accuser like a fly. 984 00:43:23,001 --> 00:43:25,637 - We walked out of the room and we lost, 985 00:43:25,637 --> 00:43:27,572 and then I realized why I'm distributing 986 00:43:27,572 --> 00:43:30,008 this money, because they picked on the wrong guy, 987 00:43:30,008 --> 00:43:31,509 they picked on the wrong movie, 988 00:43:31,509 --> 00:43:33,144 they picked on the wrong thing. 989 00:43:33,144 --> 00:43:36,247 (applause, cheering) 990 00:43:38,483 --> 00:43:40,418 - One of the great myths of Harvey Weinstein, 991 00:43:40,418 --> 00:43:41,352 people will say, 992 00:43:41,352 --> 00:43:42,988 "Well, it can't be that real." 993 00:43:42,988 --> 00:43:45,590 "Because some of these allegations go back a long while. 994 00:43:45,590 --> 00:43:48,193 "Why are these women coming out now?" 995 00:43:48,193 --> 00:43:50,528 You imagine this scenario, okay? 996 00:43:50,528 --> 00:43:54,432 You are a woman in a lower state of power, 997 00:43:54,432 --> 00:43:57,002 relative to one of the most powerful men 998 00:43:57,002 --> 00:43:58,536 in the entertainment industry, 999 00:43:58,536 --> 00:44:00,906 one of the most powerful men in the United States. 1000 00:44:00,906 --> 00:44:03,641 This man knows everybody. 1001 00:44:03,641 --> 00:44:06,377 The top lawyers, top politicians, 1002 00:44:06,377 --> 00:44:10,115 presidents, every film director, every producer, 1003 00:44:10,115 --> 00:44:12,183 ever actor, everybody 1004 00:44:12,183 --> 00:44:15,620 acknowledges and bows down to Harvey Weinstein. 1005 00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:18,189 You haven't been touched inappropriately 1006 00:44:18,189 --> 00:44:20,525 in a vulnerable position with nowhere near 1007 00:44:20,525 --> 00:44:22,694 his economic power, his social power, 1008 00:44:22,694 --> 00:44:25,764 his political power, what are you gonna do? 1009 00:44:25,764 --> 00:44:27,699 You're gonna think, "That wasn't right." 1010 00:44:27,699 --> 00:44:28,967 And more often than not, 1011 00:44:28,967 --> 00:44:30,769 you may even turn round and think, 1012 00:44:30,769 --> 00:44:32,704 "Was it something I did?" 1013 00:44:32,704 --> 00:44:33,939 This is what's most pernicious 1014 00:44:33,939 --> 00:44:35,406 about people like Harvey Weinstein 1015 00:44:35,406 --> 00:44:37,142 because their power is so great 1016 00:44:37,142 --> 00:44:39,044 and the women he abused were powerless, 1017 00:44:39,044 --> 00:44:42,080 relative to him until now, relative to him, 1018 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,581 they might think, 1019 00:44:45,283 --> 00:44:46,651 "Well, what did I lead him on? 1020 00:44:46,651 --> 00:44:47,886 "Was it something I did?" 1021 00:44:47,886 --> 00:44:48,787 And the answer to that is an absolute 1022 00:44:48,787 --> 00:44:49,721 and categorical no. 1023 00:44:49,721 --> 00:44:52,157 These women did not do anything 1024 00:44:52,157 --> 00:44:54,425 to encourage Harvey Weinstein 1025 00:44:54,425 --> 00:44:58,063 to engage with them against their consent. 1026 00:44:58,063 --> 00:44:59,965 And they have not only had to live 1027 00:44:59,965 --> 00:45:01,933 with the abuse, they've had to live 1028 00:45:01,933 --> 00:45:03,601 with the feeling of powerlessness 1029 00:45:03,601 --> 00:45:05,136 about having been abused 1030 00:45:05,136 --> 00:45:07,305 and also, feeling ashamed of it, 1031 00:45:07,305 --> 00:45:10,175 while Harvey Weinstein just goes on and on and on 1032 00:45:10,175 --> 00:45:12,243 and keeps doing it and doing it and doing it. 1033 00:45:12,243 --> 00:45:15,180 This is not just the insatiability 1034 00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:17,582 of dopamine, a neurotransmitter in the brain 1035 00:45:17,582 --> 00:45:19,184 that drives the reward system, 1036 00:45:19,184 --> 00:45:21,386 it's the insatiability of a powerful men 1037 00:45:21,386 --> 00:45:23,254 who preys on people that are weaker than him, 1038 00:45:23,254 --> 00:45:25,390 women that are weaker than him. 1039 00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:27,292 - Excellent girl, excellent. 1040 00:45:27,292 --> 00:45:28,960 No, there's no better. 1041 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,128 You know what I mean? 1042 00:45:30,128 --> 00:45:31,362 She's just terrific. 1043 00:45:31,362 --> 00:45:33,298 She's good, really good, good, she's wonderful. 1044 00:45:33,298 --> 00:45:34,900 - [Interviewer] She's got a real charisma 1045 00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:36,067 and presence about her. - She does. 1046 00:45:36,067 --> 00:45:37,368 She certainly does. 1047 00:45:37,368 --> 00:45:38,904 - The whole thing about Weinstein 1048 00:45:38,904 --> 00:45:41,940 was about power, it wasn't about sex, 1049 00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:45,811 and because every time he expressed 1050 00:45:45,811 --> 00:45:48,279 what he considered to be his status, 1051 00:45:48,279 --> 00:45:50,415 his power, his dominance over women 1052 00:45:50,415 --> 00:45:53,084 he would get a chemical high, a dopamine high. 1053 00:45:53,084 --> 00:45:55,186 The reward system would kick in and say, 1054 00:45:55,186 --> 00:45:56,922 "Well done, Harvey." 1055 00:45:56,922 --> 00:45:58,689 And then, he'd go down after it. 1056 00:45:58,689 --> 00:46:01,592 It was known, some women reported him as being tearful 1057 00:46:01,592 --> 00:46:03,594 or crying or whatever it was. 1058 00:46:03,594 --> 00:46:06,031 He may be remorseful for a short amount of time, 1059 00:46:06,031 --> 00:46:07,298 but that is in no way gonna change 1060 00:46:07,298 --> 00:46:08,433 that behavior pattern, 1061 00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:11,069 because the craving comes back, 1062 00:46:12,037 --> 00:46:13,638 and then he does it again. 1063 00:46:13,638 --> 00:46:16,041 It could be touching a woman inappropriately. 1064 00:46:16,041 --> 00:46:17,943 It could be sexually assaulting her. 1065 00:46:17,943 --> 00:46:20,912 It could be rape, it could be anything on that spectrum, 1066 00:46:20,912 --> 00:46:24,082 but unwanted physical or emotional abuse 1067 00:46:24,082 --> 00:46:25,917 of a woman by a powerful man 1068 00:46:25,917 --> 00:46:27,185 and he thought he could get away with it, 1069 00:46:27,185 --> 00:46:29,020 and he couldn't stop the cravings, 1070 00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:30,788 because not all the money in the world, 1071 00:46:30,788 --> 00:46:32,190 not all the status in the world, 1072 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:33,658 not all the power in the world 1073 00:46:33,658 --> 00:46:35,861 could stop that dopamine rush telling him, 1074 00:46:35,861 --> 00:46:37,428 "Go on, Harvey, do it again, 1075 00:46:37,428 --> 00:46:39,264 "'cause this is how we get pleasure. 1076 00:46:39,264 --> 00:46:41,299 "This is how we get off." 1077 00:46:41,299 --> 00:46:44,569 And when you're used to getting away with it, 1078 00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:47,205 when you've done it 10 times, 100 times, 1079 00:46:47,205 --> 00:46:49,374 1000 times, who knows how many times he did it, 1080 00:46:49,374 --> 00:46:50,608 over so many years, 1081 00:46:50,608 --> 00:46:52,010 and everybody knows about it 1082 00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:53,879 and he knows that everybody knows about it, 1083 00:46:53,879 --> 00:46:55,146 and he knows that everybody knows about it 1084 00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:57,015 and he's still getting away with it, 1085 00:46:57,015 --> 00:46:58,516 he's gonna keep doing it. 1086 00:46:58,516 --> 00:47:01,286 Harvey Weinstein was a man who groomed 1087 00:47:01,286 --> 00:47:03,821 an entire industry, 1088 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:06,524 the entire film industry, the entire entertainment 1089 00:47:06,524 --> 00:47:09,494 industry was groomed by Harvey Weinstein, 1090 00:47:09,494 --> 00:47:12,530 and quite likely, people are standing up and saying 1091 00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:14,465 enough is enough. 1092 00:47:14,465 --> 00:47:17,068 If men get their rush from abusing women, 1093 00:47:17,068 --> 00:47:18,303 well, too bad. 1094 00:47:18,303 --> 00:47:19,504 They've got to pay a price for it, 1095 00:47:19,504 --> 00:47:20,872 and it's time for them to get their rush 1096 00:47:20,872 --> 00:47:22,040 and doing something else 1097 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,641 that's safe and legal and consensual, 1098 00:47:23,641 --> 00:47:24,842 whatever that might be. 1099 00:47:27,245 --> 00:47:30,015 (dramatic music) 1100 00:47:31,649 --> 00:47:33,751 - There isn't really an answer for Harvey 1101 00:47:33,751 --> 00:47:36,922 in terms of his just going to rehab in Arizona, 1102 00:47:36,922 --> 00:47:39,290 saying he's going for sexual addiction 1103 00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:40,425 or anything else like that, 1104 00:47:40,425 --> 00:47:42,427 because he's a predator. 1105 00:47:42,427 --> 00:47:44,862 He clearly set the path and tried 1106 00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:46,998 to trap these women in his hotel room 1107 00:47:46,998 --> 00:47:48,233 or in his house, 1108 00:47:48,233 --> 00:47:51,502 wherever it was, he tried to make it happen, 1109 00:47:51,502 --> 00:47:53,271 and I don't think it's that simple 1110 00:47:53,271 --> 00:47:54,805 of going to one week of rehab 1111 00:47:54,805 --> 00:47:56,607 and just being like, "I'm sorry." 1112 00:47:56,607 --> 00:47:58,309 I have no sympathy for him, 1113 00:47:58,309 --> 00:48:00,311 because honestly, this is a behavior 1114 00:48:00,311 --> 00:48:01,646 that's gone on for decades 1115 00:48:01,646 --> 00:48:04,515 and one week of rehab is not going to solve 1116 00:48:04,515 --> 00:48:05,951 your problems. 1117 00:48:05,951 --> 00:48:07,986 - I think we're passed the point of sexual addiction here. 1118 00:48:07,986 --> 00:48:09,487 This is not a sex addict. 1119 00:48:09,487 --> 00:48:13,358 This is a rapist, this is a predator, 1120 00:48:13,358 --> 00:48:15,493 this is an abuser. 1121 00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:19,264 A victimizer, 1122 00:48:20,331 --> 00:48:22,100 he's a complete monster. 1123 00:48:23,501 --> 00:48:25,736 - Like a lot of malignant narcissists, 1124 00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:27,672 which I have no doubt that he is, 1125 00:48:27,672 --> 00:48:30,575 Harvey believed that he was capable of everything. 1126 00:48:30,575 --> 00:48:33,678 He was a super human, super power 1127 00:48:33,678 --> 00:48:37,182 who could do whatever he wanted to, 1128 00:48:37,182 --> 00:48:38,716 and get away with it. 1129 00:48:38,716 --> 00:48:41,953 All you have to look at is his initial statement 1130 00:48:41,953 --> 00:48:44,622 after the women bravely came forward in the Times, 1131 00:48:44,622 --> 00:48:47,492 after the New York Magazine piece exposed him 1132 00:48:47,492 --> 00:48:51,629 for being such a horrendous monster. 1133 00:48:51,629 --> 00:48:55,333 He still thinks he's gonna go to a quick trip 1134 00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:57,935 to Arizona sex rehab and be back 1135 00:48:57,935 --> 00:49:02,873 at the top of his game, no understanding whatsoever. 1136 00:49:02,873 --> 00:49:06,611 - There is definitely the appearance 1137 00:49:06,611 --> 00:49:09,547 that he is admitting to something inappropriate. 1138 00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:13,518 Or he's doing it 'cause he thinks 1139 00:49:13,518 --> 00:49:17,422 he can just do a public relations clean up, 1140 00:49:17,422 --> 00:49:19,124 that, "Okay, I'm gonna go to this place. 1141 00:49:19,124 --> 00:49:20,358 "I'm going to admit my problem. 1142 00:49:20,358 --> 00:49:21,492 "I'm gonna come out and tell everyone, 1143 00:49:21,492 --> 00:49:22,960 "look, I'm better now." 1144 00:49:25,463 --> 00:49:26,797 If I was a betting man, 1145 00:49:28,166 --> 00:49:30,468 I would bet on Harvey thinks this is a great public 1146 00:49:30,468 --> 00:49:31,302 relations move, 1147 00:49:33,004 --> 00:49:35,773 and I don't think it's gonna work 1148 00:49:35,773 --> 00:49:38,109 in any way, shape, or form. 1149 00:49:40,145 --> 00:49:41,946 Harvey is done. 1150 00:49:41,946 --> 00:49:44,482 Harvey's career in Hollywood is over. 1151 00:49:44,482 --> 00:49:46,151 I don't know where else Harvey can even 1152 00:49:46,151 --> 00:49:47,785 have a career 1153 00:49:47,785 --> 00:49:50,055 and now we're looking at prosecutors 1154 00:49:50,055 --> 00:49:52,557 in several cities around the world 1155 00:49:52,557 --> 00:49:55,060 who are looking into these rape allegations 1156 00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:57,495 and are looking to bring charges against him, 1157 00:49:57,495 --> 00:50:00,831 so if he is charged with rape, 1158 00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:06,404 either to trial or he does some sort of plea bargain, 1159 00:50:06,404 --> 00:50:10,975 he's looking at spending many years in prison 1160 00:50:10,975 --> 00:50:13,144 if not the rest of his life. 1161 00:50:13,144 --> 00:50:15,913 (dramatic music) 1162 00:50:21,652 --> 00:50:23,020 - [Narrator] The sheer number of people 1163 00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:25,756 coming forward to share their own experiences 1164 00:50:25,756 --> 00:50:27,758 at the hands of powerful and dangerous men 1165 00:50:27,758 --> 00:50:30,027 in Hollywood shocked the world. 1166 00:50:31,496 --> 00:50:33,331 But to those in the industry, 1167 00:50:33,331 --> 00:50:36,734 this was nothing more than a long awaited spotlight 1168 00:50:36,734 --> 00:50:38,969 shining light on a dark truth. 1169 00:50:40,705 --> 00:50:42,173 - The idea of the casting couch 1170 00:50:42,173 --> 00:50:44,075 and the recent allegations that have come out 1171 00:50:44,075 --> 00:50:46,511 have not been shocking to anyone in Hollywood. 1172 00:50:46,511 --> 00:50:49,114 Unfortunately, the extent of some of the allegations 1173 00:50:49,114 --> 00:50:52,049 have been the most surprising thing. 1174 00:50:52,049 --> 00:50:54,085 I think people knew that it was not a very 1175 00:50:54,085 --> 00:50:56,387 well kept secret, that actors and actresses 1176 00:50:56,387 --> 00:50:58,256 were propositioned by directors 1177 00:50:58,256 --> 00:51:00,091 or spoken to inappropriately, 1178 00:51:00,091 --> 00:51:03,394 however I don't believe that the pervasiveness, 1179 00:51:03,394 --> 00:51:05,430 especially of the allegations against Harvey Weinstein 1180 00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:06,697 were known. 1181 00:51:06,697 --> 00:51:08,433 - The casting culture has been around since 1182 00:51:08,433 --> 00:51:10,735 the beginning of castings. 1183 00:51:10,735 --> 00:51:14,405 I know everyone says this, but it's true, 1184 00:51:14,405 --> 00:51:16,841 it's in every industry, 1185 00:51:16,841 --> 00:51:19,744 so we call it casting here in Hollywood, 1186 00:51:19,744 --> 00:51:22,713 but in another industry, they just call it applying 1187 00:51:22,713 --> 00:51:25,850 for a job, so it's really, 1188 00:51:25,850 --> 00:51:27,252 since the beginning of time, 1189 00:51:27,252 --> 00:51:29,454 since people had power 1190 00:51:29,454 --> 00:51:30,621 and there are other people who wanna 1191 00:51:30,621 --> 00:51:32,290 be part of their world, 1192 00:51:32,290 --> 00:51:33,791 there are people out there who take advantage 1193 00:51:33,791 --> 00:51:36,026 of that power, take advantage of people 1194 00:51:36,026 --> 00:51:37,695 who want something so badly. 1195 00:51:38,863 --> 00:51:40,831 - The Hollywood casting couch has been around 1196 00:51:40,831 --> 00:51:43,668 for as long as they've been making movies. 1197 00:51:43,668 --> 00:51:45,636 This is a dynamic where you have 1198 00:51:45,636 --> 00:51:47,372 a lot of very powerful men 1199 00:51:47,372 --> 00:51:50,541 and a lot of very young, beautiful women, 1200 00:51:50,541 --> 00:51:54,279 and it just has naturally evolved 1201 00:51:54,279 --> 00:51:58,749 into a very dark and ugly, predatory arrangement. 1202 00:51:58,749 --> 00:52:02,420 Going back all the way to the big studio heads 1203 00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:05,690 who wielded unprecedented power in Hollywood, 1204 00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:07,792 these men preyed, very frequently, 1205 00:52:07,792 --> 00:52:10,395 on young ingenue starlet actresses 1206 00:52:10,395 --> 00:52:12,730 and, in fact, one Hollywood mogul 1207 00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:16,167 even had an office next to his main office 1208 00:52:16,167 --> 00:52:18,536 where he would audition starlets every day 1209 00:52:18,536 --> 00:52:21,005 between four and 4:30 PM 1210 00:52:21,005 --> 00:52:23,174 and everybody knew what audition meant. 1211 00:52:23,174 --> 00:52:26,244 You have very famous stories of you actresses 1212 00:52:26,244 --> 00:52:29,847 like Shirley Temple, who had an MGM producer 1213 00:52:29,847 --> 00:52:33,083 expose themself to her when she was just 12 years old, 1214 00:52:33,083 --> 00:52:35,486 stories about Louis B. Meyer who was running 1215 00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:37,788 the big Hollywood studio at the time, 1216 00:52:37,788 --> 00:52:41,192 who was basically feeling up Judy Garland 1217 00:52:41,192 --> 00:52:42,527 every time she would come in. 1218 00:52:42,527 --> 00:52:44,229 She was a young singer, actress, 1219 00:52:44,229 --> 00:52:46,431 and he would put his hand on her breasts 1220 00:52:46,431 --> 00:52:49,133 and say, "This is where you sing from. 1221 00:52:49,133 --> 00:52:50,401 "This is how you sing." 1222 00:52:50,401 --> 00:52:53,471 And he used it as an excuse to molest her. 1223 00:52:53,471 --> 00:52:56,541 The stories that have long been apart 1224 00:52:56,541 --> 00:52:58,276 of Hollywood folklore 1225 00:52:58,276 --> 00:53:00,278 are dark and ugly, 1226 00:53:00,278 --> 00:53:02,247 but it's only now, I think, 1227 00:53:02,247 --> 00:53:04,649 in recent times that people are actually 1228 00:53:04,649 --> 00:53:07,051 calling these what they are, 1229 00:53:07,051 --> 00:53:10,321 which is sexual predation and in some cases, rape. 1230 00:53:13,090 --> 00:53:16,294 The Hollywood casting couch really is about power, 1231 00:53:16,294 --> 00:53:18,596 and you have a lot of very powerful men 1232 00:53:18,596 --> 00:53:21,399 who are taking advantage of that power. 1233 00:53:21,399 --> 00:53:23,200 We see it across all industries. 1234 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,002 You see it in investment banking, 1235 00:53:25,002 --> 00:53:27,004 you see it in any industry where 1236 00:53:27,004 --> 00:53:29,507 there are a lot of men in positions of power 1237 00:53:29,507 --> 00:53:31,742 and women who are not. 1238 00:53:31,742 --> 00:53:34,879 In the years between something like 2006 and 2017 1239 00:53:34,879 --> 00:53:39,884 only 4% of Hollywood directors were female, 1240 00:53:40,818 --> 00:53:42,420 and 80% of those female directors 1241 00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:44,188 only ever got to make one movie. 1242 00:53:45,923 --> 00:53:48,092 The balance of power in Hollywood is massively skewed 1243 00:53:48,092 --> 00:53:51,228 in favor of men and anytime 1244 00:53:51,228 --> 00:53:54,031 you get a group of men that are this powerful 1245 00:53:54,031 --> 00:53:57,034 and women who are trying to break through, 1246 00:53:57,034 --> 00:53:59,337 there are always going to be those bad apples 1247 00:53:59,337 --> 00:54:01,005 who use their position of power 1248 00:54:01,005 --> 00:54:02,873 in a way to abuse women. 1249 00:54:03,774 --> 00:54:06,511 (dramatic music) 1250 00:54:06,511 --> 00:54:07,745 - So we've seen other cases in Hollywood 1251 00:54:07,745 --> 00:54:10,648 and these men have been forgiven in some ways, 1252 00:54:10,648 --> 00:54:12,850 but I think people are starting to reconsider 1253 00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:14,619 whether they should be forgiven. 1254 00:54:14,619 --> 00:54:16,521 You take a look at the Roman Polanski, 1255 00:54:18,022 --> 00:54:21,258 he was convicted of raping a 13 year old 1256 00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:23,528 and he had her under the influence of alcohol 1257 00:54:23,528 --> 00:54:26,163 and drugs, he was charged with sodomy and rape 1258 00:54:26,163 --> 00:54:28,499 and you have to sit there and take a look, 1259 00:54:28,499 --> 00:54:31,302 he's clearly guilty and he fled the country. 1260 00:54:31,302 --> 00:54:34,138 He did not want to serve any jail time, 1261 00:54:34,138 --> 00:54:36,073 but he's still been able to work 1262 00:54:36,073 --> 00:54:37,475 in the entertainment industry, 1263 00:54:37,475 --> 00:54:39,477 and he's been nominated for Oscars 1264 00:54:39,477 --> 00:54:42,613 and the actors will go and fly over to Europe 1265 00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:43,814 and work with him, 1266 00:54:43,814 --> 00:54:45,883 so clearly there's some sort of forgiveness 1267 00:54:45,883 --> 00:54:47,284 if you're okay with that, 1268 00:54:47,284 --> 00:54:49,119 and then you take a look at Woody Allen, 1269 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,356 and again, A list stars are always 1270 00:54:51,356 --> 00:54:53,758 willing to work with Woody even though, 1271 00:54:53,758 --> 00:54:56,160 and we all know this, that he went 1272 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,663 and had an affair with his stepdaughter 1273 00:54:58,663 --> 00:55:00,197 who was under 18 at the time 1274 00:55:00,197 --> 00:55:01,832 and then it continued on until 1275 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,302 she was a legal age and now they are married 1276 00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:06,604 and they have kids, 1277 00:55:06,604 --> 00:55:08,773 but come on, it's really creepy, 1278 00:55:08,773 --> 00:55:10,608 and on top of that, he was then accused 1279 00:55:10,608 --> 00:55:15,413 of molesting another one of his wife's siblings, 1280 00:55:15,413 --> 00:55:17,915 and it's really complicated 1281 00:55:17,915 --> 00:55:19,950 and it's gross and everything else, 1282 00:55:19,950 --> 00:55:21,251 but again, actors aren't saying, 1283 00:55:21,251 --> 00:55:22,487 "You know what? 1284 00:55:22,487 --> 00:55:23,654 "I shouldn't be working with him." 1285 00:55:23,654 --> 00:55:24,989 But now I think people are really gonna 1286 00:55:24,989 --> 00:55:26,256 open their eyes. 1287 00:55:26,256 --> 00:55:27,492 - No one was immune. 1288 00:55:27,492 --> 00:55:30,695 Even Joan Collins, who was famous at the time, 1289 00:55:30,695 --> 00:55:33,498 and was up the lead part of Cleopatra. 1290 00:55:33,498 --> 00:55:35,933 Cleopatra, she was the front runner for the role, 1291 00:55:35,933 --> 00:55:37,535 and she said the director basically 1292 00:55:37,535 --> 00:55:39,670 said to her, "If you really want this role, 1293 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:42,440 "you have to be nice to me." 1294 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,775 Which in the 1960s meant have sex with me. 1295 00:55:44,775 --> 00:55:48,846 She didn't and she lost the role to Elizabeth Taylor, 1296 00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:50,681 but no one is immune. 1297 00:55:50,681 --> 00:55:53,283 Helen Mirren talked about how one particular 1298 00:55:53,283 --> 00:55:54,685 director, Michael Winner, treated her 1299 00:55:54,685 --> 00:55:56,020 like a piece of meat. 1300 00:55:56,020 --> 00:56:00,391 You go from the most prestigious powerful 1301 00:56:00,391 --> 00:56:01,826 respected leading lady 1302 00:56:01,826 --> 00:56:05,663 to the youngest ingenue reality star starlet, 1303 00:56:05,663 --> 00:56:08,666 everyone at every level seems to have experienced 1304 00:56:08,666 --> 00:56:11,268 something like this. 1305 00:56:11,268 --> 00:56:13,303 - One of the most famous cases 1306 00:56:13,303 --> 00:56:16,607 is Tippi Hedren and director Alfred Hitchcock. 1307 00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:18,843 Now he was obsessed with her 1308 00:56:18,843 --> 00:56:21,278 and she was a part of his muses 1309 00:56:21,278 --> 00:56:23,648 that they were called his icy blondes, 1310 00:56:23,648 --> 00:56:25,282 and I think what was interesting 1311 00:56:25,282 --> 00:56:27,418 is that in her book last year, 1312 00:56:27,418 --> 00:56:30,220 Tippi actually talked about several incidents 1313 00:56:30,220 --> 00:56:33,057 where he was sexually harassing her, 1314 00:56:33,057 --> 00:56:34,659 he was sexually assaulting her, 1315 00:56:34,659 --> 00:56:37,194 and she was constantly fending him off. 1316 00:56:37,194 --> 00:56:39,329 Oftentimes, he would throw himself on her. 1317 00:56:39,329 --> 00:56:41,198 He would touch her inappropriately, 1318 00:56:41,198 --> 00:56:42,433 and if she didn't respond, 1319 00:56:42,433 --> 00:56:44,735 he would not only be mean to her, 1320 00:56:44,735 --> 00:56:46,303 actually downright cruel, 1321 00:56:46,303 --> 00:56:47,972 but he also told her one time, 1322 00:56:47,972 --> 00:56:49,707 "I'm going to ruin your career 1323 00:56:49,707 --> 00:56:51,476 "if you don't sleep with me." 1324 00:56:51,476 --> 00:56:54,411 And essentially, that is what he did. 1325 00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:56,847 They were in the middle of filming Marnie 1326 00:56:56,847 --> 00:56:58,048 when he told her that 1327 00:56:58,048 --> 00:56:59,950 and he basically didn't talk to her anymore. 1328 00:56:59,950 --> 00:57:01,786 They finished the film, 1329 00:57:01,786 --> 00:57:04,288 but he made sure that she never worked again 1330 00:57:04,288 --> 00:57:07,091 and remember, her whole career was really started 1331 00:57:07,091 --> 00:57:08,325 thanks to Alfred Hitchcock 1332 00:57:08,325 --> 00:57:10,528 and he started it and he ended it. 1333 00:57:10,528 --> 00:57:12,797 He had that much power. 1334 00:57:12,797 --> 00:57:14,765 - I think it's been going on since man and woman 1335 00:57:14,765 --> 00:57:16,934 were put on this earth, 1336 00:57:16,934 --> 00:57:18,202 and I don't think there's anything 1337 00:57:18,202 --> 00:57:19,770 that's going to stop it. 1338 00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:21,806 I think that was has to happen 1339 00:57:21,806 --> 00:57:25,910 is young people have to be educated 1340 00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:30,180 in what they can accept 1341 00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:32,349 or what they should accept, 1342 00:57:32,349 --> 00:57:33,484 what they shouldn't accept, 1343 00:57:34,652 --> 00:57:36,554 and it should be made very clear for them. 1344 00:57:36,554 --> 00:57:38,989 Alfred Hitchcock told me he'd ruin my career, 1345 00:57:40,424 --> 00:57:42,793 and I stood up and as I was walking out the door, 1346 00:57:42,793 --> 00:57:44,929 I said, "Do what you have to do." 1347 00:57:44,929 --> 00:57:47,998 And I think it was the best door slamming 1348 00:57:47,998 --> 00:57:49,366 I've ever done. 1349 00:57:49,366 --> 00:57:51,301 This isn't unique to Hollywood. 1350 00:57:51,301 --> 00:57:53,638 It's just that Hollywood is more glamorous 1351 00:57:53,638 --> 00:57:55,405 and it's more fun to talk about 1352 00:57:55,405 --> 00:57:58,208 when it's an actress and a big producer, 1353 00:57:58,208 --> 00:58:00,945 and that makes a story. 1354 00:58:00,945 --> 00:58:05,315 That sort of activity needs to be brought out 1355 00:58:05,315 --> 00:58:09,186 and that there are women who will say no 1356 00:58:09,186 --> 00:58:13,123 and you are absolutely wrong in even attempting this, 1357 00:58:15,125 --> 00:58:18,729 and we have a right to act out 1358 00:58:18,729 --> 00:58:21,766 how we feel about that kind of thing. 1359 00:58:24,669 --> 00:58:26,704 - [Interviewer] To women who are wondering about 1360 00:58:26,704 --> 00:58:28,539 speaking out, what is your message to them? 1361 00:58:28,539 --> 00:58:30,007 - Keep it up. 1362 00:58:30,007 --> 00:58:31,709 It's the only way it's gonna stop. 1363 00:58:33,177 --> 00:58:34,912 You don't have to put up with that. 1364 00:58:36,213 --> 00:58:39,149 There's a not a reason in the world, 1365 00:58:39,149 --> 00:58:40,350 not a good one. 1366 00:58:41,251 --> 00:58:44,021 (dramatic music) 1367 00:58:45,089 --> 00:58:46,991 - More people come forward, 1368 00:58:46,991 --> 00:58:51,228 the more it's talked about, 1369 00:58:51,228 --> 00:58:54,899 the less victims are going to feel 1370 00:58:54,899 --> 00:58:56,767 like they don't have anywhere to go, 1371 00:58:56,767 --> 00:58:58,603 and now they can go somewhere, 1372 00:58:58,603 --> 00:59:02,907 it's not shameful, it's not something 1373 00:59:02,907 --> 00:59:05,943 that's going to threaten their entire lives. 1374 00:59:05,943 --> 00:59:07,144 That they could survive. 1375 00:59:08,512 --> 00:59:11,949 (dramatic music) 1376 00:59:11,949 --> 00:59:13,417 - [Narrator] The Me Too movement 1377 00:59:13,417 --> 00:59:16,453 has only been made possible by social media 1378 00:59:16,453 --> 00:59:18,255 and even though the movement began 1379 00:59:18,255 --> 00:59:20,858 in response to the Weinstein allegations, 1380 00:59:20,858 --> 00:59:23,994 it has become a symbol of strength and unity 1381 00:59:23,994 --> 00:59:27,031 to all those affected by sexual abuse. 1382 00:59:27,031 --> 00:59:29,767 (dramatic music) 1383 00:59:31,235 --> 00:59:33,470 - So what was interesting about all of these Harvey 1384 00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:37,274 stories is that it really fueled a social media 1385 00:59:37,274 --> 00:59:40,444 frenzy with the hashtag me too, 1386 00:59:40,444 --> 00:59:44,048 and celebrity and TV star Alyssa Milano 1387 00:59:44,048 --> 00:59:46,516 really came forward and just started pushing 1388 00:59:46,516 --> 00:59:48,653 the hashtag and a lot of women 1389 00:59:48,653 --> 00:59:50,154 just started sharing their stories 1390 00:59:50,154 --> 00:59:52,056 and saying, "This happened to me when I was a kid. 1391 00:59:52,056 --> 00:59:53,490 "This happened to me in college. 1392 00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:55,159 "This happened to me last week." 1393 00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:57,227 And it was amazing to see 1394 00:59:57,227 --> 00:59:59,363 that not only was it happening in Hollywood, 1395 00:59:59,363 --> 01:00:00,665 it was happening in sports, 1396 01:00:00,665 --> 01:00:02,967 it was happening in the tech industry, 1397 01:00:02,967 --> 01:00:04,669 it happens in politics. 1398 01:00:04,669 --> 01:00:07,104 It's not just limited to Los Angeles. 1399 01:00:07,104 --> 01:00:08,873 It is happening all over the place 1400 01:00:08,873 --> 01:00:11,008 and I think women are starting to feel 1401 01:00:11,008 --> 01:00:12,509 okay about sharing their stories. 1402 01:00:12,509 --> 01:00:13,678 There's no shame. 1403 01:00:13,678 --> 01:00:14,979 We're here to support each other, 1404 01:00:14,979 --> 01:00:17,047 and I'm glad people are paying attention. 1405 01:00:18,015 --> 01:00:20,117 (dramatic music) 1406 01:00:20,117 --> 01:00:22,552 I think what's helpful in this situation 1407 01:00:22,552 --> 01:00:25,923 is social media has been a big player 1408 01:00:25,923 --> 01:00:28,258 when it comes to sharing these stories. 1409 01:00:28,258 --> 01:00:30,327 You realize that famous women 1410 01:00:30,327 --> 01:00:32,429 and not so famous women, people from just 1411 01:00:32,429 --> 01:00:34,231 average walks of life have experienced 1412 01:00:34,231 --> 01:00:35,700 the same exact thing 1413 01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:37,234 and realizing we're all the same, 1414 01:00:37,234 --> 01:00:41,171 and I think it's really helped everyone 1415 01:00:41,171 --> 01:00:43,073 feel better about the situation 1416 01:00:43,073 --> 01:00:44,608 and then now take action 1417 01:00:44,608 --> 01:00:46,777 on how we're not going to have this happen again, 1418 01:00:46,777 --> 01:00:48,278 and that's what we really saw 1419 01:00:48,278 --> 01:00:49,947 when it came to that me too hashtag. 1420 01:00:49,947 --> 01:00:52,482 - It's life changing, it's life changing, 1421 01:00:52,482 --> 01:00:54,318 and we create cultural content 1422 01:00:54,318 --> 01:00:55,886 and we know that we have to get our own house 1423 01:00:55,886 --> 01:00:57,221 in order, our representation of women 1424 01:00:57,221 --> 01:01:00,157 and people of color and LGBTQ folks 1425 01:01:00,157 --> 01:01:03,527 is frankly still really poor 1426 01:01:03,527 --> 01:01:05,529 and there's a lot of room for improvement, 1427 01:01:05,529 --> 01:01:07,965 and we have our 50 50 by 2020 push, 1428 01:01:07,965 --> 01:01:10,667 which is to have 50% women and 50% men 1429 01:01:10,667 --> 01:01:14,872 across all positions across our entire industry 1430 01:01:14,872 --> 01:01:18,709 including putting women in positions of decision making, 1431 01:01:18,709 --> 01:01:20,878 and through our leadership, 1432 01:01:20,878 --> 01:01:22,479 we hope that the rest of the country 1433 01:01:22,479 --> 01:01:25,249 continues to catch fire with this revolution 1434 01:01:25,249 --> 01:01:27,885 of safer workspaces for everyone. 1435 01:01:29,353 --> 01:01:32,489 (dramatic music) 1436 01:01:32,489 --> 01:01:34,792 - My greatest fear was that it would be 1437 01:01:34,792 --> 01:01:37,561 a flash in the pan and we'd move on to the next outrage 1438 01:01:37,561 --> 01:01:39,129 coming from the White House. 1439 01:01:39,129 --> 01:01:44,134 Instead, it really does feel like something seismic 1440 01:01:45,335 --> 01:01:48,438 is happening in the way we look at the balance 1441 01:01:48,438 --> 01:01:50,507 of power, the way women are excluded 1442 01:01:50,507 --> 01:01:53,878 from most of the areas of the decision 1443 01:01:53,878 --> 01:01:58,849 making level, in government, in boardrooms, 1444 01:01:59,750 --> 01:02:02,286 in business, in the media, 1445 01:02:02,286 --> 01:02:06,490 and the abuses that fall from that imbalance, 1446 01:02:06,490 --> 01:02:09,026 so that's what the correction is gonna be. 1447 01:02:09,026 --> 01:02:10,227 It's going to be very messy. 1448 01:02:10,227 --> 01:02:14,098 Somebody said in the Times Up group, 1449 01:02:14,098 --> 01:02:15,833 which I'm apart, 1450 01:02:15,833 --> 01:02:19,103 that we're building the airplane as we're 1451 01:02:19,103 --> 01:02:21,705 taking it out down the runway, 1452 01:02:21,705 --> 01:02:25,009 and that's the mess of it, 1453 01:02:25,009 --> 01:02:28,678 but I think it's a really, really valuable shift 1454 01:02:28,678 --> 01:02:31,215 that I feel happening. 1455 01:02:31,215 --> 01:02:32,149 - [Interviewer] What about the backlash 1456 01:02:32,149 --> 01:02:34,151 against yourself, obviously? 1457 01:02:34,151 --> 01:02:37,855 After you made that speech at the Golden Globes, 1458 01:02:37,855 --> 01:02:39,556 it's like you put your head above the parapet. 1459 01:02:39,556 --> 01:02:41,058 People are gonna take aim, 1460 01:02:41,058 --> 01:02:42,626 and it feels like that's what's happening with you 1461 01:02:42,626 --> 01:02:45,262 now, people saying, "Weinstein, she must have known." 1462 01:02:46,663 --> 01:02:48,032 - Yes. 1463 01:02:48,032 --> 01:02:52,369 I think I'm taking the hit for an entire group 1464 01:02:52,369 --> 01:02:57,374 of people who worked with Harvey Weinstein, 1465 01:02:57,374 --> 01:02:58,642 but the people... 1466 01:03:00,510 --> 01:03:05,349 What's difficult about this is that it precedes him, 1467 01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:06,817 these abuses, 1468 01:03:06,817 --> 01:03:10,988 and there was Roger Ales who ran the Fox Network, 1469 01:03:10,988 --> 01:03:15,993 there was Bill O'Reilly, who Fox paid out 1470 01:03:17,661 --> 01:03:22,566 35 million dollars in silence money to women 1471 01:03:22,566 --> 01:03:27,004 and sexual harassment suits. 1472 01:03:27,004 --> 01:03:31,641 In our country, the settlement of a sexual harassment suit 1473 01:03:31,641 --> 01:03:33,710 is a legitimate tax deduction. 1474 01:03:34,879 --> 01:03:37,882 It's built into the way of doing business. 1475 01:03:37,882 --> 01:03:39,716 This is outrageous, 1476 01:03:39,716 --> 01:03:43,620 and it is again, because the balance of power 1477 01:03:43,620 --> 01:03:46,290 that's off, as for me taking-- 1478 01:03:46,290 --> 01:03:47,524 - [Interviewer] But you knew about these things, 1479 01:03:47,524 --> 01:03:49,526 you didn't know about these things until now? 1480 01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:52,529 - Well, the specific, no. 1481 01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:54,098 We know that people are jerks. 1482 01:03:54,098 --> 01:03:55,866 We know that there's a lot of people 1483 01:03:55,866 --> 01:03:57,101 that are assholes out there, 1484 01:03:57,101 --> 01:03:58,502 we know that there's a lot of people 1485 01:03:58,502 --> 01:04:01,705 that utilize their position and their gravitas 1486 01:04:01,705 --> 01:04:04,574 for something other, lot of times it's riches, 1487 01:04:04,574 --> 01:04:06,576 a lot of times it's just fun to be storytellers, 1488 01:04:06,576 --> 01:04:08,212 but a lot of times it's been able 1489 01:04:08,212 --> 01:04:10,047 to take advantage of the people 1490 01:04:10,047 --> 01:04:13,017 who are powerless against you. 1491 01:04:13,017 --> 01:04:15,419 That's, without a doubt, 1492 01:04:15,419 --> 01:04:16,853 that's been part and pull, 1493 01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:18,122 and you hear stories and you go like, 1494 01:04:18,122 --> 01:04:20,790 we all have joined a circus here, 1495 01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:22,960 and in that circus, there is going 1496 01:04:24,061 --> 01:04:25,429 to be all sorts of inappropriate messages, 1497 01:04:25,429 --> 01:04:27,031 inappropriate behavior, 1498 01:04:27,031 --> 01:04:31,235 and some stuff downright sexual predatory aspects of it. 1499 01:04:31,235 --> 01:04:33,403 What can come out of all this 1500 01:04:33,403 --> 01:04:36,506 is understanding, look, sex and flirting 1501 01:04:36,506 --> 01:04:38,175 and whatever you wanna call it, 1502 01:04:38,175 --> 01:04:41,045 affairs of the flesh are never going to go away, 1503 01:04:41,045 --> 01:04:43,513 but what can go hand in hand with that 1504 01:04:43,513 --> 01:04:46,516 is the parody that where you work 1505 01:04:46,516 --> 01:04:49,353 actually reflects the rest of the world, 1506 01:04:49,353 --> 01:04:51,488 that it's not one gender having control 1507 01:04:51,488 --> 01:04:56,493 proportionally, when in fact it should be 1508 01:04:57,227 --> 01:04:58,695 somewhere around 50 50 1509 01:04:58,695 --> 01:05:00,664 and when it is 50 50, 1510 01:05:00,664 --> 01:05:02,232 I think there's gonna be board members 1511 01:05:02,232 --> 01:05:03,733 who are gonna say, 1512 01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:06,370 "We are paying out millions of dollars for what exactly?" 1513 01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:07,837 And then you're gonna see-- - Won't happen. 1514 01:05:07,837 --> 01:05:09,306 - And then you're gonna see a difference. 1515 01:05:09,306 --> 01:05:10,874 - [Interviewer] If you were on the set together 1516 01:05:10,874 --> 01:05:13,110 and you wanted to put your arm round Meryl, 1517 01:05:13,110 --> 01:05:14,611 you know each other really well as friends, 1518 01:05:14,611 --> 01:05:16,546 put your arm around Meryl's shoulder, 1519 01:05:16,546 --> 01:05:18,248 touch her on the knee, 1520 01:05:18,248 --> 01:05:20,350 are you thinking twice about things like that? 1521 01:05:20,350 --> 01:05:22,119 It works both ways, of course, doesn't it? 1522 01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:24,521 This is the debate that's going on now. 1523 01:05:24,521 --> 01:05:25,990 - Yeah. 1524 01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:27,624 Yeah. 1525 01:05:27,624 --> 01:05:30,427 No, I wouldn't think twice about it, 1526 01:05:30,427 --> 01:05:34,898 and also, with actors, it's a very different thing. 1527 01:05:34,898 --> 01:05:37,767 Tom's not employing me. 1528 01:05:37,767 --> 01:05:39,236 It's a different thing 1529 01:05:39,236 --> 01:05:44,208 when there's an imbalance in the power dynamic. 1530 01:05:45,075 --> 01:05:46,676 If somebody's somebody's boss 1531 01:05:46,676 --> 01:05:50,814 or potentially a woman is trying to get a job, 1532 01:05:50,814 --> 01:05:53,317 it's a very, very different thing. 1533 01:05:53,317 --> 01:05:57,821 In the United States, there was a newscaster 1534 01:05:57,821 --> 01:05:59,523 who had a button under his desk 1535 01:05:59,523 --> 01:06:01,391 that would lock the door 1536 01:06:01,391 --> 01:06:06,396 when his young women interns would come in. 1537 01:06:07,531 --> 01:06:11,935 These are abuses beyond imagining, honestly, 1538 01:06:13,103 --> 01:06:14,704 and shouldn't be in the workplace. 1539 01:06:14,704 --> 01:06:17,207 Everybody deserves a workplace 1540 01:06:17,207 --> 01:06:19,709 that's respectful and safe. 1541 01:06:19,709 --> 01:06:21,778 That's the simplest piece of it. 1542 01:06:24,114 --> 01:06:25,682 - Well, first of all, can I say 1543 01:06:26,850 --> 01:06:28,085 I think that the women who've come forward 1544 01:06:28,085 --> 01:06:30,754 and talked about their experiences 1545 01:06:30,754 --> 01:06:32,256 in relation to this individual 1546 01:06:32,256 --> 01:06:33,990 have been very brave to do so 1547 01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:36,193 and I commend them for doing that. 1548 01:06:36,193 --> 01:06:38,462 We have an independent body 1549 01:06:38,462 --> 01:06:41,165 here in the UK that looks at these issues 1550 01:06:41,165 --> 01:06:42,666 that will look into the issue 1551 01:06:42,666 --> 01:06:46,336 as to whether his honor should be taken from him. 1552 01:06:46,336 --> 01:06:48,105 They will do that independently, 1553 01:06:48,105 --> 01:06:50,207 and I think we just let them get on with that job. 1554 01:06:50,207 --> 01:06:52,576 - What's interesting is I hear a lot of people 1555 01:06:52,576 --> 01:06:54,844 saying when speaking about girl's empowerment, 1556 01:06:54,844 --> 01:06:57,214 finding and knowing their worth, 1557 01:06:57,214 --> 01:06:58,715 or women's empowerment as well, 1558 01:06:58,715 --> 01:07:00,617 you'll often hear people say, 1559 01:07:00,617 --> 01:07:02,619 "You're helping women find their voices." 1560 01:07:02,619 --> 01:07:04,354 And I fundamentally disagree with that 1561 01:07:04,354 --> 01:07:06,856 because women don't need to find the voice. 1562 01:07:06,856 --> 01:07:08,092 They have a voice. 1563 01:07:08,092 --> 01:07:09,759 They need to feel empowered to use it, 1564 01:07:09,759 --> 01:07:11,628 and people need to be encouraged to listen, 1565 01:07:11,628 --> 01:07:13,363 and I think right now in the climate 1566 01:07:13,363 --> 01:07:16,266 that we're seeing so many campaigns, 1567 01:07:16,266 --> 01:07:18,402 Me Too and Times Up, 1568 01:07:18,402 --> 01:07:19,903 there is no better time 1569 01:07:19,903 --> 01:07:21,971 than to really continue to shine a light 1570 01:07:21,971 --> 01:07:24,641 on women feeling empowered 1571 01:07:24,641 --> 01:07:26,576 and people really helping to support them, 1572 01:07:26,576 --> 01:07:28,545 men included in that, 1573 01:07:28,545 --> 01:07:30,847 I mean, it makes such a tremendous difference. 1574 01:07:32,316 --> 01:07:34,184 - I think the good thing that is happening 1575 01:07:34,184 --> 01:07:35,785 with the Harvey Weinstein situation 1576 01:07:35,785 --> 01:07:38,955 is the fact that it is going to be a domino effect. 1577 01:07:38,955 --> 01:07:40,890 We are going to see women finally saying, 1578 01:07:40,890 --> 01:07:42,892 "You know what, I'm not going to accept this. 1579 01:07:42,892 --> 01:07:45,562 "I'm gonna tell people about what happened to me 1580 01:07:45,562 --> 01:07:47,597 "so they can learn from that experience." 1581 01:07:47,597 --> 01:07:49,199 And we have seen that start to happen 1582 01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:51,568 with Kevin Spacey, we've seen allegations 1583 01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:53,069 against even Ben Affleck, 1584 01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:57,641 we've seen allegations against Bryan Singer, the director, 1585 01:07:57,641 --> 01:07:59,843 and we are starting to see, 1586 01:07:59,843 --> 01:08:01,077 it's like a house of cards, 1587 01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:03,747 it just literally is starting to fall away, 1588 01:08:03,747 --> 01:08:07,351 and we've heard like five, six, seven stories. 1589 01:08:07,351 --> 01:08:09,119 I think there's a lot more to come. 1590 01:08:11,355 --> 01:08:13,757 - He might be exceptional in terms of the years 1591 01:08:14,958 --> 01:08:16,092 and the number of women he targeted, 1592 01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:17,494 but this is a culture in Hollywood. 1593 01:08:17,494 --> 01:08:20,630 It extends well beyond Harvey Weinstein. 1594 01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:22,666 There are dozens of other Harvey Weinsteins 1595 01:08:22,666 --> 01:08:24,100 in Hollywood. 1596 01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,335 (dramatic music) 1597 01:08:25,335 --> 01:08:27,537 - Look, for every story about Gwyneth Paltrow 1598 01:08:27,537 --> 01:08:29,973 or Charlize Theron being sexually harassed, 1599 01:08:29,973 --> 01:08:31,575 there are also stories 1600 01:08:31,575 --> 01:08:34,678 about all very, very famous leading men 1601 01:08:34,678 --> 01:08:36,079 also being harassed. 1602 01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:37,881 A lot of them haven't come forward 1603 01:08:37,881 --> 01:08:40,184 so I can't name their names, 1604 01:08:40,184 --> 01:08:42,919 but I can talk about Kevin Spacey and Anthony Rapp. 1605 01:08:42,919 --> 01:08:45,522 Anthony Rapp is a young actor, 1606 01:08:45,522 --> 01:08:48,258 was at the time, in particular on stage 1607 01:08:48,258 --> 01:08:50,026 who worked with Kevin Spacey, 1608 01:08:50,026 --> 01:08:51,761 when Kevin Spacey, according to him, 1609 01:08:51,761 --> 01:08:52,962 tried to seduce him. 1610 01:08:54,631 --> 01:08:57,567 Anthony Rapp was one of the first, very brave men 1611 01:08:57,567 --> 01:08:59,803 to come forward and say it's not just women, 1612 01:08:59,803 --> 01:09:01,238 this happened to me. 1613 01:09:01,238 --> 01:09:03,139 I think there are a lot of men 1614 01:09:03,139 --> 01:09:05,942 who are straight, who are living as straight men 1615 01:09:05,942 --> 01:09:09,846 who have been preyed upon by other men 1616 01:09:09,846 --> 01:09:13,183 in the industry but because of perhaps embarrassment 1617 01:09:13,183 --> 01:09:17,153 or confusion or not wanting to come out 1618 01:09:17,153 --> 01:09:19,389 as having had a gay sexual experience 1619 01:09:19,389 --> 01:09:21,691 with a man in power, 1620 01:09:21,691 --> 01:09:24,761 it has caused a certain reluctance on their part. 1621 01:09:24,761 --> 01:09:26,730 Perhaps they feel they have more to lose 1622 01:09:26,730 --> 01:09:29,666 in terms of their public image 1623 01:09:29,666 --> 01:09:33,903 to admit that they slept with a powerful male producer 1624 01:09:33,903 --> 01:09:35,872 or director in order to get a film role, 1625 01:09:35,872 --> 01:09:40,076 but virtually all, quite a few of our most famous 1626 01:09:40,076 --> 01:09:44,013 leading men have been harassed as well. 1627 01:09:44,013 --> 01:09:46,683 - The fact that somebody that powerful, 1628 01:09:46,683 --> 01:09:48,418 his career has been completely ruined, 1629 01:09:48,418 --> 01:09:50,487 and I think that's a real message 1630 01:09:50,487 --> 01:09:53,290 to anybody who would behave like this, 1631 01:09:53,290 --> 01:09:58,295 and I think that social media 1632 01:09:59,463 --> 01:10:00,764 has given everybody a voice and a platform 1633 01:10:00,764 --> 01:10:03,900 and everyone realizes that they're not alone 1634 01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:05,435 and women realize that they're not alone 1635 01:10:05,435 --> 01:10:07,304 and that their voice matters and their voice can be heard 1636 01:10:07,304 --> 01:10:11,140 and that means behavior's going to change. 1637 01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:12,709 - We've seen the Bill Cosby stories, 1638 01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:14,811 we've the president of the United States tell us 1639 01:10:14,811 --> 01:10:16,079 exactly what he does, 1640 01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:18,515 we've seen this go on and on and on, 1641 01:10:18,515 --> 01:10:19,983 and I think we have to get to the point where 1642 01:10:19,983 --> 01:10:21,951 maybe this is it, maybe this is the watershed moment, 1643 01:10:21,951 --> 01:10:23,520 where we believe women, 1644 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,022 where they feel safe, that they can talk about 1645 01:10:26,022 --> 01:10:28,692 what they're experiencing. 1646 01:10:28,692 --> 01:10:29,626 - So we've heard a lot of people 1647 01:10:29,626 --> 01:10:31,127 from the industry talk about it, 1648 01:10:31,127 --> 01:10:35,031 recently we had both Matt Damon and George Clooney 1649 01:10:35,031 --> 01:10:36,733 talking about the situation. 1650 01:10:36,733 --> 01:10:38,835 They've both worked with him in different capacities 1651 01:10:38,835 --> 01:10:41,538 over the years and Matt really owes 1652 01:10:41,538 --> 01:10:44,808 the beginning of his career to Harvey Weinstein, 1653 01:10:44,808 --> 01:10:48,478 and he said, "I didn't know this was going on 1654 01:10:48,478 --> 01:10:50,847 "and it's shocking in some ways, 1655 01:10:50,847 --> 01:10:52,482 "but I have to make sure that I'm protecting 1656 01:10:52,482 --> 01:10:54,451 "the actresses around me 1657 01:10:54,451 --> 01:10:57,153 "and I don't condone this behavior or anything else 1658 01:10:57,153 --> 01:10:59,389 "like that and I don't wanna be apart of it." 1659 01:10:59,389 --> 01:11:01,157 And I think for George Clooney, he said, 1660 01:11:01,157 --> 01:11:03,059 "I did hear stories. 1661 01:11:03,059 --> 01:11:04,294 "Harvey would tell me stories 1662 01:11:04,294 --> 01:11:05,929 "about some of my female friends, 1663 01:11:05,929 --> 01:11:08,398 "and he said that he had slept with them. 1664 01:11:08,398 --> 01:11:10,066 "I just didn't think that they would do that 1665 01:11:10,066 --> 01:11:11,568 "and I didn't believe them, 1666 01:11:11,568 --> 01:11:13,303 "but in the long run, I should have been 1667 01:11:13,303 --> 01:11:15,772 "more proactive about calling him out on that 1668 01:11:15,772 --> 01:11:17,907 "or making sure that my friends were protected." 1669 01:11:17,907 --> 01:11:20,276 And so we're seeing A list celebrities 1670 01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:21,811 willing to speak out 1671 01:11:21,811 --> 01:11:24,414 although everybody's wondering 1672 01:11:24,414 --> 01:11:25,949 what Uma Thurman has. 1673 01:11:25,949 --> 01:11:27,817 She recently spoke and said, 1674 01:11:27,817 --> 01:11:30,354 "I'm too angry right now to speak." 1675 01:11:30,354 --> 01:11:33,623 And she worked extensively with Harvey, 1676 01:11:33,623 --> 01:11:36,326 so I don't know whether she has a personal story 1677 01:11:36,326 --> 01:11:38,828 or she knows of things that happened, 1678 01:11:38,828 --> 01:11:40,864 but she certainly, 1679 01:11:40,864 --> 01:11:42,098 when she's ready to talk, 1680 01:11:42,098 --> 01:11:43,700 I think everyone's ready to listen. 1681 01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:45,402 - So I've been waiting 1682 01:11:46,536 --> 01:11:47,771 to feel less angry, 1683 01:11:48,872 --> 01:11:49,806 and when I'm ready, 1684 01:11:50,707 --> 01:11:52,476 I'll say what I have to say. 1685 01:11:54,744 --> 01:11:56,480 - [Narrator] It would only be months later 1686 01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:59,048 when she was able to share her story. 1687 01:11:59,048 --> 01:12:02,786 According to Thurman in 1994, London Savoy hotel, 1688 01:12:02,786 --> 01:12:04,721 Harvey Weinstein pushed her down 1689 01:12:04,721 --> 01:12:07,323 and tried to force himself upon her. 1690 01:12:07,323 --> 01:12:11,027 She said, "He did all kinds of unpleasant things 1691 01:12:11,027 --> 01:12:13,229 "but he didn't actually put his back into it 1692 01:12:13,229 --> 01:12:14,798 "and forced me. 1693 01:12:14,798 --> 01:12:18,835 "You're like an animal wriggling away, like a lizard." 1694 01:12:18,835 --> 01:12:21,204 She said a bunch of flowers arrived the next day 1695 01:12:21,204 --> 01:12:22,672 with the note reading, 1696 01:12:22,672 --> 01:12:24,708 "You have great instincts." 1697 01:12:27,511 --> 01:12:29,579 - To check what we say, 1698 01:12:29,579 --> 01:12:32,749 how we say it, who we say it to 1699 01:12:32,749 --> 01:12:35,685 is to put that in the spotlight 1700 01:12:35,685 --> 01:12:36,520 is a good thing. 1701 01:12:37,954 --> 01:12:42,959 And as Dylan said, the times they are a changing. 1702 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,664 - It started a few weeks before the Golden Globes 1703 01:12:47,664 --> 01:12:51,801 in 2018, we started hearing that actresses, 1704 01:12:51,801 --> 01:12:53,803 stylists, were pulling black. 1705 01:12:53,803 --> 01:12:56,172 There was a full page ad in one of the Hollywood 1706 01:12:56,172 --> 01:12:59,676 magazines, trade magazines, that said, 1707 01:12:59,676 --> 01:13:01,911 we're wearing black as a sign of solidarity. 1708 01:13:01,911 --> 01:13:03,580 Hashtag times up, 1709 01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:06,950 Times Up is the statement being made 1710 01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:10,186 that we will no longer tolerate sexual predation. 1711 01:13:10,186 --> 01:13:12,155 We will no longer tolerate sexual abuse. 1712 01:13:12,155 --> 01:13:14,624 Your time is up as a predator, 1713 01:13:14,624 --> 01:13:18,928 so in solidarity, we had virtually every actress 1714 01:13:18,928 --> 01:13:21,397 in Hollywood wearing black, 1715 01:13:21,397 --> 01:13:25,702 black dresses as a way to show that they were united 1716 01:13:25,702 --> 01:13:29,506 against the abuses that had been going on. 1717 01:13:29,506 --> 01:13:31,240 Everyone was there to make a statement 1718 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,977 about times up, this is over, 1719 01:13:33,977 --> 01:13:36,513 and then of course, you have Natalie Portman 1720 01:13:36,513 --> 01:13:38,314 on stage announcing the nominees 1721 01:13:38,314 --> 01:13:42,486 for best director, and she pauses and says, 1722 01:13:42,486 --> 01:13:47,223 "And here are the all male nominees for best director." 1723 01:13:47,223 --> 01:13:49,392 It was a very powerful moment 1724 01:13:49,392 --> 01:13:51,461 and the reason is, what Natalie Portman 1725 01:13:51,461 --> 01:13:53,897 was alluding to is the real problem. 1726 01:13:53,897 --> 01:13:55,965 The real problem is that there are so few women 1727 01:13:55,965 --> 01:13:58,568 at the table in Hollywood. 1728 01:13:58,568 --> 01:14:00,937 There are so few women in positions of power 1729 01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:02,171 behind the scenes. 1730 01:14:02,171 --> 01:14:05,642 It's still very much a male dominated industry 1731 01:14:05,642 --> 01:14:07,611 where women don't have a voice, 1732 01:14:07,611 --> 01:14:09,746 and as long as women don't have a voice, 1733 01:14:09,746 --> 01:14:12,782 there are always going to be abuses of power. 1734 01:14:14,484 --> 01:14:16,820 - I think everyone is going to be talking about 1735 01:14:18,321 --> 01:14:19,155 this moment tonight 1736 01:14:20,323 --> 01:14:22,158 and we are amplifying what a lot of people 1737 01:14:22,158 --> 01:14:25,562 have been working for in the country a long time 1738 01:14:25,562 --> 01:14:26,763 for social justice 1739 01:14:26,763 --> 01:14:29,365 and I think because we're Hollywood 1740 01:14:29,365 --> 01:14:30,600 and we're in the spotlight, 1741 01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,369 sometimes I feel like we have a responsibility 1742 01:14:33,369 --> 01:14:35,371 to address issues and especially 1743 01:14:35,371 --> 01:14:37,707 in light of what just happened last year 1744 01:14:37,707 --> 01:14:39,676 and all these brave women coming forward 1745 01:14:39,676 --> 01:14:40,677 and telling their stories 1746 01:14:40,677 --> 01:14:42,946 about harassment and sexual abuse 1747 01:14:42,946 --> 01:14:44,480 in the workplace. 1748 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,616 - This is just the beginning of people talking about it, 1749 01:14:46,616 --> 01:14:48,918 talking on a red carpet about such things, 1750 01:14:50,019 --> 01:14:51,688 there's gotta be a good move. 1751 01:14:53,422 --> 01:14:56,325 - What's so hopeful is that the fact 1752 01:14:56,325 --> 01:14:58,728 that women now are speaking up. 1753 01:14:58,728 --> 01:15:00,329 They're going on Twitter and saying, 1754 01:15:00,329 --> 01:15:01,665 "This happened to me." 1755 01:15:01,665 --> 01:15:03,633 Is giving a lot of men pause. 1756 01:15:03,633 --> 01:15:05,234 I was told that Leo DiCaprio, 1757 01:15:05,234 --> 01:15:09,606 who's famous for his love of very young models, 1758 01:15:09,606 --> 01:15:12,508 has been extra careful as of late 1759 01:15:12,508 --> 01:15:14,177 in social situations 1760 01:15:14,177 --> 01:15:16,279 when he tries to pick up young girls 1761 01:15:16,279 --> 01:15:18,314 because he's now over 40 1762 01:15:18,314 --> 01:15:22,719 and very powerful and even actors like DiCaprio 1763 01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:26,890 who are in this Lothario category 1764 01:15:26,890 --> 01:15:29,292 are changing behavior because they don't want 1765 01:15:29,292 --> 01:15:32,061 to be accused of something later on down the line. 1766 01:15:32,061 --> 01:15:35,298 I do think behavior will change, is changing. 1767 01:15:35,298 --> 01:15:38,067 The real work that has to be done 1768 01:15:38,067 --> 01:15:41,337 is giving women more of a voice in Hollywood. 1769 01:15:41,337 --> 01:15:43,439 I don't think until women have more power 1770 01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,208 it's ever gonna go away, 1771 01:15:45,208 --> 01:15:46,710 but I do think there's an awful lot 1772 01:15:46,710 --> 01:15:50,413 of very nervous men in Hollywood at the moment. 1773 01:15:51,581 --> 01:15:54,784 The day that the Harvey Weinstein story broke, 1774 01:15:54,784 --> 01:15:58,121 you could literally hear the men in Hollywood 1775 01:15:58,121 --> 01:16:00,757 picking up their phone and calling their lawyers 1776 01:16:00,757 --> 01:16:04,227 and saying, "How much trouble am I in?" 1777 01:16:04,227 --> 01:16:07,230 It caused a ripple effect of fear 1778 01:16:07,230 --> 01:16:11,901 and panic amongst Hollywood moguls 1779 01:16:11,901 --> 01:16:14,838 and agents and managers who had abused 1780 01:16:14,838 --> 01:16:18,307 and continued to abuse their power 1781 01:16:18,307 --> 01:16:20,276 with their leading ladies. 1782 01:16:20,276 --> 01:16:23,046 (dramatic music) 1783 01:16:27,684 --> 01:16:29,753 There are, of course, a lot of women 1784 01:16:29,753 --> 01:16:32,956 who agreed to the terms that Harvey Weinstein 1785 01:16:32,956 --> 01:16:34,523 and other men like him set out, 1786 01:16:34,523 --> 01:16:37,727 and they used it to advance their careers. 1787 01:16:37,727 --> 01:16:40,263 I think a lot of those women are silent now 1788 01:16:40,263 --> 01:16:42,565 or they're speaking out about the fact 1789 01:16:42,565 --> 01:16:46,636 that they were forced into the situation. 1790 01:16:46,636 --> 01:16:49,338 It's certainly true that this game, 1791 01:16:49,338 --> 01:16:51,607 this negotiation, I should say, 1792 01:16:51,607 --> 01:16:54,210 of sexual favors in exchange for power, 1793 01:16:54,210 --> 01:16:56,412 has been going on and continues to go on 1794 01:16:56,412 --> 01:16:57,781 in every industry. 1795 01:16:57,781 --> 01:17:00,049 I think in Hollywood, it's so public 1796 01:17:00,049 --> 01:17:01,851 and it's so abused and it's so common 1797 01:17:01,851 --> 01:17:05,889 and now, obviously, so exposed. 1798 01:17:05,889 --> 01:17:08,057 I think for a lot of women, 1799 01:17:08,057 --> 01:17:10,426 Harvey Weinstein preyed, manipulated, 1800 01:17:10,426 --> 01:17:12,061 and forced himself on them 1801 01:17:12,061 --> 01:17:15,564 and in the confusion and the pain and the trauma 1802 01:17:15,564 --> 01:17:17,266 of the aftermath, 1803 01:17:17,266 --> 01:17:19,669 some continued to be his girlfriend, 1804 01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:23,673 some continued to have a sexual relationship with him, 1805 01:17:23,673 --> 01:17:25,975 but I think psychologically 1806 01:17:25,975 --> 01:17:27,410 there's a lot at play there, 1807 01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:29,312 but it could be that it's easier 1808 01:17:29,312 --> 01:17:32,682 to believe that the man who abused you 1809 01:17:32,682 --> 01:17:36,085 was your boyfriend, you just hadn't started dating yet 1810 01:17:36,085 --> 01:17:37,787 than it is to acknowledge the fact 1811 01:17:37,787 --> 01:17:39,155 that you were raped. 1812 01:17:39,155 --> 01:17:41,024 That someone forced himself on you, 1813 01:17:41,024 --> 01:17:43,492 and I think for some of these women 1814 01:17:43,492 --> 01:17:44,861 who seem quite vulnerable, 1815 01:17:44,861 --> 01:17:48,732 once Harvey has assaulted them, 1816 01:17:48,732 --> 01:17:50,166 they convinced themselves 1817 01:17:50,166 --> 01:17:52,101 that there was a relationship there 1818 01:17:52,101 --> 01:17:55,338 in a way to help their own self esteem 1819 01:17:55,338 --> 01:17:58,842 and self worth and a way to handle the situation 1820 01:17:58,842 --> 01:18:00,476 which would have been very traumatic, 1821 01:18:00,476 --> 01:18:03,146 and a way to justify perhaps what they felt 1822 01:18:03,146 --> 01:18:04,480 was their own guilt and shame, 1823 01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:06,049 which they shouldn't have had, 1824 01:18:06,049 --> 01:18:07,951 but is normal to have, 1825 01:18:08,952 --> 01:18:10,686 and their dirtiness about it. 1826 01:18:10,686 --> 01:18:13,456 They felt and they wanted to make themselves 1827 01:18:13,456 --> 01:18:14,590 feel better and so they went on 1828 01:18:14,590 --> 01:18:16,559 to have a relationship with him, 1829 01:18:16,559 --> 01:18:20,063 but it doesn't change the fact 1830 01:18:20,063 --> 01:18:21,831 that they were abused, they were assaulted, 1831 01:18:21,831 --> 01:18:23,032 they were preyed upon. 1832 01:18:23,032 --> 01:18:25,134 Whatever happened after that 1833 01:18:25,134 --> 01:18:26,402 doesn't negate the fact 1834 01:18:26,402 --> 01:18:28,972 that what he did was wrong. 1835 01:18:30,273 --> 01:18:33,042 (dramatic music) 1836 01:18:38,915 --> 01:18:42,218 - Hopefully, it's an end to this whole culture of fear 1837 01:18:42,218 --> 01:18:46,489 and the abuse of actresses 1838 01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:49,392 and I think the story, 1839 01:18:49,392 --> 01:18:50,626 I'm sure more is to come out, 1840 01:18:50,626 --> 01:18:54,263 because if actresses lived under this fear 1841 01:18:54,263 --> 01:18:56,532 that their career might be affected, 1842 01:18:56,532 --> 01:18:57,767 then that clearly indicates 1843 01:18:57,767 --> 01:18:59,168 it's not just that one person. 1844 01:18:59,168 --> 01:19:01,537 There must have been other people. 1845 01:19:01,537 --> 01:19:03,372 There must have been a group of people 1846 01:19:03,372 --> 01:19:08,377 to be able to represent that level of fear. 1847 01:19:10,947 --> 01:19:13,082 I hope also it means that people 1848 01:19:13,082 --> 01:19:17,854 now are much more confident about speaking out, 1849 01:19:17,854 --> 01:19:19,222 and that's not just women, 1850 01:19:19,222 --> 01:19:20,756 that's men as well, 1851 01:19:20,756 --> 01:19:24,693 men who's women friends have told them about an incident, 1852 01:19:24,693 --> 01:19:26,762 something that men have to speak out as well. 1853 01:19:26,762 --> 01:19:28,664 - It feels disheartening, 1854 01:19:28,664 --> 01:19:29,565 the whole time feels disheartening, 1855 01:19:30,733 --> 01:19:31,667 seeing it all the time on television, 1856 01:19:31,667 --> 01:19:33,202 everything, it's oppressive. 1857 01:19:33,202 --> 01:19:36,539 It's good because I think it's catalyst for change. 1858 01:19:36,539 --> 01:19:38,842 I think anger's a great catalyst for change, 1859 01:19:38,842 --> 01:19:42,145 and being in reality about what's really going on 1860 01:19:42,145 --> 01:19:43,679 is really healthy. 1861 01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:44,814 We're not always all able to do it, 1862 01:19:44,814 --> 01:19:45,915 'cause we look at it sometimes, 1863 01:19:45,915 --> 01:19:47,817 it's like, terrifying. 1864 01:19:47,817 --> 01:19:49,752 - Who knew this movement would take place? 1865 01:19:49,752 --> 01:19:53,456 It was very much necessary 1866 01:19:53,456 --> 01:19:55,158 and a long time coming, 1867 01:19:56,492 --> 01:19:58,361 and when we were making it, 1868 01:19:58,361 --> 01:19:59,829 I definitely felt like, 1869 01:19:59,829 --> 01:20:02,098 "Wow, this is a really great girl power message." 1870 01:20:02,098 --> 01:20:03,867 And that was the term that was being used, 1871 01:20:03,867 --> 01:20:05,734 when we were making it, girl power. 1872 01:20:05,734 --> 01:20:07,436 - My heart goes out to anyone 1873 01:20:07,436 --> 01:20:09,939 who suffered through that kind of experience 1874 01:20:09,939 --> 01:20:12,842 and abuse and I hope, 1875 01:20:12,842 --> 01:20:16,779 I'm thankful that women who suffered through that 1876 01:20:16,779 --> 01:20:17,947 have their voices heard 1877 01:20:20,083 --> 01:20:22,886 and as a community we can come together and say 1878 01:20:22,886 --> 01:20:24,420 that's not socially acceptable, 1879 01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:26,689 and we're not gonna stand for that kind of behavior 1880 01:20:26,689 --> 01:20:28,157 and put a stop to it. 1881 01:20:29,358 --> 01:20:31,260 - All the stuff's being revealed now 1882 01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:33,429 and now we have to make a decision 1883 01:20:33,429 --> 01:20:35,131 about who are going forward, 1884 01:20:35,999 --> 01:20:37,333 and it isn't just about women, 1885 01:20:37,333 --> 01:20:39,768 it's about white supremacy, it's about race. 1886 01:20:42,405 --> 01:20:44,073 It's a new time, 1887 01:20:44,073 --> 01:20:45,708 and we all gotta stick together, 1888 01:20:45,708 --> 01:20:47,743 we all gotta cross our comfort zones, 1889 01:20:47,743 --> 01:20:49,378 we all gotta speak up for each other, 1890 01:20:49,378 --> 01:20:50,813 if we wanna change the world. 1891 01:20:50,813 --> 01:20:52,348 If we don't wanna change the world, 1892 01:20:52,348 --> 01:20:54,350 then we stay silent and quiet 1893 01:20:54,350 --> 01:20:56,152 and let the secrets persist 1894 01:20:56,152 --> 01:20:58,922 and everything will stay the way it's going right now. 1895 01:20:58,922 --> 01:21:01,891 - It's women's minds, women's bodies, 1896 01:21:01,891 --> 01:21:03,893 and so they have control of that, 1897 01:21:03,893 --> 01:21:05,528 and so there's need to be respect there. 1898 01:21:05,528 --> 01:21:08,097 There's a line, no means no. 1899 01:21:08,097 --> 01:21:11,000 - What's going on in Hollywood, I believe, 1900 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,401 is solidarity. 1901 01:21:12,401 --> 01:21:16,472 It's what happened when all these women 1902 01:21:16,472 --> 01:21:18,774 shared their story and said, "Me too." 1903 01:21:19,742 --> 01:21:21,610 What happened was connection 1904 01:21:21,610 --> 01:21:23,913 and that's what we all live for, 1905 01:21:23,913 --> 01:21:27,150 we live for belonging to a community, 1906 01:21:27,150 --> 01:21:28,651 and the community has now said, 1907 01:21:28,651 --> 01:21:29,986 "You know what? 1908 01:21:29,986 --> 01:21:31,955 "We're ready to be inclusive." 1909 01:21:31,955 --> 01:21:34,657 I do think it will extend beyond award season 1910 01:21:34,657 --> 01:21:37,593 and what I hope is that it sends a message 1911 01:21:37,593 --> 01:21:39,828 to women who are still in silence, 1912 01:21:39,828 --> 01:21:41,430 because of trauma 1913 01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:43,967 and who are suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder 1914 01:21:43,967 --> 01:21:46,869 or depression or contemplating suicide, 1915 01:21:46,869 --> 01:21:49,472 because of the trauma of rape or sexual assault, 1916 01:21:49,472 --> 01:21:53,109 I want them to have permission to speak up. 1917 01:21:53,109 --> 01:21:55,211 I want them to have permission to say-- 1918 01:21:55,211 --> 01:21:56,212 - It's really important. 1919 01:21:56,212 --> 01:21:58,948 - That it wasn't my fault, 1920 01:21:58,948 --> 01:22:01,484 and to out the perpetrator. 1921 01:22:01,484 --> 01:22:03,586 That's what I'm hoping. 1922 01:22:03,586 --> 01:22:05,054 (dramatic music) 1923 01:22:05,054 --> 01:22:07,123 - The real problem is that there are so few women 1924 01:22:07,123 --> 01:22:09,558 at the table in Hollywood. 1925 01:22:09,558 --> 01:22:12,095 There are so few women in positions of power 1926 01:22:12,095 --> 01:22:13,329 behind the scenes. 1927 01:22:13,329 --> 01:22:16,732 It's still very much a male dominated industry 1928 01:22:16,732 --> 01:22:18,701 where women don't have a voice, 1929 01:22:18,701 --> 01:22:20,869 and as long as women don't have a voice, 1930 01:22:20,869 --> 01:22:24,007 there are always going to be abuses of power. 1931 01:22:24,007 --> 01:22:27,143 What we've seen in recent times 1932 01:22:27,143 --> 01:22:29,445 is women have found a voice. 1933 01:22:29,445 --> 01:22:31,981 Things like Twitter and social media 1934 01:22:31,981 --> 01:22:36,019 give someone like Rose McGowen a massive platform 1935 01:22:36,019 --> 01:22:38,321 in which to express herself. 1936 01:22:38,321 --> 01:22:39,989 Prior to social media, 1937 01:22:39,989 --> 01:22:44,360 women didn't have a way to communicate 1938 01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,097 to millions what had happened to them, 1939 01:22:48,097 --> 01:22:53,036 outrage, fear, anxiety, complaints. 1940 01:22:53,036 --> 01:22:54,303 They didn't have a voice. 1941 01:22:54,303 --> 01:22:55,338 They didn't have a platform. 1942 01:22:55,338 --> 01:22:57,340 Now, everybody has a chance. 1943 01:22:57,340 --> 01:22:59,708 Everybody has a voice, everybody has a platform. 1944 01:22:59,708 --> 01:23:02,411 - It's an important moment and maybe a turning point. 1945 01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:05,281 I hope it's a tipping point. 1946 01:23:05,281 --> 01:23:06,549 The fact that all these women 1947 01:23:06,549 --> 01:23:08,684 have been brave enough to come out and speak 1948 01:23:08,684 --> 01:23:10,619 and when you're not in a powerful position 1949 01:23:10,619 --> 01:23:12,755 and the person that you're telling on, 1950 01:23:12,755 --> 01:23:14,857 as it were, is, 1951 01:23:14,857 --> 01:23:16,925 there can be a cost. 1952 01:23:16,925 --> 01:23:18,561 People can be very critical. 1953 01:23:18,561 --> 01:23:20,063 - It was just disgusting, 1954 01:23:20,063 --> 01:23:24,233 and the stories that have come out are heartbreaking, 1955 01:23:24,233 --> 01:23:25,801 and I really commend the women 1956 01:23:25,801 --> 01:23:28,671 who have been willing to step forward now 1957 01:23:28,671 --> 01:23:30,106 and tell their stories, 1958 01:23:30,106 --> 01:23:32,275 but I think it's important that we 1959 01:23:32,275 --> 01:23:35,344 not just focus on him and whatever consequences 1960 01:23:35,344 --> 01:23:38,981 flow from the stories about his behavior, 1961 01:23:38,981 --> 01:23:40,783 but that we recognize, 1962 01:23:40,783 --> 01:23:44,687 this kind of behavior cannot be tolerated anywhere. 1963 01:23:44,687 --> 01:23:46,822 (dramatic music) 1964 01:23:46,822 --> 01:23:49,024 - First of all, I think that cultural change 1965 01:23:49,024 --> 01:23:53,462 is always difficult but we continue to move forward, 1966 01:23:53,462 --> 01:23:55,564 not withstanding forces that would like 1967 01:23:55,564 --> 01:23:57,866 to move us backwards, 1968 01:23:57,866 --> 01:24:01,637 women have understood the truth about sexual harassment 1969 01:24:01,637 --> 01:24:05,308 and abuse for generations, 1970 01:24:05,308 --> 01:24:08,644 but the freedom to speak out and be believed 1971 01:24:08,644 --> 01:24:12,215 and be heard is so important 1972 01:24:12,215 --> 01:24:15,651 and I believe there's a shift 1973 01:24:15,651 --> 01:24:19,188 and I think that from below the line 1974 01:24:19,188 --> 01:24:22,057 to above the line, there's a recognition 1975 01:24:22,057 --> 01:24:25,994 that we wanna provide access and opportunity 1976 01:24:25,994 --> 01:24:30,333 not to be generous but because if you open the door, 1977 01:24:30,333 --> 01:24:35,338 the stories are robust and diverse 1978 01:24:36,505 --> 01:24:41,144 and different and that we all have a right 1979 01:24:41,877 --> 01:24:42,811 to do what we love. 1980 01:24:43,779 --> 01:24:46,515 (dramatic music) 1981 01:25:08,771 --> 01:25:10,306 - People believe in you 1982 01:25:12,741 --> 01:25:14,610 and it's not been fair 1983 01:25:14,610 --> 01:25:16,745 that you've used the power, 1984 01:25:16,745 --> 01:25:21,083 the gift that you have, you've turned it into such 1985 01:25:21,083 --> 01:25:24,387 a corruption to take advantage of other people. 1986 01:25:25,788 --> 01:25:27,756 - I had kind of created a safeguard 1987 01:25:27,756 --> 01:25:30,226 of how I could avoid those situations 1988 01:25:30,226 --> 01:25:35,231 and I never was in a hotel room with him alone again. 1989 01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:37,966 - You're meeting with a very powerful guy 1990 01:25:37,966 --> 01:25:41,737 in Hollywood that makes a lot of actress's careers happen, 1991 01:25:41,737 --> 01:25:44,207 so when he said to go to the Peninsula, 1992 01:25:44,207 --> 01:25:47,876 I just thought, "That's a bar, so fine." 1993 01:25:47,876 --> 01:25:50,313 So we met at the bar there, 1994 01:25:50,313 --> 01:25:52,147 and we talked for a few minutes 1995 01:25:52,147 --> 01:25:53,616 and then he didn't really ask me, 1996 01:25:53,616 --> 01:25:56,852 he just said, "We're going upstairs to my room." 1997 01:25:56,852 --> 01:25:59,154 And I didn't really know how to take that. 1998 01:25:59,154 --> 01:26:04,092 I didn't know how to say no to someone like him 1999 01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,662 at the time, which I regret. 2000 01:26:07,596 --> 01:26:08,864 - The next thing I knew, 2001 01:26:10,299 --> 01:26:14,337 he had unzipped his fly and pulled out his penis. 2002 01:26:16,539 --> 01:26:19,141 My heart started pounding. 2003 01:26:20,809 --> 01:26:22,545 My mind started racing. 2004 01:26:23,512 --> 01:26:25,581 How do I deal with this? 2005 01:26:25,581 --> 01:26:27,483 How do I get out of this? 2006 01:26:27,483 --> 01:26:29,452 Am I going to get out of this? 2007 01:26:30,353 --> 01:26:32,187 How is this happening? 2008 01:26:32,187 --> 01:26:35,090 He then grabbed my hand and pulled me towards him 2009 01:26:36,492 --> 01:26:39,628 and forced my hand onto his penis and held it there. 2010 01:26:41,597 --> 01:26:45,668 He said, "Name anyone, any actress you can think of 2011 01:26:45,668 --> 01:26:47,303 "and this is how they made it." 2012 01:26:48,671 --> 01:26:50,439 I have told parts of this story 2013 01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,277 to only a very few people over the years. 2014 01:26:57,746 --> 01:26:59,748 I felt so powerless 2015 01:27:00,949 --> 01:27:03,852 because he is, after all, very powerful 2016 01:27:05,688 --> 01:27:09,725 and very well known and very successful. 2017 01:27:12,661 --> 01:27:15,298 I didn't think anyone would believe me. 2018 01:27:16,365 --> 01:27:17,199 I was nobody. 2019 01:27:19,302 --> 01:27:20,135 Why would they? 2020 01:27:21,337 --> 01:27:22,838 (dramatic music) 2021 01:27:22,838 --> 01:27:25,308 - I would not have wanted anyone to do that to me, 2022 01:27:25,308 --> 01:27:28,377 even if the person had been a romantic partner. 2023 01:27:30,045 --> 01:27:34,317 - We need justice for these victims. 2024 01:27:35,584 --> 01:27:38,220 As soon as Mr. Weinstein completes his therapy 2025 01:27:38,220 --> 01:27:41,424 and returns to either New York or Los Angeles, 2026 01:27:41,424 --> 01:27:45,093 we urge him or his representatives 2027 01:27:45,093 --> 01:27:48,431 to contact me to discuss our plan for justice 2028 01:27:48,431 --> 01:27:49,465 for victims. 2029 01:27:50,699 --> 01:27:54,002 Vague apologies are not enough. 2030 01:27:55,203 --> 01:27:56,972 - [Narrator] UK police are now investigating 2031 01:27:56,972 --> 01:27:59,608 allegations made by 10 women against producer 2032 01:27:59,608 --> 01:28:01,176 Harvey Weinstein, 2033 01:28:01,176 --> 01:28:03,512 so as more and more people bravely come forward 2034 01:28:03,512 --> 01:28:04,880 with their own stories, 2035 01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,915 more and more powerful men in the industry 2036 01:28:06,915 --> 01:28:08,250 are beginning to fall 2037 01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:11,487 as their misconduct is being exposed. 2038 01:28:11,487 --> 01:28:15,891 Kevin Spacey, Louis CK, Ed Westwick, 2039 01:28:15,891 --> 01:28:20,228 Dustin Hoffman, James Toback, Woody Allen, 2040 01:28:20,228 --> 01:28:21,797 Roman Polanski, 2041 01:28:21,797 --> 01:28:24,500 no longer can the industry tolerate 2042 01:28:24,500 --> 01:28:26,301 this kind of behavior. 2043 01:28:26,301 --> 01:28:29,237 The truth is out and it is being heard. 2044 01:28:37,413 --> 01:28:40,248 (dramatic music)