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This is it.

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I'm standing on the very spot

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where many Christians believe
the world will come to an end.

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It's called Megiddo.

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And it's the place that
the Book of Revelation says

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Jesus Christ
will come down to

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to end the world and save
the people who believe in him.

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Now when Revelations
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only God had the capacity
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but now man does too,
because unfortunately,

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before man figured out
how to be rational

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or peaceful, he figured out
nuclear weapons

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and how to pollute
on a catastrophic scale.

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And if it's one thing
I hate more than prophecy,

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it's self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Sometimes in your search
for happiness,

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you ponder the meaning
of your life.

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Who am I?
How did I come to be?

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Death, and then what?

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I certainly honestly believe

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religion is detrimental

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to the progress
of humanity.

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You know, it's just selling
an invisible product.

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It's too easy.

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These questions
about what happens when you die,

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they so freak people out

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that they will
just make up any story

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and cling to it.

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You know, things that they know

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can't be true,
people who are otherwise

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so rational about everything else,

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and then they believe that

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on Sunday
they're drinking the blood

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of a 2,000-year-old God.

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I can't...
that's a dissonance in my head.

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I can't... I have to find out.

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I just have to find out.
I have to try.

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This is the Mount of Olives.
This is Jesus's footprints.

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We're here freezing our ass off.

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Is there anybody on the stage that

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- does not believe in evolution?
- Yeah.

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Hurry hurry hurry.

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- I like my hat.
- You look good too.

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Welcome to Bible Country!

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"Birthplace of the Virgin Mary"?

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I believe that God wants
everybody to be free.

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That's what I believe,

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and that's one part
of my foreign policy.

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Bill, watch out.

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Boy, do I feel cheap.

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I want to thank God
for just blessing me so much.

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Music has been
a blessing from God.

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Thank you, Jesus!

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You need a Holy Ghost enema
right up your rear end!

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The archives are there on the fifth
floor where you see the curtains.

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Yeah, put that away now.
Put that away.

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If you look at my stand-up

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from like the '80s... that era...

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early '90s,

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I talked about religion,
but I'm not ever questioning God.

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I'm just making fun
about things

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in the religion...
circumcision.

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Circumcision...
I mean, I would've loved

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to have been there for
the first people to hear about this.

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We're used to it now,
but you know, I mean,

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I'm sure when Moses came
down with this idea,

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there had to be one guy going,

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"Let me get this straight."

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It was just
a gentle poking fun at Him.

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It's almost like
I'm roasting Him.

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My mother is Jewish and my father
is Catholic. That is the truth.

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I was raised Catholic formally,

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although I must say
the Jewish mind comes out

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even in the Catholic system.
I'll give you an example.

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We used to go into confession

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and I would bring
a lawyer in with me.

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You know.

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Bless me, Father,
for I have sinned.

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I think you know Mr. Cohen.

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So let me get out some pictures.

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There's me.

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We weren't brought up Jewish.

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I didn't even know
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so it was very Catholic.

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We went to church
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but I wouldn't take off the gun

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and really when I think back,

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it wasn't relevant
to my life.

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Superman was relevant
and baseball.

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We had this family

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where one person
was Jewish

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and the other three
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Now there it says
"A Sunday noon, fall '66,"

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so we must've
just gotten back from church,

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'cause I'm in a red suit

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and you're choking the dog.

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And I guess we got home from church
and took a picture with you.

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It never occurred to me to say,

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"Why didn't you go to church?"

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Mom...

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what church do we belong to?

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I don't remember
this ever coming up.

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Of course you didn't go
to church with us.

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No, we never had a family
discussion about it, never.

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We never had
a family discussion about that.

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Every family is dysfunctional.

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So you thought even this,
which wasn't your religion,

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was better than no religion.

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Well, even this only
told you good things...

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I thought.

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But it's just so shamelessly
invented as they go along.

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- We can say that now.
- Was anyone...

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When we quit
the church, I was 13,

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and I was of course thrilled,
but not for any ideological reason.

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I was just thrilled
'cause I hated church.

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It scared me.
It was boring.

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I had to get up
on Sunday.

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I was 13.

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I would've worshiped anything
that could've allowed me

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to masturbate even more
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or get a girl. That god I would have
definitely worshipped.

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Why do you remember

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Dad stopped going to church?

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We used birth control,

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and the church frowned
on birth control.

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That was the biggest sin

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- you could ever commit.
- Right, that would...

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I think that was possibly...
he never said it to me.

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And he never went back.
None of us ever did.

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So now that we don't believe,

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where did...

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Nobody said we don't believe.

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We don't believe in Catholicism.

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Right, but what do
we believe in now?

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Come on.
You're my mother, instruct me.

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I don't know
the answer to that.

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That's my answer.

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We'll take some back roads to see

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- some interesting stuff out here.
- Take some back roads.

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We are heading toward Raleigh, right?

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Oh, yeah, man, can't you feel it?

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Do I stand up here?
So as I was going here,

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I just jotted down
a few questions that came to my mind.

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Are you ever bothered
by many things

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that are in Christianity
that are not in the Bible?

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Like original sin.

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Immaculate conception.

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The virgin birth is only
in two of the Gospels... popes.

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Are you worried that these things
came not from the founders,

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the people that wrote
this book, but from...

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and this is indisputable...
but from men,

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from human beings
who came after?

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And when I say men,
I mean people with penises.

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If you wanna go back
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I think it was determined
the shroud or whatever that was

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went around a while back...
I didn't get involved.

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- Shroud of Turin?
- They took blood samples from it,

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and it was female blood
with a male figure.

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Okay, the only possible way
that could happen was

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that the Holy Ghost
impregnated Mary

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because it would've
been female blood

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because it would've been
the only blood flowing through her.

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- It's a faith thing.
- But why is faith good?

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Why is believing something
without evidence good?

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I don't like the way
this thing's going.

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I don't know what
this documentary's supposed to be,

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but I don't like
where you're going.

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You start disputing my God,

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and you got a problem.
I don't know what you...

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I'm outta here. You do what
you wanna do, but I'm outta here.

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- I'm just asking questions.
- Okay, no problem.

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When I've seen what I've seen,
I know there's a God.

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You can't change my mind.
Nobody can change my mind.

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I walked for 30 years
as a Satanist priest.

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From the time I grew up,
I was in Satanism.

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For the last six years,
that I was into Satanism,

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I was a Satanist priest, okay?

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- Real Satanism?
- Yes, real Satanism.

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Being addicted to drugs,
and running prostitutes

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and the women
and everything that goes with that.

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I walked around with rolls
of money in my pocket.

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I gave all that up
when I got saved.

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When the guy said,
"Yeah, I used to do drugs.

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I used to have women,"
and I'm thinking,

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- "And your problem was?"
- Right.

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Let me ask you this question:

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What if we're right
and you're wrong?

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We gonna make it
and you ain't.

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If you're being good
just to save your ass

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just because,
"Ooh, they might be right

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and I just want
to double down here

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and make sure that
when I get up to the pearly gates,

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that St. Peter doesn't say to me,

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'Sorry, asshole,
you had the wrong religion.

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Enjoy Hell, buh-bye."'

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That's not a good reason,
and you know that.

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Come on, believe in Jesus.
What do you have to lose?

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It's like the lotto.

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You can't get saved
if you don't play.

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Yeah, you could be right.
I don't think it's very likely,

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but, yes, you could be right,
because my big thing is I don't know.

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That's what I preach.

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I preach the gospel
of I don't know!

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I mean that's what
I'm here promoting... doubt.

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- That's my product.
- Right.

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The other guys are
selling certainty, not me.

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I'm on the corner
with doubt.

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So, Dr. Collins,

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you are a brilliant
brilliant scientist,

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the head
of the Human Genome Project.

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Now here's what's
so puzzling is that you are

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the one scientist...

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the one famous scientist anyway...

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who's also religious.
Explain that to me.

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I would argue that
if you look at the evidence,

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the historical evidence
of Christ's existence is overwhelming.

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What evidence?

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I mean, I've never even heard
anyone propose that there's evidence.

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There's been proof
that there's a Jesus.

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- That's been proven.
- That hasn't been proven.

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How you figure that one?

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When I read the New Testament,

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it reads to me
as the record of eyewitnesses

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who put down what they saw.

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You know
they weren't eyewitnesses.

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- They were close to that.
- No.

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Within a couple
of decades of eyewitnesses.

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- Okay.
- Would that stand up in a laboratory

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as absolute foolproof evidence

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that something happened?

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You are setting up
a standard for proof

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that I think would really be
an almost impossible standard to meet.

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No gospel tells us what he was
doing when he was a young man.

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You know,
we see Jesus as an infant

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and then we kind of pick up
the story when he's 30.

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I think Jesus was probably
an awkward teenager...

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big Jewfro,
bad at sports.

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Here I am!

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The records we have
are all gospels.

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Gospels are not history.

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Gospel writers never met Jesus,
neither did St. Paul.

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No one who wrote
about Jesus ever met him.

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How can you go back
into the prophets

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and the prophets specifically
specifies that certain things...

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Well, first of all,

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the New Testament came after
the Old Testament. We agree to that?

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I agree to that,
but that doesn't mean anything.

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All it means is the people that
wrote the New Testament

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read the Old Testament
and then made the prophesies fit.

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They can't make it fit
if something didn't happen.

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Of course they can.

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Then you're saying
the Bible is fictitious?

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- I am.
- Can't be.

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I am.

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We do all know that
those texts don't match.

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Yeah, sure.
Would you expect them to?

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I'm surprised that things
that are very important to the story

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like the virgin birth
isn't in all four of them.

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Wouldn't you really expect
that kind of discordance when you're

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thinking about the way in which
these documents came into being?

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But you'd think if you were
one of Christ's biographers,

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that would be sort
of an important thing not to leave out.

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Oh, God,
he was also born of a virgin.

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They don't notice the virgin birth.

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You know, I think that is something
if you were any sort of reporter

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you'd put into the story.

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What editor looks at the facts and goes,
"Yeah, but take out the thing

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about the virgin birth.
That's not interesting."

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I think being without faith

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is something that's a luxury

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for people who were
fortunate enough

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to have a fortunate life.

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You know, you go to prison

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and you hear a guy say,
"You know what, buddy?

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I got nothing but Jesus in here."

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I completely understand that.

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I think not having faith
is a luxury sometimes.

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If you're in a foxhole,
you probably have a lot of faith, right?

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- Mm-hmm.
- So I get that.

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But you guys aren't dumb.
You're smart people.

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How can smart people...

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how can they believe
in the talking snake,

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people living to 900 years old
and the virgin birth?

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And you know,
that's my question.

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You guys have
your own questions.

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Pray for me.

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Father, in the name of Jesus
and by the power of the Holy Spirit,

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we ask right now, Lord,
as we lift up Bill to You, Father,

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that You can answer his questions
that we can't answer.

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Father, we thank You
right now for the opportunity

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that has come today,

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that we may voice
our opinions and hear others.

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So we ask You, Lord, to touch

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and feel wisdom right now
in the name of Jesus.

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And we thank You for it
in Jesus's name, amen.

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Thank you for being Christlike,
and not just Christian.

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Okay. Hey, my wallet!

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No, I'm kidding.

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You see so many nice people
trying to make it about

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something good

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and yet it turns
into not just corrupt,

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but, like, fucking-little-kids corrupt

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and burning-people-alive cor...

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I mean, really evil shit.

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I'd like to see 10,000 people

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give $10,000.

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Write your biggest check
and send it in.

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We got people on welfare that's got
enough faith to make a $1,000 vow

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- and paying it!
- I want to be in the green, Lord!

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What I'm about
to say is revelation.

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I got it on DVD.
And I have it on DVD.

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And you need to get this. Hallelujah!

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Hallelujah!

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Reverend.
Is that what I call you?

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No, just call me... doctor.

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- Doctor?
- Yeah.

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All right, Doc. First of all,
I have to tell you, when I heard that

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you were in Harold Melvin
and the Blue Notes,

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I was like, "That's my man."

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And it's funny,
because that lyric

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can be interpreted religiously.

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"If you don't know me
by now." Right?

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I mean, you must've thought of that.

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The song did go platinum.

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Teddy Pendergrass,
who led the song,

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he was ordained a minister
when he was 10 years old.

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What do you think
it says about religion

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and how serious it is

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if you can be a minister
when you're 10?

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But there is a comparison
to be made between

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musical stars, rock stars

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and religious figures.
They very often both dress

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- in elaborate costumes...
- Mm-hmm.

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...that get people's attention.

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People in a congregation

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must know that
the outfit was financed

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by their donations,
and it doesn't seem to bother them.

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I always dress well.

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I see! Are those gators?

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Those are lizards.

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- Lizards?
- Yes.

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- What do they run?
- They don't run. They crawl.

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And I see you got a lot of bling.

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I like gold.
The people want you to look well.

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That's what pimps say
about their women.

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I was told by one of the greatest pimps
that ever lived...

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his name is called God...

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that if you know what you got,

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then you ain't got much.

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Jesus dressed very well.

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Oh, come on.

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- Where is the Biblical evidence?
- Wait a minute.

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When he was born,
they brought him gold.

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They brought him gold.
He was not poor.

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So my image of Jesus as a man

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who championed the poor
and walked around

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in simple garb, that's wrong?

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It was linen.
It was fine linen.

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- Really?
- Yeah.

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But Jesus constantly preaches
against rich people.

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The Bible does not speak
against being rich.

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- Jesus does. Very plainly.
- No no.

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Jesus was very
very against the rich.

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He never preached against being poor.
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for...

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No, he preached
against being rich.

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No no no, he said that
it's better for a rich man...

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than a rich man to enter...

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It is easier for a camel to go
through the eye of a needle

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than for a rich man
to enter the Kingdom.

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Okay, but now things
like houses and cars

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and clothes and money,

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they come as a result

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of my seeking God first.

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I don't remember that

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in the New Testament specifically.

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But it's there. I remember it.

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The houses, the cars

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and the clothes, they'll come.

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Yeah, money comes,
money happens, you know.

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Well, money happens for you
because they're giving it up to you.

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You're not giving it up to them.

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Let me set the record straight.

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I do not receive
a salary from the church.

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I do not take a salary
from the church.

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- You take it right out of the pot.
- No no no.

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It's such a powerful position.

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I mean, you hold people's

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greatest hopes and dreams
in the palm of your hand, really.

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Certainly, some of the young women
must get a crush on you.

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Probably. I would too
if I was out there.

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If I was a woman, I'd probably
have a crush on me, too.

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That's keepin' it real.

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00:19:12,935 --> 00:19:16,632
Now I can advise other young men
about women, because I've been there.

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I had a young man who was
about to go crazy over a woman.

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He was about
to kill himself, you know?

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I said, "That kind of passion,
you should have for God."

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I said, "Turn that to God
and see what happens."

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St. Paul, for example,
whom I know you compare yourself to.

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People do.

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But he famously
only wore on his back

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the clothes that he owned.

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00:19:41,631 --> 00:19:43,258
- Should I assume that this is...
- He was always on the run.

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00:19:43,299 --> 00:19:46,962
This is your only $2,000 suit?

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00:19:47,003 --> 00:19:49,062
The gentleman who made
this suit for me

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00:19:49,105 --> 00:19:51,164
owns a clothing store.

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00:19:51,207 --> 00:19:53,437
Mr. Kane, you in the house?

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00:19:53,476 --> 00:19:56,240
The prices that I get
my clothes for...

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00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:59,077
- you know, I'm blessed in that area.
- Yes, you are.

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00:19:59,115 --> 00:20:02,846
I'm more blessed than
I've ever been all the days of my life.

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00:20:02,885 --> 00:20:06,116
And the owner is a Muslim,
which... I came out of Islam.

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00:20:06,155 --> 00:20:09,886
I know, I think it's very interesting
that you're a Christian now,

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you were a Muslim
and when you get your clothes,

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you buy them like a Jew.

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00:20:16,165 --> 00:20:18,656
And action!

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00:20:18,701 --> 00:20:21,568
That's right... behind me and above me
is the original Twin Cities,

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Sodom and Gomorrah.

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00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:25,069
Apparently, it was
a pretty wicked place.

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00:20:25,107 --> 00:20:26,802
How wicked?

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00:20:26,843 --> 00:20:29,311
Well let's just say that
what happened in Gomorrah,

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stayed in Gomorrah.

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That is until God got wind of it,

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so he sent two angels
to investigate.

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Now the angels went to the house

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of the one godly man in town... Lot.

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And the townspeople tried
to rape them.

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Now Lot,

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not wanting his town
to get the reputation

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as the kind of place
that would rape angels,

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00:20:56,873 --> 00:21:00,502
offered up to the mob
his own daughters to rape.

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00:21:00,543 --> 00:21:03,068
And he was
the good guy in town.

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00:21:03,112 --> 00:21:05,171
Which brings me
to this question:

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If I ever had to swear an oath,

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00:21:08,518 --> 00:21:10,486
why would I want to put my hand

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00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,546
on the King James Bible?

435
00:21:13,589 --> 00:21:16,752
I think I could find more morality
in the Rick James Bible.

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00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:22,224
God hates fags.

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00:21:22,265 --> 00:21:25,928
The Constitution does not
grant to homosexuals

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00:21:25,968 --> 00:21:27,663
the right to perform sodomy.

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00:21:27,703 --> 00:21:29,864
- I'm a monk.
- A monk.

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00:21:29,906 --> 00:21:31,567
Franciscan.

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00:21:31,607 --> 00:21:33,575
What do you think
of homosexuality?

442
00:21:33,609 --> 00:21:35,941
Do you think that's...
the Bible is against it.

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00:21:35,978 --> 00:21:37,570
No, the Bible is not against it.

444
00:21:37,613 --> 00:21:39,581
The Bible's not
against homosexuality?

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00:21:39,615 --> 00:21:42,641
If you are born homosexual,
you are to stay there.

446
00:21:42,685 --> 00:21:45,279
- You have to be happy.
- But that's what the Bible says?

447
00:21:45,321 --> 00:21:47,949
What the Bible means to say, yeah.

448
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:49,855
Oh, what the Bible means to say!

449
00:21:49,892 --> 00:21:51,951
Now that's a good book.

450
00:21:51,994 --> 00:21:54,087
It preaches the rock-solid truth.

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00:21:54,130 --> 00:21:55,620
You are faggots!

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00:21:55,665 --> 00:21:59,032
I don't hate them.
God hates them.

453
00:21:59,068 --> 00:22:01,901
- Hey, Bill.
- How are you? Nice to meet you.

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00:22:01,938 --> 00:22:04,805
Okay. Okay.

455
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,276
So of course, the reason
why we're here is because you're...

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00:22:08,311 --> 00:22:10,779
I guess we would say, ex-gay.

457
00:22:10,813 --> 00:22:12,747
You used to be gay

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00:22:12,782 --> 00:22:15,580
and then you married someone
who used to be a lesbian.

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00:22:15,618 --> 00:22:18,678
And you have three children,
and I guess the jury's out on them.

460
00:22:20,756 --> 00:22:24,283
Okay, and would you say
it's just like any other marriage

461
00:22:24,327 --> 00:22:26,488
of 14 years...
you never have sex?

462
00:22:26,529 --> 00:22:28,793
Oh, funny. Ha ha. Got that.

463
00:22:28,831 --> 00:22:32,460
I don't classify myself
as ex-gay, you know?

464
00:22:32,501 --> 00:22:34,799
I'm a heterosexual guy
who dealt

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00:22:34,837 --> 00:22:38,398
with some homosexuality.

466
00:22:38,441 --> 00:22:41,535
Okay, so the people
who come here are people

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00:22:41,577 --> 00:22:43,477
who are wanting to do what you did.

468
00:22:43,512 --> 00:22:47,471
They want to reform their life
and lead a heterosexual life.

469
00:22:47,516 --> 00:22:50,610
But I will be honest with you.
The reality's a lot of people come here

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00:22:50,653 --> 00:22:53,588
and go right back
into whatever they came from.

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00:22:53,623 --> 00:22:56,649
- Because they're gay!
- I believe that it's sin.

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00:22:56,692 --> 00:23:00,492
Excuse me, but don't you have it,
no pun intended, ass-backwards?

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00:23:00,529 --> 00:23:02,190
Meaning?

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00:23:02,231 --> 00:23:04,927
Meaning homosexuality

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00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:07,435
is something that occurs in nature.

476
00:23:07,470 --> 00:23:10,268
I was out bird watching,
but I'd rather watch you.

477
00:23:10,306 --> 00:23:11,864
Why don't you come over
and get some?

478
00:23:11,907 --> 00:23:15,172
Man is who wrote
the Bible.

479
00:23:15,211 --> 00:23:17,441
Nature made gay people.

480
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,176
Nobody's born gay.
There's no scientific or...

481
00:23:20,216 --> 00:23:22,844
Really? Have you ever met
Little Richard?

482
00:23:22,885 --> 00:23:25,479
We can look at creation and say,
"What's the normal order?"

483
00:23:25,521 --> 00:23:27,682
A man has a penis.
A woman has a vagina.

484
00:23:27,723 --> 00:23:29,350
Let's just be blunt.

485
00:23:29,392 --> 00:23:31,690
There's no scientific
data that proves

486
00:23:31,727 --> 00:23:34,161
that anyone is...
there's no gay gene.

487
00:23:34,196 --> 00:23:35,993
And you also discovered
the gay gene?

488
00:23:36,032 --> 00:23:37,795
Yes.

489
00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:40,131
This is all coming from the Bible
which you believe...

490
00:23:40,169 --> 00:23:42,660
- Right.
...to be the word of God.

491
00:23:42,705 --> 00:23:44,935
- I do.
- All of the proscriptions

492
00:23:44,974 --> 00:23:48,535
against homosexuality come
from the Old Testament.

493
00:23:48,577 --> 00:23:51,011
Jesus never said a word
about homosexuality.

494
00:23:51,047 --> 00:23:53,242
And if it's so important,
why didn't he ever bring it up?

495
00:23:53,282 --> 00:23:56,115
We could pick lots of little things

496
00:23:56,152 --> 00:23:58,120
that he didn't
specifically talk about.

497
00:23:58,154 --> 00:24:01,920
- But this is a big thing.
- Let me stop this whole thing.

498
00:24:01,957 --> 00:24:04,892
You know, I'm not sure what
your documentary is about,

499
00:24:04,927 --> 00:24:08,886
but if it's to basically refute
the word of God,

500
00:24:08,931 --> 00:24:11,832
then I'm not interested
in doing your interview, okay?

501
00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:14,267
- Well, l...
- I think that

502
00:24:14,303 --> 00:24:16,362
obviously you don't have
the same relationship

503
00:24:16,405 --> 00:24:18,373
with Jesus Christ that I do.

504
00:24:18,407 --> 00:24:22,207
But what is your explanation
for the millions and millions of people

505
00:24:22,244 --> 00:24:23,836
around the world who are

506
00:24:23,879 --> 00:24:26,040
- leading homosexual lives...
- Well, it's not millions.

507
00:24:26,082 --> 00:24:30,041
...have no interest in anyone
of the opposite sex?

508
00:24:30,086 --> 00:24:32,611
Are they all faking
just to piss off Jesus?

509
00:24:32,655 --> 00:24:35,055
They didn't choose this.
They didn't desire it.

510
00:24:35,091 --> 00:24:36,581
Right, they were born gay.

511
00:24:36,625 --> 00:24:38,559
No, they weren't born that way.

512
00:24:38,594 --> 00:24:41,757
It's because of the insecurity
within theirselves.

513
00:24:41,797 --> 00:24:45,358
It takes a lot of security to walk out
of the house with assless chaps.

514
00:24:45,401 --> 00:24:48,802
- They're not happy, most of them.
- They're called gay.

515
00:24:48,838 --> 00:24:50,396
They took the word.

516
00:24:50,439 --> 00:24:52,566
Some of them look positively thrilled.

517
00:24:58,247 --> 00:25:00,807
No, they are people who
are really not complete

518
00:25:00,850 --> 00:25:02,442
in who they are
as men or women.

519
00:25:02,485 --> 00:25:05,420
That's a pretty big judgment
for a Christian.

520
00:25:05,454 --> 00:25:07,422
- It's not a judgment.
- That's not a judgment?

521
00:25:07,456 --> 00:25:09,754
That you are sitting here
telling these people

522
00:25:09,792 --> 00:25:12,352
who you don't even know
that they're incomplete

523
00:25:12,394 --> 00:25:13,884
because they're not like you?

524
00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:16,557
I mean, it's not the people you suspect

525
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:18,157
that are gay, that are gay.

526
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,794
People like
the Reverend Ted Haggard...

527
00:25:20,836 --> 00:25:23,134
Moral purity is better than immorality.

528
00:25:23,172 --> 00:25:26,630
...who kept meeting
homosexual prostitutes in a hotel room

529
00:25:26,675 --> 00:25:30,236
and having gay sex with speed.

530
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,077
Evangelicals have the best
sex life of any other group.

531
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:36,977
- Good Morning, Duane!
- But he wasn't gay?

532
00:25:37,019 --> 00:25:38,919
I already answered that.

533
00:25:38,954 --> 00:25:41,081
I don't believe that
anybody is gay.

534
00:25:41,123 --> 00:25:43,887
I don't know,
but honestly, if I just saw you

535
00:25:43,926 --> 00:25:47,589
in a bar or something, I would say...
and don't take this the wrong way...

536
00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:49,860
I would say, "Yeah,
I think that guy is gay."

537
00:25:49,899 --> 00:25:53,096
You're good looking.
You're neat, you know.

538
00:25:53,135 --> 00:25:55,797
- You don't look like me.
- Meaning?

539
00:25:55,838 --> 00:25:57,533
Meaning...

540
00:26:20,262 --> 00:26:22,196
- All right, thank you.
- Can I give you a hug?

541
00:26:22,231 --> 00:26:23,493
- Yes!
- I hug everybody,

542
00:26:23,532 --> 00:26:24,726
so can I give you a hug?

543
00:26:26,335 --> 00:26:28,303
- Thanks.
- Thank you very much.

544
00:26:28,337 --> 00:26:30,305
Hey, you didn't have
a hard-on there, did you?

545
00:26:30,339 --> 00:26:33,274
Nope, sorry. Can't do that.

546
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:37,578
That was good, though.

547
00:26:37,613 --> 00:26:40,980
When I was 17,
my first girlfriend dumped me,

548
00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:44,349
and I was sad in a way
I'd never been sad.

549
00:26:44,386 --> 00:26:47,219
You know,
your first dumping is the worst.

550
00:26:47,256 --> 00:26:49,520
And at that point,
you're very vulnerable

551
00:26:49,558 --> 00:26:52,618
to any sort of connection

552
00:26:52,661 --> 00:26:54,492
with, you know...

553
00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:57,090
I didn't get like Jesus-religious,

554
00:26:57,132 --> 00:26:59,566
but I did think a force out there

555
00:26:59,602 --> 00:27:02,867
was communicating to me
through song lyrics or...

556
00:27:02,905 --> 00:27:06,272
numerology I was
very interested in for a while.

557
00:27:06,308 --> 00:27:10,176
You said you were groping
for something at that time.

558
00:27:10,212 --> 00:27:12,646
You know, you make up
an imaginary friend who loves you,

559
00:27:12,681 --> 00:27:15,047
is sympathetic to you
and has a plan for you.

560
00:27:15,084 --> 00:27:18,451
It's much more important.
He didn't have to love me, God,

561
00:27:18,487 --> 00:27:20,455
He just had
to be working for me.

562
00:27:20,489 --> 00:27:22,013
You know, He's like an agent.

563
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:24,753
So you are an ex-Jew for Jesus.

564
00:27:24,793 --> 00:27:26,260
That is correct.

565
00:27:26,295 --> 00:27:30,197
Now what made you to decide
to be a follower of Christ?

566
00:27:30,232 --> 00:27:32,530
What brought Christ
into your life?

567
00:27:32,568 --> 00:27:35,799
Back in '75,

568
00:27:35,838 --> 00:27:37,863
I went to Michigan
State University.

569
00:27:37,907 --> 00:27:41,308
- $2,700?
- Yeah, it's pricey.

570
00:27:41,343 --> 00:27:44,039
Boy, I wonder what Madonna
without the child runs you.

571
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:46,741
So getting back to my story,
I could ask God

572
00:27:46,782 --> 00:27:49,649
to do things in the name
of Jesus and they would happen.

573
00:27:49,685 --> 00:27:53,052
So I can't even recall
all the little miracles He did,

574
00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:56,489
but He proved to me that
He was real and He was there.

575
00:27:56,525 --> 00:27:59,255
They were so miraculous
and you can't remember what they were?

576
00:27:59,295 --> 00:28:00,922
There were so many of them
and they were little things.

577
00:28:00,963 --> 00:28:03,761
- Give me an example.
- One example I can remember was

578
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:05,061
I was at a party.

579
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,762
There was a guy who was working
with Jews for Jesus,

580
00:28:07,803 --> 00:28:11,102
and I asked him,
"Can I get a drink of water?"

581
00:28:11,140 --> 00:28:14,007
And he says,
"You know what? Here's a glass,

582
00:28:14,043 --> 00:28:15,943
stick your hand out the window
and pray for rain."

583
00:28:17,313 --> 00:28:18,803
I didn't like the attitude.

584
00:28:18,847 --> 00:28:20,371
I said okay,

585
00:28:20,416 --> 00:28:23,544
and I stuck my hand out the window
and it started pouring rain.

586
00:28:23,585 --> 00:28:27,316
Pouring so bad that people
couldn't leave the party.

587
00:28:27,356 --> 00:28:29,586
To me, that's a miracle.
You don't have to believe it,

588
00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:32,753
- but I know between me and God...
- It is pretty lame.

589
00:28:32,795 --> 00:28:35,559
- But you asked.
- I asked, but I'm just saying

590
00:28:35,597 --> 00:28:38,532
- that's my reaction to your answer.
- But that's just one of many things.

591
00:28:38,567 --> 00:28:40,626
I live a life of miracles.

592
00:28:40,669 --> 00:28:44,537
No, you live your life with the same
sort of mundane coincidences

593
00:28:44,573 --> 00:28:46,404
that happen to everybody
in the world.

594
00:28:46,442 --> 00:28:50,242
It's not like,
you know, if it rained frogs,

595
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:51,906
I would say you had a point.

596
00:28:51,947 --> 00:28:53,915
But it rains, and it stops raining.

597
00:28:53,949 --> 00:28:56,110
Well, when was the last time
you asked for rain

598
00:28:56,151 --> 00:28:57,743
and it starting raining
within 10 seconds?

599
00:28:57,786 --> 00:28:59,583
I don't know.
I don't ever ask for rain.

600
00:28:59,621 --> 00:29:01,885
But if I asked for it really bad
and it started to rain,

601
00:29:01,924 --> 00:29:03,414
I wouldn't think it was
because I asked for it.

602
00:29:03,459 --> 00:29:05,859
I would think
because it sometimes rains.

603
00:29:05,894 --> 00:29:08,385
God is not that busy

604
00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:10,489
where He can't spend time
listening to you

605
00:29:10,532 --> 00:29:12,363
when you really want
to talk to Him, anytime.

606
00:29:12,401 --> 00:29:14,961
If Santa Claus can hit
every house in the world

607
00:29:15,004 --> 00:29:17,131
- in one night...
- I don't believe in Santa Claus.

608
00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:20,107
Of course not, that's ridiculous.
That's one man flying

609
00:29:20,142 --> 00:29:22,702
all around the world and dropping
presents down a chimney.

610
00:29:22,745 --> 00:29:25,509
That's ridiculous.
One man hearing everybody murmur

611
00:29:25,547 --> 00:29:27,913
to him at the same time, that I get.

612
00:29:29,651 --> 00:29:32,017
And you know what else
was very confusing to me?

613
00:29:32,054 --> 00:29:34,045
I remember vividly

614
00:29:34,089 --> 00:29:36,990
was Santa Claus

615
00:29:37,026 --> 00:29:39,893
- and Jesus.
- You were so mad at us.

616
00:29:39,928 --> 00:29:42,920
- Oh, yes.
- So mad at you, why? Oh, when...

617
00:29:42,965 --> 00:29:46,025
When you realized there
was no Santa Claus.

618
00:29:46,068 --> 00:29:48,798
And then when I found out
there was no Jesus,

619
00:29:48,837 --> 00:29:51,328
boy, was I pissed.

620
00:29:51,373 --> 00:29:53,933
You spoke before in certitude.

621
00:29:53,976 --> 00:29:56,001
You're 100% sure
that after you die,

622
00:29:56,045 --> 00:29:58,275
you'll go to a better place.

623
00:29:58,313 --> 00:30:01,180
I know I'll be with God.
I'll be with Jesus.

624
00:30:01,216 --> 00:30:02,945
And that's a better place.

625
00:30:02,985 --> 00:30:05,579
Even if it was in a garbage can,

626
00:30:05,621 --> 00:30:07,589
which I know it won't be,
but even if it was,

627
00:30:07,623 --> 00:30:10,387
just the fact that
I'm with Jesus, to me, is good.

628
00:30:10,426 --> 00:30:12,519
- It's a better place.
- It's a better place.

629
00:30:12,561 --> 00:30:16,019
Then why don't you kill yourself?

630
00:30:16,065 --> 00:30:17,828
Because God still has
a mission for me here.

631
00:30:17,866 --> 00:30:19,060
Oh, I see.

632
00:30:19,101 --> 00:30:22,628
I'm thinking of Jonah.
God sent Jonah on a mission.

633
00:30:22,671 --> 00:30:25,538
When did the part of the story come
when Jonah lived in the whale?

634
00:30:25,574 --> 00:30:27,565
It was a great fish.

635
00:30:27,609 --> 00:30:29,577
It's one of my favorite
nonsense stories,

636
00:30:29,611 --> 00:30:31,772
Jonah living inside
of the whale.

637
00:30:31,814 --> 00:30:35,614
And their answer unfailingly is

638
00:30:35,651 --> 00:30:38,950
"The Bible doesn't say whale.
It says big fish."

639
00:30:38,987 --> 00:30:40,978
Oh, yeah, big fish,
that makes...

640
00:30:41,023 --> 00:30:44,424
I'm sorry I was obsessing
on that it was a whale. It's a big fish.

641
00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:46,155
Of course you could live
for three days in a big fish.

642
00:30:46,195 --> 00:30:48,060
A tuna.

643
00:30:48,097 --> 00:30:51,191
They do it all the time in Japan.
They have tuna spas.

644
00:30:51,233 --> 00:30:54,464
You go for three days.
They pamper you, oils.

645
00:30:54,503 --> 00:30:57,836
You come out of that tuna
feeling fantastic.

646
00:30:57,873 --> 00:30:59,431
You smell like pussy,

647
00:30:59,475 --> 00:31:02,740
but you feel fantastic.

648
00:31:02,778 --> 00:31:05,611
This man lived inside
of a fish for three days?

649
00:31:05,647 --> 00:31:08,548
Miraculously, yes.

650
00:31:08,584 --> 00:31:11,109
Steve, Steve, Steve.

651
00:31:11,153 --> 00:31:12,882
You don't believe in miracles.

652
00:31:12,921 --> 00:31:15,583
- That doesn't mean they don't exist.
- Of course not!

653
00:31:15,624 --> 00:31:17,182
I'm not 10!

654
00:31:17,226 --> 00:31:19,160
He lived in a fish.

655
00:31:19,194 --> 00:31:21,856
Come on.

656
00:31:21,897 --> 00:31:25,128
Your bar on miracles is pretty low,
I gotta tell you, bro.

657
00:31:25,167 --> 00:31:27,192
Well, whatever.

658
00:31:27,236 --> 00:31:29,727
Two things that are
completely incompatible

659
00:31:29,771 --> 00:31:33,002
are Christianity
as Jesus taught it

660
00:31:33,041 --> 00:31:34,975
- and nationalism...
- Right. Exactly.

661
00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:38,275
...and yet people always
say God and country.

662
00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:40,941
Jesus would never...
you know,

663
00:31:40,983 --> 00:31:42,814
people who are
such good Christians...

664
00:31:42,851 --> 00:31:45,615
in one breath you'll hear them
say something like,

665
00:31:45,654 --> 00:31:47,554
"Well, you gotta take care
of your own first.

666
00:31:47,589 --> 00:31:50,319
I know people overseas have trouble,
but you gotta take"...

667
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:54,227
that is not a message I can ever see
the Jesus in the Bible,

668
00:31:54,263 --> 00:31:57,232
even when he was
in a bad mood, would say.

669
00:32:01,403 --> 00:32:02,529
I'm gonna vote Bible.

670
00:32:02,571 --> 00:32:04,129
It's time for God's people to come

671
00:32:04,173 --> 00:32:07,336
out of the closets,
out of the churches

672
00:32:07,376 --> 00:32:09,207
and change America!

673
00:32:09,244 --> 00:32:10,836
Unless you and I do
what God wants us to do,

674
00:32:10,879 --> 00:32:13,040
he'll go to some other country.

675
00:32:13,081 --> 00:32:15,413
God, forgive America!

676
00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:19,386
I would probably have to say yes,
that the Constitution established

677
00:32:19,421 --> 00:32:22,185
the United States of America
as a Christian nation.

678
00:32:22,224 --> 00:32:24,818
We have, of course,
"In God We Trust" on our money.

679
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:26,020
The Senate will come to order.

680
00:32:26,061 --> 00:32:27,255
The chaplain will lead
the Senate in prayer.

681
00:32:32,434 --> 00:32:36,200
How did this country
get to be a Christian nation?

682
00:32:36,238 --> 00:32:38,706
I've read a lot of quotes
from all the Founding Fathers.

683
00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:40,469
There are a lot of quotes
that explicitly say

684
00:32:40,509 --> 00:32:42,704
we're not a Christian nation.

685
00:32:54,623 --> 00:32:56,955
And Jefferson's
a particularly interesting case.

686
00:32:56,992 --> 00:33:00,655
Didn't he write his own Bible
which divorced the New Testament

687
00:33:00,696 --> 00:33:03,927
from what he considered
the unnecessary magic,

688
00:33:03,966 --> 00:33:05,695
bells and whistles?

689
00:33:05,734 --> 00:33:07,793
He took the Gospels,

690
00:33:07,836 --> 00:33:09,861
took out all of Jesus's miracles

691
00:33:09,905 --> 00:33:11,702
and took out
all of Jesus's statements

692
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:13,970
that claimed divinity,

693
00:33:14,009 --> 00:33:16,307
and put out a new book called
"The Faith and Moral Teachings

694
00:33:16,345 --> 00:33:17,778
of Jesus of Nazareth."

695
00:33:17,813 --> 00:33:20,907
We tend to lionize these guys
and think of them all

696
00:33:20,949 --> 00:33:24,180
as the 12 Apostles
plus the Founding Fathers,

697
00:33:24,219 --> 00:33:26,483
like they're in the same
club or something.

698
00:33:26,521 --> 00:33:29,149
When in fact,
these men understood very well

699
00:33:29,191 --> 00:33:31,421
that there was a difference
between being Christian

700
00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:33,325
and being American.

701
00:33:33,362 --> 00:33:35,592
- Right.
- In Jefferson's age, fewer people went

702
00:33:35,631 --> 00:33:38,464
to church less often.

703
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,832
Do you think that there
are a lot of people

704
00:33:40,869 --> 00:33:43,838
who feel the way you do,
but are afraid to speak out?

705
00:33:43,872 --> 00:33:45,635
Absolutely. Are you kidding?

706
00:33:45,674 --> 00:33:49,075
Yes, I think it is
the great untapped minority

707
00:33:49,111 --> 00:33:50,806
in this country.

708
00:33:50,846 --> 00:33:52,370
In the last survey,

709
00:33:52,414 --> 00:33:55,941
I think it was 16% of Americans

710
00:33:55,984 --> 00:33:59,010
who now say they are
absolutely unaffiliated

711
00:33:59,054 --> 00:34:01,648
with any religion,
don't want to be in a religion,

712
00:34:01,690 --> 00:34:03,453
just don't go near me
with religion.

713
00:34:03,492 --> 00:34:06,427
16% of the population is

714
00:34:06,461 --> 00:34:09,453
a huge minority.
It's bigger than Jews,

715
00:34:09,498 --> 00:34:13,400
blacks, homosexuals,
NRA members,

716
00:34:13,435 --> 00:34:15,926
lots of people you could name
who have lobbies

717
00:34:15,971 --> 00:34:18,496
that get everything they want

718
00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:22,442
or are at least are in the debate.

719
00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:24,604
You want me to kinda angle
like this or straight ahead?

720
00:34:24,646 --> 00:34:26,841
Just as natural as possible to Bill.

721
00:34:26,882 --> 00:34:30,113
So you've described yourself
as an Evangelical Christian.

722
00:34:30,152 --> 00:34:33,610
You did a campaign ad where you said
the most important lessons in life

723
00:34:33,655 --> 00:34:36,556
are in this book right here,
meaning the Bible.

724
00:34:36,591 --> 00:34:40,322
Everyone in politics likes
to brag that they're a person of faith.

725
00:34:40,362 --> 00:34:42,990
Why is faith good?

726
00:34:43,031 --> 00:34:45,022
Faith has a way

727
00:34:45,067 --> 00:34:47,365
of softening people.

728
00:34:47,402 --> 00:34:50,667
For example, if you look at the
teachings of Jesus, he's very forgiving.

729
00:34:50,706 --> 00:34:52,765
He also said,
"If a man doesn't abide in me,

730
00:34:52,808 --> 00:34:55,675
he is cast forth
as a branch and withers,

731
00:34:55,711 --> 00:34:59,272
and the branches are gathered,
thrown into the fire and burned."

732
00:34:59,314 --> 00:35:02,681
Right. So?

733
00:35:02,718 --> 00:35:04,549
I do think, 'cause I'm a Christian,

734
00:35:04,586 --> 00:35:07,350
that Jesus is the way
to be reconciled.

735
00:35:07,389 --> 00:35:12,019
And I do believe
the actual literacy of that story.

736
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:16,520
We'll let God sort out all the details
of that on Judgment Day.

737
00:35:16,565 --> 00:35:18,294
What about
the 10 Commandments?

738
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:21,666
So many politicians talk
about the 10 Commandments.

739
00:35:21,703 --> 00:35:23,898
Are they really the 10 most

740
00:35:23,939 --> 00:35:26,339
- important moral...
- Are these the 10 suggestions?

741
00:35:26,375 --> 00:35:28,866
The 10 recommendations?

742
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:31,276
But it's not really a wide list of 10.

743
00:35:31,313 --> 00:35:33,281
The first four are all

744
00:35:33,315 --> 00:35:36,614
about just worshipping God
and basically that he's a jealous God,

745
00:35:36,651 --> 00:35:38,778
and he doesn't want you
to have any other gods.

746
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:40,913
The only two that are really laws

747
00:35:40,956 --> 00:35:42,947
are don't steal and don't kill.

748
00:35:42,991 --> 00:35:45,221
Why is this the wisest group of 10?

749
00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:48,957
It doesn't include child abuse.
It doesn't include don't torture.

750
00:35:48,997 --> 00:35:51,090
It doesn't include
a lot of things... rape...

751
00:35:51,133 --> 00:35:53,931
that I think if we were
making a list today,

752
00:35:53,969 --> 00:35:55,630
we would probably include.

753
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:58,070
Society is so different today

754
00:35:58,106 --> 00:36:00,597
and our culture is
so radically different today.

755
00:36:00,642 --> 00:36:03,202
That's what I'm asking.
We're in a different culture.

756
00:36:03,245 --> 00:36:06,874
Can you think of anything else that
we still cleave to from the Bronze Age?

757
00:36:06,915 --> 00:36:08,746
Well...

758
00:36:27,803 --> 00:36:30,499
Basically, murder is against the law
in every country in the world.

759
00:36:30,539 --> 00:36:33,531
But wouldn't we have come
to that even without religion?

760
00:36:33,575 --> 00:36:36,271
Don't you think people would
have gotten together and said,

761
00:36:36,311 --> 00:36:38,404
"You know what?
Let's not slaughter each other

762
00:36:38,447 --> 00:36:42,144
- and not take each other's stuff."
- I don't know.

763
00:36:42,184 --> 00:36:44,982
There's been more killing
in the name of "My God."

764
00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:48,456
You think maybe sort of indigously

765
00:36:48,490 --> 00:36:50,685
or just by our DNA,

766
00:36:50,725 --> 00:36:53,523
we somehow know that killing
another person is wrong?

767
00:36:53,562 --> 00:36:56,190
I'm not sure that that's the case.

768
00:36:56,231 --> 00:36:58,927
Really, you need God
to decide not to kill each other?

769
00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:02,368
Well, you can look back
at more primitive cultures,

770
00:37:02,404 --> 00:37:06,033
and they were constantly at war.

771
00:37:10,212 --> 00:37:13,670
We are now, among industrialized,
modern nations,

772
00:37:13,715 --> 00:37:15,945
the most religious nation.

773
00:37:15,984 --> 00:37:18,043
A recent study found that

774
00:37:18,086 --> 00:37:20,145
among 32 countries,

775
00:37:20,188 --> 00:37:22,782
more people in this country
doubted evolution

776
00:37:22,824 --> 00:37:26,555
than any other country on that list,
except, I think, it was Turkey.

777
00:37:26,595 --> 00:37:28,961
In the US,
we have freedom of religion.

778
00:37:28,997 --> 00:37:31,295
I think most of the countries on
that list do have freedom of religion.

779
00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:33,233
Well, that's interesting.

780
00:37:33,268 --> 00:37:34,530
Do you believe in evolution?

781
00:37:34,569 --> 00:37:37,470
You know my... I don't know.

782
00:37:37,506 --> 00:37:40,236
Clearly the scientific community's
a little divided

783
00:37:40,275 --> 00:37:43,642
on some of the specifics
of that and I understand that.

784
00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:46,511
- I don't think they are.
- No no... well...

785
00:37:46,548 --> 00:37:48,573
I think they pretty much agree.

786
00:37:48,617 --> 00:37:50,448
I don't know how it all happened.

787
00:37:50,485 --> 00:37:53,511
I'm certainly willing to accept
the scientific premise.

788
00:37:53,555 --> 00:37:56,217
It couldn't possibly
have been Adam and Eve

789
00:37:56,258 --> 00:37:59,386
5,000 years ago with a talking snake
and a garden, could it?

790
00:37:59,427 --> 00:38:01,088
Well, it could've
possibly been that.

791
00:38:01,129 --> 00:38:03,689
Come on.
See, this is my problem.

792
00:38:03,732 --> 00:38:06,064
I mean, you're a senator.

793
00:38:06,101 --> 00:38:08,399
You are one
of the very few people

794
00:38:08,436 --> 00:38:10,199
who are really
running this country.

795
00:38:10,238 --> 00:38:14,197
It worries me that people are
running my country who think...

796
00:38:14,242 --> 00:38:15,869
who believe
in a talking snake.

797
00:38:15,911 --> 00:38:18,607
You don't have to pass an IQ test
to be in the Senate, though.

798
00:38:28,290 --> 00:38:31,088
As you first come
into the Creation Museum,

799
00:38:31,126 --> 00:38:32,593
there's going to be a sense

800
00:38:32,627 --> 00:38:34,356
of "This is something really big."

801
00:38:34,396 --> 00:38:37,490
This is something awe-inspiring,
something great here.

802
00:38:37,532 --> 00:38:40,000
We can answer the questions
of the skeptics

803
00:38:40,035 --> 00:38:41,764
that attack
the Bible's history.

804
00:38:41,803 --> 00:38:44,465
We admit that we start
from the Bible here

805
00:38:44,506 --> 00:38:46,030
to teach them how to think.

806
00:38:46,074 --> 00:38:48,235
Really, in a nutshell,
we're saying, the Bible's true

807
00:38:48,276 --> 00:38:49,971
from Genesis to Revelation.

808
00:38:54,983 --> 00:38:57,349
We're building the whole place
for about $27 million.

809
00:39:00,355 --> 00:39:01,913
I have many people say to me,

810
00:39:01,957 --> 00:39:03,857
"As a Christian,
can't you believe in evolution?"

811
00:39:03,892 --> 00:39:06,452
I say, "Well, you got a problem.
God made a man and a woman."

812
00:39:06,494 --> 00:39:09,258
If you believe in evolution, the woman
had to come from an ape woman.

813
00:39:09,297 --> 00:39:13,290
All right,
but you're so damned ugly.

814
00:39:14,669 --> 00:39:18,435
This is what we call the main hall
here. Immediately, people see

815
00:39:18,473 --> 00:39:20,270
dinosaurs and people together,
which is very different

816
00:39:20,308 --> 00:39:23,937
to the idea of the evolutionists
who say dinosaurs died out

817
00:39:23,979 --> 00:39:27,244
70 million ago or so,
and so they didn't live with humans.

818
00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:30,274
They see an animatronic
dinosaur over here.

819
00:39:30,318 --> 00:39:32,946
Two animatronic baby T-Rexes
and two animatronic children.

820
00:39:32,988 --> 00:39:36,424
It's basically just to give people
a wow factor as they come in here.

821
00:39:40,629 --> 00:39:44,463
How to share your faith
effectively and Biblically,

822
00:39:44,499 --> 00:39:46,057
to be able to reason
with people,

823
00:39:46,101 --> 00:39:47,830
learn to circumnavigate

824
00:39:47,869 --> 00:39:49,860
or go around
the person's intellect.

825
00:39:49,904 --> 00:39:53,465
There's plenty of people who
would say, "Well, it's just my faith."

826
00:39:53,508 --> 00:39:56,204
But that's not good enough
for you. You say, "No.

827
00:39:56,244 --> 00:39:58,712
We can basically
reconcile the science

828
00:39:58,747 --> 00:40:01,443
with what's in Genesis."

829
00:40:01,483 --> 00:40:04,350
We're an organization that...
to put it in a nutshell...

830
00:40:04,386 --> 00:40:07,014
is telling people that
the Bible's history is true,

831
00:40:07,055 --> 00:40:08,352
its history beginning
in Genesis.

832
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:11,791
Scientists line up
overwhelmingly

833
00:40:11,826 --> 00:40:14,021
on one side of this issue.
It would have to be

834
00:40:14,062 --> 00:40:17,828
an enormous conspiracy
going on between scientists

835
00:40:17,866 --> 00:40:20,494
of all different disciplines
in all different countries

836
00:40:20,535 --> 00:40:23,163
to have such a consensus.

837
00:40:23,204 --> 00:40:24,728
That doesn't move you?

838
00:40:24,773 --> 00:40:27,264
No, not at all, because from
a Biblical perspective,

839
00:40:27,308 --> 00:40:30,539
I understand why the majority
would not agree with the truth.

840
00:40:30,578 --> 00:40:33,672
Man is a sinner.
Man is rebelling against his creator.

841
00:40:33,715 --> 00:40:36,582
All these scientists
are sinners?

842
00:40:36,618 --> 00:40:38,677
Well...

843
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,848
We have been talking
to so many religious people

844
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:44,324
and many of them believe
the earth is 5,000 years old.

845
00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:46,827
If you're a scientist,
you can't accept that.

846
00:40:46,861 --> 00:40:50,194
Now you recently were the director
of the Vatican Observatory.

847
00:40:50,231 --> 00:40:52,392
A Vatican astronomer.

848
00:40:52,434 --> 00:40:55,369
It's one of those terms
like "gay Republican"...

849
00:40:55,403 --> 00:40:57,371
you know,
you just don't expect it.

850
00:40:57,405 --> 00:41:00,897
- I'm not getting into that.
- No no no, I'm not asking you to.

851
00:41:00,942 --> 00:41:02,933
It's not that the church
has the idea, you know,

852
00:41:02,977 --> 00:41:06,242
they're gonna train us up
so we can be the first ones out there

853
00:41:06,281 --> 00:41:08,408
to baptize those extraterrestrials

854
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:10,543
before the Mormons get at 'em.

855
00:41:10,585 --> 00:41:13,179
The reason is simply

856
00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:15,849
historical facts.

857
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:19,087
John Paul II,
for instance, said evolution

858
00:41:19,127 --> 00:41:23,086
in the neo-Darwinian sense is
no longer a mere hypothesis.

859
00:41:23,131 --> 00:41:25,429
I mean, he said that.
It's in writing.

860
00:41:25,467 --> 00:41:27,958
I still don't understand
why it's important

861
00:41:28,002 --> 00:41:30,562
for there to have to have been
a situation on earth

862
00:41:30,605 --> 00:41:33,267
where a man co-existed
with dinosaurs.

863
00:41:33,308 --> 00:41:34,866
Only really
in "The Flintstones"...

864
00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:36,877
Is someone talking about me?

865
00:41:36,911 --> 00:41:38,435
...and that Raquel Welch movie

866
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,972
does man ever co-exist
with dinosaurs.

867
00:41:42,016 --> 00:41:45,918
Why is that important
for your salvation or your morality?

868
00:41:45,954 --> 00:41:47,683
If you're saying
this part over here,

869
00:41:47,722 --> 00:41:50,486
it says God made land animals
and man on the same day is not true,

870
00:41:50,525 --> 00:41:53,619
then ultimately, why should
I believe this bit over here?

871
00:41:53,661 --> 00:41:57,392
The Christian Scriptures
were written

872
00:41:57,432 --> 00:42:00,230
between about 2,000 years
before Christ

873
00:42:00,268 --> 00:42:02,327
to about 200 years after Christ.

874
00:42:02,370 --> 00:42:03,564
That's it.

875
00:42:03,605 --> 00:42:07,063
Modern science came
to be with Galileo

876
00:42:07,108 --> 00:42:09,474
up through Newton,
up through Einstein.

877
00:42:09,511 --> 00:42:12,674
What we know
as modern science, okay,

878
00:42:12,714 --> 00:42:14,181
is in that period.

879
00:42:14,215 --> 00:42:17,548
How in the world could
there be any science

880
00:42:17,585 --> 00:42:19,314
in scripture?

881
00:42:19,354 --> 00:42:20,946
There cannot be.

882
00:42:20,989 --> 00:42:23,617
Just the two historical
periods are separated

883
00:42:23,658 --> 00:42:25,353
by so much.

884
00:42:25,393 --> 00:42:27,327
The Scriptures are not

885
00:42:27,362 --> 00:42:29,523
teaching science.

886
00:42:29,564 --> 00:42:31,532
It's very hard for me to accept,

887
00:42:31,566 --> 00:42:35,093
not just a literal interpretation
of scripture,

888
00:42:35,136 --> 00:42:37,934
but a fundamentalist approach
to religious belief.

889
00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:39,837
It's kind of a plague.

890
00:42:39,874 --> 00:42:42,604
It presents itself
as science and it's not.

891
00:42:42,644 --> 00:42:44,942
God is an infinite God
who is working in ways

892
00:42:44,979 --> 00:42:47,607
- we don't always understand.
- You don't think that's a cop-out?

893
00:42:47,649 --> 00:42:50,311
He is God.

894
00:42:50,351 --> 00:42:51,875
Are you God?

895
00:42:53,488 --> 00:42:55,183
No.

896
00:42:58,726 --> 00:43:00,523
We went to church every Sunday.

897
00:43:00,562 --> 00:43:04,191
My sister and I went to Catechism,
which is Catholic, you know,

898
00:43:04,232 --> 00:43:07,633
like Hebrew school for papists.

899
00:43:07,669 --> 00:43:09,136
It was like war.

900
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:12,298
It was vast stretches
of boredom punctuated

901
00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:15,036
by moments of sheer terror.

902
00:43:20,682 --> 00:43:22,673
I'm in the Vatican.

903
00:43:28,456 --> 00:43:30,287
Buongiorno!

904
00:43:30,325 --> 00:43:33,226
I know what you're thinking.
I'm standing in front of a green screen

905
00:43:33,261 --> 00:43:35,161
at a studio
in Burbank, California,

906
00:43:35,196 --> 00:43:37,687
and they digitalized
the Vatican in behind me.

907
00:43:37,732 --> 00:43:40,394
No no, that's really the Vatican.

908
00:43:40,435 --> 00:43:42,403
I ought to know.
I just got thrown out of it.

909
00:43:42,437 --> 00:43:44,302
See, I wanted
to interview the Pope,

910
00:43:44,339 --> 00:43:48,241
but I was willing to settle
for a cardinal or a monsignor

911
00:43:48,276 --> 00:43:50,403
or the Flying Nun...
really anybody...

912
00:43:50,445 --> 00:43:53,903
but apparently I've been on the
Catholic shit list for quite a while.

913
00:43:53,948 --> 00:43:56,940
But that's their loss, 'cause now
I'm gonna say what I really think,

914
00:43:56,985 --> 00:43:59,044
which is mainly:

915
00:43:59,087 --> 00:44:00,679
Does that look anything

916
00:44:00,722 --> 00:44:03,520
like anything Jesus Christ
had in mind?

917
00:44:03,558 --> 00:44:06,891
When you look at a building
like that, a giant palace,

918
00:44:06,928 --> 00:44:09,123
does it seem at odds
with the message of the founder?

919
00:44:09,163 --> 00:44:10,687
Well, certainly.

920
00:44:10,732 --> 00:44:14,133
- Well, thank you.
- I mean, that's obvious.

921
00:44:14,168 --> 00:44:17,695
It really is obvious, isn't it?
But does it bother you?

922
00:44:17,739 --> 00:44:21,106
Well, I mean...
well, yes it does.

923
00:44:21,142 --> 00:44:23,702
I wouldn't...
if I were the boss,

924
00:44:23,745 --> 00:44:25,645
I wouldn't be living there.

925
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,672
I mean Jesus would be
probably out in some barracks here

926
00:44:28,716 --> 00:44:31,913
in a suburb of Rome, got it?

927
00:44:31,953 --> 00:44:34,786
Do you ever get so fed up
you want to take the collar and go...

928
00:44:34,822 --> 00:44:36,813
- Well, I don't wear a collar anyway.
..."That's it, Captain.

929
00:44:36,858 --> 00:44:38,883
Take my badge and my collar."

930
00:44:38,927 --> 00:44:42,124
I read about 10 books recently...
the rationality of religion,

931
00:44:42,163 --> 00:44:44,723
and everyone's saying it's stupid.

932
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,968
You know what's
gonna happen to them.

933
00:44:48,002 --> 00:44:49,663
- No, what's gonna happen?
- They're gonna be roasting in hell.

934
00:44:49,704 --> 00:44:52,332
Come on, roasting.
That's the old Catholic thing.

935
00:44:52,373 --> 00:44:53,840
That's what they taught me.

936
00:44:53,875 --> 00:44:55,638
Yeah, I know, that hell business.

937
00:44:55,677 --> 00:44:58,475
Well, come on, the standard doctrine
that I was taught as a kid...

938
00:44:58,513 --> 00:45:00,674
Yeah, that's all gone.
That's all finished.

939
00:45:00,715 --> 00:45:02,182
But that's not fair.

940
00:45:02,216 --> 00:45:05,515
- Yeah, pfft!
- The date of Jesus's birth

941
00:45:05,553 --> 00:45:08,021
really wasn't established
until 349 A.D.

942
00:45:08,056 --> 00:45:10,251
Oh, yeah...

943
00:45:10,291 --> 00:45:12,953
because he might've
been born on July 3rd.

944
00:45:12,994 --> 00:45:16,521
These are all
nice stories, you know.

945
00:45:16,564 --> 00:45:18,896
- And that doesn't bother you, either?
- That bothers me too.

946
00:45:18,933 --> 00:45:21,265
I mean, when everybody's,
"Ooh, we have to have midnight mass

947
00:45:21,302 --> 00:45:24,100
because Jesus was born
on midnight on 25th of"...

948
00:45:24,138 --> 00:45:26,038
this is all nonsense.

949
00:45:26,074 --> 00:45:28,167
- You're a maverick, aren't you?
- I'm not a maverick.

950
00:45:28,209 --> 00:45:31,804
You're Father Maverick.
You do things your own way.

951
00:45:37,218 --> 00:45:40,210
When you add up
all the saints and all the angels

952
00:45:40,254 --> 00:45:42,848
and archangels
and super-duper angels...

953
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:45,882
there's God, the Father,
God the Son, the Holy Ghost,

954
00:45:45,927 --> 00:45:48,657
Mother Mary...
it does start to look like

955
00:45:48,696 --> 00:45:51,426
it's not quite
the monotheistic religion that it's...

956
00:45:51,466 --> 00:45:53,866
Oh, I understand.
Like we have mini-gods.

957
00:45:53,901 --> 00:45:57,337
Yeah, well, it does seem like that,
if people pray to a...

958
00:45:57,372 --> 00:45:59,499
Well, yeah, but some people
just don't understand this.

959
00:45:59,540 --> 00:46:02,065
You probably are...
you don't follow things...

960
00:46:02,110 --> 00:46:04,704
but they had a survey here
in Italy, you know,

961
00:46:04,746 --> 00:46:06,714
and they said, "In a crisis,

962
00:46:06,748 --> 00:46:09,376
what kind of saints
do you pray to?" Got it?

963
00:46:09,417 --> 00:46:12,511
You know who's the sixth
on the list? Jesus Christ.

964
00:46:12,553 --> 00:46:14,248
The sixth?

965
00:46:14,288 --> 00:46:17,780
He's the sixth man
that the Italians call upon

966
00:46:17,825 --> 00:46:20,259
when they have problems.
Isn't that neat?

967
00:46:20,294 --> 00:46:24,663
- That's very interesting.
- Talk about Cafeteria Catholics. Pfft!

968
00:46:24,699 --> 00:46:26,690
So how do you convince people
of what's the true faith?

969
00:46:26,734 --> 00:46:29,669
You don't, forget it.
You just have to live and die

970
00:46:29,704 --> 00:46:32,605
with their stupid ideas.

971
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,870
I'm sorry.
What are you gonna do?

972
00:46:34,909 --> 00:46:36,877
You can go to a pitch meeting
at a movie studio and go,

973
00:46:36,911 --> 00:46:39,311
"Okay, there's a spaceman

974
00:46:39,347 --> 00:46:41,042
who zaps a virgin

975
00:46:41,082 --> 00:46:43,949
and he gives birth
to a son who's also him,

976
00:46:43,985 --> 00:46:45,885
who then goes
on a suicide mission."

977
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,353
I wonder what people
would say about that.

978
00:46:47,388 --> 00:46:49,549
Yeah, that is actually
a great pitch.

979
00:46:49,590 --> 00:46:51,854
It has so many elements
that they like,

980
00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:53,861
because they love
suicide missions.

981
00:46:53,895 --> 00:46:56,693
They love violence,
and Hollywood loves something

982
00:46:56,731 --> 00:46:59,564
it's never seen before... a virgin.

983
00:47:16,017 --> 00:47:17,917
Hey, Shalom.

984
00:47:23,925 --> 00:47:26,951
We're so glad to have you here.
Just come and get blessed.

985
00:47:33,267 --> 00:47:35,098
These are here to teach God's word.

986
00:47:35,136 --> 00:47:36,933
We're in a spiritual warfare.

987
00:47:36,971 --> 00:47:38,962
We don't push our beliefs on people,

988
00:47:39,006 --> 00:47:41,065
but we do make them available.

989
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:43,976
- Have you ever had a Muslim person?
- Yes, definitely.

990
00:47:44,011 --> 00:47:45,842
People from Gaza Strip come.

991
00:47:49,016 --> 00:47:51,143
We get many people
who come here say,

992
00:47:51,185 --> 00:47:53,415
"We've come every year
to Florida

993
00:47:53,454 --> 00:47:56,685
and we've done the tourist
things and all and we enjoy those.

994
00:47:56,724 --> 00:47:59,955
We wish we had
seen this first,"

995
00:47:59,994 --> 00:48:03,259
because their experience
here was so meaningful.

996
00:48:03,297 --> 00:48:06,289
Do you think if...
when you were a kid...

997
00:48:06,334 --> 00:48:09,599
they transposed the Bible stories

998
00:48:09,637 --> 00:48:12,128
with the fairy tales, you'd know
the difference as an adult?

999
00:48:13,407 --> 00:48:16,069
- My name is Eve.
- I'm Adam.

1000
00:48:16,110 --> 00:48:18,044
This place is amazing.

1001
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,843
If they told you Jack
and the Beanstalk was religion

1002
00:48:20,882 --> 00:48:23,976
and that a man who lived
in a whale was in a fairy-tale book...

1003
00:48:25,419 --> 00:48:27,512
you think when you got
to be an adult,

1004
00:48:27,555 --> 00:48:29,546
you'd be defending
the one instead of the other?

1005
00:48:29,590 --> 00:48:31,683
So you're saying that
the Bible's a fairy tale?

1006
00:48:31,726 --> 00:48:34,627
God took my rib like this

1007
00:48:34,662 --> 00:48:36,596
and began to whittle it

1008
00:48:36,631 --> 00:48:38,496
like this

1009
00:48:38,533 --> 00:48:41,969
and blow on it...
and then...

1010
00:48:42,003 --> 00:48:44,767
Saved means believing
in Jesus Christ

1011
00:48:44,805 --> 00:48:46,568
- as the only begotten Son of God.
- Not for me, it don't.

1012
00:48:46,607 --> 00:48:48,507
What about the Muslims?

1013
00:48:48,543 --> 00:48:50,841
Many Muslims are
saved right now.

1014
00:48:50,878 --> 00:48:52,311
I don't get it.

1015
00:48:52,346 --> 00:48:54,746
I pray in your lifetime you do.

1016
00:48:54,782 --> 00:48:58,411
Jesus came through a Jew.
He was not the seed of man.

1017
00:48:58,452 --> 00:49:00,420
He came through
a Jewish woman,

1018
00:49:00,454 --> 00:49:02,046
but no man had
ever touched her.

1019
00:49:02,089 --> 00:49:04,114
No flesh had ever
touched her.

1020
00:49:04,158 --> 00:49:06,456
He was the seed of God.

1021
00:49:25,379 --> 00:49:26,971
You want me to lean up against
the tomb or something

1022
00:49:27,014 --> 00:49:30,040
or you want casual or... okay.

1023
00:49:30,084 --> 00:49:31,676
Did I give you my cell phone?

1024
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,017
Oh, I left my cell phone, right?
Just want to make sure.

1025
00:49:34,055 --> 00:49:35,955
Testing one two,
check, testing.

1026
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:38,857
How you doing, Bill?
God bless you.

1027
00:49:38,893 --> 00:49:40,121
- Hi.
- Seen you around.

1028
00:49:40,161 --> 00:49:42,561
- Welcome to our world.
- I've seen you around.

1029
00:49:42,597 --> 00:49:45,794
Now is this your tomb?
Is this a real rock?

1030
00:49:45,833 --> 00:49:48,461
No, it's just cement.
They just kind of cemented it in there.

1031
00:49:48,502 --> 00:49:51,232
So when you go out to dinner,
people recognize you?

1032
00:49:51,272 --> 00:49:52,569
All the time, yeah.

1033
00:49:52,607 --> 00:49:55,167
I think you get
a little bit of that, too.

1034
00:49:55,209 --> 00:49:58,736
But they don't think I'm the Lord.
You must really be...

1035
00:49:58,779 --> 00:50:01,748
Why do you think people come here?
'Cause Disneyland's too smutty?

1036
00:50:01,782 --> 00:50:03,511
I personally haven't been
to the Holy Land,

1037
00:50:03,551 --> 00:50:05,485
so this was an awesome experience
for me when I walked on the property.

1038
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:08,886
- I was like, "Wow, this is cool."
- Let me ask you questions

1039
00:50:08,923 --> 00:50:10,322
- about your business...
- Yes.

1040
00:50:10,358 --> 00:50:13,794
...or really the Jesus business.
God is super powerful.

1041
00:50:13,828 --> 00:50:15,489
- He can do anything.
- Sure.

1042
00:50:15,529 --> 00:50:18,692
Why doesn't
he just obliterate the devil

1043
00:50:18,733 --> 00:50:21,998
and therefore get rid
of evil in the world?

1044
00:50:22,036 --> 00:50:24,766
- He will.
- He will? What's he waiting for?

1045
00:50:24,805 --> 00:50:26,773
- End times.
- But why play it out like that?

1046
00:50:26,807 --> 00:50:29,241
- Why make it a game?
- Well, it's not necessarily a game.

1047
00:50:29,277 --> 00:50:32,405
A day is like a thousand years
in God's eyes, it says in the Bible.

1048
00:50:32,446 --> 00:50:34,812
If you wanna look at it...
just like two days ago, Christ died.

1049
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:38,376
But I know that he is
so far beyond any of our ways,

1050
00:50:38,419 --> 00:50:40,910
that he can work
the worst situation for his good.

1051
00:50:40,955 --> 00:50:42,946
What was the Holocaust?
Why was that good?

1052
00:50:42,990 --> 00:50:45,458
You know, God had a plan for that.
Maybe it's to cause...

1053
00:50:45,493 --> 00:50:47,290
I wonder if you would have thought
that if you were one of the people

1054
00:50:47,328 --> 00:50:49,421
- being pushed into an oven.
- Well, you know what?

1055
00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:51,795
It's like trying to explain
to an ant how a TV works.

1056
00:50:51,832 --> 00:50:54,357
That's... God's ways are
so much higher than ours.

1057
00:50:54,402 --> 00:50:57,132
There's no way
you can understand that.

1058
00:50:57,171 --> 00:50:58,968
We need to stop the interview
for just a moment, please.

1059
00:50:59,006 --> 00:51:00,837
- Nice to see you.
- Senior manager of public relations.

1060
00:51:00,875 --> 00:51:04,038
- Hi, Les, I'll be right with you.
- Hi. Sure.

1061
00:51:12,219 --> 00:51:14,483
I'm not afraid
of the piranha women.

1062
00:51:14,522 --> 00:51:17,150
When he came, he said, "I come not
to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."

1063
00:51:17,191 --> 00:51:19,716
You boil all those
Levitical laws down to two things:

1064
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,284
No other God is before me, Bill,

1065
00:51:21,329 --> 00:51:23,194
and love the Lord with all your heart.

1066
00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:24,993
But, Jesus, having
no other gods before you,

1067
00:51:25,032 --> 00:51:27,728
that's not moral.
There's nothing moral about that.

1068
00:51:27,768 --> 00:51:30,430
It's just something
a jealous god would do.

1069
00:51:30,471 --> 00:51:32,462
It does say that our God
is a jealous god.

1070
00:51:32,506 --> 00:51:36,203
But your God is jealous?
That seems so unGodlike

1071
00:51:36,243 --> 00:51:38,507
that God would have such
a petty human emotion.

1072
00:51:38,546 --> 00:51:41,014
I know people who have
gotten over jealousy,

1073
00:51:41,048 --> 00:51:43,107
- let alone God.
- There's two sides to the coin.

1074
00:51:43,150 --> 00:51:45,880
He's a just God
and he's also a merciful God.

1075
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,879
No, he spends the first five books
of the Bible wiping out people.

1076
00:51:49,924 --> 00:51:53,155
That's what he chose to do.
His ways are higher than ours, Bill.

1077
00:51:53,194 --> 00:51:55,822
- Maybe our thinking should be higher.
- That's a good point.

1078
00:51:55,863 --> 00:51:58,832
God has got
this God-sized hole in your life.

1079
00:51:58,866 --> 00:52:00,697
You can fit that
with any position...

1080
00:52:00,735 --> 00:52:03,329
drugs, sex, whatever you want...
it is not gonna fill it.

1081
00:52:03,371 --> 00:52:04,895
- Can I try?
- You can try all you want.

1082
00:52:04,939 --> 00:52:06,065
You're gonna end up
hurting yourself,

1083
00:52:06,107 --> 00:52:07,870
damaging yourself
and burning yourself up.

1084
00:52:07,908 --> 00:52:10,103
I thought Christ was
about not judging people.

1085
00:52:10,144 --> 00:52:12,374
- That's true.
- Isn't that a judgment there?

1086
00:52:12,413 --> 00:52:14,938
You don't know me and you're telling me
I need to fill a hole in my heart

1087
00:52:14,982 --> 00:52:17,007
- with drugs and sex.
- No, I'm not talking about you.

1088
00:52:17,051 --> 00:52:18,575
I'm saying anyone in general.

1089
00:52:18,619 --> 00:52:21,884
See, if I was God, I would create people
without the hole to begin with.

1090
00:52:21,922 --> 00:52:25,619
Have you ever had a little voice in
the back of your mind say something?

1091
00:52:25,659 --> 00:52:27,456
- We've all had that.
- That's called the Holy Spirit.

1092
00:52:27,495 --> 00:52:29,929
- That's not God. That's you.
- That's called the Holy Spirit.

1093
00:52:29,964 --> 00:52:31,261
- Feel this wind right now?
- Yeah.

1094
00:52:31,298 --> 00:52:33,266
Okay, where is it?
You don't know, right?

1095
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:35,928
- Yeah, it's called wind.
- Okay, that's like the Holy Spirit.

1096
00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:38,962
It's a monotheistic religion,
but there's three of them.

1097
00:52:39,006 --> 00:52:41,440
Just like water can be ice,
steam and water.

1098
00:52:41,475 --> 00:52:43,272
I see.

1099
00:52:43,310 --> 00:52:45,471
It's different forms, different shapes
for the different purposes.

1100
00:52:45,513 --> 00:52:47,674
The analogy that Jesus
at the amusement park

1101
00:52:47,715 --> 00:52:49,580
said yesterday was brilliant,

1102
00:52:49,617 --> 00:52:52,279
about the Trinity is like water.

1103
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:54,514
It can be steam. It can be ice.

1104
00:52:54,555 --> 00:52:57,388
It can be liquid.
Wow, that is...

1105
00:52:57,425 --> 00:53:00,360
boy, that stopped me
in my tracks for a second, you know?

1106
00:53:00,394 --> 00:53:02,294
That's just a brilliant analogy.

1107
00:53:02,329 --> 00:53:03,796
When you think about it
for two minutes,

1108
00:53:03,831 --> 00:53:06,322
it's still complete bullshit.

1109
00:53:06,367 --> 00:53:08,426
There this space God
and he's himself

1110
00:53:08,469 --> 00:53:10,733
and he sent himself
on a suicide mission.

1111
00:53:10,771 --> 00:53:13,797
He's a God, but he has a kid.
He's a single parent.

1112
00:53:13,841 --> 00:53:17,777
It's just silly, but when you put it
in the water analogy,

1113
00:53:17,812 --> 00:53:20,042
I can see that, you know,
those ladies there,

1114
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,207
when they heard that the first time,
they were like, done.

1115
00:53:22,249 --> 00:53:25,980
Sold. Oh, you had me
at ice cube.

1116
00:53:26,020 --> 00:53:28,648
Moving on.
Does it ever bother you

1117
00:53:28,689 --> 00:53:32,181
that the story of a man

1118
00:53:32,226 --> 00:53:35,627
who was born of a virgin
was resurrected?

1119
00:53:35,663 --> 00:53:38,860
Your bio was something that was
going around the Mediterranean

1120
00:53:38,899 --> 00:53:40,594
for at least 1,000 years.

1121
00:53:40,634 --> 00:53:43,296
We've got Krishna who was in India

1122
00:53:43,337 --> 00:53:45,931
1,000 years before Christ.
Krishna was a carpenter,

1123
00:53:45,973 --> 00:53:48,669
born of a virgin, baptized in a river.

1124
00:53:48,709 --> 00:53:50,677
Are you saying that
was written in history?

1125
00:53:50,711 --> 00:53:52,474
That was written down in history,
is that what you're saying?

1126
00:53:52,513 --> 00:53:56,176
Absolutely, there's the Persian god
Mithra, 600 years before Christ.

1127
00:53:56,217 --> 00:53:58,845
Born December 25th,
performed miracles,

1128
00:53:58,886 --> 00:54:00,786
resurrected on the third day,

1129
00:54:00,821 --> 00:54:04,279
known as the Lamb, the Way, the Truth,
the Light, the Savior, Messiah.

1130
00:54:04,325 --> 00:54:06,452
Stop! Blasphemer!

1131
00:54:06,494 --> 00:54:08,758
All I know is that
I don't go by that hearsay.

1132
00:54:08,796 --> 00:54:11,993
I go by the word of God.
I know that's why I believe.

1133
00:54:12,032 --> 00:54:14,933
- Well, I believe it because it's truth.
- Believe it, yes.

1134
00:54:14,969 --> 00:54:17,460
But there's a difference
between truth and what you believe.

1135
00:54:17,505 --> 00:54:20,770
In the Bible it tells us that all things
are possible with God, okay?

1136
00:54:20,808 --> 00:54:23,038
Study the religions
of the Mediterranean region

1137
00:54:23,077 --> 00:54:24,635
for a thousand years before.

1138
00:54:24,678 --> 00:54:28,546
Many of the gods were born
on December 25th.

1139
00:54:28,582 --> 00:54:31,244
- No, it's not.
- It's not a new one.

1140
00:54:31,285 --> 00:54:33,310
It's funny you should bring
that up because of course

1141
00:54:33,354 --> 00:54:35,015
in "Star Wars: Episode l...
The Phantom Menace,"

1142
00:54:35,055 --> 00:54:36,716
Anakin is born to a virgin.

1143
00:54:36,757 --> 00:54:38,088
People see that
and say, "Wait a second.

1144
00:54:38,125 --> 00:54:40,355
Where have we heard that before?"
That's not original.

1145
00:54:40,394 --> 00:54:43,158
- But the Jesus story wasn't original.
- How so?

1146
00:55:33,514 --> 00:55:36,108
Let me ask you a question.
Let's say, if you take the side

1147
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:39,415
- that this is all made up...
- I do.

1148
00:55:39,453 --> 00:55:40,784
...what if you're wrong?

1149
00:55:42,222 --> 00:55:43,951
What if you're wrong?

1150
00:55:54,501 --> 00:55:58,369
# Down the Via Dolorosa #

1151
00:55:58,405 --> 00:56:01,932
# In Jerusalem that day #

1152
00:56:01,976 --> 00:56:04,240
# The soldiers tried #

1153
00:56:04,278 --> 00:56:07,805
# To clear
the narrow street #

1154
00:56:09,283 --> 00:56:13,151
# But the crowd
pressed in to see #

1155
00:56:13,187 --> 00:56:15,417
# The man condemned to die #

1156
00:56:15,456 --> 00:56:18,516
# On Calvary #

1157
00:56:20,294 --> 00:56:23,457
# Down the Via Dolorosa #

1158
00:56:23,497 --> 00:56:27,194
# Called the Way of Suffering #

1159
00:56:27,234 --> 00:56:30,465
# Like a lamb came the Messiah #

1160
00:56:30,504 --> 00:56:32,768
# Christ the King #

1161
00:56:34,475 --> 00:56:37,444
# And he chose to walk that road #

1162
00:56:37,478 --> 00:56:40,538
# Out of his love #

1163
00:56:40,581 --> 00:56:42,811
# For you #

1164
00:56:42,850 --> 00:56:46,183
# And me. #

1165
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:08,470
Was Jesus a sinner?

1166
00:57:08,509 --> 00:57:12,138
One master. One word.
I am your master.

1167
00:57:14,882 --> 00:57:17,908
Who do we put away
in the asylums?

1168
00:57:25,526 --> 00:57:27,551
Xenu brought us here

1169
00:57:27,594 --> 00:57:29,562
75 million years ago,

1170
00:57:29,596 --> 00:57:32,292
stacked us around volcanoes

1171
00:57:32,332 --> 00:57:34,596
and blew them up with an H-bomb.

1172
00:57:37,971 --> 00:57:39,962
We are older than the universe.

1173
00:57:43,944 --> 00:57:46,208
You have to rid yourself

1174
00:57:46,246 --> 00:57:47,873
of the implants

1175
00:57:47,915 --> 00:57:51,009
from the extraterrestrial dictators!

1176
00:57:54,655 --> 00:57:58,284
- Get an E-Meter. Yes, get an E-Meter!
- An E-meter?

1177
00:58:01,929 --> 00:58:03,396
Audit yourself.

1178
00:58:06,767 --> 00:58:09,827
How do you people expect
to get to the next level?

1179
00:58:12,473 --> 00:58:14,498
I'm not making the rules.

1180
00:58:16,276 --> 00:58:18,267
Aw...

1181
00:58:20,314 --> 00:58:22,714
You know, Scientologists...

1182
00:58:25,753 --> 00:58:29,655
And right, you're like,
"Oh, yeah, that's some crazy shit. Okay.

1183
00:58:29,690 --> 00:58:32,625
Jesus with the virgin birth
and the dove and the snake

1184
00:58:32,659 --> 00:58:36,060
who talked in the garden,
that's cool.

1185
00:58:36,096 --> 00:58:39,259
But the Scientologists,
they're the crazy ones."

1186
00:58:39,299 --> 00:58:40,459
That's not true.

1187
00:58:40,501 --> 00:58:42,662
That... that...
I don't have any idea

1188
00:58:42,703 --> 00:58:44,933
of what
you're talking about.

1189
00:58:44,972 --> 00:58:46,997
But it has something to do
with making sure

1190
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,235
that we're born with a defect,

1191
00:58:49,276 --> 00:58:51,073
so that the souls of ours

1192
00:58:51,111 --> 00:58:53,477
are infected with aliens...

1193
00:58:53,514 --> 00:58:55,982
Thank you.

1194
00:58:56,016 --> 00:58:59,975
...because the cure?
Scientology.

1195
00:59:00,020 --> 00:59:03,456
They're all crazy.
Yes, the religions do get even crazier.

1196
00:59:03,490 --> 00:59:05,981
They have to to keep up.

1197
00:59:06,026 --> 00:59:08,460
They keep raising the bar.
After you've done the virgin birth,

1198
00:59:08,495 --> 00:59:10,656
you know,
where do you go?

1199
00:59:27,648 --> 00:59:29,343
We're not getting the top?

1200
00:59:29,383 --> 00:59:31,112
- We got the top.
- Oh, okay.

1201
00:59:31,151 --> 00:59:33,210
That's the Mormon Temple
behind me.

1202
00:59:33,253 --> 00:59:35,949
To be a Mormon is to believe
some really crazy stuff,

1203
00:59:35,989 --> 00:59:39,447
crazy even by the standards
of the big religions.

1204
00:59:39,493 --> 00:59:40,983
When you're the new kid
on the block...

1205
00:59:42,596 --> 00:59:45,793
Thank you.
That was helpful.

1206
00:59:45,833 --> 00:59:47,357
You're the new kid
on the block

1207
00:59:47,401 --> 00:59:49,164
and all the good crazy has
already been picked over,

1208
00:59:49,203 --> 00:59:51,694
so you kind of have to up the ante.

1209
00:59:51,738 --> 00:59:53,171
Oh.

1210
00:59:53,207 --> 00:59:55,072
God damn it.

1211
00:59:55,108 --> 00:59:57,599
Not while
I'm in the middle of it.

1212
00:59:59,580 --> 01:00:02,048
Well, we do have it.

1213
01:00:02,082 --> 01:00:03,174
Boy, a lot of people came

1214
01:00:03,217 --> 01:00:04,946
- out of the woodwork.
- Yeah.

1215
01:00:10,524 --> 01:00:12,719
So did you guys get anybody
from the church to talk to?

1216
01:00:12,759 --> 01:00:15,421
Well, if you count getting
thrown off the property

1217
01:00:15,462 --> 01:00:18,920
- "talked to."
- That's probably better.

1218
01:00:18,966 --> 01:00:22,231
We'd like you
to "Meet the Mormons."

1219
01:00:22,269 --> 01:00:24,635
In the founding scripture,
you open up the Doctrine of Covenants,

1220
01:00:24,671 --> 01:00:26,798
you read the autobiography
of Joseph Smith.

1221
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,003
He quotes Jesus Christ as telling him

1222
01:00:30,043 --> 01:00:32,273
that every other creed
on earth is, quote,

1223
01:00:32,312 --> 01:00:34,439
"an abomination."
An abomination.

1224
01:00:34,481 --> 01:00:36,915
I mean, that's not
a very ecumenical statement.

1225
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:39,942
You're talking about things that,
I think, at some level

1226
01:00:39,987 --> 01:00:42,615
you sense just
do not make sense.

1227
01:00:42,656 --> 01:00:45,819
I'm glad you said that because I read
some of the tenets of Mormonism,

1228
01:00:45,859 --> 01:00:49,022
like "God lives on a planet
near the star of Kalob."

1229
01:00:49,062 --> 01:00:50,791
- Kolob.
- Kolob.

1230
01:00:50,831 --> 01:00:53,766
God the Father who's a physical man
with a body of flesh and bone

1231
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,361
is probably about 6' tall,
lives on a place called Kolob,

1232
01:00:57,404 --> 01:01:00,737
had sexual relations with Mary...
remember he's a man.

1233
01:01:00,774 --> 01:01:03,299
"Jesus Christ was conceived
by God the father

1234
01:01:03,343 --> 01:01:05,368
having actual sex with Mary."

1235
01:01:05,412 --> 01:01:07,778
Mary said, "If this is what God wants,

1236
01:01:07,814 --> 01:01:09,645
I'll be glad to do His will."

1237
01:01:09,683 --> 01:01:11,651
"Dark skin is a curse from God,

1238
01:01:11,685 --> 01:01:13,277
but if you're sufficiently righteous,

1239
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,480
a dark-skinned person

1240
01:01:14,521 --> 01:01:16,785
can become light-skinned."

1241
01:01:16,823 --> 01:01:19,257
According to
the Book of Mormon,

1242
01:01:19,293 --> 01:01:21,761
after his resurrection,
Jesus came to the Americas

1243
01:01:21,795 --> 01:01:23,729
to preach to the Indians.

1244
01:01:23,764 --> 01:01:26,824
"That American Indians are
actually a lost tribe of Israel."

1245
01:01:26,867 --> 01:01:28,061
They're lost Jews.

1246
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:31,694
And also the idea

1247
01:01:31,738 --> 01:01:34,229
that Christianity
is American,

1248
01:01:34,274 --> 01:01:36,765
I think, is an amazing
entitlement to a people

1249
01:01:36,810 --> 01:01:40,576
who are always trying
to meld God and country.

1250
01:01:40,614 --> 01:01:43,947
The Garden of Eden was
in Missouri according to Mormonism.

1251
01:01:43,984 --> 01:01:45,849
The new Jerusalem
will be there.

1252
01:01:45,886 --> 01:01:47,786
Branson, I'm hoping.

1253
01:01:47,821 --> 01:01:50,756
I've also heard that the Mormon Church
baptizes dead people.

1254
01:01:50,791 --> 01:01:53,089
You can be baptized
for about 50 people,

1255
01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:55,151
100 people that've died.

1256
01:01:55,195 --> 01:01:57,925
And so you just get dunked
about 50 to 100 times.

1257
01:01:57,965 --> 01:01:59,523
That's baptism for the dead.

1258
01:01:59,566 --> 01:02:02,501
Caffeine is evil.
That magic underwear can protect you.

1259
01:02:10,310 --> 01:02:13,541
And that you need
a secret password to get into heaven.

1260
01:02:13,580 --> 01:02:15,878
Everyone must stand
at the final judgment

1261
01:02:15,916 --> 01:02:18,851
before Joseph Smith,
Jesus and Elohim.

1262
01:02:18,885 --> 01:02:20,352
This isn't an easy religion.

1263
01:02:20,387 --> 01:02:23,356
Why do you think it is that
so few people

1264
01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:25,483
do what you have done
and leave the church?

1265
01:02:25,525 --> 01:02:27,755
The moment you acknowledge
to yourself that Joseph Smith

1266
01:02:27,794 --> 01:02:31,753
did not tell the truth about
his experiences and his achievements,

1267
01:02:31,798 --> 01:02:34,631
you just committed
social suicide.

1268
01:02:34,668 --> 01:02:36,499
- Family and friends...
- Family and friends.

1269
01:02:36,536 --> 01:02:38,731
...will... you're off the deep end.

1270
01:02:38,772 --> 01:02:42,071
Dr. Andrew Newberg,
nice to meet you.

1271
01:02:42,109 --> 01:02:46,341
I've finally met someone
who's studied... neurotheology.

1272
01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:48,575
This is getting very close
to something I always say,

1273
01:02:48,615 --> 01:02:51,982
which is that religion is
a neurological disorder.

1274
01:02:52,019 --> 01:02:54,886
What does the brain look like
when it's hopped up on God?

1275
01:02:54,921 --> 01:02:57,082
We see a lot of different colors,
which help us to...

1276
01:02:57,124 --> 01:02:58,887
tell us what
the activity is in the brain

1277
01:02:58,925 --> 01:03:01,826
and what we have found is that
there are some very specific changes

1278
01:03:01,862 --> 01:03:04,353
when people are actually
meditating or praying

1279
01:03:04,398 --> 01:03:06,832
or even speaking in tongues,
which was our last study.

1280
01:03:06,867 --> 01:03:09,335
In the name of Jesus,

1281
01:03:09,369 --> 01:03:11,997
you've been made whole
by the power of God.

1282
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:14,200
- Speaking in tongues?
- We studied people speaking in tongues.

1283
01:03:14,241 --> 01:03:16,368
They're just babbling,
though, right?

1284
01:03:19,613 --> 01:03:21,672
They're not really speaking
in a language they don't know.

1285
01:03:21,715 --> 01:03:24,684
It's not an actual language,
but what's...

1286
01:03:24,718 --> 01:03:26,345
Just bullshit, Doc,
come on.

1287
01:03:26,386 --> 01:03:28,217
Isn't that something?

1288
01:03:41,134 --> 01:03:43,534
I love you.

1289
01:03:43,570 --> 01:03:46,903
So you would agree that
even if a billion people

1290
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:49,408
believe something,
it can still be ridiculous?

1291
01:03:49,443 --> 01:03:51,775
- Absolutely.
- But the Jews, I mean, they're...

1292
01:03:51,812 --> 01:03:54,576
excuse me, Jewish friends...
but they're as cuckoo as anybody,

1293
01:03:54,614 --> 01:03:56,582
especially the really Orthodox ones.

1294
01:03:56,616 --> 01:04:00,177
You are one of the
few Jewish people in the world

1295
01:04:00,220 --> 01:04:02,211
who does not believe
in the state of Israel.

1296
01:04:02,255 --> 01:04:03,688
You do not think the state

1297
01:04:03,723 --> 01:04:06,988
- of Israel should exist.
- Correct.

1298
01:04:07,027 --> 01:04:09,120
- Okay.
- God gave us the land of Israel.

1299
01:04:09,162 --> 01:04:13,258
On Mount Sinai where we made
this bond with God,

1300
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:15,860
He said, "I'm giving you the land,
but I'm stipulating...

1301
01:04:15,902 --> 01:04:19,303
very clearly stipulating... you must
be on a certain level of holiness."

1302
01:04:19,339 --> 01:04:21,068
You will see it clearly
that we were sent out of the land.

1303
01:04:21,108 --> 01:04:23,235
So basically you're saying that

1304
01:04:23,276 --> 01:04:25,437
the Jewish people have
not been holy enough

1305
01:04:25,479 --> 01:04:27,447
to deserve
the land of Israel.

1306
01:04:27,481 --> 01:04:29,346
God understands what is good for us,
what is bad for us...

1307
01:04:29,382 --> 01:04:31,577
- First of all...
...what will bring us safety or not.

1308
01:04:31,618 --> 01:04:32,607
Let me just finish.

1309
01:04:32,652 --> 01:04:34,779
God told us, though,
if you will go against God...

1310
01:04:34,821 --> 01:04:37,119
- God manipulates the world...
- Okay, l...

1311
01:04:37,157 --> 01:04:38,954
Wait a second.
Let me finish this.

1312
01:04:38,992 --> 01:04:41,017
God said if you're going
to try to make the state,

1313
01:04:41,061 --> 01:04:43,120
you will be unsuccessful.

1314
01:04:43,163 --> 01:04:44,721
You are looking through...

1315
01:04:44,764 --> 01:04:47,699
you're trying to look
at this world through a keyhole.

1316
01:04:47,734 --> 01:04:49,861
I'm looking through the key...

1317
01:04:49,903 --> 01:04:52,201
Let me finish.
God is compassionate.

1318
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:54,207
Everything is directly
from God, we believe.

1319
01:04:54,241 --> 01:04:57,176
- But it seems to me...
- I'll now explain what you're asking.

1320
01:04:57,210 --> 01:04:59,371
The concept of saying

1321
01:04:59,412 --> 01:05:01,972
that we've suffered
enough anti-Semitism...

1322
01:05:02,015 --> 01:05:03,676
Never again.

1323
01:05:03,717 --> 01:05:06,880
So you don't say "Never again."
You say "Again."

1324
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,889
Yeah. Let us understand
that the Jewish people

1325
01:05:09,923 --> 01:05:11,618
were living in exile
for 2,000 years

1326
01:05:11,658 --> 01:05:13,455
under God's protection

1327
01:05:13,493 --> 01:05:15,461
and we were living
in Western civilization...

1328
01:05:15,495 --> 01:05:17,588
- Germany, Poland. Not anymore...
- Let me finish.

1329
01:05:17,631 --> 01:05:19,565
We were living amongst
all nations throughout the years.

1330
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:21,726
...'cause they're all dead.
How many people died in the Holocaust?

1331
01:05:21,768 --> 01:05:25,169
You're jumping.
Let's jump to the Holocaust.

1332
01:05:25,205 --> 01:05:27,833
I thought the issue
was Jewish safety.

1333
01:05:27,874 --> 01:05:30,001
I thought the issue was
how many Jews are dying.

1334
01:05:30,043 --> 01:05:32,068
So let's talk
about Jewish safety.

1335
01:05:32,112 --> 01:05:34,103
Okay, I'm sure there was a few...

1336
01:05:34,147 --> 01:05:37,810
A couple million Jews died,
that's okay, that's the wording you use?

1337
01:05:37,851 --> 01:05:41,287
You're the one who went
to Iran in December 2006

1338
01:05:41,321 --> 01:05:43,016
for the president

1339
01:05:43,056 --> 01:05:46,355
of that country's
Holocaust "denial" conference.

1340
01:05:46,393 --> 01:05:48,224
Whoa, don't just throw words.

1341
01:05:59,406 --> 01:06:02,569
Why does Ahmadinejad say
that he wants Israel

1342
01:06:02,609 --> 01:06:04,133
- to be wiped from the face of the...
- When did he say that?

1343
01:06:04,177 --> 01:06:06,111
- He did.
- He never said that.

1344
01:06:06,146 --> 01:06:07,704
What did he say?
What was the exact quote?

1345
01:06:07,747 --> 01:06:11,945
- He said it should disappear.
- What, is he David Copperfield?

1346
01:06:11,985 --> 01:06:15,216
- That's chutzpah.
- Never again, Rabbi, never again.

1347
01:06:15,255 --> 01:06:17,120
Wait. One more second.

1348
01:06:17,157 --> 01:06:19,421
No, I'm out.

1349
01:06:21,461 --> 01:06:23,361
We have Conservatives.
We have Reforms.

1350
01:06:23,396 --> 01:06:24,658
We have the Orthodox.

1351
01:06:24,698 --> 01:06:27,292
You are an observing Jew.

1352
01:06:27,334 --> 01:06:29,199
It says it right there
in the fourth commandment:

1353
01:06:29,236 --> 01:06:31,727
Honor the Sabbath day
to keep it holy.

1354
01:06:31,771 --> 01:06:34,740
Friday night to Saturday night,
you don't do anything.

1355
01:06:34,774 --> 01:06:38,801
Yeah, the rabbis over the centuries
have created these prohibitions

1356
01:06:38,845 --> 01:06:41,279
as a way to try
to protect the day of rest.

1357
01:06:41,314 --> 01:06:45,114
You can't use electricity.
You can't drive.

1358
01:06:45,151 --> 01:06:48,746
Let's talk a little about
keeping the Sabbath holy.

1359
01:06:48,788 --> 01:06:51,313
I've always wondered
if it came about

1360
01:06:51,358 --> 01:06:54,418
because God rested
on the Sabbath

1361
01:06:54,461 --> 01:06:56,429
and that's why man has to.

1362
01:06:56,463 --> 01:06:58,431
That's right,
and that was the creation

1363
01:06:58,465 --> 01:07:00,330
of the seventh day,
that there should be rest.

1364
01:07:00,367 --> 01:07:03,803
There are 39 types of specific actions

1365
01:07:03,837 --> 01:07:06,328
that cannot be done on the Sabbath.

1366
01:07:06,373 --> 01:07:07,965
One of them is lighting a fire.

1367
01:07:08,008 --> 01:07:09,737
Planting. Another one is plowing.

1368
01:07:09,776 --> 01:07:11,573
Another one is
tying a knot, untying a knot.

1369
01:07:11,611 --> 01:07:14,580
One is building, and one is
destroying so as to build.

1370
01:07:14,614 --> 01:07:17,742
So much more kosher is
to develop these gadgets

1371
01:07:17,784 --> 01:07:20,184
- that figure out a way around it.
- That's right.

1372
01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:22,916
It does seem that you are,
to a degree,

1373
01:07:22,956 --> 01:07:25,015
trying to outsmart God.

1374
01:07:25,058 --> 01:07:28,357
If the lawmaker never
makes a mistake,

1375
01:07:28,395 --> 01:07:32,263
and still there's a loophole there,
why is that loophole there?

1376
01:07:32,299 --> 01:07:34,665
To be used in a situation of need.

1377
01:07:34,701 --> 01:07:37,101
But how did this get updated

1378
01:07:37,137 --> 01:07:38,764
for a 4,000-year-old rule?

1379
01:07:38,805 --> 01:07:40,670
It seems there's an awful lot

1380
01:07:40,707 --> 01:07:42,368
that has to do with electricity.

1381
01:07:42,409 --> 01:07:44,468
Rabbi Halperin's work here
is translating it

1382
01:07:44,511 --> 01:07:46,479
into something more modern.

1383
01:07:49,316 --> 01:07:51,284
Let's look at some
of the gadgets you have.

1384
01:07:51,318 --> 01:07:54,845
I'm particularly interested in
the phone. Is there not a cell phone?

1385
01:07:54,888 --> 01:07:56,651
It's not a cell phone.

1386
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:58,282
Okay, wow.

1387
01:07:58,325 --> 01:08:01,021
I have to say,
that looks modern.

1388
01:08:02,262 --> 01:08:05,823
Each number is trying
to dial itself all the time.

1389
01:08:07,834 --> 01:08:10,701
Hello. Hello.

1390
01:08:10,737 --> 01:08:12,398
When I take the stick

1391
01:08:12,439 --> 01:08:15,135
- and I put it into the hole...
- Hello.

1392
01:08:15,175 --> 01:08:17,268
...l'm inhibiting that
which is inhibiting

1393
01:08:17,310 --> 01:08:20,177
the number from dialing itself.

1394
01:08:20,213 --> 01:08:23,182
Let me ask about this.
It's obviously a wheelchair.

1395
01:08:23,216 --> 01:08:25,343
- May I?
- Sure.

1396
01:08:27,287 --> 01:08:30,222
Oh, wow.

1397
01:08:30,256 --> 01:08:32,520
And this is not the new model,
I'm guessing.

1398
01:08:32,559 --> 01:08:34,857
- This is the experimental prototype.
- I see.

1399
01:08:34,894 --> 01:08:37,226
Schmuck!

1400
01:08:37,263 --> 01:08:40,892
- This runs on air pressure, right?
- Correct.

1401
01:08:40,934 --> 01:08:43,061
Basically, we've got
150 atmospheres

1402
01:08:43,103 --> 01:08:45,071
of pressure here.

1403
01:08:45,105 --> 01:08:47,573
We've got the turning it on,
turning it off here.

1404
01:08:47,607 --> 01:08:49,768
So air is okay.

1405
01:08:49,809 --> 01:08:52,744
- Air good. Fire bad.
- Fire bad.

1406
01:08:52,779 --> 01:08:55,111
Fire bad!

1407
01:08:55,148 --> 01:08:57,241
We've taken an old bicycle...

1408
01:08:59,619 --> 01:09:01,746
- I forgot what it's called.
- Tire.

1409
01:09:01,788 --> 01:09:05,053
Okay. Air goes in,
air goes out.

1410
01:09:05,091 --> 01:09:06,752
If I was a person
in that wheelchair,

1411
01:09:06,793 --> 01:09:09,853
I might say to myself,
"Why am I going to these lengths

1412
01:09:09,896 --> 01:09:13,388
to please God, who's taken away
my legs to begin with?"

1413
01:09:13,433 --> 01:09:16,766
Okay.

1414
01:09:16,803 --> 01:09:18,930
That would be fascinating.
It's an elevator.

1415
01:09:18,972 --> 01:09:20,997
Oh, it's a Shabbatavator.

1416
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,099
Let me guess,
you can't push a button...

1417
01:09:23,143 --> 01:09:25,668
- Correct.
...on the Sabbath.

1418
01:09:25,712 --> 01:09:29,478
The issues behind the scenes that
people don't see are the real problems.

1419
01:09:29,516 --> 01:09:31,814
An even bigger problem might
be how do you get someone

1420
01:09:31,851 --> 01:09:35,480
to put this in their building if
they're not completely nuts?

1421
01:09:35,522 --> 01:09:38,047
Well, actually, that really
doesn't make a difference.

1422
01:09:38,091 --> 01:09:39,319
Hmm.

1423
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,850
How we define what is
crazy or not crazy

1424
01:09:41,895 --> 01:09:46,457
about religions is ultimately up
to how we define crazy.

1425
01:09:46,499 --> 01:09:49,161
If you define mental illness
as anyone who hears a voice

1426
01:09:49,202 --> 01:09:52,638
talking to them, then anyone who has
heard the voice of God is crazy.

1427
01:10:10,657 --> 01:10:12,454
She talks about a prophecy

1428
01:10:12,492 --> 01:10:15,620
that these children needed to die.

1429
01:10:17,297 --> 01:10:20,027
The dispatcher asked
"Why did you do this?"

1430
01:10:20,066 --> 01:10:22,899
"I was told to."
"Who told you?" "God."

1431
01:10:26,306 --> 01:10:28,274
There is nothing

1432
01:10:28,308 --> 01:10:30,674
He may not ask of thee?

1433
01:10:32,011 --> 01:10:34,070
But in layman's terms,
Jesus was nuts.

1434
01:10:34,113 --> 01:10:36,843
Moses..."Stay here,
I'm going up

1435
01:10:36,883 --> 01:10:38,976
and getting the 10 Commandments
right from God."

1436
01:10:39,018 --> 01:10:41,077
You know, 'cause one
thing I've also...

1437
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,714
We didn't have brain-scan technology
back then, so it's a hard to tell.

1438
01:10:43,756 --> 01:10:46,520
I know, but if a guy says he went
up on a mountain and he talked to God,

1439
01:10:46,559 --> 01:10:48,584
and He talked to him
through a burning bush,

1440
01:10:48,628 --> 01:10:50,562
that guy's a cuckoo.

1441
01:11:08,915 --> 01:11:11,247
All those pastors who refer to me

1442
01:11:11,284 --> 01:11:14,253
as the anti-Christ, false prophet,

1443
01:11:14,287 --> 01:11:16,847
it's because they're miserable.

1444
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:20,485
Anyone who doesn't believe
in me is miserable.

1445
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:28,793
- My mike is on?
- Yes, sir.

1446
01:11:28,835 --> 01:11:31,133
Okay, who are you Biblically?

1447
01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:35,903
I am Jesus Christ man,
the second coming of Christ, I am.

1448
01:11:35,942 --> 01:11:38,240
The Old Testament speaks
about me clearly

1449
01:11:38,278 --> 01:11:39,939
and the New Testament also.

1450
01:11:39,979 --> 01:11:42,379
- About you personally?
- Yes.

1451
01:11:42,415 --> 01:11:45,816
Not just because you have...
you share the name Jesus?

1452
01:11:45,852 --> 01:11:48,616
- No, not because of that.
- You also share the name Miranda.

1453
01:11:48,655 --> 01:11:50,350
Maybe you're Carmen Miranda.

1454
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:52,381
Maybe the second coming of her?

1455
01:11:52,425 --> 01:11:55,917
You should have fruit on your head,
instead of fruit in your head.

1456
01:11:57,931 --> 01:11:59,592
Okay. Fuck you.
How's that?

1457
01:11:59,632 --> 01:12:03,033
Why do you think
God chose you?

1458
01:12:03,069 --> 01:12:06,095
Jesus of Nazareth had a wife

1459
01:12:06,139 --> 01:12:09,074
so after they killed him,

1460
01:12:09,108 --> 01:12:13,044
his seed kept going,
maybe through France, Spain,

1461
01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:16,412
and then from Spain,
came to Puerto Rico.

1462
01:12:18,251 --> 01:12:21,584
The bloodline come
from Abraham, Abraham to David,

1463
01:12:21,621 --> 01:12:23,282
David to Jesus of Nazareth,

1464
01:12:23,323 --> 01:12:25,951
Jesus of Nazareth, me.

1465
01:12:25,992 --> 01:12:28,483
Okay, I though a second coming

1466
01:12:28,528 --> 01:12:31,326
was the reincarnation

1467
01:12:31,364 --> 01:12:33,594
of the Christ himself,

1468
01:12:33,633 --> 01:12:35,863
not a descendant of.

1469
01:12:35,902 --> 01:12:37,767
No, he's a descendant.

1470
01:12:37,804 --> 01:12:40,932
Descendant? Oh... but
you don't believe in hell?

1471
01:12:40,974 --> 01:12:43,033
- No.
- Or the Devil?

1472
01:12:43,076 --> 01:12:45,601
- No.
- Or even sin, right?

1473
01:12:45,645 --> 01:12:47,909
No, there's not
a sin any longer.

1474
01:12:47,947 --> 01:12:51,906
What you teach is that
Jesus died for our sins

1475
01:12:51,951 --> 01:12:55,387
and so there's not really
any sinning anymore.

1476
01:12:55,421 --> 01:12:59,016
- No more sin.
- This is like a diet doctor saying,

1477
01:12:59,058 --> 01:13:00,855
- "Eat anything you want."
- Right.

1478
01:13:00,893 --> 01:13:03,157
"You don't lose weight,
but it's easy to stick to."

1479
01:13:03,196 --> 01:13:04,322
That's what I believe, Bill.

1480
01:13:04,364 --> 01:13:06,264
Oh, I know you do.

1481
01:13:06,299 --> 01:13:08,859
And I have many people
who believe in this.

1482
01:13:08,901 --> 01:13:10,869
And yet, you have a little...
you have a little twinkle

1483
01:13:10,903 --> 01:13:12,871
in your eye when say it.

1484
01:13:12,905 --> 01:13:15,931
No, I believe in that.
I believe.

1485
01:13:15,975 --> 01:13:19,934
How do we know? Because lots
of people would like this job.

1486
01:13:19,979 --> 01:13:21,844
How do you get this job
as the second coming?

1487
01:13:21,881 --> 01:13:23,439
It's not on Craigslist.

1488
01:13:23,483 --> 01:13:26,043
- Yeah.
- I'm guessing. Maybe it is.

1489
01:13:26,085 --> 01:13:27,211
See, two angels...

1490
01:13:27,253 --> 01:13:29,517
Two guys named Angel,
Spanish guys.

1491
01:13:30,923 --> 01:13:32,618
You know what I'm talking about,

1492
01:13:32,659 --> 01:13:35,219
you fucking cockroach!

1493
01:13:35,261 --> 01:13:37,229
- No.
- Oh, actual angels.

1494
01:13:37,263 --> 01:13:39,561
- Two angels came to me...
- Okay.

1495
01:13:39,599 --> 01:13:41,863
...and they told me

1496
01:13:41,901 --> 01:13:44,392
"The Lord of Lords
and King of Kings

1497
01:13:44,437 --> 01:13:47,338
is coming to anoint you
for the ministry tonight."

1498
01:13:47,373 --> 01:13:49,967
What form did the angels come in?
How tall?

1499
01:13:50,009 --> 01:13:52,000
Little tall and strong.

1500
01:13:52,045 --> 01:13:53,842
Whatever they told me,
I obey.

1501
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,973
I don't wanna mess
with them.

1502
01:13:56,015 --> 01:13:57,539
But I'm just saying,

1503
01:13:57,583 --> 01:14:00,177
it seems that if God wanted

1504
01:14:00,219 --> 01:14:02,517
to communicate something
to the world...

1505
01:14:02,555 --> 01:14:04,682
He's all powerful...

1506
01:14:04,724 --> 01:14:07,818
He would just talk
to the whole world.

1507
01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:11,227
It always seems
He picks out a prophet in private

1508
01:14:11,264 --> 01:14:14,199
and tells them,
"Okay, you're the prophet."

1509
01:14:14,233 --> 01:14:16,895
- I am.
- "You go tell the rest of the world."

1510
01:14:16,936 --> 01:14:18,665
So we just sort of
have to take it on faith.

1511
01:14:18,705 --> 01:14:20,900
We just sort of
have to believe you.

1512
01:14:20,940 --> 01:14:23,067
Right, yeah, it's true.

1513
01:14:26,112 --> 01:14:29,104
Abraham. Noah.

1514
01:14:29,148 --> 01:14:31,673
Lord, what shall I do?

1515
01:14:31,718 --> 01:14:33,208
Moses,

1516
01:14:33,252 --> 01:14:35,777
climb the mount alone.

1517
01:14:35,822 --> 01:14:38,757
Once again, the Lord had
spoken to Joseph Smith

1518
01:14:38,791 --> 01:14:41,191
as he had to Adam, Abraham,

1519
01:14:41,227 --> 01:14:44,958
Moses, Paul and others.

1520
01:14:44,997 --> 01:14:47,022
I am the first Christian.

1521
01:14:47,066 --> 01:14:50,695
And the rest are really
kind of Jewish, you're saying,

1522
01:14:50,737 --> 01:14:52,762
because they're following a Jew.

1523
01:14:52,805 --> 01:14:54,432
That's it.

1524
01:14:54,474 --> 01:14:56,442
In fact, they put on the plates...

1525
01:14:56,476 --> 01:14:59,343
they say "My boss is
a Jewish carpenter."

1526
01:14:59,378 --> 01:15:02,870
How ridiculous is that?
A Jewish carpenter!

1527
01:15:02,915 --> 01:15:05,383
- Imagine.
- Come on, Jews hire carpenters.

1528
01:15:05,418 --> 01:15:07,045
They don't...

1529
01:15:07,086 --> 01:15:10,385
you know, people say
"I found my calling in life."

1530
01:15:10,423 --> 01:15:12,653
And it's a good calling.
It's a nice living.

1531
01:15:12,692 --> 01:15:15,058
People adore you.
Everywhere you go,

1532
01:15:15,094 --> 01:15:17,927
they treat you like Christ,
like you're the Messiah.

1533
01:15:17,964 --> 01:15:21,365
You know, if I discovered
that I was Satan in person,

1534
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,265
I would do a good job, too,

1535
01:15:23,302 --> 01:15:25,770
because I would be
faithful to my calling.

1536
01:15:25,805 --> 01:15:28,069
It's how you do
your work, isn't it?

1537
01:15:28,107 --> 01:15:30,041
You know, at the end of the day,
whether you're the Messiah

1538
01:15:30,076 --> 01:15:32,544
or you're Satan,
it's loving what you do

1539
01:15:32,578 --> 01:15:34,341
and giving it 100%.

1540
01:15:34,380 --> 01:15:36,314
I give 100%.

1541
01:15:36,349 --> 01:15:40,080
I wasn't born skeptical.

1542
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:43,247
I was still making deals
with "God" when I was 40.

1543
01:15:43,289 --> 01:15:45,189
I remember I quit smoking.

1544
01:15:45,224 --> 01:15:47,624
There was some shitty problem
I had in my life,

1545
01:15:47,660 --> 01:15:49,423
and I made
a deal with God,

1546
01:15:49,462 --> 01:15:51,487
"Okay, if you make
this problem go away,

1547
01:15:51,531 --> 01:15:54,398
I will quit smoking,
and I won't go back on it

1548
01:15:54,433 --> 01:15:57,163
'cause I'd know I'd be going back
on a deal with God."

1549
01:15:57,203 --> 01:15:59,000
And you know, I gotta say,

1550
01:15:59,038 --> 01:16:01,632
I'm kind of glad I had "God"

1551
01:16:01,674 --> 01:16:03,369
in my life.

1552
01:16:03,409 --> 01:16:05,877
You are the head

1553
01:16:05,912 --> 01:16:10,315
of the First Universal Church
of Cantheism...

1554
01:16:10,349 --> 01:16:12,943
- Yes.
...which is really built around

1555
01:16:12,985 --> 01:16:15,715
- this substance here.
- No.

1556
01:16:15,755 --> 01:16:18,883
No? Okay, I got that wrong.

1557
01:16:18,925 --> 01:16:20,950
But it's built
around smoking this.

1558
01:16:20,993 --> 01:16:23,291
I mean, it has no dogma, right?

1559
01:16:23,329 --> 01:16:24,956
You're not preaching to anybody.
You're not saying

1560
01:16:24,997 --> 01:16:27,727
- you'll save their souls, no rituals.
- No.

1561
01:16:27,767 --> 01:16:29,792
How does this differ
from just getting wasted?

1562
01:16:29,836 --> 01:16:31,963
I mean that
in the best possible way, but...

1563
01:16:32,004 --> 01:16:34,199
I understand
the concept of God,

1564
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,403
a feeling of one
with everything else.

1565
01:16:37,443 --> 01:16:40,037
Do you feel that
every time you smoke pot?

1566
01:16:40,079 --> 01:16:42,206
No.

1567
01:16:42,248 --> 01:16:44,580
Phew! I thought it was just me.

1568
01:16:44,617 --> 01:16:48,212
So why do you think
it's this family of drugs

1569
01:16:48,254 --> 01:16:51,348
that's so good
for opening our minds

1570
01:16:51,390 --> 01:16:53,324
as opposed to ludes, PCP,

1571
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:56,795
or smashing up your mother's diet pills
and smoking 'em in a pipe?

1572
01:16:58,431 --> 01:17:00,626
I don't know.
I don't know.

1573
01:17:04,570 --> 01:17:06,834
So I did want
to get your thoughts

1574
01:17:06,873 --> 01:17:09,467
about what's going on in this city.
This is your city.

1575
01:17:09,508 --> 01:17:12,409
There's a lot
of controversy with...

1576
01:17:12,445 --> 01:17:14,572
maybe the Dutch
are so tolerant

1577
01:17:14,614 --> 01:17:17,549
that they're now
tolerating intolerance.

1578
01:17:17,583 --> 01:17:20,177
There's a lot of tension
with the Muslim community.

1579
01:17:20,219 --> 01:17:23,382
It's all religious fundamentalists.

1580
01:17:23,422 --> 01:17:25,822
They already killed
Theo Van Gogh,

1581
01:17:25,858 --> 01:17:28,952
who was a known
television maker.

1582
01:17:28,995 --> 01:17:32,522
This is the spot
where Theo Van Gogh

1583
01:17:32,565 --> 01:17:35,466
- was assassinated?
- This is exactly the spot.

1584
01:17:35,501 --> 01:17:38,026
He was a Dutch filmmaker.
He made a 10-minute film.

1585
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:41,836
It was deeply offensive
to Muslims.

1586
01:17:41,874 --> 01:17:45,173
Oh, Allah, you say
that men are the protectors

1587
01:17:45,211 --> 01:17:47,111
and maintainers of women

1588
01:17:47,146 --> 01:17:49,910
because you have given
the one more strength than the other.

1589
01:17:49,949 --> 01:17:51,678
I feel at least once a week,

1590
01:17:51,717 --> 01:17:54,311
the strength of my husband's fist

1591
01:17:54,353 --> 01:17:56,082
on my face.

1592
01:17:56,122 --> 01:17:58,613
Lots of people think
that free speech

1593
01:17:58,658 --> 01:18:03,425
goes right up to this point and then
when you're talking about religion,

1594
01:18:03,462 --> 01:18:06,954
when you're talking
about the Prophet, all bets are off.

1595
01:18:06,999 --> 01:18:09,092
It goes both ways,
freedom of speech.

1596
01:18:09,135 --> 01:18:11,695
It goes both ways,
but the people who actually...

1597
01:18:11,737 --> 01:18:15,571
usually do the killing for it
wind up on the Muslim side.

1598
01:18:15,608 --> 01:18:18,600
Do you think that says something
about the different cultures?

1599
01:18:18,644 --> 01:18:21,078
I don't want to have
the image of the Muslims,

1600
01:18:21,113 --> 01:18:22,774
you know, if they don't like
something you say,

1601
01:18:22,815 --> 01:18:24,282
they kill you, because it's not.

1602
01:18:25,851 --> 01:18:29,617
It was a noisy crowd outside
the Danish embassy in London

1603
01:18:29,655 --> 01:18:33,352
as speakers condemned the cartoons
portraying the Prophet Mohammed.

1604
01:18:33,392 --> 01:18:36,884
I wish I could get
your music in America,

1605
01:18:36,929 --> 01:18:41,093
but considering how controversial
it's been here in England...

1606
01:18:46,539 --> 01:18:48,404
Initially, when I did the record,

1607
01:18:48,441 --> 01:18:50,636
a lot of people supported it,

1608
01:18:50,676 --> 01:18:53,839
but then,
in the current times that we're in,

1609
01:18:53,879 --> 01:18:55,369
people got really scared.

1610
01:18:55,414 --> 01:18:57,905
It just shows
the stupidity of society,

1611
01:18:57,950 --> 01:19:01,351
which refuses
to discuss,

1612
01:19:01,387 --> 01:19:04,322
debate things
in an intelligent way.

1613
01:19:04,357 --> 01:19:05,881
And I don't except that.

1614
01:19:05,925 --> 01:19:07,790
I just put my middle finger up.

1615
01:19:07,827 --> 01:19:10,193
One of your big gripes...
and it's a valid one...

1616
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:13,596
you keep saying that...
in fact, let me read your quote.

1617
01:19:13,632 --> 01:19:15,600
You said, "Anyone worried
about what I'm saying

1618
01:19:15,634 --> 01:19:19,365
should get involved in the debate.
You are allowed to dissent.

1619
01:19:19,405 --> 01:19:21,669
- That is a right."
- Yeah.

1620
01:19:21,707 --> 01:19:25,302
But is that a right
in Islam, to dissent?

1621
01:19:25,344 --> 01:19:27,437
Of course it is. Why do you think
there's so many schools of thought?

1622
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:31,211
- Why do you think there's...
- It wasn't a right for Salman Rushdie.

1623
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:33,218
The demonstrators set off
from Hyde Park,

1624
01:19:33,252 --> 01:19:35,914
bringing much
of central London to a standstill.

1625
01:19:35,955 --> 01:19:39,152
Their hatred focused
on Salman Rushdie and his book.

1626
01:19:39,191 --> 01:19:42,024
The mullahs pressed home
their message in thousands of mosques...

1627
01:19:42,061 --> 01:19:44,052
Salman Rushdie must be killed.

1628
01:19:44,096 --> 01:19:46,792
See, Salman Rushdie
was there to provoke,

1629
01:19:46,832 --> 01:19:49,630
insult, and he did it
intentionally, right?

1630
01:19:49,668 --> 01:19:51,329
But should you die
for that?

1631
01:19:51,370 --> 01:19:53,702
No no, well, I mean,
like, that was...

1632
01:19:53,739 --> 01:19:55,434
you know, it's easy
for you to say

1633
01:19:55,474 --> 01:19:57,567
things are kind of
in black and white.

1634
01:19:57,610 --> 01:19:59,976
They're more complex than that.

1635
01:20:00,012 --> 01:20:02,207
There's emotions and passions

1636
01:20:02,248 --> 01:20:04,239
and philosophy involved

1637
01:20:04,283 --> 01:20:06,877
- and all that stuff.
- You know, all you gotta say is

1638
01:20:06,919 --> 01:20:10,411
it's wrong for someone
to have to suffer a death threat

1639
01:20:10,456 --> 01:20:12,981
- for writing a book.
- Well, hang on.

1640
01:20:13,025 --> 01:20:14,515
But apparently, it's more
complicated than that.

1641
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,290
Well, it is because...
but I mean, Western...

1642
01:20:17,329 --> 01:20:19,729
We'll never see
eye to eye there,

1643
01:20:19,765 --> 01:20:22,097
but you want that
protection for yourself.

1644
01:20:22,134 --> 01:20:24,102
No, I think
these debates are a lot...

1645
01:20:24,136 --> 01:20:27,970
I'm willing to discuss 'em
in terms of facts and not fictions.

1646
01:20:28,007 --> 01:20:29,531
When you disagree with me,
it's a fiction.

1647
01:20:29,575 --> 01:20:31,440
- No no.
- You have the truth

1648
01:20:31,477 --> 01:20:32,967
- and I have the fiction.
- No, I don't have the truth.

1649
01:20:33,012 --> 01:20:34,877
But you don't see that
there's a fundamental hypocrisy

1650
01:20:34,914 --> 01:20:37,007
of you asking
for the right to dissent

1651
01:20:37,049 --> 01:20:39,142
and somebody else
getting a death threat?

1652
01:20:39,185 --> 01:20:42,484
No no, 'cause my dissent is
to stop the madness.

1653
01:20:47,893 --> 01:20:49,918
I'm here with Geert Wilders
here in The Hague,

1654
01:20:49,962 --> 01:20:51,589
which of course is
home to the World Court,

1655
01:20:51,630 --> 01:20:53,427
but also to the Dutch Parliament.

1656
01:20:53,466 --> 01:20:56,594
You are taking
a kind of hard line here

1657
01:20:56,635 --> 01:20:58,330
in the Netherlands.

1658
01:20:58,370 --> 01:21:01,669
Islam is, according to me,
a violent religion.

1659
01:21:01,707 --> 01:21:03,675
The Koran is a violent book

1660
01:21:03,709 --> 01:21:05,677
and Mohammed was
a violent prophet.

1661
01:21:05,711 --> 01:21:08,179
Do you think Islam wants
to take over the world?

1662
01:21:08,214 --> 01:21:10,375
- They don't even make...
- Right right.

1663
01:21:10,416 --> 01:21:12,111
...a secret about it.

1664
01:21:12,151 --> 01:21:13,675
We are infidels.

1665
01:21:13,719 --> 01:21:16,950
I mean, we should either become
Islamic or we should be killed.

1666
01:21:16,989 --> 01:21:19,082
This is what they say.
This is what they are proud of.

1667
01:21:19,125 --> 01:21:21,457
Okay, we're here at Habibi Ana.

1668
01:21:21,494 --> 01:21:23,519
- Did I say that right?
- Yeah.

1669
01:21:23,562 --> 01:21:25,496
You guys, really...
I mean,

1670
01:21:25,531 --> 01:21:27,465
gay Muslim activists,

1671
01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:31,027
that is a very rare job description.
You guys have balls.

1672
01:21:32,705 --> 01:21:34,400
How big is
the gay community...

1673
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:37,637
the gay Muslim community
here in Amsterdam?

1674
01:21:37,676 --> 01:21:39,974
Or is this it?

1675
01:21:40,012 --> 01:21:43,971
I mean, I'm guessing,
Thursday isn't...

1676
01:21:44,016 --> 01:21:46,712
isn't gay night here.

1677
01:21:46,752 --> 01:21:49,312
I hope you guys find
each other attractive,

1678
01:21:49,355 --> 01:21:51,448
'cause otherwise...

1679
01:21:51,490 --> 01:21:52,889
you don't feel afraid?

1680
01:21:52,925 --> 01:21:54,324
Here in Holland I'm not,

1681
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,828
but when I came from my country,
I was very afraid.

1682
01:21:56,862 --> 01:21:58,159
There was an article of law:

1683
01:21:58,197 --> 01:22:00,358
Punish the gay
for one year just because he's gay.

1684
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:02,959
- Just being gay can get you a year.
- Just being gay.

1685
01:22:03,002 --> 01:22:04,560
Same as Alabama.

1686
01:22:06,005 --> 01:22:08,803
What I learned is that
they're not really...

1687
01:22:08,841 --> 01:22:11,469
they're not specific
against homosexuality.

1688
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:14,070
They're not specific against,
in other words,

1689
01:22:14,113 --> 01:22:16,547
the desire
of a man for a man.

1690
01:22:16,582 --> 01:22:20,074
What they are against
is specific behavior,

1691
01:22:20,119 --> 01:22:21,882
like anal sex.

1692
01:22:21,921 --> 01:22:26,017
They don't say homosexuality,
heterosexuality.

1693
01:22:26,058 --> 01:22:28,856
They just don't want you doing it
in the naughty place,

1694
01:22:28,894 --> 01:22:30,452
which I guess,

1695
01:22:30,496 --> 01:22:33,192
if you put that out
of the picture in homosexuality,

1696
01:22:33,232 --> 01:22:36,724
what do you have left?
Just the blowjob.

1697
01:22:38,604 --> 01:22:40,162
What do you think
when people say

1698
01:22:40,206 --> 01:22:42,470
it affects your memory,

1699
01:22:42,508 --> 01:22:44,703
especially your
short-term memory?

1700
01:22:44,743 --> 01:22:47,940
- It does.
- And what do you think when people say

1701
01:22:47,980 --> 01:22:51,416
that it affects your memory,
your short-term memory?

1702
01:22:51,450 --> 01:22:53,247
It does.

1703
01:22:55,588 --> 01:22:59,046
- I like my hat.
- It's good. You look good, too.

1704
01:22:59,091 --> 01:23:01,218
I think I do.
I think I might adopt this look.

1705
01:23:01,260 --> 01:23:02,249
Yes.

1706
01:23:02,294 --> 01:23:04,524
Is there a reason
why you have a black hat

1707
01:23:04,563 --> 01:23:06,087
and I have a white hat?

1708
01:23:06,131 --> 01:23:08,463
We have any color you like.

1709
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:11,469
So I bought this.
I like it myself

1710
01:23:11,503 --> 01:23:13,698
because I like the color.

1711
01:23:13,739 --> 01:23:17,539
There is a lot of tension
in the last five years or so.

1712
01:23:17,576 --> 01:23:21,569
Is Islam a threat
to Dutch values?

1713
01:23:21,614 --> 01:23:24,105
Islam is preaching,

1714
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:26,140
above all, peace.

1715
01:23:26,185 --> 01:23:28,415
Peace, peace and peace.

1716
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:53,109
The name Islam means peace.

1717
01:23:53,145 --> 01:23:55,443
And yet it is involved
in a lot of war and violence.

1718
01:23:55,481 --> 01:23:57,346
Yeah, it's just all politics.

1719
01:23:57,383 --> 01:23:59,248
- Nothing to do with religion?
- No no.

1720
01:23:59,285 --> 01:24:00,912
- No?
- No, sir.

1721
01:24:00,953 --> 01:24:02,921
- It's political.
- It's politics.

1722
01:24:02,955 --> 01:24:04,752
Seems to be
a lot of passages

1723
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:07,190
that say the infidel

1724
01:24:07,226 --> 01:24:10,525
is not the equal
of the believer.

1725
01:24:10,562 --> 01:24:12,621
The infidel will die in hell.

1726
01:24:12,665 --> 01:24:15,634
Don't feel bad
about hating the infidel.

1727
01:24:15,668 --> 01:24:18,796
- No.
- No?

1728
01:24:18,837 --> 01:24:20,828
Boy, I've got
bad information.

1729
01:24:20,873 --> 01:24:22,135
Yes, you have.
I think so.

1730
01:24:22,174 --> 01:24:24,768
- No no no no no.
- No no no no.

1731
01:24:24,810 --> 01:24:26,368
- No no no no.
- No.

1732
01:24:26,412 --> 01:24:29,040
No? No. I'm wrong
about everything.

1733
01:24:29,081 --> 01:24:32,812
The way I perceive things in the Koran
is not about killing infidels.

1734
01:24:32,851 --> 01:24:35,615
- But you have read it in there?
- Of course I've read the Koran.

1735
01:24:35,654 --> 01:24:38,487
You've read those passages, and what
did you think when you read them?

1736
01:24:38,524 --> 01:24:41,049
No, but I explain those
passages within the time

1737
01:24:41,093 --> 01:24:43,186
in which they emerged
in the world.

1738
01:24:43,228 --> 01:24:44,718
That's not how people
read holy books.

1739
01:24:44,763 --> 01:24:46,355
People don't read
holy books and go,

1740
01:24:46,398 --> 01:24:49,060
"Well, that was good for then."
People who read holy books and go,

1741
01:24:49,101 --> 01:24:51,262
"This is the word of God.
It's forever!"

1742
01:24:51,303 --> 01:24:54,204
- No, I don't agree.
- That's how most people do it.

1743
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:56,833
I just don't buy it
that these guys are

1744
01:24:56,875 --> 01:24:59,139
in this state of denial.

1745
01:24:59,178 --> 01:25:01,874
I think they're just
in a state of denial

1746
01:25:01,914 --> 01:25:03,905
to an outsider.

1747
01:25:03,949 --> 01:25:06,679
They will not admit
anything is wrong

1748
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:09,415
with their culture
to an outsider.

1749
01:25:09,455 --> 01:25:11,548
Muslims were imperialists

1750
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:14,320
in the century
after Mohammed's death.

1751
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,022
They conquered most
of the known world

1752
01:25:17,062 --> 01:25:18,757
in one century.

1753
01:25:18,797 --> 01:25:21,732
Yeah, it is possible.

1754
01:25:21,767 --> 01:25:23,667
You call it conquer.

1755
01:25:23,702 --> 01:25:25,431
I think they were trying

1756
01:25:25,471 --> 01:25:28,440
to spread Islam.

1757
01:25:28,474 --> 01:25:32,069
Well, they were, but they weren't doing
it by singing "Kumbaya."

1758
01:25:32,111 --> 01:25:34,045
Excuse me.

1759
01:25:35,214 --> 01:25:36,909
Sorry.

1760
01:25:36,949 --> 01:25:39,941
Oh, that 21st century's
always busting in.

1761
01:25:41,987 --> 01:25:44,012
I'm going to shut it off.

1762
01:25:44,056 --> 01:25:48,015
I love it that he's got "Kashmir"
as his ringtone.

1763
01:25:52,765 --> 01:25:54,756
Okay, I shut it off.

1764
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,098
- Sorry, I was...
- Yeah...

1765
01:25:59,171 --> 01:26:00,160
Politics, okay.

1766
01:26:02,908 --> 01:26:05,900
Do you think it's possible
that when we're on something

1767
01:26:05,944 --> 01:26:07,775
like marijuana
or mushrooms

1768
01:26:07,813 --> 01:26:10,873
and believe we're having a very
spiritual experience,

1769
01:26:10,916 --> 01:26:13,441
that we're just high?

1770
01:26:13,485 --> 01:26:16,579
- It's... it's...
- Oh, look out your head's on fire!

1771
01:26:16,622 --> 01:26:18,817
Boy, talk about
the light bulb going off,

1772
01:26:18,857 --> 01:26:22,315
- that was your whole head.
- I don't like candles behind me.

1773
01:26:22,361 --> 01:26:25,558
No. Oh, look,
I found another joint.

1774
01:26:25,597 --> 01:26:27,588
Uh-oh.

1775
01:26:29,034 --> 01:26:31,468
Can we get closer?

1776
01:26:31,503 --> 01:26:34,631
That is one hell of a wall.

1777
01:26:50,856 --> 01:26:52,221
This is the Dome of the Rock?

1778
01:26:52,257 --> 01:26:55,351
This is the Dome of the Rock.
According to Islam...

1779
01:27:00,632 --> 01:27:01,997
On a horse?

1780
01:27:09,141 --> 01:27:10,233
He went to heaven on the horse?

1781
01:27:11,310 --> 01:27:12,709
Why is it holy for the Jews?

1782
01:27:37,002 --> 01:27:39,436
A rock. The Kaaba?

1783
01:27:39,471 --> 01:27:41,132
Isn't that...

1784
01:27:43,408 --> 01:27:44,932
Stone, rock, the same thing.

1785
01:27:46,545 --> 01:27:48,638
Why is that holy?

1786
01:27:51,717 --> 01:27:52,741
Paradise.

1787
01:27:52,784 --> 01:27:56,515
Could the rock itself have been
what we know now to be like a meteor?

1788
01:28:00,092 --> 01:28:02,720
But does it make a difference
that we now understand

1789
01:28:02,761 --> 01:28:04,228
what a meteor is?

1790
01:28:05,531 --> 01:28:06,555
Yes, right.

1791
01:28:06,598 --> 01:28:08,225
Okay.

1792
01:28:08,267 --> 01:28:10,235
This is the Mount
of Olives.

1793
01:28:10,269 --> 01:28:13,500
A lot of Orthodox Jews want
to be buried here,

1794
01:28:13,539 --> 01:28:15,939
'cause they believe that
when the Messiah comes,

1795
01:28:15,974 --> 01:28:18,067
he will raise them from
the dead and march them through

1796
01:28:18,110 --> 01:28:21,375
that golden gate
and onto the Temple Mount,

1797
01:28:21,413 --> 01:28:25,042
which is why the Muslims
have walled up the gate.

1798
01:28:25,083 --> 01:28:27,517
The better to keep out
the Jewish Messiah

1799
01:28:27,553 --> 01:28:29,953
and his kosher zombies
from getting in.

1800
01:28:29,988 --> 01:28:33,890
Although you'd think that
if you had the power to raise the dead,

1801
01:28:33,926 --> 01:28:36,224
you'd have the power
to jump a fence.

1802
01:28:38,497 --> 01:28:40,124
I thought I would not be allowed

1803
01:28:40,165 --> 01:28:42,725
to walk in a mosque.

1804
01:28:42,768 --> 01:28:44,235
I thought only someone of your faith

1805
01:28:44,269 --> 01:28:45,998
was allowed to do that.

1806
01:29:00,652 --> 01:29:02,677
Why is he angry?

1807
01:29:04,323 --> 01:29:05,915
They're angry that
you're talking to me?

1808
01:29:12,631 --> 01:29:15,293
Women in your culture

1809
01:29:15,334 --> 01:29:17,802
seem not to be as equal

1810
01:29:17,836 --> 01:29:20,202
to the man as they
are in our culture.

1811
01:29:22,140 --> 01:29:23,300
Yes.

1812
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:27,544
I talked to a Muslim scholar today.

1813
01:29:27,579 --> 01:29:31,675
And he said that Mohammed
had a meeting here.

1814
01:29:40,025 --> 01:29:43,290
Mohammed never set his foot

1815
01:29:43,328 --> 01:29:46,661
on that Temple Mount,
not even one foot.

1816
01:29:46,698 --> 01:29:49,326
Never ever.

1817
01:29:49,368 --> 01:29:52,963
He was never in the land
of Israel, that's a historical fact.

1818
01:30:03,649 --> 01:30:06,015
I think even
I understand that.

1819
01:30:06,051 --> 01:30:09,782
Why can't the people
of the different faiths get along?

1820
01:30:09,821 --> 01:30:13,780
All three religions
consider the same site

1821
01:30:13,825 --> 01:30:15,816
to be holy.

1822
01:30:17,663 --> 01:30:20,154
Is it not because it was
conquered many times?

1823
01:30:20,198 --> 01:30:24,191
- Yes.
- It was conquered first by King David,

1824
01:30:24,236 --> 01:30:26,204
and then later by
the armies coming out

1825
01:30:26,238 --> 01:30:29,071
of the Arabian Desert.

1826
01:30:29,107 --> 01:30:30,802
- It changed hands during the crusades.
- We had the Romans.

1827
01:30:30,842 --> 01:30:32,400
We had the Byzantines.
We had the Persians.

1828
01:30:36,214 --> 01:30:38,978
There's more than
one mosque in the world

1829
01:30:39,017 --> 01:30:41,918
that used to be a church,
and before that was a temple.

1830
01:30:41,953 --> 01:30:45,389
Because it's a lot easier
just to change the sign on the top

1831
01:30:45,424 --> 01:30:46,857
and say
"under new management"

1832
01:30:46,892 --> 01:30:49,486
than it is to change
the whole building.

1833
01:30:49,528 --> 01:30:51,496
I worked a lot
of comedy clubs in the '80s

1834
01:30:51,530 --> 01:30:54,397
that still had
the disco ball on the ceiling.

1835
01:30:54,433 --> 01:30:56,901
And in the '90s,
they became strip clubs

1836
01:30:56,935 --> 01:30:59,529
and now
they're a Starbucks.

1837
01:30:59,571 --> 01:31:03,530
I've come today to the village
of Cerne Abbas in Southern England

1838
01:31:03,575 --> 01:31:07,033
to show you something
completely different.

1839
01:31:07,079 --> 01:31:10,014
It's in the shape
of a giant naked man

1840
01:31:10,048 --> 01:31:13,347
with a sizable erection...
well, sizable for England.

1841
01:31:13,385 --> 01:31:14,875
Some people think
that this means

1842
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,048
that there is a giant actually
buried under that hill.

1843
01:31:18,090 --> 01:31:20,058
Others think it has something
to do with crop circles

1844
01:31:20,092 --> 01:31:23,152
or ancient space visitors
or Druids,

1845
01:31:23,195 --> 01:31:25,163
but nobody really knows.

1846
01:31:25,197 --> 01:31:27,688
And that's what
I find fascinating about this,

1847
01:31:27,733 --> 01:31:30,361
is that it doesn't
really mean anything.

1848
01:31:30,402 --> 01:31:33,200
The locals have been
maintaining it for centuries,

1849
01:31:33,238 --> 01:31:35,263
and they don't
really know why.

1850
01:31:35,307 --> 01:31:37,332
They just do it because
they've always done it,

1851
01:31:37,375 --> 01:31:39,570
and isn't that
religion for you?

1852
01:31:39,611 --> 01:31:42,910
Sometimes you kneel,
sometimes you fast

1853
01:31:42,948 --> 01:31:45,007
and sometimes
you go up on the hill

1854
01:31:45,050 --> 01:31:48,110
and you cut the grass
around the giant space penis.

1855
01:31:48,153 --> 01:31:50,280
Do you believe,
as so many Christians do nowadays,

1856
01:31:50,322 --> 01:31:52,290
that the world will end?

1857
01:31:52,324 --> 01:31:55,316
I think we are in the end times.
There are many many signs.

1858
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,760
The world as we know it
will come to an end.

1859
01:31:57,796 --> 01:31:59,263
And beyond that,

1860
01:31:59,297 --> 01:32:02,596
there will be the glorious
second coming of Jesus Christ.

1861
01:32:05,470 --> 01:32:08,098
It seems peaceful,

1862
01:32:08,140 --> 01:32:11,371
but this is the very spot where
a lot of Christians believe

1863
01:32:11,409 --> 01:32:13,104
life on earth will end.

1864
01:32:13,145 --> 01:32:15,579
The irony of religion
is that because

1865
01:32:15,614 --> 01:32:18,310
of its power to divert man

1866
01:32:18,350 --> 01:32:20,716
to destructive courses,

1867
01:32:20,752 --> 01:32:23,846
the world actually
could come to an end.

1868
01:32:23,889 --> 01:32:26,483
A lot of people
in this country believe

1869
01:32:26,525 --> 01:32:27,924
in end times.

1870
01:32:27,959 --> 01:32:30,587
There will be this great
reckoning, the Rapture.

1871
01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:33,359
- Do you believe that?
- I do.

1872
01:32:40,405 --> 01:32:42,965
But if you believe that the world is
gonna come to an end,

1873
01:32:43,008 --> 01:32:44,976
and perhaps any day now,

1874
01:32:45,010 --> 01:32:47,672
does it not drain
one's motivation

1875
01:32:47,712 --> 01:32:50,146
to improve life on earth
while we're here?

1876
01:33:01,193 --> 01:33:03,855
The plain fact is,
religion must die

1877
01:33:03,895 --> 01:33:06,056
for mankind to live.

1878
01:33:06,097 --> 01:33:09,032
The hour is getting very late
to be able to indulge

1879
01:33:09,067 --> 01:33:12,696
in having key decisions made
by religious people,

1880
01:33:12,737 --> 01:33:15,865
by irrationalists, by those
who would steer the ship of state

1881
01:33:15,907 --> 01:33:18,876
not by a compass,
but by the equivalent

1882
01:33:18,910 --> 01:33:21,310
of reading the entrails
of a chicken.

1883
01:33:21,346 --> 01:33:23,678
George Bush prayed
a lot about Iraq,

1884
01:33:23,715 --> 01:33:25,546
but he didn't learn
a lot about it.

1885
01:33:25,584 --> 01:33:27,051
I don't know that much
about politics,

1886
01:33:27,085 --> 01:33:28,677
I'll vote for President Bush
because of his faith.

1887
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,986
Faith means making
a virtue out of not thinking.

1888
01:33:33,024 --> 01:33:34,651
It's nothing to brag about.

1889
01:33:34,693 --> 01:33:37,526
And those who preach faith
and enable and elevate it

1890
01:33:37,562 --> 01:33:40,190
are our intellectual slaveholders,

1891
01:33:40,232 --> 01:33:42,530
keeping mankind in a bondage

1892
01:33:42,567 --> 01:33:44,558
to fantasy and nonsense

1893
01:33:44,603 --> 01:33:46,400
that has spawned and justified

1894
01:33:46,438 --> 01:33:49,566
so much lunacy and destruction.

1895
01:33:49,608 --> 01:33:52,907
Religion is dangerous
because it allows human beings

1896
01:33:52,944 --> 01:33:54,411
who don't have all the answers

1897
01:33:54,446 --> 01:33:56,505
to think that they do.

1898
01:33:56,548 --> 01:33:58,516
Most people would think
it's wonderful when someone says,

1899
01:33:58,550 --> 01:34:01,747
"I'm willing, Lord.
I'll do whatever You want me to do."

1900
01:34:01,786 --> 01:34:05,882
Except that since there
are no gods actually talking to us,

1901
01:34:05,924 --> 01:34:09,553
that void is filled in by people
with their own corruptions,

1902
01:34:09,594 --> 01:34:13,086
- limitations and agendas.
- It's going to happen,

1903
01:34:13,131 --> 01:34:15,156
and I'm not saying
necessarily nuclear...

1904
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:16,565
The Lord didn't say nuclear...

1905
01:34:16,601 --> 01:34:18,762
but I do believe it'll
be something like that.

1906
01:34:18,803 --> 01:34:20,532
And anyone who tells you
they know...

1907
01:34:20,572 --> 01:34:23,564
they just know
what happens when you die,

1908
01:34:23,608 --> 01:34:25,508
I promise you, you don't.

1909
01:34:25,543 --> 01:34:28,876
How can I be so sure?
Because I don't know,

1910
01:34:28,914 --> 01:34:32,111
and you do not possess
mental powers that I do not.

1911
01:34:32,150 --> 01:34:34,744
The only appropriate attitude
for man to have

1912
01:34:34,786 --> 01:34:37,254
about the big questions

1913
01:34:37,289 --> 01:34:39,655
is not the arrogant certitude

1914
01:34:39,691 --> 01:34:41,716
that is the hallmark of religion,

1915
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,729
but doubt. Doubt is humble,

1916
01:34:44,763 --> 01:34:46,594
and that's what
man needs to be,

1917
01:34:46,631 --> 01:34:50,294
considering that human history
is just a litany

1918
01:34:50,335 --> 01:34:53,327
of getting shit dead wrong.

1919
01:34:53,371 --> 01:34:55,839
Jesus is coming back
to rescue the Jews,

1920
01:34:55,874 --> 01:34:58,274
because he is
the only one that can.

1921
01:34:58,310 --> 01:35:00,778
The believer goes in the paradise.

1922
01:35:00,812 --> 01:35:04,145
Unbeliever, they will go to hell.

1923
01:35:04,182 --> 01:35:07,515
The Jews are the only reason
that I am a Christian.

1924
01:35:07,552 --> 01:35:09,645
- I love them.
- But you're not gonna take them

1925
01:35:09,688 --> 01:35:12,282
- to heaven with you, are you?
- I'm gonna go in the Rapture,

1926
01:35:12,324 --> 01:35:15,122
and I'm gonna come back
on a white horse.

1927
01:35:25,303 --> 01:35:28,329
So you think Jesus
will end this earth at some point,

1928
01:35:28,373 --> 01:35:30,000
maybe in your lifetime?

1929
01:35:30,041 --> 01:35:32,009
One always hopes.
This is a sign, and that is a sign.

1930
01:35:32,043 --> 01:35:34,136
If a nuclear bomb went off,

1931
01:35:34,179 --> 01:35:37,012
and it seemed like that was
exactly what it had said,

1932
01:35:37,048 --> 01:35:39,516
balls of fire or something,

1933
01:35:39,551 --> 01:35:41,485
you wouldn't look on that
as necessarily a bad thing.

1934
01:35:41,519 --> 01:35:43,146
I know I'll be with God.

1935
01:35:43,188 --> 01:35:45,156
This is why rational people,

1936
01:35:45,190 --> 01:35:46,817
anti-religionists,

1937
01:35:46,858 --> 01:35:48,826
must end their timidity
and come out of the closet

1938
01:35:48,860 --> 01:35:50,657
and assert themselves.

1939
01:35:50,695 --> 01:35:53,892
And those who consider themselves
only moderately religious

1940
01:35:53,932 --> 01:35:55,991
really need to look
in the mirror and realize

1941
01:35:56,034 --> 01:35:58,628
that the solace and comfort
that religion brings you

1942
01:35:58,670 --> 01:36:01,468
actually comes
at a terrible price.

1943
01:36:01,506 --> 01:36:04,532
It says in the last days
there'll be wars, rumors of wars.

1944
01:36:04,576 --> 01:36:06,806
The Bible prophesies
from the Book of Revelation...

1945
01:36:06,845 --> 01:36:08,836
they're going to be fulfilled!

1946
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,848
Can this be accomplished
without violence?

1947
01:36:10,882 --> 01:36:14,045
- No.
- Islam ruling the world,

1948
01:36:14,085 --> 01:36:15,382
global jihad.

1949
01:36:15,420 --> 01:36:17,012
- Who will win out?
- We'll win.

1950
01:36:17,055 --> 01:36:19,319
That's for God to decide
on Judgment Day.

1951
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,431
If you belonged to a political
party or a social club

1952
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:35,837
that was tied
to as much bigotry, misogyny,

1953
01:36:35,874 --> 01:36:37,603
homophobia, violence

1954
01:36:37,642 --> 01:36:39,872
and sheer ignorance
as religion is,

1955
01:36:39,911 --> 01:36:41,469
you'd resign in protest.

1956
01:36:41,513 --> 01:36:43,947
To do otherwise is
to be an enabler,

1957
01:36:43,982 --> 01:36:45,779
a Mafia wife,

1958
01:36:45,817 --> 01:36:48,547
with the true devils of extremism

1959
01:36:48,586 --> 01:36:50,019
that draw their legitimacy

1960
01:36:50,055 --> 01:36:52,421
from the billions
of their fellow travelers.

1961
01:36:52,457 --> 01:36:56,120
If the world does come
to an end here or wherever,

1962
01:36:56,161 --> 01:36:59,255
or if it limps into the future,
decimated by the effects

1963
01:36:59,297 --> 01:37:02,357
of a religion-inspired
nuclear terrorism,

1964
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,561
let's remember
what the real problem was:

1965
01:37:04,602 --> 01:37:07,730
That we learned how
to precipitate mass death

1966
01:37:07,772 --> 01:37:10,605
before we got past
the neurological disorder

1967
01:37:10,642 --> 01:37:13,008
of wishing for it.

1968
01:37:13,044 --> 01:37:16,775
That's it. Grow up or die.

1969
01:37:19,084 --> 01:37:23,043
We are in a conflict
between good and evil.

1970
01:40:45,123 --> 01:40:47,683
See you in heaven.

1971
01:40:47,725 --> 01:40:49,352
Who knows?

1972
01:40:50,762 --> 01:40:52,730
Yeah, exactly.