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When I tell my story people
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they don't believe it.
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I don't think I will believe
story
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if someone else tells it
that, but, I tell it
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and that's true, every word.
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It starts when I was born,
56 years ago,
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but the real story
started when I was 19
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and I went to college.
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"Because You Have Went"
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It was 1980.
It was the first day of school
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at Sullivan County Community
College in Catskills,
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about 110 miles
from where I grew up.
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So, I drove there alone.
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I used to have this really
old car .
That is Volvo.
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And that is Volvo in 1970.
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Has 130,000 miles on it.
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And the car is wine red.
And the hood is green.
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Actually the car was called
the Old Whore.
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But the Old Whore takes me there.
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Sullivan is a community college.
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It's not long
a higher learning institution.
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All of these station cars
take the kids away.
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I'm nervous,
I just arrived at school,
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I don't know anyone.
I am a new student.
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I have never been captain
a football team in high school,
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so I have never been right- really like popular > say "Hi, how are you?"
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Jadi, saya berkeliling
mencoba mencari di mana asrama saya.
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Sementara semua orang ini
akan mendatangi saya
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mengatakan "Hai, apa kabar?"
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"How is your summer?"
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"My hands are great.
How are you?" "Super."
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Why did they ask me
how was the summer me?
I don't know.
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Everyone is
very friendly to me
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and they go
out of their way to do it.
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I don't mean just & apos; hi & apos;,
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I mean, pats on
and toddlers are high.
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And I'm a little hit
confused with this
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because no one gets
this kind of welcome
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on their first day at school.
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And the girls kiss me,
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And the girls kiss me,
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like fully kissing me said,
"I'm glad you returned."
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That's weird.
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And the next thing I heard
from right behind me.
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& apos; Welcome back.
Eddy! "
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" Eddy! How are you!
Eddy, hi! "
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I like," My name isn't Eddy.
I don't know
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& apos; what are you talking about.
I just woke up here. "
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" Sure, Eddy, you're really funny,
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& apos; you're really funny,
very funny. "
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I like," I'm not Eddy.
I don't know who Eddy is. "
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& apos; Welcome back, Eddy",
they all said.
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I finally managed
to dump this dorm room.
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Before a minute passed...
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"Who is it now? Who is now
coming to look for Eddy?"
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I have gone to college
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the previous year
with Eddy, and I know
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that he did not
return to school.
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As soon as this person
turned around, I...
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I, I'm really trembling.
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I... I know all the colors
of my face fall
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because I know it is double.
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He has the same smile, the same
hair, the same expression.
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That's double.
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And I see the face of a man this is
and he's like...
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just standing there.
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The first thing that comes out of my mouth
is & apos; Are you adopted? & apos;
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Er... and I'm like, "Yes."
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I said, "Is your birthday
July 12?" Say yes.
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I like, "July 12, 1961."
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"My God", kataku,
"Kamu tidak akan percaya ini."
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I said, "You have a twin brother
brother.
You have a twin brother."
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"My Lord."
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I said.
"Come with me."
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And we both crammed
into this telephone booth.
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Shoulder-to-shoulder
and you know, we have to like,
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close the telephone booth door.
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And I try to insert the coins
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and they keep falling to the floor
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and Bobby takes the coins.
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And he calls this person
and he's like,
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"Hey, Eddy, you don't
believe this,
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"you will not believe this.
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" Eddy, Eddy, you will not
believe this. "
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This person is more hysterical
than I'm kind of weird.
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"Eddy, you don't
believe this."
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So I'm like,
"Give me a phone."
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So I'm like, "Hi, Eddy?"
"Yes."
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But that's my voice
who said, "Yes."
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And I said, "Hi, Eddy,
my name is Robert Shafran
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" and, er.... I met
all of these people
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"who said I was you."
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And he said, "I am, yeah,
I have got several calls. "
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I said," Are you adopted? "
and he said," Yes. "
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And I said,
" When is your birthday? "
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"July 12."
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And I said, "Do you know what the agency's name is
? "
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And he said," No, wait. "
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And I heard him say," Mom? "
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And he came back and he said,
"Louise Wise Services."
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Sometimes when you
only dream,
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you know this can't be real ,
this can't be real.
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But you know there's nothing
you can do to stop it,
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start it, change it,
You just go with it
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and that's what I do.
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I just want to see
what will happen next.
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Now I'm like, let's go.
Let's go to LI.
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So we go to Old Bitch.
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It's around 9 pm
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and it's around two hours drive.
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And we speed on route 17.
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We will take 100 miles
per hour, maybe more.
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We speed.
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We are driving quickly
because this car will go.
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It was trembling.
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And we stopped
by a New York State policeman.
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And when I rolled into my window
there was this giant cop
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with like sunglasses
even though it's late.
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And a big hat.
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He said, "You know,
I recorded you in 88 in 50.
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"Son, you're better
a very good reason. "
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And I'm like,
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" Well, Officer, you never
will believe this. "
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We are both like
shouting at this person.
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" You, you don't know,
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& apos; this man, this man > have twin brothers,
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"He was adopted and we will go
to Long Island to go see..."
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Dan, dan, dan pria itu,
"Ya benar."
Kamu tahu.
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"Here, this is your ticket.
Have a nice day."
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And to Long Island we go.
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So, we get there.
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But it's like,
midnight.
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And this is really
a quiet environment.
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So, we get out of the car.
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>
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And walking on this small path
home.
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And the lights are on
inside the house.
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And I reach out
knock on the door
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and when I reach out
knock on the door, the door opens.
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And I'm there.
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His eyes are my eyes
and my eyes are his eyes
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and that's true.
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They look exactly the same.
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They duplicate each other.
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Nothing doubt in my mind
that they are twins.
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He goes, "Holy crap."
I go, "Holy crap."
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They just look at each other
and they move...
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Every time Bobby moves
his head, Eddy moves
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and then Eddy will move
then Bobby will move,
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like, like them > look in the mirror.
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That is the weirdest thing.
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It's like the world is fading,
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and that's just me and Eddy.
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So, I'm in the newsroom,
this is a busy day,
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we got a call from someone
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who said they had
an amazing story to tell us,
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we won't do it
believe this story,
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and my first reaction,
"That's a trick."
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Jadi, saya memberi tahu reporter kami,
"Aku mau menyewa pesawat."
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At that time we had
enough money to do this.
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"I want to rent a plane, I want
see these two children facing lace
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"Or I don't believe this."
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We flew journalists
to Sullivan Community College
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and he called me and he said,
"Howie, that right, that's right.
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And I remember saying, "Yes
God, this is an extraordinary story.
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" This impresses
a heart-warming story . "
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And then the story starts
being extraordinarily extraordinary, okay,
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from extraordinary to extraordinary.
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I was at Subway New York.
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Enough late at night.
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Read the article about two boys
who found each other.
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Those were twins separated when born
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and find each other
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in Sullivan County
Campus community.
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There are no pictures.
But the story is very interesting.
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I go home, and go to bed.
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My mother goes into the room
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and says, "Wake up, wake up,
I have to show you something."
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And he showed me a Newspaper
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with pictures of two boys
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and I have to like it, focus
and I see the photo
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and I say, " Is that David? "
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And he was like," No,
but look at the hand. " normal. "
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That's an image
in the newspaper two men,
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in" Post "and
I took the picture
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and I saw it ,
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and I like shock,
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dan aku seperti shock,
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cos the two people in "Post"
look exactly, exactly
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like, like my friend David.
I look at him.
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And that's not even fair
their faces look.
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That's the way they are
holding their hands.
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They have big fat hands.
And David always has this ,
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This hand
looks like a baseball glove.
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And when I see their hands,
I just found out that this is David.
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It's just a normal day.
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I arrived at school,
met my friend Alan.
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He said, "David,
look at this. £
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And he has a copy of
from "New York Post".
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Dan, er...
he opens it
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and said, "Look at this.
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" Look, look familiar? "
Something for that effect.
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And I said, "Yes, right. Sure."
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But then we saw it
a little closer.
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That was an article, he said,
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p>
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"Twins reunited
after more than 19 years."
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And it has two images
of what looks like me.
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Everything starts to sink.
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"Damn, my Lord.
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" Are you? This is not...
This can't be trusted,
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"This, this can't be trusted.
Wow!
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" This is great, this is serious,
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"This isn't that kind of thing
Incidentally crazy.
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" This is not a small resemblance.
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& apos; This is real, this is happening,
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"this is really,
really serious."
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I threw out the class and went home.
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My mother was waiting
at the kitchen table
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And I said, "Mom, do you see this?"
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He said, "You saw this?"
And
we exchanged newspapers.
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That, "... was born Long Island
Jewish Hospital."
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"July 12, 1961."
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And that Louise Wise
agent adoption.
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I mean, I always know growing up
that I was adopted,
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My parents are always there
open about that.
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But said Eddy Galland
Hyde Park New, Long Island,
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Robert Shafran
from Scarsdale, New York.
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I remember saying,
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"Leading Scarsdale son
Mort Shaiman doctor"
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and, er... my first thoughts,
I said,
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"He has a rich family .
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"The SOB might drive
a Benz!
He got a doctorate! "
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And I remember being
with David in the kitchen.
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We were like, very nervous.
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I mean, we know,
jumping up and down, that...
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You know, we are 19 years old.
I mean this is real.
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And David picked up the phone
and he called Information,
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and he reached Eddy's mother.
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And I said, "Hi, is Eddy at home?"
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He said, "No,
who who calls, please? "
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And I think, & apos; OK,
244
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ΓÇ £ now I have to enter
all this on the phone. "
245
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I said," Yes, my name is
is David Kellman,
246
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"and I was born July 12, 1961
247
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" And I'm looking newspaper
248
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"and, er... basically I think
I see two of me.
249
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"I think I might be the third."
250
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And I thought he fell
phone, actually.
251
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And I remember hearing
his voice over the phone ,
252
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"Dear God, they are out
of wood!"
253
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That is a miracle.
254
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The first time
that children meet together,
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the three together are in my house.
256
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And the three of them end
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like wrestling children
on the floor.
258
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That is the most extraordinary...
259
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that is the most extraordinary thing.
260
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They belong to each other.
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They know each other.
There
there is no official introduction.
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I mean, when you meet someone
for the first time
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you don't end up rolling around
on the floor with them.
264
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It really isn't fully trustworthy.
265
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Even though it's happening
it's still real.
266
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You think you are dreaming.
267
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You are looking for and
you are still "My God."
268
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You see something else,
"My Lord."
269
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And then you realize
that they are looking at you
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or someone else
are looking at you too.
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To have all three of them
at home at one time...
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That... that
really madness .
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My emotions are shocked,
shock and more surprises.
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I mean, I can't explain it,
275
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I don't have terminology yet. p>
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One of our reporters came
ran towards me and said
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& apos; you will not believe this,
278
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"you will not believe
the call we just got.
279
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"You know these two children
on the front page today?
280
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"Well, there is a third."
281
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They even move the same way.
282
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We all just sit back
283
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and watch three separate <
284
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As I said
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I am more like Eddy
than I am David,
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and more like David
/> than I did Eddy,
287
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and more like both
than they like each other.
288
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Does that make sense?
289
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And then we start
comparing notes.
290
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What do 19-year-old teenagers do?
291
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Liquor, cigarettes, food,
women, music, cars.
292
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I just brought a brand new
Mercury Capri, which I love.
293
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And Bobby has this,
Maroon beats an old Volvo
294
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with upholstery cracked skin
and I think,
295
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"A prominent child
Doctor Scarsdale?"
296
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I think it's Eddy who said
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right at the beginning,
298
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"I don't know whether this will change
to be big or terrible. "
299
00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,551
So, there are always
questions, big question marks,
300
00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,070
about where the story is
finally left.
301
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We didn't realize since then
302
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how much
everything will change.
303
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& apos; Now one of the most extraordinary
stories I've seen in some time:
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& apos; a story about triplets.
305
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& apos; Eddy, Robert, and David
reunited after 19 years old. & apos;
306
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& apos; We have stories about triplets
which give new meaning
307
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& apos; to phrases
long-lost brothers. & apos;
308
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We continue everything.
Everything.
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& apos; You don't see double
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& apos; you may soon be
going to see a triple. & apos;
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& apos; I don't know who is here.
312
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& apos; Come out, gentlemen,
come out. & apos;
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You just have to stop
what you do
314
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and watch them
at each different event.
315
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,440
This becomes circus,
it becomes a media circus.
316
00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,359
Talking about viruses, I mean
is... it's even viral.
317
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& apos; You've been < br /> the front page of each newspaper
318
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- & apos; in the world. & apos;
- Right. & apos;
319
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,752
"People Magazine", & apos; Time Magazine & apos;,
320
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even "New York Times",
"Good Housekeeping".
321
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,514
& apos; David, let's start with you.
322
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& apos; Which & apos ;: David,
I always forget? & apos;
323
00:18:30,835 --> 00:18:32,119
- & apos; you're Edward? & apos; < br /> - & apos; Right!
324
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& apos; OK, who are you,
are you David? & apos;
325
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,714
- & apos; I'm Bobby. & apos;
- & apos; You... I'm sorry.
326
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"You're Robert, alright.
Robert and Edward. "
327
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& apos; Come on. & apos;
328
00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,669
ll is a fairy tale.
329
00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,156
And people need to hear
beautiful things.
330
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& apos; These three young men,
331
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& apos; They all sit
in the same position. & apos;
332
00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,713
It's kind of amazing.
They're really strangers.
333
00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:01,955
They look identical to each other
334
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,798
but they are strangers, no?
335
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,285
You know, they really
don't know each other.
336
00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:08,318
But their behavior
is very similar.
337
00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:11,000
& apos; Our lives are parallel to phenomenal levels.
338
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,951
"That, that's ridiculous."
339
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,479
& apos; We are all the same,
340
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,865
as soon as we start
discussing our personality. & apos;
341
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,658
& apos; Personality is the same,
our movements are the same. & apos;
342
00:19:17,673 --> 00:19:18,800
& apos; We always talk
at the same time. & apos;
343
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,638
& apos; I will start a sentence
and he will finish it. <
344
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,040
& apos; We all like
Chinese Load. & apos;
345
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:22,876
& apos; You are all
wrestlers at once? & apos;
346
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,240
& apos; Yes. & apos;
347
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,688
& apos; All of you smoke with the same brand
cigarettes? & apos;
348
00:19:25,703 --> 00:19:26,954
& apos; Yes. & apos;
349
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,638
& apos; What type of
cigarettes do you smoke? & apos;
350
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:29,670
& apos; Marlboro!
351
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,040
& apos; Do you all smoke
the same brand? & apos;
352
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,514
& apos; Yes. & apos;
353
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,200
- & apos; Do you like the same color? & apos;
- Wes. & apos;
354
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,117
& apos; Yes, I'm curious,
how they feel for women,
355
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,720
- & apos; is that similar? & apos;
- & apos; Yes Here.
Surely. & apos;
356
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,670
Looks like they all like
older women.
357
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,836
"Someone said
you all like older women."
358
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,359
& apos; Good... & apos;
359
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,151
& apos; Another surprising coincidence
360
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,352
& apos; Are each brother
growing up with an adopted sister,
361
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,233
& apos; All girls
are now 21 years old. & apos;
362
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,832
& apos; I can't forget it,
I say to you. & apos;
363
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,632
& apos; Extraordinary rope
incidentally
364
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,715
& apos; all of you must agree,
right? & apos;
365
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:07,989
& apos; Beautiful. & apos;
366
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,314
& apos; > & apos; but you only know each other
for a short time. "
367
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,101
& apos; No problem, I already know
they are my whole life. & apos;
368
00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:12,639
& apos; How long does it take for you
to have that feeling? & apos;
369
00:20:12,654 --> 00:20:14,472
& apos; Like that. & apos;
370
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:15,840
They are more like clones
371
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,474
than they are like brothers.
372
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,070
daripada mereka seperti saudara.
373
00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:27,909
It was truly
astonishing because they grew up
374
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,349
it seems that it will happen
quite different households.
375
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,469
We have been adopted
by blue-collar families,
376
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,036
a middle-class family
and a more affluent family.
377
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,269
Bobby's parents, Bobby's father
is a medical doctor.
378
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,433
And his mother is a lawyer.
379
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,312
So they are very well educated
and they live
380
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,554
in one of the most prestigious
regions of the country .
381
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,190
Eddy's father is a teacher,
he has a college education.
382
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,392
And they live
in what will be considered
383
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,511
middle class environment.
384
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:25,240
My family on paper
are the least educated,
385
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:30,195
they are immigrants, English
is their second language,
386
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,436
they have a small shop,
387
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,429
they are more
blue-collar families.
388
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,551
But my father is just
389
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,356
a warm man who is extraordinarily generous this.
390
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,234
David's father, Richard,
is bigger than life.
391
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,956
If you can imagine this person
is a big man,
392
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,670
with a big cigar always
hanging out of his mouth.
393
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,319
We call it & apos; bubala & apos;
394
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:04,237
He is Bubala.
395
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,033
If you know the language Yiddish,
& apos; Bubala & apos; it's like love,
396
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,232
it's hugging and it's kissing.
397
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,396
We spend more time at David's house
398
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,750
from other places.
399
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,556
Bubala celebrates us
unlike others.
400
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,432
He said, "I have two more sons."
401
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,639
When children find each other
402
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,479
that kind of happened
403
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,954
right away.
404
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,798
This is this amazing story
405
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,592
and that's it.
406
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,473
Nobody questions what is happening
407
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,238
except parents of course.
408
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,832
When the family meets
the first time
409
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,838
there is great anger
in all of them
410
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,316
about the fact that parents
were never told
411
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,351
that there were two other children.
412
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,594
They did not tell us
a word when we adopted.
413
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,790
We don't know anything about the other two
414
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,311
until, er... the kids meet
at, at school,
415
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:12,556
20 years later.
416
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,200
The first thing
that hit me was what was missing.
417
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,676
I believe they were six months
long when they were separated.
418
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,395
If You imagine the three
small bodies lying together
419
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:31,709
and suddenly cold
alone in the baby's crib.
420
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,232
This is a terrible seizure.
421
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,357
I remember being told by my mother
422
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,399
when I was a baby, I would do it
slam my head against the wall,
423
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,397
I would basically knock myself.
424
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,954
My mother said
that I would bang my head
425
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,434
in the box...
426
00:23:55,360 --> 00:24:00,230
and I will hold my breath
until I pass out.
427
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,354
I believe it really
separation anxiety
428
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,836
We have all been adopted
from Louise Wise Services.
429
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,871
& apos; Louise Wise Services,
430
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,312
& apos; New York Institute < br /> was re-established in 1915
431
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,192
& apos; supervised by the board of directors
432
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,958
& apos; taken from New York City
433
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,913
& apos; social, financial
and political elite. & apos;
434
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,477
They are the foremost
adoption agent
435
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,753
on the East Coast
for Jewish babies in particular.
436
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,314
That's the right place.
437
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,670
What we feel
438
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,631
at Louise Wise Services
439
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,159
where I have been active
440
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,192
for a long time,
441
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,232
is that adoptive parent
must be notified
442
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,831
as much as about
a child's background is natural.
443
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,839
Our parents, they, they
want an answer, they are angry.
444
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,839
And they arrange a meeting
and they... six of them
445
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,875
entered Louise Wise Agency
to try to get an answer
446
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,912
in connection with
what happened.
447
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:27,715
There was a meeting with
officials in the agency.
448
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,512
And they were asked,
449
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,678
"Are you really separated?
these kids when born? "
450
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,430
And they said, & apos; Yes, we succeeded. & apos;
451
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,672
Why?
452
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,790
How can you not tell us?
453
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,559
What are you doing?
454
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,910
Why and how can you do it?
455
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,554
They said the reason
456
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,312
because it's difficult to place
three children in one house.
457
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,397
Parents have been told that
458
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,512
is for our best interests
that we have separated.
459
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,077
That's not every parent
will welcome triplets,
460
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:20,990
and the triplets
are difficult to place.
461
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,718
Which... I thought at that time
my father blew the pile.
462
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,832
And just said,
"We have already taken all three.
463
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,829
"There is no question."
And he is very angry.
464
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,394
Well, the meeting ended.
465
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,398
They all left.
466
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,512
They feel like
they don't get anything.
467
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,916
And my father realized that he had left his umbrella there
.
468
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,837
And he returned
to get an umbrella.
469
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,958
And he entered the room
470
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,914
p>
471
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,116
to see them open
a bottle of champagne...
472
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:22,260
and roast each other
as if they are avoiding bullets.
473
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,514
They look like they are
/> just miss being hurt
474
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,236
or killed or what you have.
475
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,998
That, er...
it's easy to remember.
476
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,117
Everyone Our old man came
away from the meeting angry.
477
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,438
Parents went to some beautiful ones
a prestigious New York law firm
478
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,195
and initially they met
00:27:55,119
and, er... is always inside
a difficult time period
480
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,754
is notified, er...
there is a conflict
481
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,430
They said, "We have
a number of colleagues
482
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,871
& apos; Who tried to adopt
through Louise Wise,
483
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,959
" And we don't want to damage
/> their opportunities. "
484
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,395
So, the lawsuit has already come out.
485
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,110
We are too happy
together being angry.
486
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,358
We don't understand it and
titles that we hardly care about.
487
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,717
Our heads are in the cloud,
488
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,592
we know our parents are angry
489
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,951
but it's almost like, "Well,
490
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,037
When we go out partying.
491
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,035
This is New York in the 1980s.
492
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,673
Drugs are different,
/> different people,
493
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,757
sex is different,
music is different.
494
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,158
We are just, we just had a skillet
advantage of all that stuff.
495
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,079
Sex, medicine, rock & nos; roll.
496
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,116
They went berserk
in New York, I would say.
497
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,229
Studio 54 is cooking.
Center of attention.
Copacabana.
498
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,238
They hit them all.
499
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,874
New York loves us.
New York loves us.
500
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,633
All newspapers
follow children around
501
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,750
it doesn't matter where we go.
502
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,440
I remember walking in one morning
503
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,395
and my mom threw
"New York Post" to me,
504
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,239
at the kitchen table said,
"I have to look at the paper
505
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,794
" to find out where you are
Last night? "
506
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,437
The young man thought
/> they will become stars,
507
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,395
and actually they do stars
in one movie.
508
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,717
Walking down the road,
suddenly we hear,
509
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,798
"Guys, all of you, you guys!
510
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,353
"Can you enter our film?
511
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,470
" Please be in my movie. "
512
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,479
We don't know who he is,
and he, he is Madonna.
513
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,399
They stand beside
and glance at it.
514
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,431
Soon we get
a shared apartment,
515
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,757
apartment triplets.
516
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,313
Triplet apartments.
517
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,719
It's like if you have
the most single apartment
518
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,034
three times.
519
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,878
Liquor store
used to send liquor,
520
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,878
At one point Eddy had appendicitis.
521
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,752
He had no insurance.
522
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,350
And he checked
to the hospital as Bobby.
523
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,960
And the appendix was taken as Bobby.
524
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,958
I hope to this day Bobby
appendicitis remains healthy.
525
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,710
Between working together, < br /> playing together,
526
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,070
going out together,
going on a date together,
527
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,599
living together,
528
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,079
from the moment we meet until...
till later
529
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,829
nothing, nothing
can make us separate.
530
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,111
I feel like I am
first serious girlfriend.
531
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,872
At first I couldn't really
differentiate them
532
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,274
and I would meet them
533
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,118
and I wasn't very sure
534
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,437
which I was before
/> going out with, so...
535
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,600
Bob has this very raw, natural,
type of intelligence
536
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,870
which I think I'm also interested in.
537
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:27,836
I always thought David
was the best, right,
538
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,279
of the three of them.
539
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,436
I, I said before, you know,
540
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,949
"I can choose garbage."
541
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,437
Without a doubt, Eddy
is, er... handsome
542
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,632
of the three
triplets, you know.
543
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,432
Of course, I'm partial
544
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,120
but, you know, I adore it.
545
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,315
When I met him,
he was the last person.
546
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,673
The Casanova of the three
and, er... I said,
547
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,838
"Boy, this guy <
548
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,471
But he is so warm in his smile
549
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,150
and he is so amazing
beautiful hands, soft hands
550
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,880
and when I shake his hand
I mean, I just, I...
551
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,558
You know, I just
fell in love with him.
552
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,432
I am from large colorful
Irish Catholic Family
553
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,710
and he is a Jewish man.
554
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,479
When he came home
for the first time,
555
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,673
he saw my father and he said,
556
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,912
"I don't know if you know this,
Mr. Stanley,
557
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,236
" I've seen Brenda
pretty much every night
558
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,918
"From day one I met him. "
559
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,678
And I thought," My God,
560
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,155
"My father knows that, you know,
we are together every night. "
561
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,909
And my father is only a son, you
know, looking at me like," OK "
562
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,075
and that's Eddy.
563
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,872
- & apos; I want. & apos;
- & apos; I'm willing. & apos;
564
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,635
& apos; We love you. & apos;
565
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,234
Everyone loves her.
566
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,878
If there is a scale ,
Bobby will be protected by law,
567
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,354
David will be in the middle of
568
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,711
and Eddy fair
which is fun, soft,
569
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,876
huggable, funny,
570
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,151
You know, he just emitted
warmth and love.
571
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,350
'Jamie dulu
Thanksgiving bersama Ayah. '
572
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,358
- & apos; Hi, see who is here. & apos;
- & apos; Yes father. & apos;
573
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,913
& apos; ; and for special ones
guest appearances. <
574
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,197
"Happy birthday, dear Jamie"
575
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,792
"Happy birthday"
576
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,958
She likes family gatherings.
577
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,957
You know , Eddy really, really loved
578
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,509
was around David and Bobby.
579
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,871
Eddy seemed to get the most results
of the three met.
580
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,471
For whatever reason.
581
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,079
He wants his brothers
and he has a beautiful life
582
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,754
and everyone gets along
583
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,998
and he wants everyone < br /> being a big family.
584
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,352
Eddy really
the driving force
585
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,833
in terms of leading the search
for our biological mother.
586
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,874
He's a fever
and he just wants to do it.
587
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,230
Dia demam
dan dia hanya ingin melakukannya.
588
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,998
And Alan also demonstrates,
589
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,316
because it's fair
interesting things to do.
590
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,476
We think what the chances are
591
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:57,960
have triplets born in New York
592
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,236
on July 12, 1961.
593
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,353
We know
New York Public Library
594
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Joint birth records.
595
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,270
We each grabbed a book
596
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,472
and went page by page, by page, by page.
597
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,273
And within a few hours,
, "Bingo!"
598
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,871
Men, men, men.
Three in a row.
599
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,877
All born July 12, 1961.
600
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,837
Right next to it,
name behind the biological mother.
601
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,430
The first meeting was at the bar
in like, 47th Street.
602
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,791
It was like, the local
neighborhood watering hole
603
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,720
on the east side,
and that's weird.
604
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,718
He tells his story
about what happened.
605
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,479
Unfortunately not so
romantic story.
606
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,557
He is a young girl.
607
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,833
Basically, prom nights
knock down the type of item.
608
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,117
I don't think
he ever forgets that fact
609
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,994
that he has triplets
and must submit it.
610
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,436
You know, to us at 19,
611
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,118
you drink like a fish,
you think you are invincible.
612
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,953
But we find it a little apprehensive
613
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,392
that he is pretty much
following us, you know.
614
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,717
Eh... apples don't fall
away from trees
615
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,754
and that's the tree,
I'm not happy,
616
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,557
and we already have parents,
so we meet him and that's fine.
617
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,597
Tapi dia tidak begitu
tutup bagian dari hidup kita.
618
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,876
We are all young and start
our marriage and career.
619
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,593
"Hi, welcome to Triplets."
620
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,439
& apos; David Kellman,
Eddy Galland and Robert Shafran
621
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,357
& apos; are identical triplets.
622
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,073
& apos; Now they run New York
restaurants are called,
623
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,270
& what else , you guessed,
Triple, & apos;
624
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,397
& apos; WELCOME.
Hello.
Welcome, welcome. & apos;
625
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,590
We have lots of people
coming for us.
626
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,029
They came to see the triplets.
627
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,196
They want to wait
by one of the triplets.
628
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,356
We present vodka, frozen
blocks of ice,
629
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,835
and we will get all roaming
and dance.
630
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,678
Like this
big party happened,
631
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:34,949
was like this big Mitzvah Bar.
632
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,476
& apos; Triplet became very successful
633
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,715
& apos; Has a restaurant
634
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,398
& apos; in the Soho district
of New York City. & apos;
635
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,836
We have finished
one million dollars in the first year.
636
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,838
That's when things are a bit funky.
637
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,194
In the mid 90's
I started working on a story
638
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,311
for the magazine "The New Yorker"
639
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,318
about identical twins raised separately.
640
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,794
I always thought,
641
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,035
I always thought,
642
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,835
p>
643
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,713
"What does it feel like
if you turn around
644
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,152
" One day's angle
and you see yourself? "
645
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,075
In my research process,
646
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,556
I found this unclear
scientific articles.
647
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:07,109
This is a reference to this secret study
648
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,472
where identical siblings
have been separated.
649
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,115
for the purpose of
this scientific experiment.
650
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,554
And these babies all come
651
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,195
from an adoption agency
in New York City.
652
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,918
& apos; First thing that comes out of my mouth
653
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,439
& apos; is, "Are you adopted?"
654
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,959
That's me,
this can't be real. & apos;
655
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,718
& apos; Separate twins
at birth & apos;
656
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,549
& apos; Eddy and Robert and
David reunited after 19 years. & apos;
657
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,995
& apos; Beautiful. & apos;
658
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,236
& apos; Blue collar family,
middle class families
659
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,839
& apos; And more prosperous families. & apos;
660
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,078
& apos; adoptive parents must be told
as much as that makes sense. & apos;
661
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,838
& apos;
something is incorrect. & apos;
662
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,759
& apos; They broke up
open a bottle of champagne
663
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,235
& apos; as if they had
avoided bullets. & apos;
664
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,355
& apos; We were all adopted
from Louise Wise. & apos;
665
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,232
& apos; Louise Wise. & apos;
666
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,069
& apos; And these babies all come
from Louise Wise Services. & apos;
667
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,914
Lawrence Wright called me
668
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,272
and he told me
all about experiments.
669
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,630
And I said, "This is
like Nazis. "
670
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,994
It feels like reality
hit like a tidal wave.
671
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,756
We are a science experiment.
672
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:46,700
These people separate us
and study us like experimental mice.
673
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,875
We don't recognize this
until it's placed on our faces.
674
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,319
Until it's in newsprint.
675
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,115
But there are hints in the past,
676
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,839
I remember from a very young age...
677
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,152
people will come home...
678
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,440
"Usually a young man
and a young woman.
679
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,436
And they told me to take a test.
680
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,439
They did IQ tests,
personality inventory tests,
681
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,393
they do eye-hand
coordination tests.
682
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:36,072
I remember people coming
to the house, after the test is finished,
683
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:43,020
square pegs and holes round,
and the Rorschach ink block test.
684
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,074
"What does this mean to you?"
such a thing.
685
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,910
Eddy told me
that when he is younger,
686
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:57,273
he remembers people
watching him and taking notes,
687
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,072
and they will ask him questions
688
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,436
and he will be frustrated
with questions.
689
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,355
And he remembers
they recorded it.
690
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,755
I remember shooting
more than anything.
691
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,433
I remember once < br>> 8 mm super film taken from me
692
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,313
when I was on the swing,
or on the slide.
693
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,954
Every time they came
they were filmed.
694
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,991
Go up my bicycle, throw the ball,
695
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,838
and they want to see
how many times can I,
696
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,315
you know, go to my pogo stick,
rollerblading,
697
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,630
throw the frisbee, < br>> how to shoot and arrows,
698
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,079
You know, they caught my attention.
699
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,349
I appeared.
700
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,596
The things they did
more complex when I'm getting older.
701
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,758
It's weird about that,
I really don't understand
702
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,757
why they need it so often,
703
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,314
why they ask me
all these questions.
704
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,237
Somewhere around the age of nine or ten
705
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,237
I started to be
less comfortable with that,
706
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,874
and it's like, "Mom,
do I still have to do this?
707
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,273
" Do I still have to do this? "
708
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,751
When our parents adopt us
709
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,918
they were each told
that we were being followed
710
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,394
as part of a normal study
711
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,518
the development of
adopted children,
712
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:18,000
They don't know
that we have been separated.
713
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,637
The agency says
children born in this time period
714
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,958
will all be normal
study of adopted children.
715
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:33,940
And, as far as we know,
that's all.
716
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,240
That this is new
they will follow up
717
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,673
with all the kids
and when we receive it.
718
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,231
You're talking
about a group of people
719
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,353
who left and holding a baby
720
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,951
and doing a psychological test
in a six-month-old baby,
721
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,551
and then going to another house
to see his brother,
722
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,956
and then go to another house
to meet his brother,
723
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,359
and do this for years
and years and years
724
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,198
with knowledge full
725
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,231
that we are in a
100 mile radius.
726
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,717
And don't know each other.
727
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,435
It's only lip service.
728
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,429
Who would think of anyone
going bad enough
729
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,269
to come
with something like this?
730
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,637
In my research process,
731
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,560
I learned that the person
really responsible for this research
732
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,673
is Dr. Peter Neubauer,
733
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,033
a very different psychiatrist
in New York ,
734
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,754
Freud's archive director.
735
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,759
He was an Austrian refugee
from the Holocaust
736
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,719
and he set up shop in New York
and became , You know,
737
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,000
one of the great men of
psychiatry in America.
738
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,271
What I learned was that person
in Louise Wise's
739
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,631
agency separated identical siblings
740
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,877
p>
741
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,389
and then the team of scientists
led by Neubauer
742
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,990
will follow them.
743
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,673
But it's not just the triplets.
744
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,676
There others.
745
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,917
After my article came out
746
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,519
another set of twins
found themselves.
747
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,931
& apos; And here they are now.
748
00:45:34,946 --> 00:45:37,062
p>
749
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,991
"I appreciate you coming
on today's program. & apos;
750
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,680
- & apos; Our pleasure. & apos;
- & apos; Paula and Elyse. & apos;
751
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,997
& apos; The story is amazing.
What is the way to tell it? & apos;
752
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,792
& apos; It's a little darker
from Disney movies.
753
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,831
& apos; I'm at home
in my apartment in Brooklyn
754
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,518
& apos; With girls I am two years old,
755
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,712
& apos and the phone rings
and I answer the phone
756
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,239
& apos; And it is an adoption agent.
757
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,277
£Ç £ We have news for you,
You have twin brothers.
758
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,674
"And he is looking for you!"
759
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,314
& apos; both of you are editors
of your high school papers,
760
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,919
& apos; you both go to film school. & apos;
761
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,738
& apos >
762
00:46:10,753 --> 00:46:13,797
& apos; Our behavior is inherited. ? £Ç £
763
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,751
& apos; That's millions of dollars
questions about this story. & Apos;
764
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,030
'dan saya bertanya kepada mereka, "Yah,
mengapa kita dipisahkan? ΓÇ £
765
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,747
'Itu jutaan dolar
pertanyaan tentang cerita ini. '
766
00:46:19,762 --> 00:46:20,959
& apos; And they say,
"To learn twins."
767
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,957
& apos; We feel our lives
has been set
768
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,276
& apos; by researchers this scientific
769
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,789
& apos; who put their scientific needs,
770
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,992
& apos; research needs or desires,
their career interests
771
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,236
& apos; before our needs ,
and our interests
772
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,238
& apos; and other twins and triplets
separated. & apos;
773
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,035
No one is sure
how many identical twins
774
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,832
were involved in this research.
775
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,431
I was told six to eight,
but we don't really know.
776
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,919
When you have a study like this,
777
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,156
you usually produce the results
778
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,158
and you show how much
the sample is
779
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,111
and all these things.
780
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,676
But this research was never published,
781
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:07,156
Which makes everything
more interesting.
782
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,716
We have a lawyer
783
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,071
trying to get us
some study notes.
784
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,431
We receive a small amount of
information.
785
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,797
It's very dry, technical data,
786
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,433
doesn't really explain
787
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,040
on the reasons for the research.
It's rubbish.
788
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,472
I don't know what the result is,
789
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,672
or if there are results
because I've never seen them.
790
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,710
They are trying
to hide what they do
791
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,195
from the people they do.
792
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:39,992
Why?
793
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,600
I mean, what is the purpose of that?
794
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,598
The research has never been
published.
Why?
795
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,877
My name is Natasha Josefowitz...
796
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,673
dan aku adalah Peter Neubauer
Asisten peneliti.
797
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,479
So, come in.
Do you want a cup of coffee?
798
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,318
Here are some of my friends.
799
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,830
Michelle Obama and me.
She's very tall.
800
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,678
801
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,711
I'm like a small shrimp
next to it,
802
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,433
I came to him here.
803
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,830
This is Obama three years ago,
804
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,190
and here he holds
my latest hook.
805
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:48,551
I have to tell you.
I said, "Barack, I love you."
806
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,071
He said, "Me too love you ", and
she gave me a kiss on this cheek.
807
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,829
Yes.
This is Robert Redford
and Al Gore.
808
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,473
And this is Errol Flynn and I
when I was 18 years old.
809
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,271
I thought he was booting.
810
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,357
Picasso.
811
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,989
When will we talk
about twin studies?
812
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,510
I am a peripheral person.
I only do rumors.
813
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,076
The first time I heard
about twin studies,
814
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,398
it was only a dream < br /> in Peter's head.
815
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,034
What's he like & apos!!
816
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,756
Sexy, handsome, attractive.
817
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,349
The background is very Freudian.
818
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,357
Anna Freud, Freud's daughter,
819
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,040
will often be some
and visit her.
820
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,309
She is very focused on the desire
makes a difference
821
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,397
in the lives of children.
822
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,355
Peter began to think,
isn't that interesting
823
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,710
to have a study of mothers
824
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,717
who want to give up
their child.
825
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,797
Which happens to be identical twins
826
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:09,475
and then can
be separated at birth?
827
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,718
If we can put it in two
a completely different environment,
828
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,673
we will put it to a dilemma,
829
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,678
nature or nurture, forever.
830
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,915
Now you might think,
"This is terrible, you know,
831
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,678
" how can you do this? "
832
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:29,998
You have to put yourself back
in the late 50s and 60s.
833
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,396
This is not something
that seems bad.
834
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,910
Nothing who said, "To take children
apart, how terrible. "
835
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,079
It's not at all
in anyone's mind.
836
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,512
This is a very pleasant time.
837
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,995
Psychology has just begun
is a big problem
838
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,236
that everyone is talking about.
839
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,551
These are all terms
research.
An opportunity.
840
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,551
One of the great questions
what science has asked
841
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,069
is "How do we become
our people,
842
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,112
"how much nature
versus how much parenting
843
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,720
" Forms us into people
that we become? £Ç £
844
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,279
I did not go and do research.
845
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,914
But I will hear it
because I am in the office.
846
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,470
What they found,
extraordinary.
847
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,154
& apos; Our lives are parallel
to a phenomenal level.
848
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,476
"That, that's ridiculous."
849
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,999
& apos; We all the same,
850
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,345
as soon as we start
discussing our personality. & apos;
851
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,317
& apos; Personality is the same,
our movements are the same. & apos;
852
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,430
& apos; We always talk
at the same time. & apos;
853
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,437
& apos; you grew up
in a different house? & apos;
854
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,153
Correct. than we think.
855
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:47,320
Saya tidak percaya itu akan terjadi
sebanyak keturunan seperti itu,
856
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,317
itu lebih dari itu
daripada yang kita pikirkan.
857
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,078
& apos; I will start a sentence
and he will finish it. & apos;
858
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,269
"We all like Chinese food."
859
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,549
& apos; You are all wrestlers
at one time? & apos;
860
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,034
& apos; Yes & apos;
861
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,229
- & apos; all of you smoke? & apos;
- Yes. & apos;
862
00:51:56,244 --> 00:51:57,554
& apos; Do you all smoke
the same brand ? & apos;
863
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,034
& apos; Yes. & apos;
864
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,469
- & apos; Do you like the same color? & apos;
- Yes. & apos;
865
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,272
& apos; What are their tastes for women,
is that similar? & apos;
866
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,436
& apos; Yes.
Certainly. & apos;
867
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,071
We moved to the behavior
868
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,952
that we were entirely
unconscious.
869
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,950
& apos; both of you are editors
of your high school papers,
870
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,832
& apos; you both go to film school.
871
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,234
& apos; don't know if you pay attention... & apos;
872
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,396
& apos; Our behavior is inherited. & apos;
873
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,397
It is annoying,
we don't like that.
874
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,477
People don't like to hear,
they say, "I have free will."
875
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,350
We prefer what we have
some influence on our lives.
876
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,232
Don't you prefer to know that?
877
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,476
That's what you have
some control over this
878
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,558
and find out, it's OK,
no matter what you do.
879
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,275
So I think
it disappoints people
880
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,550
to see how small the effect is
they have,
881
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:55,670
how little control they have.
882
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:58,792
We don't like that, we fight that.
883
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,030
If the research conclusion
was very shocking
884
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,720
and so shook the earth ,
885
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,070
why haven't you published
your lesson?
886
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,750
There are many things we don't know.
887
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,555
We have a very provocative
anecdote ,
888
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,950
but we don't know,
we don't have the data.
889
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:35,120
I don't know
what happened to the research.
890
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,994
I moved to Switzerland in the year 1965
891
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,795
and lost contact
with what was happening.
892
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,071
All research must be seen.
893
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,959
This study is the first,
and that is the last one,
894
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,311
it will never be done again,
il will never be replicated.
895
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,510
It is monumental,
this is a monumental research.
896
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,350
In terms of the motivation they use
897
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,118
to justify what they do,
898
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,515
I don't even care because, I...
899
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,198
It's not justified what they are doing.
900
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,037
Do you know what?
901
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,799
Come from the Holocaust,
902
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:23,472
Our family has knowledge
903
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,275
when you play with humans...
904
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,876
You did something very wrong.
905
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:41,039
And I really believe that
because of this research,
906
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,551
these three boys
didn't have a happy ending.
907
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,678
& apos; What are the similarities
908
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:56,757
& apos; you find what you have
because you all grow up
909
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,509
& apos; -in your own
household? & apos;
910
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,676
"We all smoke at the same time
cigarettes when we meet,
911
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,870
& apos; We all wrestle
in middle and middle school,
912
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,036
& apos; We all like the same food, er...
913
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,400
& apos; Our tastes for women
are similar. & apos;
914
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,078
& apos /> surprising discovery? & apos;
915
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,231
& apos; Well, sometimes when you think
916
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,269
& apos; you're experiencing
unique thoughts or ideas
917
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,515
'Yah, kadang ketika kamu berpikir
918
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,119
'Anda sedang mengalami
pemikiran atau ide unik
919
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,276
& apos; and you go to share it
with someone
920
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,152
& apos; and they say, "your brother
just told me."
921
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:24,534
- & apos; It's a little annoying. & Apos;
- & apos; That's funny. & Apos;
922
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:25,948
& apos; It's a little annoying,
it's terrible. os
923
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,436
Being in business with my brothers
924
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,949
ruined our relationship.
925
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,597
There are conflicting work ethics,
926
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,713
and father I have died.
927
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,392
He really unites us together
as a group
928
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,239
and keeps peace so to speak,
929
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,159
They start arguing < br /> like kids will argue, you know.
930
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,511
And they don't have it
that opportunity,
931
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,518
the gift to be able to
become a brother for 18 years.
932
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,680
When you live
in a family of children
933
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:08,270
You learn how to adjust to each other.
934
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,951
If I don't like the way
you do this, I can get angry,
935
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,038
or I can learn to compromise.
936
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,995
p>
937
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,999
But they meet as adults.
938
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,078
And never learn
how to live with each other.
939
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,238
When everything goes,
things becomes more complicated,
940
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,238
and because everything gets more complicated,
941
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,680
what finally happens is I go.
942
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:43,918
When Bobby leaves business
943
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,715
Eddy and I feel
that we are betrayed.
944
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:54,314
Bobby feels that
he is pushed out.
945
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,590
Either way, it's big, big
damage on relationships.
946
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,076
I think it takes
an extreme loll on Eddy
947
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,679
more than I think
David and Bobby.
948
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:09,634
who just wants to have it
everyone is at peace together,
949
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,671
and Eddy is very, very
upset about that.
950
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,234
He is a bit ruined
about that.
It's eating it.
951
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,120
He really loves them,
952
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,197
and he wants his brothers
to be together.
953
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,313
He's just not very sure
how to deal with it all.
954
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:30,709
You only see more
types of ups and downs,
955
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,234
erratic behavior. >
956
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,118
& apos; Eddy & apos; s
grew up listening. & apos;
957
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,958
& apos; Fur face, that's me. & apos;
958
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,354
"Geez, wake the child up."
959
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,358
your father ran away. "
960
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,439
You only see more
unnatural highs and lows.
961
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:52,079
He will call people and...
in strange hours at at night,
962
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,112
then they will say,
963
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,229
"I haven't seen or heard
from Eddy in ten years.
964
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,556
" Why did he pick up
the phone and call me
965
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,477
"at two o'clock < br /> in the morning? "
966
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,399
You know, that is,
it is a sign.
967
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,795
This is just...
this is more
968
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,349
than just someone
who needs counseling.
969
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,756
This, like, really
something very, very serious.
970
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,312
He can be very charming.
971
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,998
& apos; Hello? & apos;
972
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,112
But downswing
A lot of anger.
973
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,437
Er... only
deep and deep darkness .
974
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,195
Bead depression
975
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,074
I think that's what
they finally said.
976
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,272
That makes sense behind
977
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,513
I don't walk in the hallway
978
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,278
think, you know,
979
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:55,394
"I have a man who suffers from
from manic depression."
980
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,279
People will say, "How
can you not know?", but...
981
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,438
he is very unique
and very beautiful and special,
982
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,477
You just... it's Eddy,
you know.
983
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:18,390
I was told that he needed
to be in... a facility.
984
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,755
I mean, I feeling that bad
I made him experience this trauma
985
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,473
went to the psychology ward
986
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,750
because I was in psychology
ward and I knew how difficult it was.
987
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,839
When I was a kid, I spent
16th birthday on the psychology ward.
988
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,119
We were all really bullied by children.
989
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,232
We were all here under psychiatry
cares when we are teenagers.
990
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,194
We are all very challenging
991
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,716
and the years of dysfunctional teenagers.
992
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,069
Can we ask about the person?
993
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,434
One of you is involved
in murder,
994
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,629
Is that true?
995
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,113
It's up to you.
996
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,116
No no.
997
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,514
People Magazine...
998
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,951
One of them is accused of
being involved in murder.
999
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,558
And that's me,
1000
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,718
who never met this person
who was killed,
1001
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,752
was never present
or something.
1002
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,438
It's peer pressure.
1003
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,040
Friends press me
to cover them,
1004
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,071
tell a story for them
to the police
1005
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,713
and it pulls me into it.
1006
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,558
I have never hurt anyone even in my life.
1007
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,035
We know that, we can feel it.
1008
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,593
We can feel it.
1009
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:48,716
Many people in this study
had a childhood dysfunctional
1010
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,115
and some mental problems
1011
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,357
and that raises the question, you know.
1012
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,518
If you are a human
who has devoted your life,
1013
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,951
like Dr. Neubauer
to study mental illness ,
1014
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,994
then that is the
factor that you examined?
1015
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,679
& apos; The story is amazing.
This is a Disney movie. & apos;
1016
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,711
& apos; It's a little darker
from Disney movies. & apos;
1017
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,913
When we first met, we realized
we had all of these equations,
1018
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,349
we had the same behavior,
1019
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,550
both of us have studied film.
1020
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,516
And then we also know
1021
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,949
both of us have suffered from
from depression.
1022
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,119
So, this is the letter
1023
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,596
I received
from Louise Wise Services.
1024
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:44,237
"You were born at 12.51 noon
on October 9, 1968,
1025
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,318
"to a 29-year-old Jew
single woman.
1026
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,000
" He's very smart
with a high IQ.
1027
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,839
"He went to college
with an achievement scholarship
1028
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,510
"But an emotional problem
interrupted his presence,
1029
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,393
" He has a history of
voluntary hospital care
1030
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,477
"for emotional problem.
1031
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,318
"Although I haven't
been able to find
1032
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,433
" genuine medical reports,
secondary sources are recorded
1033
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,915
"That's a diagnosis your mother
is schizophrenia. "
1034
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,114
It was very disturbing
to read that my biological mother
1035
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,630
had entered and left
the institution.
1036
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,752
I started to find out more
1037
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:25,038
about the other twins
and the triplets in this study,
1038
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,594
and it turned out that
not only had a lot of them
1039
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,320
struggling mentally
health problems.
1040
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,240
But that their biological parents
had mental health problems.
1041
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,272
And their host family
never told.
1042
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,194
How is it possible
1043
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,756
that your mother
has mental health problems?
1044
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:51,873
Er... I don't think
they bad.
1045
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,515
L, I think he, er...
1046
01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:01,397
He might have some minor,
small problems, er...
1047
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,156
He might have a few, little
a little more than a small problem.
1048
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,989
Do scientists
deliberately choose children
1049
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,237
whose biological parents
have mental illness,
1050
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,479
and put it
to a different home
1051
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,912
to be seen, is a mental illness
editable.
1052
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,313
Eddy is there in the hospital
1053
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,431
because I think it's three weeks.
1054
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,474
And then he returns to work
in the restaurant.
1055
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,957
I'm not there.
David
is with him, all the time.
1056
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,270
I am think maybe he could give you
better details about it.
1057
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,438
I'm running the kitchen.
1058
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,756
Eddy isn't there.
I'm running the kitchen,
1059
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,438
he ran
the front of the house.
1060
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,278
That's how it works.
1061
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,915
And I don't know where he is,
and he lives across the street.
1062
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,871
So, David called me
from the restaurant
1063
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,039
and he asked me
to look out the window
1064
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,710
to see Is Eddy
's car in the driveway,
1065
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,717
because if you're in the driveway,
1066
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,398
we know he's at home.
1067
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,070
So, the car it's on the entrance,
1068
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:37,069
and I say to David, er...
1069
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,556
"Do you want me
go there?"
1070
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,798
And David said, "Yes."
1071
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,837
And he called me back
a few minutes later
1072
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,076
and his voice
trembled and trembled.
1073
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,509
He said,
"You have to go home."
1074
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,517
And I said, "Why ? "
1075
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,279
And he said," Please,
you just returned home. "
1076
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,313
Er...
1077
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,237
And me, er... I stopped
we stayed across the road.
1078
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,238
I stopped, sort of, just...
the police car was all there
1079
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,159
and I just sort ,
stop... you know,
1080
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,476
block halfway,
leave the door open
1081
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,670
and start running home
1082
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,554
and the police arrested me and
they won't let me in.
1083
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,511
They say, "You don't,
you don't want to see this.
1084
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,120
" You can't see this,
you don't want to see this.
1085
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,720
"You, you don't want to see this."
1086
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,673
And that's when I knew he was leaving.
1087
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,676
I told Bobby, "I need
to talk to you."
1088
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,949
And as if he was, he knew a little.
1089
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:52,393
He knew a little earlier
those words came out of my mouth.
1090
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,954
Eddy killed yourself.
1091
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,994
Eddy shot himself.
1092
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,516
He saw his own life.
1093
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:22,797
I don't remember who told us.
I only remember darkness .
1094
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:34,359
Buried on Father's Day,
I gave a speech,
1095
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,394
and I don't remember
everything I said,
1096
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,911
but I remember ever saying
that my brother Eddy
1097
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,952
can illuminate the room
with a smile.
1098
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,270
Why Eddy?
Why Eddy?
Why not me?
1099
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,516
I have asked myself myself
a hundred times.
1100
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,996
I prefer it to me than Eddy.
1101
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,999
I, I don't know why Eddy
and why not me.
1102
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,429
Maybe it's just because...
1103
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,039
I don't know, I just don't know.
1104
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,232
I, I, can't answer this.
1105
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,034
Thank you , Bobby.
1106
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,151
You're welcome.
1107
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:25,632
I want to know
the truth about experiments.
1108
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:32,154
My understanding, in
small groups of twins this
1109
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:33,838
is separated and studied,
1110
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,831
there are more than one suicide.
1111
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,713
It is almost impossible
just to be a coincidence.
1112
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,954
>
1113
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,751
Given Eddy's mental illness...
1114
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,398
If they have something conclusive
1115
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:02,876
which in any way predicts
anything in the future
1116
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,197
I need to know,
I want to know about that.
1117
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,672
There are still many
we don't know.
1118
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,876
I have more questions
than I have an answer.
1119
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,717
One of the things
about being a journalist
1120
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,479
is that you don't know what
you will find.
1121
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,955
Sometimes you know
what you don't know
1122
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,073
that is frustrating
likes this story.
1123
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,239
Well, I don't understand
to the bottom
1124
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,430
because I never get it
to see the research.
1125
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:48,278
Like no one knows, you know.
1126
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,470
That will be the basis.
1127
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,557
But that's why
> this is very tempting.
1128
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:06,118
Here's the research I saved
1129
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,754
from when I was writing
about twins.
1130
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,076
It's been a long time since that
I've seen this box.
1131
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,430
This is interesting.
1132
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,356
Mini tapes.
1133
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:28,519
Before he died, I managed
to talk to Dr. Neubauer.
1134
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,437
He was reluctant ,
1135
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:34,269
he never talked about it
As far as I know.
1136
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,880
Alright, let's see
what he said.
1137
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,391
& apos; OK , I understand now.
1138
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:44,909
& apos; How did this research
occur? & apos;
1139
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,234
& apos; I say to you,
1140
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,079
& apos; I prefer
don't want to talk about it. & apos;
1141
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,919
& apos; Very?
Why? & apos;
1142
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,349
& apos; Until
we have published it. & apos;
1143
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,279
& apos; -When did you plan to publish it? & apos;
1144
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,950
& apos; Well, maybe, we will publish
1145
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,958
& apos; in about a year,
one and a half years from now. & apos;
1146
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,718
He must be hard to understand,
1147
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,990
he protects something.
1148
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,749
& apos; Okay, tell a little
about the scope of the research
1149
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,918
& apos; and how many people
are involved in it? & apos;
1150
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,476
& apos; The study was only
based on a small number
1151
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,912
& apos; identical twins
separated at birth,
1152
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,110
& apos; for many, many reasons.
1153
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,436
"I don't want to talk
about that now.
1154
01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:31,269
" We have to stop it because
it becomes too expensive. "
1155
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,119
& apos; Who is it
your main support? "
1156
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,549
& apos; Some personal family foundations.
1157
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,634
& apos; We have money
from Washington. & apos;
1158
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,718
& apos; GOOD. & apos;
1159
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,469
Private charity and
Washington, what does that mean?
1160
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,273
And I don't know where
their funding comes from.
1161
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:52,674
& apos; OK, thanks again
for your time. & apos;
1162
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:53,676
& apos; Congratulations stay!
1163
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,080
I think that there is
very sensitive
1164
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,316
about this story.
1165
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,158
There are many strong people
1166
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,352
who want
to have this story silenced.
1167
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,879
What happened to the research
1168
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,638
as far as you know?
1169
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,991
Before Neubauer died in 2008,
1170
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,316
he left all the research material
1171
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,079
in the archive at Yale University.
1172
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:29,511
Neubauer put it under the seal,
for decades and decades.
1173
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:34,031
As far as I know
no one can access it.
1174
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,038
Er... what do we have here?
1175
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:45,993
Wow.
1176
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,834
1177
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,678
Study Notes for Adoption Guide
1178
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,075
Child Development Center.
1179
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,956
66 boxes containing information:
1180
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,392
charts, films, and cassettes
and findings research.
1181
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:09,034
Home visit, that's the big one.
1182
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:13,199
He said that the date of the
study came from 1960 to 1980.
1183
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:18,076
I think reunion we,
kind of close the study.
1184
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,112
"Information about access.
1185
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,996
" Records are limited to
to 2066. "
1186
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,718
It's sealed!
1187
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,958
So, they do everything they do
1188
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,799
to have this whole list
1189
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,835
in a dusty library somewhere,
where nothing can touch it.
1190
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,477
"Researchers hope
to use this note
1191
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:50,874
" before this date must be safe
1192
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,797
"Written authorization
from Jewish Council
1193
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,797
"Family and Children
Services."
1194
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,393
Jewish Council
is the parent organization
1195
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:07,673
Child Development Center
run by Peter Neubauer .
1196
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:10,634
My understanding is that
1197
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,877
they are very, very
strong organization
1198
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,709
very deeply
political connections,
1199
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,194
>
1200
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,312
& apos; Thank you for calling
1201
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,510
& apos; Jewish Family Council
and Children's Services. & apos;
1202
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,996
& apos; Hello!
1203
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:36,432
Yes, hi.
My name is
is David Kellman, er...
1204
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,598
and it turns out , I was an
one of the subjects of a study,
1205
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,359
run by Child Development
Center a few years ago,
1206
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,030
and it was saved
in Yale University.
1207
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,435
- Yes? & Apos;
- And on their website it says
1208
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,040
to get
access to that note,
1209
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,596
and somehow the receptionist
made me for you.
1210
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,870
& apos; GOOD.
Er...
1211
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,719
"I don't know that
stuff or during the research,
1212
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:00,955
& apos; but I can... & apos;
1213
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,354
Have there are
a number of journalists
1214
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,710
and as far as I know,
some of the twins
1215
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,558
involved in this research
1216
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,876
who have tried to get
access to this material.
1217
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,834
As far as I know
they cannot see
1218
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,440
the results of this study.
1219
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:27,313
Is there a way all I can do
directly to someone
1220
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,397
will be able to
to give me access,
1221
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:31,750
because I am one of the subjects
in research this?
1222
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,555
If anyone has the right
to see all this material,
1223
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:36,999
those are the real people
1224
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,394
research subjects.
1225
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:40,078
They must know what is learned.
1226
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,118
"I mean, I don't know
1227
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,393
>
1228
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:48,953
& apos; who will be the person
to ask now.
1229
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,516
& apos; I will need
to see that. & apos;
1230
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,358
Okay, so you're the first line
defense, so to speak.
1231
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,756
"I guess, yes."
1232
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,759
OK, I will send you an email.
I will place in the subject line,
1233
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,155
will become, er...
"Twin Study".
1234
01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:09,269
& apos; Get you!
1235
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:13,199
Louise Wise Services <
1236
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,037
Peter Neubauer died.
1237
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,916
But we still don't know exactly
1238
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,117
what they are looking for,
or what they found.
1239
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:52,634
and I am an assistant researcher
in Peter Neubauer's study.
1240
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,593
I believe I was the only person
1241
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,631
who worked in this research
1242
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,273
who wants
1243
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,914
to continue to record
1244
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:03,394
about what has been done.
1245
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,353
I am 24 years old.
1246
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,711
This is basically my first job.
1247
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:21,272
You know, you have to be careful
not to let that, er...
1248
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:25,393
"Wow, you see
like You, your twin brother. "
1249
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:30,435
I'll be fired
in place, right?
1250
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,039
It's a little tempting, yes,
1251
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,593
is there, there is < a little temptation.
1252
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:37,076
It's like,
"Hey, me, I know your twin.
1253
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:43,196
" I saw someone a week ago
which was exactly like you. "
1254
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,749
The question is whether
I feel guilty is interesting
1255
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,317
because I never felt
a responsibility.
1256
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,270
I came after this was designed.
1257
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,397
However, I am a participant,
1258
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:05,991
so you can say I
was ethically compromised by that.
1259
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:12,912
In retrospect, I think that
is undoubtedly wrong ethically.
1260
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,756
I got a few notes here.
GOOD.
1261
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:21,873
GOOD.
1262
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,280
This is my real original note,
1263
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,756
the copy of the
psychology I did.
1264
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,031
And who entered, who entered
especially in these files?
1265
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,390
Well, I have the triplets.
1266
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,549
We start .
1267
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,160
I, I won't mention
name.
but, er...
1268
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,477
"He's a hard and energetic boy.
1269
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,477
p>
1270
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,079
"It takes to show off,
1271
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,714
" both his intelligence
and his strength,
1272
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,355
"and demeaning others
including his parents."
1273
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,350
Yes, this one is excited
to show off his new bike
1274
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:14,349
and all his sports equipment
when I record it.
1275
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,119
He is very intense in his game
1276
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:22,394
and quite... rough.
1277
01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:24,192
This child has a problem.
1278
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,269
Hyper aggressiveness.
1279
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:32,435
Okay, apparently,
1280
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:33,834
his parents are unconscious
1281
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,315
the problems,
they also can't help him
1282
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:37,873
understand the weaknesses
1283
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,470
and build more appropriate
> control over his actions.
1284
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,832
So, I don't think parents
are highly sought after
1285
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,520
for the struggle
this youngster is experiencing.
1286
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,397
Apa temuannya
studi?
1287
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:59,389
I don't know because
I left the study room after 10 months
1288
01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:02,791
and the results
have never been published,
1289
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,518
Everything I have is my little, < small pieces.
1290
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,110
This is a mystery, it's a big loss.
1291
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,555
All this important scientific data
1292
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,434
is only buried in this archive.
1293
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,595
>
1294
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,280
So, some people speculate
1295
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,197
that the purpose of this study is,
the final goal,
1296
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:32,350
is looking at mental health.
1297
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:38,874
I am.... there is, there has never been
mention of mental health
1298
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:43,438
from biological parents
when I am in the study.
1299
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:46,359
We are not interested
in mental health,
1300
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,040
it's not
we are interested.
1301
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,594
We are looking for
for differences in care.
1302
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,075
and how it will affect
development.
1303
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,717
So, you say
they are more interested
1304
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,637
in family dynamics?
1305
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,832
But they can't do it
know that.
They don't know
1306
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:10,837
how the family
will interact
1307
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,235
with this newly adopted child.
1308
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,556
The only way
they might know
1309
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,836
about family dynamics
1310
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,999
is if they already have children
placed in that family.
1311
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,951
& apos; Another coincidence that
1312
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,071
& apos; in this story
are each brother
1313
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,953
& apos; Raised in their family
with relatives women lift,
1314
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,231
& apos; All girls
are now 21 years old. <
1315
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,477
The triplets,
they all have older siblings.
1316
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:39,715
They are placed in the family
1317
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,229
where there are older
adopted children
1318
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,159
who have been placed with,
by Louise Wise.
1319
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,469
That's part of the design.
1320
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,600
It's nice to meet you.
1321
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,790
It's nice to meet you.
1322
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,516
I just like
to show you clips.
1323
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,713
This is Lawrence Perlman, who
A researcher in this study.
1324
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,509
& apos; What happened
research findings?
1325
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:32,509
& apos; I don't know because
they were never published .
1326
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,791
& apos; We are looking for
for differences in care.
1327
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,073
"We want to understand
childcare practices
1328
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:41,872
& apos; and how it will affect
development.
1329
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,275
& apos; The triplets
placed in the family
1330
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,960
& apos; Where there are older
adopted children
1331
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,959
& apos; That has been placed with,
by Louise Wise.
1332
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,870
"That's part of the design."
1333
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,957
How do you feel watching it?
1334
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,994
Like a lab rat.
1335
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,070
That only makes it
a lot... it's just...
1336
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:09,440
That just makes it...
1337
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:12,199
- That's much worse.
- Much more double-faced.
1338
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:14,275
Er...
1339
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:15,799
They not only study children,
1340
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,037
but they are studying parents.
1341
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,950
So, they actually know
parenting style of every parent.
1342
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,274
So, this is not, you know...
1343
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,358
Obviously it's far
from random choices.
1344
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:32,354
They know exactly
who they choose
1345
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:38,237
to place each of us
when they call Gallands,
1346
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,989
and Kellmans, and Shafrans.
1347
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,913
In terms of how
they care for their children
1348
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,553
three families
1349
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,160
enough, very different.
1350
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,759
David's father stands out.
1351
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,474
No one in this world
is like his son.
1352
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:12,476
He is very proud of him .
Whatever he did was extraordinary.
1353
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:18,630
Bobby's father
was very busy as a doctor
1354
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:23,516
and did not have time
with Bobby
1355
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,676
p>
1356
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,395
that David's father has,
1357
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,193
but just as loyal to him
as possible.
1358
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:40,637
The most traditional thing
is Eddy's father...
1359
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,758
which is rather tight.
He is the boss.
1360
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,635
He made the rules and Eddy
should follow.
1361
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:55,279
Eddy's relationship
with his father...
1362
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,475
that can't be good.
1363
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,672
And that's important.
1364
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:10,476
And why did you
say it couldn't be good?
1365
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:11,874
Because if not,
I will know it,
1366
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,316
we will see it,
1367
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,278
This is the last picture
We once owned Edward.
1368
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,470
He was very gregarious.
1369
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,353
He entered all things
young men.
1370
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,596
He damaged the car
1371
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,599
and some things like that, but...
1372
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:48,476
I mean, sometimes
I discipline him.
1373
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:53,230
Eddy and his father
are very different from people.
1374
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:58,673
Eddy is more artistic, a little kid,
You know, he doesn't like sports.
1375
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,838
Elliott has a very
Strong militaristic
1376
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,157
type of approach to life,
very traditional.
1377
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,760
He is a teacher,
he is all about punctuality.
1378
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,960
I am a strict disciplinary,
1379
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,312
and my children unfortunately
1380
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,119
have me as strict
discipline too.
1381
01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:26,511
Eddy says he always
kind of doesn't feel
1382
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,713
like he matches his family.
1383
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:38,797
He always feels like, likes
he is not in the right place.
1384
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,797
How much do you have sense
1385
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:48,356
that Edward is unhappy?
1386
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,916
He did not discuss
his problems with me.
1387
01:26:57,480 --> 01:26:59,994
We are a rather quiet family.
1388
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:05,035
We are not tell our problems
with each other.
1389
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,831
We protect each other.
It's a good family.
1390
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,232
Some people
just don't match.
1391
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,517
It wasn't his father's fault.
1392
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:34,636
Elliot did what he believed
to be the best as a parent.
1393
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,877
They were just different people.
1394
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:43,040
p>
1395
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:47,233
I got a phone call from...
I believe that is Bobby.
1396
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,238
And he told me to sit
1397
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,557
and I said there was no need.
1398
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:58,800
And then stand there
1399
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,151
I go to my wife
1400
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:07,070
and tell Edward to her
has committed suicide.
1401
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:12,115
And we standing there
long enough, crying.
1402
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:23,035
And... that's it.
1403
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:40,150
I often wonder if that
I didn't teach him something .. .
1404
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,236
because of the way he went.
1405
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,040
I don't know.
1406
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,391
Maybe I didn't teach him something,
1407
01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:55,831
how to live a life or something.
1408
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,430
That bothers me occasionally.
1409
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:14,590
Why is the life of a boy
really different?
1410
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,119
I don't need to read any hooks,
1411
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,515
I don't need to read any studies.
1412
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:24,073
I saw it directly
with these three boys.
1413
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,351
It's all about parenting.
1414
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:44,914
p>
1415
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,679
& apos; They all sit
in the same position. & apos;
1416
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,559
We found many similarities
1417
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,240
because that's what people
are looking for.
1418
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:54,873
They smoke the same as
types of cigarettes.
1419
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,194
You say, "My God,
1420
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,800
& apos; They smoke Marlboros,
that's amazing. & apos;
1421
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,229
What are you not looking for < > their differences.
1422
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,237
& apos; I can't forget it,
I tell you.
1423
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:04,714
"You all wrestle
at one time? & apos;
1424
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:05,830
& apos; Yes. & apos;
1425
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,753
We found the way
that we are the same
1426
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,196
and we emphasize
and we want to be similar.
1427
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,673
We fall in love
with each other.
1428
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,236
I think there
is superficial.
1429
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:24,274
They like the same thing
and they have the same interests,
1430
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,199
but deep down they are different.
1431
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:33,954
They are not a case study of
biology to destiny.
1432
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,719
I started to believe
genes and environment
1433
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:46,230
are close competitors.
1434
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,718
You can say that we drifted
towards
1435
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,719
that our genes told us to go
1436
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,400
but that doesn't mean
you were destined
1437
01:30:58,440 --> 01:31:01,432
become one or another person.
1438
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:10,318
I believe that I am still here today
1439
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:14,758
because the foundation
was given to me by my parents.
1440
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:19,317
I believe it is entirely
making a difference
1441
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,237
in terms of fighting
1442
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,112
with any demon
I struggle with.
1443
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:31,351
I believe in nature
and maintain these two things.
1444
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:38,300
But I think maintaining
can overcome almost everything.
1445
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,673
Because the research
was never published
1446
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,677
we don't know for sure
1447
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:22,038
how many lives
were separated in this way.
1448
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:23,639
Maybe there are still twins out there
1449
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,433
who still don't know
they are twins.
1450
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:31,719
There may be
at least four individuals
1451
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,036
who were the subject of this study
1452
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,869
who did not know
that they had twin brothers.
1453
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,231
If they knew it was there
still twins out there
1454
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:46,593
were lost in life,
it shocked the mind.
1455
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,756
There are two ways
think about it.
1456
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,077
These people really need to know
that there is a twin,
1457
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,589
or, "Oh my God, these people
/> shouldn't know
1458
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:59,032
"that they are used this way,
which will make them very upset. "
1459
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:03,199
Maybe this is why
research can't be published yet,
1460
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,390
until they leave.
1461
01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:09,790
Il really opens up the possibility.
1462
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,956
Anyone can
walk around the comers
1463
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,675
dan temukan dirimu
memiliki kembar di luar sana