1 00:00:03,804 --> 00:00:07,041 [wind gusting] 2 00:00:19,753 --> 00:00:22,022 [chirping] 3 00:00:24,792 --> 00:00:29,063 [Mark Henderson] What I wanted to do first is to give you an image 4 00:00:29,097 --> 00:00:32,633 of what drives me forward in fusion. 5 00:01:32,693 --> 00:01:36,297 [Henderson] Imagine you're reaching up and you're grabbing the sun, 6 00:01:36,330 --> 00:01:39,300 something of the order of a 100 million degrees Celsius, 7 00:01:39,333 --> 00:01:41,469 and you want to put the sun in a bottle. 8 00:01:48,642 --> 00:01:52,813 And we have ways of doing that. We create a magnetic model. 9 00:01:52,846 --> 00:01:56,184 Compared to anything that mankind has ever done in the past, 10 00:01:56,217 --> 00:01:59,920 be it walking on the moon, be it decoding DNA, 11 00:01:59,953 --> 00:02:01,522 this is a great challenge. 12 00:02:03,391 --> 00:02:06,460 We, as humans, we're lazy. [chuckles] 13 00:02:06,494 --> 00:02:09,297 In the sense that if we have a choice of going 14 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:11,799 a very easy path or very complicated path, 15 00:02:11,832 --> 00:02:13,334 we would always go the easy path. 16 00:02:13,367 --> 00:02:14,902 And that's what we're doing with energy. 17 00:02:14,935 --> 00:02:17,171 We're burning fossil fuels, 18 00:02:17,205 --> 00:02:19,507 coal, natural gas, crude oil, 19 00:02:19,540 --> 00:02:21,642 and that is changing the environment. 20 00:02:32,420 --> 00:02:35,323 We're similar to, I hate to say it, to yeast, 21 00:02:35,356 --> 00:02:37,525 where the yeast basically multiply, multiply, multiply, 22 00:02:37,558 --> 00:02:40,528 eat up all of the flour and the dough 23 00:02:40,561 --> 00:02:43,831 until basically they die off from their own excrement, 24 00:02:43,864 --> 00:02:45,933 uh, because they've just eaten up all their resources, 25 00:02:45,966 --> 00:02:48,602 and they've died from their own pollution that they've created. 26 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:07,588 We have to find a clean source 27 00:03:07,621 --> 00:03:09,790 that's going to be available for lifetimes, 28 00:03:09,823 --> 00:03:12,426 and that's what fusion is. 29 00:03:12,460 --> 00:03:14,995 I really feel that if we don't crack fusion, we are doomed, 30 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:16,597 to be honest. 31 00:04:44,852 --> 00:04:46,754 [man] What we're trying to do here is to make 32 00:04:46,787 --> 00:04:48,556 a artificial star. 33 00:04:48,589 --> 00:04:51,058 Stars have some things we don't have on Earth, 34 00:04:51,091 --> 00:04:52,793 size and mass. 35 00:04:53,961 --> 00:04:57,331 The Sun, for example, is a very nice fusion reactor 36 00:04:57,365 --> 00:04:59,500 that enjoys considerable public support, 37 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:01,602 and it works on the basis of gravity 38 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:04,938 plus its magnetic field, uh, to confine the plasma. 39 00:05:04,972 --> 00:05:07,608 Now, the sun is really big, 40 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:10,010 800,000 miles, something like, across. 41 00:05:10,043 --> 00:05:12,780 Uh, we clearly don't want anything that big, 42 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:15,616 so we have to rely on the magnetic fields alone. 43 00:05:18,819 --> 00:05:20,954 That turns out to be doable, 44 00:05:20,988 --> 00:05:23,791 but technologically difficult to do on a large scale. 45 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:25,759 And so we've been learning how to do this 46 00:05:25,793 --> 00:05:27,595 for about 40 or 50 years. 47 00:05:33,601 --> 00:05:37,070 What's amazing about work in that era is we didn't know 48 00:05:37,104 --> 00:05:40,874 what the energy process that drove stars was. 49 00:05:40,908 --> 00:05:43,343 [keyboard clacking] 50 00:05:53,487 --> 00:05:56,123 Hans Bethe, the nuclear physicist, 51 00:05:56,156 --> 00:05:57,725 uh, was at a seminar, 52 00:05:57,758 --> 00:06:00,494 and the next day he was gonna give a talk 53 00:06:00,528 --> 00:06:03,797 where he talked about a fusion fuel cycle for the stars. 54 00:06:03,831 --> 00:06:07,901 But he had a date that night, and so they went out for a walk. 55 00:06:07,935 --> 00:06:11,505 And he came out with what has to be the best line ever, 56 00:06:11,539 --> 00:06:13,874 which is, "Aren't the starts beautiful tonight? 57 00:06:13,907 --> 00:06:16,844 And right now, I'm the only guy in the world who knows why." 58 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:20,147 [TV host] In the sun's core, 59 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:24,418 when these particles are accelerated to high speeds 60 00:06:24,452 --> 00:06:25,719 and collide... [claps hands] 61 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:27,421 ...they fuse. 62 00:06:33,661 --> 00:06:36,564 [man] Fusion fuel is in, essentially, infinite supply 63 00:06:36,597 --> 00:06:39,533 and is available to all countries at negligible cost. 64 00:06:40,801 --> 00:06:45,806 The fuel, or fusion... is in common water. 65 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,543 Fusion will produce no noxious chemical combustion products, 66 00:06:49,577 --> 00:06:53,514 and there will be absolutely no chance of a runaway reaction. 67 00:06:53,547 --> 00:06:55,549 And fusion will not involve materials 68 00:06:55,583 --> 00:06:58,652 that could be stolen or used for clandestine purposes. 69 00:06:58,686 --> 00:07:01,722 When I came into this project almost 20 years ago, 70 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:04,525 there was a tremendous amount of enthusiasm. 71 00:07:04,558 --> 00:07:06,894 Everyone was confident of success. 72 00:07:10,197 --> 00:07:12,065 [man] In the Zeta apparatus, 73 00:07:12,099 --> 00:07:14,167 we have produced temperatures 74 00:07:14,201 --> 00:07:16,036 which are about one-third of those 75 00:07:16,069 --> 00:07:18,038 at the center of the sun. 76 00:07:18,071 --> 00:07:19,573 [man] But this enthusiasm 77 00:07:19,607 --> 00:07:22,009 was a kind of ignorant enthusiasm. 78 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:25,045 As fusion researchers have painfully discovered, 79 00:07:25,078 --> 00:07:26,714 it's just not that simple. 80 00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:28,582 After this initial enthusiasm, 81 00:07:28,616 --> 00:07:31,719 then came a decade of caution and skepticism. 82 00:07:31,752 --> 00:07:35,222 And now, after 20 years, we're back to enthusiasm. 83 00:07:35,255 --> 00:07:37,591 [man] In the early 1980s, we expect to create 84 00:07:37,625 --> 00:07:38,792 many thermal megawatts 85 00:07:38,826 --> 00:07:40,861 of fusion energy for the first time. 86 00:07:56,243 --> 00:07:58,912 [Michel Laberge] So the whole planet needs a lot of energy. 87 00:07:58,946 --> 00:08:02,883 And so far, we've been running mostly on fossil fuels. 88 00:08:02,916 --> 00:08:03,917 Been a good run. 89 00:08:03,951 --> 00:08:06,720 It got us to where we are, but we have to stop. 90 00:08:08,021 --> 00:08:10,223 So we are trying different types of energy now, 91 00:08:10,257 --> 00:08:11,258 alternative energy. 92 00:08:11,291 --> 00:08:13,994 But it proved quite difficult to find something 93 00:08:14,027 --> 00:08:16,997 that's as convenient and as cost-effective 94 00:08:17,030 --> 00:08:20,067 as oil, gas, and coal. 95 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:24,572 Now, we know of two way of making, er, nuclear energy: 96 00:08:24,605 --> 00:08:26,907 Fission and fusion. 97 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:28,976 Now, in fission, you take a big nucleus, 98 00:08:29,009 --> 00:08:32,012 you break it in part, in two, and it makes lots of energy. 99 00:08:32,045 --> 00:08:34,915 This is how the nuclear reactor today works. 100 00:08:34,948 --> 00:08:36,216 Works pretty good. 101 00:08:36,249 --> 00:08:37,918 And then there is fusion. 102 00:08:37,951 --> 00:08:40,721 Now, I like fusion. Fusion's much better. 103 00:08:40,754 --> 00:08:43,591 So you take two small nucleus, you put it together, 104 00:08:43,624 --> 00:08:44,825 and you make helium. 105 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:47,160 And that's very nice. Makes lots of energy. 106 00:08:47,194 --> 00:08:50,798 And if the whole planet would run on fusion, it would run-- 107 00:08:50,831 --> 00:08:52,566 We could extract the fuel from the ocean, 108 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,736 it would run for billions and billions of years. 109 00:08:55,769 --> 00:08:59,172 Now, if fusion is so great, why don't we have it. 110 00:08:59,206 --> 00:09:00,708 Where is it? 111 00:09:00,741 --> 00:09:02,309 Well, there's always a bit of a catch. 112 00:09:02,342 --> 00:09:05,045 Fusion is really, really hard to do. 113 00:09:05,078 --> 00:09:08,916 Physics-wise, fusion is the, the fusion, ha-ha, 114 00:09:08,949 --> 00:09:09,717 of two nucleus. 115 00:09:09,750 --> 00:09:12,185 Usually, you use a hydrogen nucleus 116 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:13,787 or isotope of hydrogen. 117 00:09:13,821 --> 00:09:16,256 And when they touch each other, they fuse together, 118 00:09:16,289 --> 00:09:17,490 and they make helium 119 00:09:17,524 --> 00:09:20,594 and release a lot of energy in the form of a fast neutron. 120 00:09:20,628 --> 00:09:23,330 So this is the, the nuclear reaction in the center. 121 00:09:23,363 --> 00:09:24,464 Now the problem is those two nucleus, 122 00:09:24,497 --> 00:09:26,800 they're electrically charged, they're both positive, 123 00:09:26,834 --> 00:09:28,301 so they don't want to stick together. 124 00:09:28,335 --> 00:09:30,003 They go like this, whoo, shoo, 125 00:09:30,037 --> 00:09:31,271 and they never fuse. 126 00:09:31,304 --> 00:09:33,707 So in order to fuse, you have to throw them at great speed. 127 00:09:33,741 --> 00:09:35,943 And speed in a gas is the temperature. 128 00:09:35,976 --> 00:09:38,378 So you have to heat the gas so the thermal agitation 129 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:41,682 is fast enough so the nucleus can touch each other. 130 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:44,017 And that temperature is a 150 million degrees C. 131 00:09:44,051 --> 00:09:46,787 That's pretty hot. And this is how the stars work. 132 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:48,155 The-The stars are very hot 133 00:09:48,188 --> 00:09:51,058 and inside the star, there is this fusion reaction. 134 00:09:51,091 --> 00:09:53,794 So on the Earth here, we need to heat the gas 135 00:09:53,827 --> 00:09:55,295 to 150 million degrees C. 136 00:09:55,328 --> 00:09:59,099 And the other problem is a gas that hot wants to cool down. 137 00:09:59,132 --> 00:10:00,734 So it cools down really quickly. 138 00:10:00,768 --> 00:10:03,370 So you put some energy in there to heat it up, 139 00:10:03,403 --> 00:10:04,437 and then the heat escape. 140 00:10:04,471 --> 00:10:06,840 And when it's hot enough, it makes some reaction, 141 00:10:06,874 --> 00:10:08,909 it makes some fusion, it makes some energy. 142 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:10,678 So the name of the game is to try to get 143 00:10:10,711 --> 00:10:12,112 more energy out than you put in. 144 00:11:12,372 --> 00:11:14,207 [clanking] 145 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:18,779 [man] The world's most ambitious attempt 146 00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:21,081 to harvest fusion as a source of power 147 00:11:21,114 --> 00:11:22,816 is taking shape in France. 148 00:11:22,850 --> 00:11:26,253 The project is costing 13 billion pounds 149 00:11:26,286 --> 00:11:29,189 and it's being backed by a whole swathe of countries 150 00:11:29,222 --> 00:11:30,958 around the world. 151 00:11:52,045 --> 00:11:54,447 [Ken Blackler] ITER's going to be built from about a million pieces, 152 00:11:54,481 --> 00:11:55,883 so it's a real nightmare 153 00:11:55,916 --> 00:11:57,918 to know where pieces are and don't lose them, 154 00:11:57,951 --> 00:11:59,486 know which piece goes where, 155 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:01,721 wh-what is this piece that I'm looking at. 156 00:12:02,823 --> 00:12:04,825 We build the tokamak from the bottom up, 157 00:12:04,858 --> 00:12:06,459 so you can only build it in a certain way. 158 00:12:06,493 --> 00:12:07,828 So if a certain piece is missing, 159 00:12:07,861 --> 00:12:09,229 we'll have to wait for it. 160 00:12:09,262 --> 00:12:11,531 So it's key-- At the moment, what we're doing 161 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:14,234 is a very large planning effort with all the members 162 00:12:14,267 --> 00:12:17,037 to make sure that each piece is delivered to us 163 00:12:17,070 --> 00:12:18,571 in good time and at the right time. 164 00:12:18,605 --> 00:12:21,541 [Guenter Janeschitz] The parties all want to learn all the technologies, 165 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:24,377 which means you not giving one component to a party, 166 00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:26,980 you're giving a piece of a component, and the other party 167 00:12:27,014 --> 00:12:28,849 wants another piece of the same component 168 00:12:28,882 --> 00:12:30,517 so that they all can learn the technology. 169 00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:32,986 It is luckily not so that we have seven pieces 170 00:12:33,020 --> 00:12:35,555 -of each component that it will be too difficult... -[man laughs] 171 00:12:35,588 --> 00:12:37,424 but we have sometimes three or four pieces 172 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:38,892 of each component, and that means... 173 00:12:38,926 --> 00:12:41,328 We have to talk to our partners, to the members, 174 00:12:41,361 --> 00:12:42,462 in all the-- as you say, 175 00:12:42,495 --> 00:12:43,964 in all these countries around the world, 176 00:12:43,997 --> 00:12:47,400 in Korea, in Japan, in Russia, China, US, India. 177 00:12:47,434 --> 00:12:50,570 You have not one guy to deal with. 178 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:52,405 You have three or four guys to deal with 179 00:12:52,439 --> 00:12:53,874 for the same component. 180 00:12:53,907 --> 00:12:55,909 We are pushing the edge of technology 181 00:12:55,943 --> 00:12:58,879 and therefore, sometimes we run into problems 182 00:12:58,912 --> 00:13:00,881 and we have to solve these problems. 183 00:13:00,914 --> 00:13:04,918 [man] Critics point out that the costs have trebled in five years. 184 00:13:04,952 --> 00:13:07,154 They say the whole project is a gamble 185 00:13:07,187 --> 00:13:08,388 that won't pay off. 186 00:13:08,421 --> 00:13:11,825 [Janeschitz] Will we be able, with our complex structure, 187 00:13:11,859 --> 00:13:14,494 and the money we have, to be in time? 188 00:13:14,527 --> 00:13:18,198 This is actually the most, uh, difficult thing at the moment, 189 00:13:18,231 --> 00:13:19,366 to stay in time. 190 00:13:20,934 --> 00:13:22,535 [man] What's slowly taking shape here 191 00:13:22,569 --> 00:13:24,237 in the southern French countryside 192 00:13:24,271 --> 00:13:28,108 could provide the answer to the world's energy crisis, 193 00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:31,211 or it might prove one of the most expensive failures 194 00:13:31,244 --> 00:13:33,013 in scientific history. 195 00:13:40,187 --> 00:13:42,155 [Mark Henderson] So I'm gonna try to go through quickly. 196 00:13:42,189 --> 00:13:44,324 I wanna give you an idea of the realistic schedule. 197 00:13:44,357 --> 00:13:48,028 I received an email this morning of a new first plasma date, 198 00:13:48,061 --> 00:13:49,997 which is different from the first plasma date 199 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:51,932 that you will see, uh, 200 00:13:51,965 --> 00:13:54,001 or which was the first plasma date of about two weeks ago, 201 00:13:54,034 --> 00:13:55,235 which is different from what you'll see. 202 00:13:55,268 --> 00:13:58,338 So there's three iterations behind the first plasma date. 203 00:13:58,371 --> 00:14:03,176 When ITER organization came about in 2006, 204 00:14:03,210 --> 00:14:05,612 we said that we would be producing the first plasma 205 00:14:05,645 --> 00:14:07,080 in 10 years. 206 00:14:07,114 --> 00:14:08,581 And if you guys do the math real quickly, 207 00:14:08,615 --> 00:14:12,252 you realize that we're not ready for first plasma next year. 208 00:14:27,134 --> 00:14:29,269 Not sure where I'm gonna put this guy. 209 00:14:30,637 --> 00:14:32,205 [panting] It's a toad. 210 00:14:34,141 --> 00:14:37,644 -[man] Where was that? -He was inside the compost. 211 00:14:37,677 --> 00:14:41,181 So he digs underneath... in the compost pile 212 00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:42,249 to stay warm. 213 00:14:42,282 --> 00:14:45,185 My problem is that I turn the compost all the time, 214 00:14:45,218 --> 00:14:48,455 so I don't want him to go in there again. 215 00:14:48,488 --> 00:14:50,023 I'm gonna put him underneath here. 216 00:14:52,993 --> 00:14:54,127 Back when I started in fusion, 217 00:14:54,161 --> 00:14:58,098 back in the 19-- mid-1980s, 218 00:14:58,131 --> 00:15:01,134 the idea was that fusion was gonna be successful, 219 00:15:01,168 --> 00:15:04,404 and we would have fusion on the grid 220 00:15:04,437 --> 00:15:06,639 in about 50 years. 221 00:15:06,673 --> 00:15:10,410 And now, it's, uh, 35 years into my-- 222 00:15:10,443 --> 00:15:12,279 30 years into my career now. 223 00:15:13,180 --> 00:15:16,116 Up until about 2000, the year 2000, 224 00:15:16,149 --> 00:15:18,085 we were just advancing and advancing 225 00:15:18,118 --> 00:15:19,953 at really a fast rate. 226 00:15:20,687 --> 00:15:24,591 And now, the problem is is that, uh, 227 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:26,593 in order to make the next step, 228 00:15:26,626 --> 00:15:28,495 we just need to go to a bigger machine 229 00:15:28,528 --> 00:15:30,397 and unfortunately, bigger machines 230 00:15:30,430 --> 00:15:34,067 take longer to build, are much more complex. 231 00:15:34,101 --> 00:15:39,206 I know that I will be retiring before ITER's successful, 232 00:15:39,239 --> 00:15:42,375 so I'm like the guy building a cathedral, 233 00:15:42,409 --> 00:15:45,578 who have-- knows that he's gonna be putting this brick on, 234 00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:46,746 this brick on, and this brick on, 235 00:15:46,779 --> 00:15:48,448 and he's gonna be spending his whole career 236 00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:49,549 putting bricks together, 237 00:15:49,582 --> 00:15:51,418 but he'll never see the end piece, the cathedral, 238 00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:53,353 that will take hundreds of years to build. 239 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:07,067 [man speaking English] 240 00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:29,142 My name is Evgeny Velikov, 241 00:18:29,176 --> 00:18:35,282 and now my main position is honorary something. 242 00:19:06,613 --> 00:19:09,449 [journalists shouting] 243 00:19:09,482 --> 00:19:11,651 [news reporter] Are you optimistic, Mister President. 244 00:19:11,684 --> 00:19:13,486 I'm always optimistic. 245 00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:40,647 [ticking] 246 00:19:45,585 --> 00:19:48,421 [Henderson] I was gonna ask, do you want me to explain the gyrotron real quick? 247 00:19:48,455 --> 00:19:50,590 Yeah, I can do it very quickly and really cool. 248 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:54,927 If you take-- I don't have a Coke bottle-- 249 00:19:54,961 --> 00:19:56,963 if you take a Coke bottle and you blow across 250 00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:58,565 the top of the Coke bottle... 251 00:19:58,598 --> 00:20:01,301 Do you mind-- Can you get me a Coke bottle downstairs? 252 00:20:01,334 --> 00:20:03,403 It's down over there. 253 00:20:03,436 --> 00:20:06,339 I have four minutes, no? How much? Yes, four minutes. 254 00:20:06,373 --> 00:20:08,475 Four minutes? Is that okay? It's downstairs. 255 00:20:08,508 --> 00:20:10,543 -Do you know where the coffee machine is? -Yes. 256 00:20:10,577 --> 00:20:12,712 The gyrotron works pretty much like a Coke bottle. 257 00:20:12,745 --> 00:20:15,248 Except instead of blowing across the top of the Coke bottle 258 00:20:15,282 --> 00:20:16,449 and changing the resonance, 259 00:20:16,483 --> 00:20:19,986 uh, it-it-- you-you do a electron beam. 260 00:20:20,019 --> 00:20:23,290 You have basically a little... 261 00:20:23,323 --> 00:20:25,024 filament down here, like in a light bulb. 262 00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:26,359 It heats up, 263 00:20:26,393 --> 00:20:29,296 and this beam of electrons comes up, 264 00:20:29,329 --> 00:20:30,763 and you get a resonance. 265 00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:38,004 So just as you take your Coke bottle, you blow across the top of it, 266 00:20:38,037 --> 00:20:40,873 and the wind is creating a compression wave 267 00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:44,444 and making a resonance, making the sound go up higher, 268 00:20:44,477 --> 00:20:47,280 this thing is passing an electron beam, 269 00:20:47,314 --> 00:20:48,881 and it creates an electromagnetic resonance. 270 00:20:48,915 --> 00:20:52,552 You can almost imagine it like a bunch of little laser beams, 271 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:57,390 that you combine them into a single coherent beam, 272 00:20:57,424 --> 00:20:58,825 which is the gyrotron beam. 273 00:21:00,393 --> 00:21:03,730 And then once this ignites the plasma, 274 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:06,599 the plasma itself heats it and keeps going. 275 00:21:13,072 --> 00:21:14,574 That makes sense, kind of. 276 00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:19,512 Oh, no, doesn't it have to be a glass one? Oh, man! 277 00:21:19,546 --> 00:21:21,481 -Well-- -We lose the analogy. 278 00:21:21,514 --> 00:21:23,015 What do you do with the can? 279 00:21:23,049 --> 00:21:25,385 -No, not a can. -A bottle, a bottle. 280 00:21:25,418 --> 00:21:26,553 Oh, you wanted a bottle? 281 00:21:26,586 --> 00:21:29,389 Yeah, because you can blow across the top of the bottle 282 00:21:29,422 --> 00:21:30,490 to make it resonate. 283 00:21:30,523 --> 00:21:32,959 And you call yourself a physicist. 284 00:21:32,992 --> 00:21:37,397 [overlapping conversation] 285 00:21:42,369 --> 00:21:45,938 [Ken Blackler] The greatest challenge is to align these huge pieces 286 00:21:45,972 --> 00:21:49,509 to the millimeter tolerance, to the accuracy that we need. 287 00:21:49,542 --> 00:21:50,610 It's really the magnets, 288 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:53,346 the-the-- what we call the toroidal field magnets. 289 00:21:54,581 --> 00:21:57,417 These magnets make the main magnetic field of ITER. 290 00:21:57,450 --> 00:21:59,686 They're the things that hold this magnetic bottle, 291 00:21:59,719 --> 00:22:01,888 hold the plasma inside the machine, 292 00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:02,989 and keep it away from the walls. 293 00:22:03,022 --> 00:22:06,092 And the accuracy that we can install these magnets 294 00:22:06,125 --> 00:22:08,928 really is how smooth the plasma will be 295 00:22:08,961 --> 00:22:10,363 and therefore how well it performs. 296 00:22:10,397 --> 00:22:12,399 So the better we do and the closer we get 297 00:22:12,432 --> 00:22:14,967 to the required position for these magnets 298 00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:16,836 will really affect, for decades, 299 00:22:16,869 --> 00:22:18,137 the future performance of ITER. 300 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:19,639 So that's a great challenge for us. 301 00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:42,795 [speaking English] 302 00:23:20,867 --> 00:23:22,969 [machine whirring] 303 00:23:24,537 --> 00:23:26,906 [speaking Italian] 304 00:23:30,176 --> 00:23:31,811 [speaking Italian] 305 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:54,000 Well, you need some area, of course, to absorb... 306 00:23:54,033 --> 00:23:55,968 -Yeah, yeah. -the excess material. 307 00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:59,706 [chuckles] 308 00:24:04,911 --> 00:24:07,547 [indistinct chatter] 309 00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:27,099 For sure. 310 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:28,835 You cannot avoid that. 311 00:24:35,207 --> 00:24:37,810 I'm curing them. I'm curing with my hand. 312 00:24:37,844 --> 00:24:39,879 Ahhh! 313 00:24:42,815 --> 00:24:43,750 [speaking Italian] 314 00:24:43,783 --> 00:24:46,285 It is not a work for emotionally weak people, 315 00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:48,287 because you need to be very strong and confident 316 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,223 because otherwise... you will never do anything. 317 00:24:51,257 --> 00:24:52,959 You'll just be so scared. 318 00:25:00,733 --> 00:25:03,570 [Sabina Griffith] Although ITER is called 319 00:25:03,603 --> 00:25:05,738 the largest scientific enterprise, 320 00:25:05,772 --> 00:25:09,008 international collaboration on Earth at the moment, 321 00:25:09,041 --> 00:25:10,209 nobody knows about us. 322 00:25:10,242 --> 00:25:12,745 ITER is, um... 323 00:25:12,779 --> 00:25:14,213 is working with public money, 324 00:25:14,246 --> 00:25:17,617 so the whole project is jointly funded 325 00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:19,619 by all these nations under the ITER roof, 326 00:25:19,652 --> 00:25:22,722 and so, in fact it's the taxpayer 327 00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:24,256 who pays for what we do, right? 328 00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:27,059 So this is not a private organization 329 00:25:27,093 --> 00:25:28,294 or a private enterprise. 330 00:25:28,327 --> 00:25:31,564 This is one of our top benchmarks, 331 00:25:31,598 --> 00:25:33,766 that we develop this project 332 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,837 and this fusion reactor for the benefit of everything. 333 00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:41,173 And we want everybody to share and to join in 334 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:43,309 and to be proud of this, right? 335 00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:49,716 So transparency and having an open-door policy 336 00:25:49,749 --> 00:25:53,119 is one of our top priorities in ITER communications. 337 00:25:55,187 --> 00:25:57,624 [Henderson] A lot of people talk about a magnetic model, 338 00:25:57,657 --> 00:25:59,726 and I don't feel there's a good understanding 339 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:01,794 of how the magnetic field ties 340 00:26:01,828 --> 00:26:04,030 -with this idea of trapping a particle. -Mm-hmm. 341 00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:06,032 And then I want to go into the challenge of ITER. 342 00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:09,068 The question is, well, how come we're taking a long time? 343 00:26:09,101 --> 00:26:10,870 They made a study back in 1976 344 00:26:10,903 --> 00:26:13,740 that showed that depending upon how you fund fusion, 345 00:26:13,773 --> 00:26:16,375 you can either get a fusion device 346 00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:19,178 generating electricity somewhere in the 1990s 347 00:26:19,211 --> 00:26:22,982 out to 2006 all depending upon how much money you put in 348 00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:24,651 as a functional time. 349 00:26:24,684 --> 00:26:26,619 And then I'm going to overlay this 350 00:26:26,653 --> 00:26:29,255 as what the US has actually been funding. 351 00:26:29,288 --> 00:26:30,690 And the funding has gone up. 352 00:26:30,723 --> 00:26:32,859 It peaked around 1978 353 00:26:32,892 --> 00:26:36,963 and then has dropped well below, based on today's dollars. 354 00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:39,165 It's very understandable, very honest, 355 00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:42,969 but I won't do this because we have the US here on Monday, 356 00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:44,971 uh, physically, and... [clears throat] 357 00:26:45,004 --> 00:26:46,038 it's a very touchy thing in the US. 358 00:26:46,072 --> 00:26:49,241 Because here you're picking out the US from the-- 359 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:50,309 We have to be careful we don't, 360 00:26:50,342 --> 00:26:53,379 in official presentation, want to criticize, right? 361 00:26:53,412 --> 00:26:56,816 We can say it's difficult. Right? 362 00:26:56,849 --> 00:27:00,319 Because, um, in the 70s, the funding was wow. 363 00:27:00,352 --> 00:27:02,722 Everybody wanted fusion to happen now. 364 00:27:02,755 --> 00:27:04,991 -Then everything dropped again. Right? -Poof! Yeah. 365 00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:07,359 We survived. We managed to survive, and we're here now 366 00:27:07,393 --> 00:27:10,029 building the world's largest fusion device. 367 00:27:10,062 --> 00:27:12,765 But it's hard, and it only happens, 368 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,268 and we say we can deliver, uh, 369 00:27:16,302 --> 00:27:18,838 around the mid of the century... 370 00:27:18,871 --> 00:27:21,874 provided that we have somebody sort of... 371 00:27:21,908 --> 00:27:24,110 -Funding us in the back. -... funding us in the back. Right? 372 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,178 [brass band music playing] 373 00:27:48,134 --> 00:27:51,103 [Henderson] And so to me, before we basically die 374 00:27:51,137 --> 00:27:53,973 in our excrement like yeast molecules, 375 00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:57,076 we need to realize that we need another energy source. 376 00:27:57,109 --> 00:27:59,445 We need to be-- It may not be for our generation. 377 00:27:59,478 --> 00:28:01,914 I mean, the good news is we're, we're okay. 378 00:28:01,948 --> 00:28:04,383 But it's the next generation or the generation after that 379 00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:05,517 or the generation after that. 380 00:28:05,551 --> 00:28:08,454 Yeah, I'm actually surprised how low the funding is. 381 00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:11,791 Would you be able to have, er... 382 00:28:11,824 --> 00:28:15,728 better progress, faster progress if you had better funding? 383 00:28:15,762 --> 00:28:17,797 I think so. There was a study made in one country-- 384 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:19,398 I'm not gonna name the country-- 385 00:28:19,431 --> 00:28:20,900 back in the 70s. 386 00:28:20,933 --> 00:28:24,737 And they said if you keep the level of the order 387 00:28:24,771 --> 00:28:26,338 of, let's say, I think it was about 388 00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:29,008 800 million euros per year, 389 00:28:29,041 --> 00:28:33,179 you would be able to achieve an ITER-like machine, 390 00:28:33,212 --> 00:28:35,214 uh, within about 20 years. 391 00:28:35,247 --> 00:28:37,884 Then if you drop it down to about 500 million, 392 00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:40,486 it would be extended out to about 30 years. 393 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,488 And there is a point of no return, 394 00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:46,192 where basically if you invested 300 million euros 395 00:28:46,225 --> 00:28:47,159 on a year-to-year basis, 396 00:28:47,193 --> 00:28:50,096 you would actually-- it would take infinity 397 00:28:50,129 --> 00:28:51,397 to achieve a reactor. 398 00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:55,134 Because there you had to keep the supporting technology base, 399 00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:57,169 the administrative funds. 400 00:28:57,203 --> 00:29:01,140 If you go below 300 million, you'll never get fusion. 401 00:29:01,173 --> 00:29:02,508 Well... 402 00:29:02,541 --> 00:29:04,043 that country has never invested 403 00:29:04,076 --> 00:29:06,078 more than something like 200 million euros. 404 00:29:06,112 --> 00:29:09,015 The more money you put into it, the faster the return. 405 00:29:09,048 --> 00:29:11,550 And-And we really have been putting in peanuts. 406 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:15,922 [Mark Uhran] I don't think there's a broad public acceptance 407 00:29:15,955 --> 00:29:19,558 of hydrogen fusion in the United States at this stage. 408 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:24,330 Uh, people back in the US still in general 409 00:29:24,363 --> 00:29:25,865 don't understand the differences 410 00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,400 between uranium fission, 411 00:29:28,434 --> 00:29:32,338 which is the process that's been used in nuclear power plants 412 00:29:32,371 --> 00:29:34,240 for over 40 years now, 413 00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,275 and hydrogen fusion, 414 00:29:36,308 --> 00:29:39,311 uh, which is believe is the process of the future. 415 00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:43,015 You have to keep in mind a couple of things, you know. 416 00:29:43,049 --> 00:29:46,552 First, this is one of the grand challenges of engineering. 417 00:29:46,585 --> 00:29:51,023 And solving a grand challenge on a fixed price 418 00:29:51,057 --> 00:29:54,326 is, is a challenge in and of itself. 419 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,262 Now, by the same token, 420 00:29:56,295 --> 00:30:00,867 you have to be very cost and schedule conscience-- conscious, 421 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,003 because the sponsors of this project have to, 422 00:30:04,036 --> 00:30:06,572 you know, continue to maintain their sponsorship 423 00:30:06,605 --> 00:30:08,908 and believe strongly 424 00:30:08,941 --> 00:30:11,043 that the cost is worth the investment. 425 00:30:15,414 --> 00:30:18,550 [Eric Lerner] I actually got interested in fusion as a child. 426 00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:22,021 Uh, my mom, when I was eight, 427 00:30:22,054 --> 00:30:24,590 got me what I think was my first science book, 428 00:30:24,623 --> 00:30:26,558 which was about the sun. 429 00:30:26,592 --> 00:30:29,328 And I still remember vividly this illustration 430 00:30:29,361 --> 00:30:34,200 of this hundreds of millions of miles long coal train 431 00:30:34,233 --> 00:30:38,871 delivering all the coal that equaled the energy 432 00:30:38,905 --> 00:30:42,474 that the sun's fusion created in a single second. 433 00:30:42,508 --> 00:30:44,877 By the time I graduated, 434 00:30:44,911 --> 00:30:47,079 I actually didn't intend to go into fusion 435 00:30:47,113 --> 00:30:52,218 because this was the high point of the enthusiasm 436 00:30:52,251 --> 00:30:54,020 about the tokamak device, 437 00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:58,157 which is still the most funded device in fusion. 438 00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:00,927 And I thought, "Well, I guess this is solved," 439 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,062 and I got interested instead 440 00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:05,164 in astrophysics and other things. 441 00:31:06,232 --> 00:31:08,634 But, um... 442 00:31:08,667 --> 00:31:10,937 pretty soon it became clear, nope, 443 00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:12,404 it wasn't solved. 444 00:31:17,009 --> 00:31:20,412 The first error that was made by the government programs 445 00:31:20,446 --> 00:31:22,614 back in the 1970s 446 00:31:22,648 --> 00:31:26,585 was to put all their eggs in the tokamak basket. 447 00:31:26,618 --> 00:31:29,321 Now, 40 years later, 448 00:31:29,355 --> 00:31:34,093 people would have to say, objectively we do not know 449 00:31:34,126 --> 00:31:39,098 which route will lead to practical fusion, 450 00:31:39,131 --> 00:31:41,934 and we certainly don't know which route will lead 451 00:31:41,968 --> 00:31:44,270 to the most economical fusion. 452 00:31:44,303 --> 00:31:49,375 What you have to do is take a crash program approach, 453 00:31:49,408 --> 00:31:51,043 a broad-based approach 454 00:31:51,077 --> 00:31:54,180 in which, if there are 20 good ideas out there-- 455 00:31:54,213 --> 00:31:56,615 and by good ideas, I don't mean ideas 456 00:31:56,648 --> 00:31:58,717 that I think will work. 457 00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:02,454 I mean ideas that I can't prove won't work. 458 00:32:02,488 --> 00:32:06,392 This is an important vital question for humanity: 459 00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:10,229 What is an energy source that can replace fossil fuels, 460 00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:14,666 that can be safe, clean, unlimited, 461 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,036 and more economical, 462 00:32:17,069 --> 00:32:19,338 cheaper than anything we have today? 463 00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:25,511 [Laberge] I used to live on Bowen Island, 464 00:32:25,544 --> 00:32:26,712 so the commute was great. 465 00:32:26,745 --> 00:32:28,214 So I could get on my bike 466 00:32:28,247 --> 00:32:30,349 and it was, like, a 10 minute bike to the garage. 467 00:32:32,551 --> 00:32:35,521 The part will arrive, and I would assemble all the parts, 468 00:32:35,554 --> 00:32:38,090 and I will actually do all the experiments myself. 469 00:32:38,124 --> 00:32:40,726 There is only one guy here. It's a one-guy show. 470 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,195 So that was actually quite fun. I enjoyed that. 471 00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:46,098 And then I would build this machinery, 472 00:32:46,132 --> 00:32:49,068 and then I will fire it up, and then I would get bad result, 473 00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:50,202 which is most of the time you get that. 474 00:32:50,236 --> 00:32:52,604 And then I will tweak it and adjust with a little click 475 00:32:52,638 --> 00:32:53,939 and some transfer somewhere. 476 00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:56,742 And then I started to get some neutron coming out of this thing. 477 00:32:56,775 --> 00:32:59,245 So I was very excited about my neutrons. 478 00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:02,281 Then, eventually, I went out 479 00:33:02,314 --> 00:33:04,250 and tried to raise more money with that thing. 480 00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:11,190 The company got bigger and more successful, 481 00:33:11,223 --> 00:33:13,992 but the fun went downhill since then. 482 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:30,576 Now, after my PhD, sadly, I did not manage 483 00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:32,178 to find a job in fusion. 484 00:33:32,211 --> 00:33:35,281 So I got a job at a local company doing laser printer, 485 00:33:35,314 --> 00:33:37,116 because I was kind of good with lasers. 486 00:33:37,149 --> 00:33:39,651 Turns out that what I was trying to do 487 00:33:39,685 --> 00:33:43,055 was trying to make printing so cheap that we could cut the forest 488 00:33:43,089 --> 00:33:45,324 and jam you with junk mail, you know. 489 00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:47,126 So that was not very satisfactory. 490 00:33:47,159 --> 00:33:49,695 And I was looking at the energy situation on the planet, 491 00:33:49,728 --> 00:33:50,996 and it was pretty bad. 492 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:54,133 I think we're going 100 miles an hour towards a brick wall, 493 00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:56,335 and nobody seems to be paying much attention, you know. 494 00:33:56,368 --> 00:33:59,405 And it was actually on my birthday, the 40-years-old birthday, 495 00:33:59,438 --> 00:34:02,174 and I decided I had a terrible midlife crisis, 496 00:34:02,208 --> 00:34:04,310 and I say, okay, I-I-I will change. 497 00:34:04,343 --> 00:34:07,446 I will not do this job anymore, and I will do fusion. 498 00:34:07,479 --> 00:34:10,382 In the center of the machine, there's a big sphere 499 00:34:10,416 --> 00:34:12,418 and in that sphere, there is liquid metal. 500 00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:14,653 Now the liquid metal is pumped by some pumps 501 00:34:14,686 --> 00:34:16,088 in those pipes over there, 502 00:34:16,122 --> 00:34:17,256 and it's made up to swirl. 503 00:34:17,289 --> 00:34:20,526 So the-the liquid is injected near the edge like this, 504 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:21,693 and it swirls around. 505 00:34:21,727 --> 00:34:23,795 And because it swirls around, it appear in the center, 506 00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:26,465 like a centrifugal force keep the liquid out 507 00:34:26,498 --> 00:34:29,201 and near the center-- up near the center of the thing. 508 00:34:29,235 --> 00:34:31,737 So we fire those 14 pistons all at the same time, 509 00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:33,172 and they're quite well-synchronized. 510 00:34:33,205 --> 00:34:37,109 It's gonna go clonk, clonk, clonk! 511 00:34:37,143 --> 00:34:39,711 And then the acoustic waves squash the liquid, 512 00:34:39,745 --> 00:34:42,281 and it collapse the vortex over the plasma. 513 00:34:42,314 --> 00:34:44,583 And the plasma, when you compress it, will get hotter. 514 00:34:44,616 --> 00:34:47,719 And hopefully we will hit 150 million degrees C, 515 00:34:47,753 --> 00:34:48,887 which is the temperature required 516 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,722 to make the nucleus to fuse. 517 00:34:50,756 --> 00:34:52,391 It's piston, and it's rings. 518 00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:55,527 It's, uh, it's metal and pipes. It's plumbing. 519 00:34:55,561 --> 00:34:58,264 Turning that into a power plant will actually be 520 00:34:58,297 --> 00:35:00,466 not that complicated. 521 00:35:00,499 --> 00:35:02,534 I have, I have a saying here at General Fusion 522 00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:05,871 I told all my engineer, "If you can't find it at Home Depot, 523 00:35:05,904 --> 00:35:07,739 it doesn't go in the machine." 524 00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:09,608 So the tokamak and the laser fusion have 525 00:35:09,641 --> 00:35:11,477 more chance of working than what we do here, 526 00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:14,580 because the physics of compressing the plasma 527 00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:16,348 with a magnetic field is new. 528 00:35:16,382 --> 00:35:18,817 However, their chance of turning out a power plant 529 00:35:18,850 --> 00:35:20,886 that's cost effective is low, 530 00:35:20,919 --> 00:35:23,555 because their machine is so complicated. 531 00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:26,225 I-I'm quite confident that we can make this work, 532 00:35:26,258 --> 00:35:27,659 and I'm a little concerned 533 00:35:27,693 --> 00:35:30,662 that we might run out of money before we make it work. 534 00:36:13,372 --> 00:36:14,773 [Janeschitz] We have everywhere problems. 535 00:36:14,806 --> 00:36:17,909 We have had problems in the TF coils, 536 00:36:17,943 --> 00:36:19,878 uh, and it was solved. 537 00:36:19,911 --> 00:36:22,448 Uh, we-we could go into the envelope 538 00:36:22,481 --> 00:36:24,683 with the help of Japan, Europe, and so on. 539 00:36:24,716 --> 00:36:27,219 So, many things we could bring 540 00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:29,288 into a reasonable envelope of schedule, 541 00:36:29,321 --> 00:36:31,257 but we cannot make miracles. 542 00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:34,293 Time lost is lost. I cannot recover. 543 00:36:34,326 --> 00:36:36,428 It can only be better from now on. 544 00:36:36,462 --> 00:36:38,630 [man] The problem that I don't understand is 545 00:36:38,664 --> 00:36:40,832 how are you gonna get there 10 years from now? 546 00:36:40,866 --> 00:36:42,401 'Cause we heard this morning 547 00:36:42,434 --> 00:36:44,470 there's a problem with the vacuum vessel, 548 00:36:44,503 --> 00:36:47,005 tooling issues, all kind of things. 549 00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:50,542 I don't see what the plan is. 550 00:36:50,576 --> 00:36:53,245 But I thought you have a much better plan, 551 00:36:53,279 --> 00:36:55,447 uh, when it comes to the technologies, 552 00:36:55,481 --> 00:36:57,449 engineering the solutions. 553 00:36:58,350 --> 00:37:00,018 Whatever that is, I mean, convince us 554 00:37:00,051 --> 00:37:02,521 that I think we can get there within 10 years. 555 00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:04,956 This morning when I asked the DG, 556 00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:08,294 what was the failure of this whole problem was, 557 00:37:08,327 --> 00:37:09,861 and wasting 10 years, 558 00:37:09,895 --> 00:37:11,397 he said he was a manager. 559 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:12,931 Right? 560 00:37:12,964 --> 00:37:15,301 Is there any change? Doing anything? 561 00:38:17,429 --> 00:38:19,565 [woman] There's a lot depending on ITER, right? 562 00:38:19,598 --> 00:38:24,603 So the whole fusion research going on all around the world, 563 00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:27,939 whether it's in China, in Europe, in the US, 564 00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:29,341 they all depend on ITER. 565 00:38:29,375 --> 00:38:31,643 So if ITER is closed down, 566 00:38:31,677 --> 00:38:34,346 a lot of people will not only lose their jobs, 567 00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:38,617 but, um, fusion will be dead 568 00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:40,686 forever or at least for a very, very long time. 569 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,655 Nobody will ever bet on fusion for a long time. 570 00:39:02,941 --> 00:39:06,745 So this is our facility where-- 571 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:13,351 you know, storage facility, which is actually quite cheap. 572 00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:15,721 The key thing is, 573 00:39:15,754 --> 00:39:18,457 more money has to go into fusion research. 574 00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:21,159 It has to go for many other devices, 575 00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:23,562 obviously including our own. 576 00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:31,169 We and our neighbors are shielded against the neutrons 577 00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:33,472 by three feet of concrete. 578 00:39:33,505 --> 00:39:36,942 It's also shielded by this copper mesh 579 00:39:36,975 --> 00:39:39,978 that radio waves can't get through. 580 00:39:40,011 --> 00:39:43,682 Now, the main bang trigger is basically a big switch. 581 00:39:43,715 --> 00:39:47,886 When we're at full power, all 12 will be hooked up. 582 00:39:47,919 --> 00:39:51,523 These instruments are actually our thermometer. 583 00:39:51,557 --> 00:39:53,825 If you wonder how can you measure 584 00:39:53,859 --> 00:39:57,496 one or two billion degrees, this is it. 585 00:39:57,529 --> 00:40:00,499 Maybe there's some way you could tape this so that 586 00:40:00,532 --> 00:40:02,668 -it's out of the line of sight. -Okay. 587 00:40:02,701 --> 00:40:06,605 Even though we're a very tiny group, 588 00:40:06,638 --> 00:40:09,541 science is a collaborative effort, 589 00:40:09,575 --> 00:40:13,078 and we're collaborating through the scientific literature 590 00:40:13,111 --> 00:40:14,913 with people all around the world. 591 00:40:18,149 --> 00:40:20,151 -Hey! -Oh, sorry. 592 00:40:20,185 --> 00:40:22,821 -You're on camera. -[laughing] 593 00:40:22,854 --> 00:40:25,023 This is an important member of the team. 594 00:40:25,056 --> 00:40:27,859 This is Tom, who's the landlord here. 595 00:40:27,893 --> 00:40:29,427 Hey, guys. 596 00:40:30,762 --> 00:40:33,131 [Lerner] People ask, "How can you succeed 597 00:40:33,164 --> 00:40:35,801 with so few resources?" 598 00:40:35,834 --> 00:40:38,637 You know, are you saying you're a thousand times smarter? 599 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:39,805 No. 600 00:40:39,838 --> 00:40:42,040 We're saying we've got an easier route. 601 00:40:43,709 --> 00:40:44,976 A plasma, 602 00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:48,480 which is what most of the universe consists of, 603 00:40:48,514 --> 00:40:51,216 is electrically conducting matter, 604 00:40:51,249 --> 00:40:54,853 matter in which the electrons are stripped away 605 00:40:54,886 --> 00:40:57,823 from the atoms and can freely move about. 606 00:40:57,856 --> 00:41:00,826 What we today call the "pinch effect" 607 00:41:00,859 --> 00:41:06,131 forms instabilities within the plasma, 608 00:41:06,164 --> 00:41:07,799 basically pinching the plasma 609 00:41:07,833 --> 00:41:11,236 into a lot of filamentary structures. 610 00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:17,843 The conventional attitude towards the instabilities 611 00:41:17,876 --> 00:41:19,044 is to suppress them. 612 00:41:19,077 --> 00:41:23,481 As we put it, to make the plasma sit still like a good dog. 613 00:41:24,783 --> 00:41:26,985 The problem with that is the plasma doesn't want 614 00:41:27,018 --> 00:41:28,053 to sit still. 615 00:41:28,086 --> 00:41:32,123 And trying to confine the plasma for long enough 616 00:41:32,157 --> 00:41:34,793 for the fusion reactions to take place 617 00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:38,129 becomes sort of like confining a can of worms 618 00:41:38,163 --> 00:41:39,698 without the can. 619 00:41:40,732 --> 00:41:44,836 What we do is to imitate nature. 620 00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:50,676 In nature, on a scale of... solar flares, 621 00:41:50,709 --> 00:41:53,745 quasars, entire galaxies, 622 00:41:53,779 --> 00:41:57,849 these filaments organize and structure the universe. 623 00:41:57,883 --> 00:41:59,551 [Lerner] What's your trigger pressure? 624 00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:02,053 It's 12.36. 625 00:42:04,322 --> 00:42:06,625 So when the machine fires, 626 00:42:07,258 --> 00:42:10,028 we get a ion beam 627 00:42:10,061 --> 00:42:12,063 that goes down this drift tube. 628 00:42:13,632 --> 00:42:15,567 Once the machine fires, 629 00:42:15,601 --> 00:42:17,736 then it's the job of all our instruments 630 00:42:17,769 --> 00:42:19,771 to find out what actually happened. 631 00:42:19,805 --> 00:42:21,539 Everybody ready? 632 00:42:22,207 --> 00:42:24,810 Power on. Charging. 633 00:42:26,678 --> 00:42:29,881 So what we do in the plasma focus 634 00:42:29,915 --> 00:42:32,784 is we don't try and fight these instabilities, 635 00:42:32,818 --> 00:42:36,054 we try to use them to compress the plasma 636 00:42:36,087 --> 00:42:37,088 and to confine them. 637 00:42:38,356 --> 00:42:39,825 Twenty... 638 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,729 thirty. 639 00:42:44,362 --> 00:42:46,097 Set. Fire. 640 00:42:48,299 --> 00:42:51,202 That means the device can be much smaller. 641 00:42:51,236 --> 00:42:53,905 The energy can be much more concentrated, 642 00:42:53,939 --> 00:42:56,174 and that makes the device much cheaper. 643 00:42:57,709 --> 00:42:59,711 Now, that was a free fire. 644 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,114 Didn't you hear that? 645 00:43:06,985 --> 00:43:08,887 I just want to make sure it's not self-firing. 646 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,356 There was a slight ticking noise in there 647 00:43:11,389 --> 00:43:12,991 I couldn't identify. 648 00:43:15,193 --> 00:43:16,962 The scope still set? 649 00:43:16,995 --> 00:43:18,596 They're dry. 650 00:43:19,865 --> 00:43:21,132 Power on. 651 00:43:21,166 --> 00:43:24,002 [machine whirring] 652 00:43:24,035 --> 00:43:25,136 Charging. 653 00:43:28,974 --> 00:43:30,208 Ten... 654 00:43:33,144 --> 00:43:34,212 twenty... 655 00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:36,815 thirty. 656 00:43:37,448 --> 00:43:39,217 Set. Fire. 657 00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:40,819 -[ticking] -Nope. 658 00:43:40,852 --> 00:43:45,390 We know of no reason why this is physically impossible. 659 00:43:45,423 --> 00:43:48,860 And more, no one has told us 660 00:43:48,894 --> 00:43:52,397 a reason why they think this is physically impossible. 661 00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:54,900 And this project is a very public project. 662 00:43:54,933 --> 00:43:57,936 We've published in peer-reviewed papers... 663 00:43:59,070 --> 00:44:03,742 that are among the leading journals in our field. 664 00:44:03,775 --> 00:44:05,744 We've gotten a lot of press coverage. 665 00:44:05,777 --> 00:44:09,280 People have a lot of opportunity to take potshots at us. 666 00:44:09,314 --> 00:44:12,417 Some people say this is a long shot, 667 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:14,753 this is way out. 668 00:44:14,786 --> 00:44:18,890 Well, ultimately, they're just expressing their feeling. 669 00:44:18,924 --> 00:44:23,695 I do say that compared with all the other... 670 00:44:25,163 --> 00:44:26,765 private fusion efforts... 671 00:44:26,798 --> 00:44:30,068 our results at present are the best. 672 00:44:32,103 --> 00:44:35,941 So, here-here-- Tom just became our latest shareholder. 673 00:44:36,775 --> 00:44:39,077 -Yeah. -[laughter] 674 00:44:42,981 --> 00:44:44,783 Okay... 675 00:44:56,361 --> 00:45:00,065 [Bernard Bigot] It's my pleasure to welcome all of you. 676 00:45:00,098 --> 00:45:01,800 I introduce myself. 677 00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:05,937 I'm the director-general of the ITER organization. 678 00:45:05,971 --> 00:45:08,807 It is really my honor and pleasure 679 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,879 to address you here today in this role. 680 00:45:13,912 --> 00:45:19,150 This little project as you know is a very promising project, 681 00:45:20,886 --> 00:45:25,023 which now gathers seven large parties. 682 00:45:25,857 --> 00:45:27,525 All of them as you know, 683 00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:30,161 they're representing over 85 percent 684 00:45:30,195 --> 00:45:33,765 of the gross national product in the world, 685 00:45:33,799 --> 00:45:36,001 and all of them are very keen to understand 686 00:45:36,034 --> 00:45:40,505 how they will get their energy supply in the long term. 687 00:45:40,538 --> 00:45:44,175 All of you know that there is renewable energies, 688 00:45:44,209 --> 00:45:48,513 and we are very keen to see these renewable energies 689 00:45:48,546 --> 00:45:50,982 to move on, to progress. 690 00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:55,520 But for the time being, it is clear 691 00:45:55,553 --> 00:45:57,522 that it will not be able 692 00:45:57,555 --> 00:46:00,391 to fulfill the expectations of the world. 693 00:46:00,425 --> 00:46:02,193 -[phone ringing] -Oh, sorry. 694 00:46:03,895 --> 00:46:06,097 I will-- I will say stop. 695 00:46:07,332 --> 00:46:08,766 Hello? 696 00:46:10,101 --> 00:46:12,303 [speaking French] 697 00:46:24,549 --> 00:46:26,017 Sorry. 698 00:46:26,051 --> 00:46:28,286 We are always interconnected, so... 699 00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:33,024 As you know, renewable energy is good for... 700 00:46:33,058 --> 00:46:34,960 [woman] I think we all have great respect 701 00:46:34,993 --> 00:46:36,561 for what he's trying to do here, 702 00:46:36,594 --> 00:46:37,628 what he has to do. 703 00:46:37,662 --> 00:46:40,298 We are all standing behind him, to help him to... 704 00:46:41,532 --> 00:46:43,501 to get the big puzzle together. 705 00:46:43,534 --> 00:46:45,103 It's different, right? 706 00:46:45,136 --> 00:46:48,173 I mean, the first two director-generals were Japanese 707 00:46:48,206 --> 00:46:50,876 and certainly, um, 708 00:46:50,909 --> 00:46:53,344 different cultures have different approaches 709 00:46:53,378 --> 00:46:55,313 to... to work with, 710 00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:56,915 uh, different priorities, 711 00:46:56,948 --> 00:46:59,885 and Mr. Bigot is a European. 712 00:46:59,918 --> 00:47:02,153 So for us Europeans, it's certainly easier, 713 00:47:02,187 --> 00:47:04,055 right, to understand what he wants. 714 00:47:04,089 --> 00:47:07,425 But if it is possible to demonstrate 715 00:47:07,458 --> 00:47:10,028 and it will work for, okay, 716 00:47:10,061 --> 00:47:12,030 thousand and thousand of euros, 717 00:47:12,063 --> 00:47:13,965 I'm ready to wait for 20 years. 718 00:47:13,999 --> 00:47:15,433 -Is not my problem. -[chuckles] 719 00:47:16,434 --> 00:47:19,004 [speaking French] 720 00:47:19,037 --> 00:47:21,039 No, no, no, you know, the sun is not obsolete 721 00:47:21,072 --> 00:47:22,607 even after five billion of years. 722 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,411 [speaking French] 723 00:48:00,645 --> 00:48:02,480 [Charles Seife] Well, I think there is something 724 00:48:02,513 --> 00:48:03,982 inherently difficult about fusion. 725 00:48:04,015 --> 00:48:06,384 That it is, uh, an attempt to harness 726 00:48:06,417 --> 00:48:09,487 some of the most difficult- to-harness forces in nature. 727 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,222 You have to get something 728 00:48:11,256 --> 00:48:14,125 at tens or hundreds of millions of degrees Kelvin 729 00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,928 into a tight package, and nature resists that. 730 00:48:16,962 --> 00:48:18,596 So tha-that is inherently hard. 731 00:48:18,629 --> 00:48:21,399 But on top of that, um... 732 00:48:22,567 --> 00:48:24,669 there seem to be political pressures 733 00:48:24,702 --> 00:48:28,006 trying to blow apart any large project. 734 00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:31,042 That once you have to gather many, many people 735 00:48:31,076 --> 00:48:35,947 from different countries to combine resources, 736 00:48:35,981 --> 00:48:38,416 especially over decades and decades, 737 00:48:38,449 --> 00:48:42,620 the different political wills, the different goals, 738 00:48:42,653 --> 00:48:45,023 uh, all clash with each other 739 00:48:45,056 --> 00:48:47,592 and eventually you wind up with infighting, 740 00:48:47,625 --> 00:48:49,260 with cost overruns, 741 00:48:49,294 --> 00:48:52,297 and things begin to fall apart after several years. 742 00:48:52,330 --> 00:48:54,966 And this is what we saw with ITER round one, 743 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,701 and the same thing seems to be happening again, 744 00:48:56,734 --> 00:48:58,403 uh, with round two. 745 00:49:09,414 --> 00:49:11,582 [Laban Coblentz] I am often asked the question, 746 00:49:11,616 --> 00:49:13,618 how do you maintain a sense of urgency 747 00:49:13,651 --> 00:49:16,421 on a project that takes 20 years or more? 748 00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:21,192 Yeah? And so the answer is that globally-- 749 00:49:21,226 --> 00:49:23,194 'Cause for this crowd, the Apollo Project 750 00:49:23,228 --> 00:49:25,196 is what they always think about as the-- 751 00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:29,000 that if we think about how short for most of us 752 00:49:29,034 --> 00:49:31,136 20 years ago really seems and all that has happened-- 753 00:49:31,169 --> 00:49:34,172 The Secretary of Energy was asked specifically 754 00:49:34,205 --> 00:49:37,208 to make a recommendation by the second of May this year 755 00:49:37,242 --> 00:49:39,377 on that topic, a progress report on ITER, 756 00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:41,779 and should the US stay in or should they not. 757 00:49:41,812 --> 00:49:45,383 Yeah, I think that it's quite clear 758 00:49:45,416 --> 00:49:48,253 that, uh, things are moving in a positive direction, 759 00:49:48,286 --> 00:49:51,722 but we were digging out of a fairly significant hole, 760 00:49:51,756 --> 00:49:54,459 and so progress was really necessary. 761 00:49:54,492 --> 00:49:57,295 It's up to the American Congress to make the decision, 762 00:49:57,328 --> 00:50:00,598 you know, if the project will deliver. 763 00:50:11,509 --> 00:50:14,579 [man] Sub-Committee on Energy will come to order. 764 00:50:14,612 --> 00:50:18,049 And we wanna welcome you to today's hearing entitled, 765 00:50:18,083 --> 00:50:21,119 "An Overview of Fusion Energy Science." 766 00:50:21,152 --> 00:50:23,354 Is it ee-ter or eye-ter? 767 00:50:23,388 --> 00:50:25,290 -[man] Ee-ter. -Ee-ter. Hmm. Okay. 768 00:50:25,323 --> 00:50:27,792 Tokamak. I keep wanting to say "Tomahawk," 769 00:50:27,825 --> 00:50:29,394 -and I know that's... -[laughter] 770 00:50:29,427 --> 00:50:30,761 that's not right. 771 00:50:30,795 --> 00:50:34,432 With the complexity of a multi-national collaboration like ITER, 772 00:50:34,465 --> 00:50:38,569 this project has faced more challenges than most. 773 00:50:38,603 --> 00:50:41,072 Fortunately, today, we have the opportunity to hear 774 00:50:41,106 --> 00:50:43,341 from the director-general of the ITER project directly, 775 00:50:43,374 --> 00:50:46,344 Dr. Bernard-- Is it Bee-go? 776 00:50:46,377 --> 00:50:49,247 Uh, I do believe if we have the proper management, 777 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,816 we will be able to deliver on time. 778 00:50:51,849 --> 00:50:53,684 We have spent how much money 779 00:50:53,718 --> 00:50:55,486 over the last ten years, the United States? 780 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,688 When the US signed up for the project, 781 00:50:57,722 --> 00:50:59,357 you know, the representation was made 782 00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:01,192 that this project was ready to go 783 00:51:01,226 --> 00:51:02,760 to an extent that, in retrospect, 784 00:51:02,793 --> 00:51:03,928 probably wasn't the case. 785 00:51:03,961 --> 00:51:08,566 When you think about what we spent on imported oil alone-- 786 00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:12,303 I just want to understand the dimensions of the cliff 787 00:51:12,337 --> 00:51:14,805 that we're playing near when we talk about the US pulling out. 788 00:51:14,839 --> 00:51:19,177 If you're gonna have to lay odds on, on all the engineering 789 00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:21,479 and all these things coming together, 790 00:51:21,512 --> 00:51:24,215 uh... what are your odds? 791 00:51:24,249 --> 00:51:27,718 I do believe this project could be so beneficial 792 00:51:27,752 --> 00:51:30,755 to the world, that it is really worth 793 00:51:30,788 --> 00:51:32,723 to try and to demonstrate. 794 00:51:32,757 --> 00:51:34,592 -And again-- -Let me mention this. 795 00:51:34,625 --> 00:51:38,163 There are a lot of wonderful things we can do in this world. 796 00:51:38,196 --> 00:51:40,531 -[Bigot] I know. -Wonderful things. 797 00:51:40,565 --> 00:51:41,866 -And-- -Including ITER. 798 00:51:41,899 --> 00:51:44,602 Yeah, um, okay. And ITER may be one of them, 799 00:51:44,635 --> 00:51:48,606 but what we do is we judge each one based on the cost 800 00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:51,609 and the chances of success. 801 00:51:51,642 --> 00:51:55,246 Because, in theory, it's such a beautiful and simple idea. 802 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,382 Yet, throughout, people have found 803 00:51:57,415 --> 00:52:00,618 as soon as they get around the next corner, 804 00:52:00,651 --> 00:52:02,753 there is yet another hurdle. 805 00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:05,690 Um, and nature seems to have this way 806 00:52:05,723 --> 00:52:07,658 of throwing up, um, 807 00:52:07,692 --> 00:52:11,229 blockade after blockade after blockade that makes 808 00:52:11,262 --> 00:52:14,632 scientists' optimism, uh, look naive. 809 00:52:16,567 --> 00:52:19,437 My favorite fusion conman, 810 00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:22,440 uh, was Richter from Argentina. 811 00:52:25,776 --> 00:52:28,479 He was a German or Austrian expat-- 812 00:52:28,513 --> 00:52:30,915 We actually know very little about him-- 813 00:52:30,948 --> 00:52:33,951 who moved to Argentina 814 00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:36,321 and managed to convince Juan Peron 815 00:52:36,354 --> 00:52:37,822 that he had figured out a method 816 00:52:37,855 --> 00:52:40,791 of, uh, harnessing the sun 817 00:52:40,825 --> 00:52:42,427 and called it thermotron. 818 00:52:43,728 --> 00:52:46,631 And so they built this secret lab on an island. 819 00:52:47,565 --> 00:52:52,303 And this crazy expat was running around 820 00:52:52,337 --> 00:52:53,938 pouring gunpowder in experiments, 821 00:52:53,971 --> 00:52:55,840 blowing doors off his lab, 822 00:52:55,873 --> 00:52:58,309 writing fusion on ticker tapes everywhere, 823 00:52:58,343 --> 00:53:01,546 convincing everyone for a matter of months and years 824 00:53:01,579 --> 00:53:04,782 that he has solved the world's energy problems. 825 00:53:17,928 --> 00:53:20,798 Until he was finally found out as a fraud and wound up in jail. 826 00:53:20,831 --> 00:53:22,500 [cell door clanking] 827 00:53:25,336 --> 00:53:28,005 One of the things that's interesting about his story 828 00:53:28,038 --> 00:53:31,476 is that the physicists 829 00:53:31,509 --> 00:53:34,779 who first thought about magnetic fusion 830 00:53:34,812 --> 00:53:35,980 were inspired by his story. 831 00:53:36,013 --> 00:53:40,818 They saw a front page New York Times claim 832 00:53:40,851 --> 00:53:43,888 about fusion energy in Argentina, 833 00:53:43,921 --> 00:53:45,590 and the scientists here were thinking, 834 00:53:45,623 --> 00:53:47,358 how could that be done? 835 00:53:55,633 --> 00:53:58,336 [Lyman Spitzer] My wife and I were planning to leave for Aspen, 836 00:53:58,369 --> 00:53:59,637 and my father, he said, 837 00:53:59,670 --> 00:54:02,507 "Well, I understand the Argentines have, uh, 838 00:54:02,540 --> 00:54:05,376 have gotten ahead of you in the fusion program." 839 00:54:05,410 --> 00:54:08,513 He'd seen the New York Times article 840 00:54:08,546 --> 00:54:12,317 that a fellow named Richter had released fusion 841 00:54:12,350 --> 00:54:14,018 in a controlled manner in Argentina, 842 00:54:14,051 --> 00:54:16,421 and Peron made quite a thing of it. 843 00:54:16,454 --> 00:54:17,955 I read the New York Times article. 844 00:54:17,988 --> 00:54:21,392 Then we got on a train down to Aspen. 845 00:54:32,002 --> 00:54:35,673 It was during the intervals out there, when we weren't skiing, 846 00:54:35,706 --> 00:54:37,475 I was thinking about this. 847 00:54:37,508 --> 00:54:41,379 How would one do it if one were trying to? 848 00:54:41,412 --> 00:54:44,482 I worked out some of the general ideas 849 00:54:44,515 --> 00:54:48,786 that I later developed into the stellarator. 850 00:54:50,388 --> 00:54:53,023 [man] So Spitzer came up with this cool device 851 00:54:53,057 --> 00:54:54,559 called the stellarator. 852 00:54:54,592 --> 00:54:57,061 Stellarators are a complicated machine, 853 00:54:57,094 --> 00:54:59,730 and they have worse confinement in general. 854 00:54:59,764 --> 00:55:02,733 But there's no such thing as disruption in a stellarator. 855 00:55:02,767 --> 00:55:05,736 And so stellarators for the past decade 856 00:55:05,770 --> 00:55:07,538 have just been more and more complicated. 857 00:55:07,572 --> 00:55:10,007 They look like squid fighting each other at this point. 858 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,811 You can specify what magnetic field configuration you want. 859 00:55:13,844 --> 00:55:16,814 So then you give the computer the job of iterating 860 00:55:16,847 --> 00:55:18,516 through a bunch of possible different coils 861 00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:21,352 until it gets to the right magnetic field configuration. 862 00:55:21,386 --> 00:55:23,821 And you end up with something weird, like this. 863 00:55:23,854 --> 00:55:25,189 It's cool, right? 864 00:55:25,222 --> 00:55:28,426 All right, any other questions before we move on to the tokamak? 865 00:55:29,494 --> 00:55:30,895 Okay, let's bust a move. 866 00:55:53,484 --> 00:55:56,020 So W7-X is a really cool experiment. 867 00:55:56,053 --> 00:55:58,022 It's a stellarator which has 868 00:55:58,055 --> 00:55:59,624 a lot of advantages over a tokamak. 869 00:55:59,657 --> 00:56:01,659 The biggest advantage is that it can just run. 870 00:56:01,692 --> 00:56:05,730 It just-- You know, for hours hopefully. 871 00:56:05,763 --> 00:56:08,599 And once you can do that, you can build a power plant. 872 00:56:08,633 --> 00:56:11,736 Um, and so tokamaks right now have a problem 873 00:56:11,769 --> 00:56:14,071 where they just, they can't run continuously, 874 00:56:14,104 --> 00:56:16,040 but this experiment is designed to show that 875 00:56:16,073 --> 00:56:17,174 it can be done continuously 876 00:56:17,207 --> 00:56:20,878 at parameters that are good enough for fusion, so... 877 00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:23,180 I came here, and I came to know about stellarators 878 00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:25,149 and somewhere along the line, I switched 879 00:56:25,182 --> 00:56:28,786 from believing in tokamaks to more in stellarators, 880 00:56:28,819 --> 00:56:30,087 and I thought, yeah, 881 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,989 maybe this is the future of energy and fusion. 882 00:56:35,092 --> 00:56:38,162 [Sibylle Guenter] This project would not have been possible 883 00:56:38,195 --> 00:56:39,897 without the reunion of Germany. 884 00:56:39,930 --> 00:56:44,034 It is co-financed by Europe to a big extent. 885 00:56:44,068 --> 00:56:47,204 But still the project team is in our hands. 886 00:56:47,237 --> 00:56:50,508 We had to take care that we have young people 887 00:56:50,541 --> 00:56:53,077 being able to do physics now with the new machine 888 00:56:53,110 --> 00:56:56,581 and really to make this a team. 889 00:56:56,614 --> 00:57:01,586 Wendelstein is a highly optimized stellerator device, 890 00:57:01,619 --> 00:57:02,953 three-dimensional design. 891 00:57:02,987 --> 00:57:05,055 It goes back about 20 years. 892 00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:08,993 And, um, to build this, to get the support to build this, 893 00:57:09,026 --> 00:57:12,663 they had to build it in the then-reuniting Germany. 894 00:57:12,697 --> 00:57:14,699 It's a crucial part of the story. 895 00:57:14,732 --> 00:57:16,967 So they started a completely new institute 896 00:57:17,001 --> 00:57:18,536 from nothing up here. 897 00:57:18,569 --> 00:57:22,840 And they had to go into building something that had never been built before. 898 00:57:22,873 --> 00:57:27,177 Now, unsurprisingly, it ended up being more complex 899 00:57:27,211 --> 00:57:29,980 and expensive and difficult than they planned. 900 00:57:33,217 --> 00:57:36,887 [man speaking German] 901 00:57:38,122 --> 00:57:41,258 [applause] 902 00:57:41,291 --> 00:57:44,529 [Chancellor Merkel speaking German] 903 00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:49,526 [Guenter speaking German] 904 00:59:03,373 --> 00:59:04,742 [beeping] 905 00:59:40,377 --> 00:59:43,914 [woman speaking German] 906 00:59:48,152 --> 00:59:51,722 [Guenter speaking German] 907 00:59:56,994 --> 00:59:59,363 Big emotion. Big emotion, you know. 908 00:59:59,396 --> 01:00:01,899 I do believe it's really a landmark 909 01:00:01,932 --> 01:00:06,737 in the history of fusion to see with these stellarators 910 01:00:06,771 --> 01:00:08,372 it works right away. 911 01:00:08,405 --> 01:00:09,707 Very good. 912 01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:11,909 She's a really great scientist, 913 01:00:11,942 --> 01:00:15,345 and she know how to organize the work of this people 914 01:00:15,379 --> 01:00:17,414 to give good priorities, 915 01:00:17,447 --> 01:00:19,784 and I really believe she deserve 916 01:00:19,817 --> 01:00:21,952 full recognition for her achievement. 917 01:00:21,986 --> 01:00:26,090 [indistinct chatter] 918 01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:37,267 [Laberge] Well, this fusion business 919 01:00:37,301 --> 01:00:39,770 has been going a little slower than we were all hoping 920 01:00:39,804 --> 01:00:41,105 when we started this company. 921 01:00:41,138 --> 01:00:42,272 We started with great gusto, 922 01:00:42,306 --> 01:00:44,308 "Yeah, we're gonna whisk that up." 923 01:00:44,341 --> 01:00:46,410 And then we ran into difficulties, 924 01:00:46,443 --> 01:00:49,046 so it's a little longer than what we wanted. 925 01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:51,281 So it's a little bit more challenging. 926 01:00:51,315 --> 01:00:55,085 But we-we're still optimistic that we're doing good progress. 927 01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:56,754 It's going a little slower than I'd like, 928 01:00:56,787 --> 01:00:58,288 but it's-it's advancing forward. 929 01:00:58,322 --> 01:00:59,489 So we're not kind of stopped. 930 01:00:59,523 --> 01:01:03,360 So mood is okay, but now we're, we're kind of gearing up 931 01:01:03,393 --> 01:01:07,364 for a bit more of a long run than a, than a quick success. 932 01:01:07,397 --> 01:01:09,199 We're certainly not the startup anymore, 933 01:01:09,233 --> 01:01:13,403 like we used to be a real scruffy little startup, 934 01:01:13,437 --> 01:01:15,873 but now we're getting more people, 935 01:01:15,906 --> 01:01:18,475 it's a bigger shop, and been here for a few years. 936 01:01:18,508 --> 01:01:20,144 We have shown some result. 937 01:01:21,145 --> 01:01:23,380 This is 1,500 microseconds. 938 01:01:23,413 --> 01:01:24,949 The compression time is only 939 01:01:24,982 --> 01:01:27,885 180 microseconds, a little time here. 940 01:01:27,918 --> 01:01:29,319 So the magnetic field is going up and up and up. 941 01:01:29,353 --> 01:01:33,057 This is good. This is what we want when you compress magnetic field. 942 01:01:33,090 --> 01:01:35,459 But then again you see all those oscillations, 943 01:01:35,492 --> 01:01:38,162 both on the outside sensor and the inside sensor 944 01:01:38,195 --> 01:01:40,064 and then the plasma crash, 945 01:01:40,097 --> 01:01:41,131 like it-it dies here. 946 01:01:41,165 --> 01:01:43,934 What we want it to do is to go up, up, up, up, up, 947 01:01:43,968 --> 01:01:45,970 probably to about this height here. 948 01:01:46,003 --> 01:01:48,272 [alarm blaring] 949 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,743 [thud] 950 01:01:52,777 --> 01:01:56,814 [man] So, we're clamping it now, um, Claude, 951 01:01:56,847 --> 01:01:59,249 so stop flowing. Stop flowing! 952 01:01:59,283 --> 01:02:01,886 -[man 2] Okay! -[man 1] Okay. 953 01:02:03,287 --> 01:02:04,855 This is always a stressful event, 954 01:02:04,889 --> 01:02:06,323 because if we let air into the chamber, 955 01:02:06,356 --> 01:02:09,059 it's filled with moisture, and it will ruin the quality of our vacuum. 956 01:02:09,093 --> 01:02:10,895 It will take weeks and weeks to recover. 957 01:02:13,497 --> 01:02:14,999 Ooh, gosh. 958 01:02:23,507 --> 01:02:26,276 All right, go on, cut the flow in... now. 959 01:02:26,310 --> 01:02:28,245 Cut it now. 960 01:02:28,278 --> 01:02:30,114 Very good. Thanks. 961 01:02:30,147 --> 01:02:30,981 We did it. 962 01:02:31,015 --> 01:02:32,983 Five years ago when we were staring up 963 01:02:33,017 --> 01:02:34,451 and building our first machines, 964 01:02:34,484 --> 01:02:36,020 we were having things blow up every day. 965 01:02:36,053 --> 01:02:38,388 It was-- People were scared. 966 01:02:38,422 --> 01:02:40,224 The siren really made people frightened. 967 01:02:41,425 --> 01:02:44,228 [indistinct chatter] 968 01:02:44,261 --> 01:02:46,196 [man] There's no point building the wrong thing though. 969 01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:49,099 [man 2] I got it. Yeah, absolutely. I know. I know. 970 01:02:49,133 --> 01:02:51,869 But the flip side of that is that that can go on 971 01:02:51,902 --> 01:02:53,904 -for a while, right? -Mm-hmm. 972 01:02:53,938 --> 01:02:56,807 I know you got a good handle on it, but just I gotta ask. 973 01:02:56,841 --> 01:03:00,010 But-But I'm not against actually restarting our... 974 01:03:00,044 --> 01:03:02,012 -I... well... -[laughter] 975 01:03:02,046 --> 01:03:05,515 Because in my opinion, we should try all the available targets. 976 01:03:05,549 --> 01:03:07,484 -Got it. However-- -Because you don't know 977 01:03:07,517 --> 01:03:08,953 what the hell would work or not. 978 01:03:08,986 --> 01:03:10,387 It it decided that we have a pot of work, 979 01:03:10,420 --> 01:03:13,357 and we're trying to fill-- we're trying to put people in those pots. 980 01:03:13,390 --> 01:03:16,360 No, no, no. We don't have enough people to fill in those pots, 981 01:03:16,393 --> 01:03:19,163 so we wanted to get people to put into those pots 982 01:03:19,196 --> 01:03:20,865 but what we have done... 983 01:03:20,898 --> 01:03:23,433 -is make an extra pot. -...is made a new pot. 984 01:03:23,467 --> 01:03:26,436 -Be careful of that. -Yes, I understand the problem. 985 01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:28,372 [laughing] 986 01:03:28,405 --> 01:03:29,439 Good. 987 01:03:29,473 --> 01:03:31,041 I-I like... I'm a, 988 01:03:31,075 --> 01:03:33,577 I'm a practical physicist, 989 01:03:33,610 --> 01:03:34,711 an experimental physicist. 990 01:03:34,744 --> 01:03:37,848 It is true that at work I don't do the work anymore. 991 01:03:37,882 --> 01:03:40,084 Now, all my guy do the work, and we just-- 992 01:03:40,117 --> 01:03:42,286 I push paper and answer emails. 993 01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:46,056 Sometime I go into the lab and turn some screws just because I like it. 994 01:03:46,090 --> 01:03:48,358 But yeah, this is one of the hobby that I have. 995 01:03:48,392 --> 01:03:50,260 [rattling] 996 01:03:55,966 --> 01:03:57,601 I put my hat. That's my mother hat. 997 01:03:57,634 --> 01:03:58,568 She knitted this one. 998 01:04:00,204 --> 01:04:03,974 Oh, long time ago. Must be at least 30 years. 999 01:04:04,608 --> 01:04:06,176 She passed away now. 1000 01:04:07,644 --> 01:04:09,146 She won't knit me a new one. 1001 01:04:10,981 --> 01:04:13,217 [engine starts] 1002 01:04:59,964 --> 01:05:01,498 My name is Mark Uhran. 1003 01:05:01,531 --> 01:05:04,434 I was previously the director 1004 01:05:04,468 --> 01:05:06,403 of the International Space Station division 1005 01:05:06,436 --> 01:05:09,573 at NASA headquarters, and I spent 28 years 1006 01:05:09,606 --> 01:05:11,575 working on the space station program, 1007 01:05:11,608 --> 01:05:14,678 and I now work for the US ITER project. 1008 01:05:14,711 --> 01:05:19,149 What struck me the strongest from the very first year 1009 01:05:19,183 --> 01:05:20,617 as I began to meet the people 1010 01:05:20,650 --> 01:05:22,652 that were engaged around the world 1011 01:05:22,686 --> 01:05:24,154 was how much this was like 1012 01:05:24,188 --> 01:05:26,690 the International Space Station program. 1013 01:05:26,723 --> 01:05:30,360 Uh, ITER, when I joined, was right around the end 1014 01:05:30,394 --> 01:05:33,163 of their final design phase. 1015 01:05:33,197 --> 01:05:35,299 And today they're on the cusp 1016 01:05:35,332 --> 01:05:38,435 between final design and construction. 1017 01:05:38,468 --> 01:05:40,570 And the space station program 1018 01:05:40,604 --> 01:05:43,607 toward the end of the final design phase 1019 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,110 was really quite chaotic. 1020 01:05:46,143 --> 01:05:50,114 Uh, they had not yet reached a point 1021 01:05:50,147 --> 01:05:53,183 where the decision-making process 1022 01:05:53,217 --> 01:05:55,085 was being done 1023 01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:58,488 in accordance with practices of systems engineering. 1024 01:05:58,522 --> 01:06:00,690 It took two to three years 1025 01:06:00,724 --> 01:06:02,326 to accomplish that turnaround, 1026 01:06:02,359 --> 01:06:07,131 because this was a project that spanned five partners 1027 01:06:07,164 --> 01:06:09,766 and involved on the order of five to ten thousand people 1028 01:06:09,799 --> 01:06:11,135 around the world. 1029 01:06:11,168 --> 01:06:13,403 Oh, it's like trying to change the course 1030 01:06:13,437 --> 01:06:15,139 on a supertanker. 1031 01:06:15,172 --> 01:06:17,207 So when I joined ITER four years ago, 1032 01:06:17,241 --> 01:06:20,044 the process was similarly chaotic 1033 01:06:20,077 --> 01:06:22,212 and certainly in need of 1034 01:06:22,246 --> 01:06:25,649 a regimented and disciplined systems engineering approach. 1035 01:06:25,682 --> 01:06:28,218 And over the past four years, 1036 01:06:28,252 --> 01:06:30,487 I've seen progress in that direction. 1037 01:06:32,056 --> 01:06:35,592 This-This is a real test 1038 01:06:35,625 --> 01:06:36,626 of human civilization. 1039 01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:40,364 And it's a test that we can't afford to fail. 1040 01:06:42,399 --> 01:06:46,170 We have to prove that we have the intelligence... 1041 01:06:47,071 --> 01:06:48,572 to prevent our own extinction. 1042 01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:06,082 [speaking English] 1043 01:08:09,853 --> 01:08:12,522 [speaking Italian] 1044 01:08:46,856 --> 01:08:49,393 [all shout] 1045 01:09:23,693 --> 01:09:25,929 [Henderson] To be able to work on fusion, I think is for me 1046 01:09:25,962 --> 01:09:27,631 is a dream come true, 1047 01:09:27,664 --> 01:09:28,932 but it's not just us. 1048 01:09:28,965 --> 01:09:30,434 It's actually you guys as well, 1049 01:09:30,467 --> 01:09:32,602 because your support, or your taxes, 1050 01:09:32,636 --> 01:09:34,638 are putting force to this, 1051 01:09:34,671 --> 01:09:37,274 to the dawn of the fusion age. 1052 01:09:37,307 --> 01:09:40,277 And so, to a large extent, I thank you guys, 1053 01:09:40,310 --> 01:09:42,279 one, for your curiosity in coming, 1054 01:09:42,312 --> 01:09:44,414 but also for your support for fusion. 1055 01:09:44,448 --> 01:09:46,683 -So, thank you. -[applause] 1056 01:09:47,617 --> 01:09:50,387 -I'm Chuck Flanigan. -Hi, Chuck. 1057 01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:51,321 Hi. 1058 01:09:51,355 --> 01:09:53,957 Back during the engineering design phase, 1059 01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:56,360 I was the deputy manager for the US team. 1060 01:09:56,393 --> 01:09:58,495 -Oh, fantastic! -That was a long time ago. 1061 01:09:58,528 --> 01:10:01,398 I've been retired since 95, so... 1062 01:10:01,431 --> 01:10:03,567 The Munich television people come out. 1063 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,270 They wanted to know, "How can you be working on something 1064 01:10:06,303 --> 01:10:08,672 that's going to last 50 years into the future?" 1065 01:10:08,705 --> 01:10:11,575 And Ken said, "Have you ever been into the cathedral?" 1066 01:10:11,608 --> 01:10:12,909 Yeah, exactly. 1067 01:10:12,942 --> 01:10:14,678 Those people never saw the final product. 1068 01:10:14,711 --> 01:10:17,414 -No, no, they passed away, but they also-- -Good job. 1069 01:10:17,447 --> 01:10:20,417 -People like Spitzer, same way. -Yeah. Right. Exactly. 1070 01:10:20,450 --> 01:10:21,851 -Thank you. Also thank you... -Yeah, thanks. 1071 01:10:21,885 --> 01:10:25,355 for laying the foundation in the road to get to where we are today. 1072 01:10:26,956 --> 01:10:32,696 I came on February 14, 19-- uh, 2008. 1073 01:10:32,729 --> 01:10:36,333 I left CRPP Lausanne, Switzerland one day 1074 01:10:36,366 --> 01:10:38,268 and showed up here the next day to start working. 1075 01:10:38,302 --> 01:10:40,003 [woman talking indistinctly] 1076 01:10:40,036 --> 01:10:41,871 This is cool. 1077 01:10:41,905 --> 01:10:43,373 I get to go on-site. 1078 01:10:47,477 --> 01:10:48,978 I've never gone beyond this point. 1079 01:10:49,012 --> 01:10:50,480 This is like Frodo, you know. 1080 01:10:50,514 --> 01:10:52,349 I've never been-- This is like, you know, 1081 01:10:52,382 --> 01:10:53,750 a first step on the site. 1082 01:10:53,783 --> 01:10:55,385 This is cool, isn't it? 1083 01:11:00,657 --> 01:11:01,825 Go this way? 1084 01:11:05,529 --> 01:11:07,364 I look at this and I see... 1085 01:11:07,397 --> 01:11:10,500 what is gonna happen in five, ten years. 1086 01:11:10,534 --> 01:11:13,069 So even though I haven't been down there, 1087 01:11:13,102 --> 01:11:15,339 I know what it is in my brain. 1088 01:11:22,078 --> 01:11:23,947 I can see the vessel. 1089 01:11:23,980 --> 01:11:25,815 I can see inside the vessel. 1090 01:11:25,849 --> 01:11:28,818 I can see everything, but I can't see the plasma side. 1091 01:11:28,852 --> 01:11:31,788 That one, that one I'm looking forward to seeing. 1092 01:11:33,557 --> 01:11:34,324 Okay? 1093 01:11:34,358 --> 01:11:36,426 Let's go. I wanna get down there. 1094 01:11:36,460 --> 01:11:37,694 You guys are holding me back. 1095 01:11:40,697 --> 01:11:43,700 This is pretty cool, when you think also that we're, uh... 1096 01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,437 gonna be about 30 meters underground. 1097 01:11:48,104 --> 01:11:49,939 It's weird to be here. 1098 01:11:49,973 --> 01:11:53,610 And to think that in about... 1099 01:11:53,643 --> 01:11:54,778 ten years' time, there's going to be about 1100 01:11:54,811 --> 01:11:58,415 100 million degrees Celsius above-- sitting above us. 1101 01:11:58,448 --> 01:12:01,418 And another four and a half meters up is the level 1, 1102 01:12:01,451 --> 01:12:04,020 the ground floor... launchers. 1103 01:12:04,053 --> 01:12:05,889 The next level up, level 2, 1104 01:12:05,922 --> 01:12:07,557 the diagnostics, the heating systems, 1105 01:12:07,591 --> 01:12:09,926 the ion cyclotron, electron cyclotron. 1106 01:12:09,959 --> 01:12:11,728 It's all there. 1107 01:12:11,761 --> 01:12:14,330 Just give it some time. It will come. 1108 01:12:19,135 --> 01:12:21,871 [speaking French] 1109 01:15:21,117 --> 01:15:25,054 [Laberge] I think that ITER will probably work, 1110 01:15:25,088 --> 01:15:28,792 and it will demonstrate that fusion is doable. 1111 01:15:28,825 --> 01:15:31,628 I think that as a project it's very difficult 1112 01:15:31,661 --> 01:15:32,796 because it's international, 1113 01:15:32,829 --> 01:15:36,165 so there's all sort of project management issue there. 1114 01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:37,667 So they're gonna blow their budget 1115 01:15:37,701 --> 01:15:39,869 and their schedule big time. 1116 01:15:47,010 --> 01:15:50,179 It's just become such a Tower of Babel in there, 1117 01:15:50,213 --> 01:15:54,217 it will burn money at twice the rate that you need to do it. 1118 01:15:54,250 --> 01:15:56,219 But we'll, we'll plow through it. 1119 01:15:56,252 --> 01:15:58,955 It will get built, and it will work. 1120 01:15:58,988 --> 01:16:01,257 And this will, in my opinion, give a big shot 1121 01:16:01,290 --> 01:16:03,259 in the arm of fusion because here is a machine 1122 01:16:03,292 --> 01:16:04,794 that showed it can be done. 1123 01:16:04,828 --> 01:16:07,030 However, as a power plant, 1124 01:16:07,063 --> 01:16:08,732 I don't think it's very practical. 1125 01:16:08,765 --> 01:16:10,634 It's a machine that's very complex, 1126 01:16:10,667 --> 01:16:12,068 very expensive, 1127 01:16:12,101 --> 01:16:14,871 a little unreliable, there's those disruption in there 1128 01:16:14,904 --> 01:16:16,873 that happen that can damage the machine. 1129 01:16:16,906 --> 01:16:19,342 It's-It's difficult to conceive 1130 01:16:19,375 --> 01:16:21,645 that such a machine can become a reliable 1131 01:16:21,678 --> 01:16:23,146 day-to-day power plant. 1132 01:16:23,179 --> 01:16:26,616 But, you know, it's-it's like the Wright brothers, you know. 1133 01:16:26,650 --> 01:16:28,685 Like that plane didn't have to take a 100 passengers 1134 01:16:28,718 --> 01:16:29,786 across the Atlantic, 1135 01:16:29,819 --> 01:16:33,156 but it evolved when somebody showed that you can fly. 1136 01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:35,892 After that, lots of investment and money goes in. 1137 01:16:35,925 --> 01:16:38,094 After that, the excitement in fusion will go up, 1138 01:16:38,127 --> 01:16:39,062 because right now, 1139 01:16:39,095 --> 01:16:41,364 there's not much excitement about fusion. 1140 01:16:41,397 --> 01:16:44,167 If you look at the alternative energy concept, 1141 01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:45,835 you ever hear about fusion? 1142 01:16:45,869 --> 01:16:49,973 Ah, windmill, solar, tide, chicken shit, whatever, 1143 01:16:50,006 --> 01:16:51,675 but never fusion. 1144 01:16:52,408 --> 01:16:54,277 Uh, this is the Port Mann Bridge. 1145 01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:55,679 It's brand new actually. 1146 01:16:55,712 --> 01:16:57,380 It's one of those cable-stayed ones. 1147 01:16:57,413 --> 01:16:59,148 It's actually quite nice. 1148 01:16:59,182 --> 01:17:02,786 A billion dollar... [chuckles] to build such a thing. 1149 01:17:04,053 --> 01:17:05,855 It's about 20 billion for 20 years. 1150 01:17:05,889 --> 01:17:08,157 A billion a year. Fusion, I mean. 1151 01:17:08,191 --> 01:17:11,294 One bridge a year to try to develop a new energy source 1152 01:17:11,327 --> 01:17:13,062 that will replace all the fossil fuel 1153 01:17:13,096 --> 01:17:15,031 and the pollution and the global warming. 1154 01:17:16,099 --> 01:17:17,834 Let's do it, you know. 1155 01:17:17,867 --> 01:17:20,937 One bridge a year. Peanuts. 1156 01:17:23,773 --> 01:17:26,843 Hopefully, we can crack this nut very soon. 1157 01:17:26,876 --> 01:17:29,879 I will work on this thing all my life until it works. 1158 01:17:29,913 --> 01:17:32,248 This is my great dream in life, you know. 1159 01:17:32,281 --> 01:17:34,083 I want to make fusion happen. 1160 01:17:34,117 --> 01:17:37,286 * When I think of all the worries * 1161 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,455 * People seem to find 1162 01:17:39,488 --> 01:17:41,290 * And how they're in a hurry 1163 01:17:41,324 --> 01:17:43,292 * To complicate their minds 1164 01:17:43,326 --> 01:17:45,161 * By chasing after money 1165 01:17:45,194 --> 01:17:47,430 * And dreams that can't come true * 1166 01:17:47,463 --> 01:17:49,432 * I'm glad that we are different * 1167 01:17:49,465 --> 01:17:51,701 * We've better things to do 1168 01:17:51,735 --> 01:17:53,703 * May others plan their future 1169 01:17:53,737 --> 01:17:57,140 * I'm busy loving you 1170 01:17:57,173 --> 01:17:58,942 * One two three four 1171 01:17:58,975 --> 01:18:03,079 * Sha la la la la la live for today * 1172 01:18:03,112 --> 01:18:06,750 * Sha la la la la la live for today * 1173 01:18:06,783 --> 01:18:11,420 * And don't worry 'bout tomorrow, hey * 1174 01:18:11,454 --> 01:18:14,758 * Sha la la la la la live for today * 1175 01:18:14,791 --> 01:18:16,292 * Live for today... 1176 01:18:16,325 --> 01:18:18,394 [Laberge] And I have to say that I was starting to be 1177 01:18:18,427 --> 01:18:20,029 a little nervous on the money situation 1178 01:18:20,063 --> 01:18:22,832 before, uh, the Malaysian came in 1179 01:18:22,866 --> 01:18:25,201 because, you know, the money in the bank was going down, 1180 01:18:25,234 --> 01:18:27,170 and it was getting, "Uh, uh, we're gonna run out," 1181 01:18:27,203 --> 01:18:30,874 and then they came in and then all the investor put more money in it. 1182 01:18:30,907 --> 01:18:33,309 So now we're having actually the longest runway 1183 01:18:33,342 --> 01:18:35,078 in front of us that we had ever. 1184 01:18:35,111 --> 01:18:37,180 * Have pleasure while we can 1185 01:18:37,213 --> 01:18:38,782 * Two three four 1186 01:18:38,815 --> 01:18:42,786 * Sha la la la la la live for today * 1187 01:18:42,819 --> 01:18:46,289 * Sha la la la la la live for today * 1188 01:18:46,322 --> 01:18:48,124 * And don't worry... 1189 01:18:48,157 --> 01:18:51,227 [speaking English] 1190 01:18:55,832 --> 01:18:59,002 You hear that? That's a glowing recommendation. 1191 01:19:03,539 --> 01:19:09,012 * Baby, I need to feel you inside of me * 1192 01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:13,316 * I got to feel you deep inside of me * 1193 01:19:14,217 --> 01:19:18,454 * Baby, please come close to me * 1194 01:19:18,487 --> 01:19:22,225 * I got to have you now please please * 1195 01:19:22,258 --> 01:19:25,528 * Please please gimme some a-lovin' * 1196 01:19:25,561 --> 01:19:27,363 * To gimme some a-lovin' 1197 01:19:27,396 --> 01:19:29,432 * To gimme some a-lovin' 1198 01:19:29,465 --> 01:19:31,134 * To gimme some a-lovin' 1199 01:19:31,167 --> 01:19:33,436 * Baby gimme some a-lovin' 1200 01:19:33,469 --> 01:19:35,371 * Gimme some a-lovin' 1201 01:19:35,404 --> 01:19:37,573 * Got to have all your lovin' 1202 01:19:37,606 --> 01:19:39,976 * Gimme some a-lovin'... 1203 01:19:40,009 --> 01:19:42,178 At current levels of financing? 1204 01:19:43,179 --> 01:19:45,781 Approximately the age of the universe. 1205 01:19:50,086 --> 01:19:54,223 * Sha la la la la la live for today * 1206 01:19:54,257 --> 01:19:57,827 * Sha la la la la la live for today * 1207 01:19:57,861 --> 01:20:02,465 * And don't worry 'bout tomorrow, hey * 1208 01:20:02,498 --> 01:20:06,302 * Sha la la la la la live for today * 1209 01:20:06,335 --> 01:20:10,206 * Sha la la la la la live for today *