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Welcome to north Korea,

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the world's most isolated
and repressive state,

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a country that's always
been on the outside,

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ever since its birth at the end
of the second world war,

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when Korea was torn in two.

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The Soviet union
helped to establish

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the Soviet union
helped to establish

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a communist state in the north

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and installed Kim il-sung
as leader.

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Kim's failed attempt to conquer
the south during the Korean war

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led to a four-kilometer-wide

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buffer zone being built
between the two nations --

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The most heavily militarized
border on the planet.

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Today, north Korea
remains an anomaly,

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cut off both politically
and geographically

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from the modern world.

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But one man is on a mission
to change all that --

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With a basketball.

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With a basketball.

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For the first time,
this is what happened

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when Dennis rodman
went to north Korea

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and staged the most
controversial sporting event

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the world has never seen.

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To get this story moving,
let's rewind to September 2013

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and a rather unusual
news conference.

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We're here today
for Dennis rodman

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to make a historic announcement
following his recent visit

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to north Korea.

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The ministry of sports
of the d.P.R. Of Korea invites

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the ministry of sports
of the d.P.R. Of Korea invites.

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Mr. Dennis rodman
and his colleagues to return

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to d.P.R. Korea to organize
a basketball tournament,

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including the best players
from d.P.R.K.

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And a team
of 12 former nba players

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to be held in January 2014.

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Dennis rodman,
north Korea, and paddy power?

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Now, there's a combination
you don't see every day.

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So just what had brought
an ex-nba star,

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the world's
most vilified country,

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and an Irish gambling company
together?

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Well, it all started
a couple of years ago

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when Dennis' agent received
an unexpected phone call.

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I would say
about August of 2012,

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I would say
about August of 2012,

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I was contacted by an executive
at vice media,

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and he said
would Dennis consider

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being part of a documentary
for hbo

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to go over as their figurehead?

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It was more of an informal

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basketball diplomacy
type of trip

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with some Harlem globetrotters.

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And they sent me
an e-mail picture of Kim jong-Un

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in I guess it was maybe college,

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shooting some baskets,

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wearing a "91 rodman"
bulls Jersey.

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Wearing a "91 rodman"
bulls Jersey.

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Actually, the guy in the
picture was Kim jong-Un's brother,

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but let's keep going, shall we?

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They called up and said,
you know,

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we want you to go to north Korea
and do a documentary

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and play in a game
with the Harlem globetrotters.

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And I thought it was a joke.
I said, "well, whatever."

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I've played with the Harlem
globetrotters a couple times.

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Next think you know,
the word got out that, you know,

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I'm going to north Korea,
then all of a sudden,

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all the negativity started
to come out about north Korea,

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how, you know,
the country's bad,

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how they kidnap people.

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It's crazy,
you know, you never come back.

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It's crazy,
you know, you never come back.

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And just all these
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of wild, wild, animated stories.

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So I said,
"it don't really matter to me.

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I've been to worse.

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I've looked death in the face
too many times in my life,

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so it doesn't really matter
to me."

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In case you didn't know,

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from humble beginnings,
Dennis rodman became

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one of the greatest
basketball players

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the world has ever seen.

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This is where we'd like to show

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some incredible footage
of Dennis' playing career,

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but, unfortunately, the nba,
which owns all of the footage,

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has flat-out refused to take
part in this documentary --

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Has flat-out refused to take
part in this documentary --

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So we can't.

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What we can show you

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is some of Dennis'
barmy behavior off the court,

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which is what really caught
the world's attention.

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His hair, piercings, tattoos,
and kooky dress sense

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made him a press sensation.

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And then there was his fling
with Madonna

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and his marriage, albeit swift,
to Carmen electra.

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After hanging up his nikes,

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Dennis continued to be
the most flamboyant,

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in-your-face
American celebrity around.

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So you wouldn't have thought
that he'd be welcomed

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in a country that believes in
order, conformity,

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in a country that believes in
order, conformity,

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and little freedom
of expression.

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So we went to the game.

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The game is packed. It's full.

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I'm sitting on the bench,
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he walks in.

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This little, short guy.

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You know, like, wait a minute.
Who is that?

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I said, "that must be
the President of the country."

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And he walks in,
with him is his wife

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and all his leaders
and stuff like that.

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So, anyway, I walked down there.

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And that's basically
how it all happened.

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Once the game was over,
we got invited --

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The team got invited
to his house --

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The team got invited
to his house --

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Well, not his house, his palace,

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or whatever you
want to call it -- for dinner.

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Before I left, me and him
were sitting there talking.

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Man, I said, "you know,
I'll be back again."

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And he said, "I would love
for you to come back."

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And four months later,
Dennis did return,

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jumping on an army helicopter

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to the man they call
the marshal's

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east coast holiday home.

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Along for the ride,
his personal assistant, vo.

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I'll tell you what,
I was the only one

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in the office that, you know,
back home

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in the office that, you know,
back home

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that was really wanted,
you know, wanted to go.

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Other people were not sure
and, you know, they've heard,

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you know, a lot of things
through the media.

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And I was like, you know,
"I'm going!"

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You know?

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If Dennis can go,
Dennis is like my brother,

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I'm going.

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I want to be there.

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I want to see
what it's all about.

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You know,
I want to see the truth.

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Everything is just so, like,

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just five-star, six-star,
seven-star.

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It was just a great day
every day, and we had so much --

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There was so much entertainment,
so much fun,

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there was so much entertainment,
so much fun,

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just so much relaxation,

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because everything
was just so -- so perfect.

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Last trip he was there,
he stood up and did a toast

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with the whole regime,
Kim, and his wife there.

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And he's like, "marshal,

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you're father
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did some fucked-up shit.

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But, you,
you're trying to make a change,

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and I love you for that."

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And he did a toast,

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and Dennis and vo said

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they thought either they were
gonna be done right then

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or they didn't know
what to expect.

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Or they didn't know
what to expect.

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He said Kim stood up,
five-second pause,

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and he raised the glass
and smiled

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and then started clapping.

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And he's like, "after that,

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I knew I could get away
with anything."

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When we really actually
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I mean, we really, really got
really close with each other --

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As far as, like,
as a friendship, bond-wise.

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While they were kicking back,

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the marshal opened up
about Dennis' previous trip.

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He didn't get
the Harlem globetrotters.

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He didn't get the fact that

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that's what they do
for a living.

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He didn't like the show.
He told me right off the bat.

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He didn't like the show.
He told me right off the bat.

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He said, well, he didn't
want that. He hate that.

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He just laughed. I said, "yeah,
I figured you hated that one."

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He wanted to see
a basketball game.

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So I think that's where the idea
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saying, you know,

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"let's put on a basketball game,
a real game."

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And his interpreter said,
you know,

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"you know his birthday
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So automatically,
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I said, "we're gonna have
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why not do it on his birthday?"

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On his birthday.

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So I say, "shit, you know,
that would be perfect."

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So I say, "shit, you know,
that would be perfect."

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He's telling me where he was.

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He goes, "well, we've been
on a tropical island.

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It's like his camp David,
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this gorgeous, remote island.

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And we were jet-skiing
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I'm the first non-north Korean
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And we got pictures,

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and guess what."

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I said, "what?"

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"The game's happening
January 8th."

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I had tears in my eyes.
I couldn't believe it.

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I said, "you've got it --"

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I was thinking, "you mean,
no attorney reviewed it?"

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He goes, "you think you need
an attorney with these people?

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We don't need no attorney."

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Dennis did need
one thing though -- money.

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Dennis did need
one thing though -- money.

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Putting on such a big event
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is going to require a lot of it.

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But luckily for Dennis,
in a moment of pure serendipity,

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he was about to cross paths
with the perfect sponsor.

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One of the biggest
gambling companies

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in Ireland and the u.K.,
paddy power is well known

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for its headline-grabbing
marketing strategies,

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and it was one of its cheekiest
p.R. Stunts yet

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that led to it
first meeting Dennis.

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It started in a very, very
unprecedented circumstance.

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It was the first
papal resignation

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it was the first
papal resignation

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in the past 600 years.

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We sent our people out to Rome.

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We were taking bets
on who the next pope would be.

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We were also offering
a money-back special --

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Money back
if the next pope is black,

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because the two favorites
were black cardinals --

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Cardinal arinze
and cardinal turkson from Ghana.

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So it looked very likely
from a betting point of view

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that the next pope
would actually be black.

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The two biggest stories
on that particular day

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were paddy power taking bets
on who the next pope would be

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were paddy power taking bets
on who the next pope would be

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and Dennis rodman on his
first trip out to north Korea.

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And we thought, it could be
an interesting synergy here

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if we bring
the two of them together.

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And, quite literally,
24 hours later,

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Dennis was on a plane to Rome
to help out Rory and paddy

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in Vatican city.

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In Rome,
Dennis told paddy power

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about his agreement
to Kim jung-Un

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to put on a basketball game
in north Korea.

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And paddy power jumped
at the chance to get involved.

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Paddy power came out of
the blue and said, "we'll do it."

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You know, they're one of those
type of companies

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where they just --
They love entertainment,

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where they just --
They love entertainment,

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they love excitement,
they love intriguing things

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that's gonna actually, you know,
put them on the map.

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The game is planned
for January 8...

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That brings us
up to the news conference

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when the game was revealed
to the world.

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Dennis has painted the trip
as a way to bridge the gap

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between north Korea
and the United States.

248
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Now, that might sound
like a pipe dream,

249
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but it's exactly what happened
in the 1970s

250
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when a team of U.S. ping-pong
players traveled to China.

251
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The visit eased tensions
between the two nations,

252
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the visit eased tensions
between the two nations,

253
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and two years later,

254
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Richard Nixon paid his own visit
to the communist state.

255
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40 years on,
could Dennis pave the way

256
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for the current U.S. government
to visit north Korea?

257
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It would be a long-shot

258
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given the country's
rocky relationship.

259
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But as recently as 1994,
the United States

260
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and north Korea
were on the brink of war,

261
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after falling out

262
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over north Korea's
nuclear ambitions.

263
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But president Bill Clinton --
Ever the charmer --

264
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Sent his predecessor
Jimmy Carter

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on a diplomatic mission,

266
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and Kim il-sung agreed

267
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and Kim il-sung agreed

268
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to put north Korea's
nuclear plans on hold.

269
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That all changed in the early
years of the 21st century

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when new leader Kim jung-il

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put north Korea's
nuclear program back in motion

272
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after president George Bush

273
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took a somewhat different
approach to his predecessor

274
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by publicly naming north Korea,

275
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alongside Iran and Iraq,
in an...

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Axis of evil.

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That brings us
to the current administration

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and president Obama's tactic
of strategic Patience --

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Which basically means
refusing to speak

280
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to the third generation
and new leader Kim jung-Un

281
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to the third generation
and new leader Kim jung-Un

282
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until north Korea
agrees to disarm.

283
00:11:03,295 --> 00:11:05,463
Of course,
that means Dennis' willingness

284
00:11:05,464 --> 00:11:07,799
to converse with north Korea
flies in the face

285
00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,436
of the U.S.A.'s
current foreign policy.

286
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No wonder the white house
is keen

287
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to distance itself
from his efforts.

288
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Mr. rodman is on a private trip.

289
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And our views about north Korea

290
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and its failure to meet
its obligations

291
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have not changed,

292
00:11:27,321 --> 00:11:29,999
and our views about Kenneth bae
have not changed.

293
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,559
And our views about Kenneth bae
have not changed.

294
00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,428
Ah, yes, Kenneth bae,
an Evangelical Christian

295
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who was arrested in 2012

296
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while leading a tour group
through north Korea.

297
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He was later charged

298
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with planning to overthrow
the government

299
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and sentenced to 15 years
hard labor.

300
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It's yet another cause
of friction,

301
00:11:46,309 --> 00:11:48,543
and Dennis finds himself
under pressure,

302
00:11:48,544 --> 00:11:50,446
as a personal friend
of Kim jung-Un's,

303
00:11:50,447 --> 00:11:52,181
to help push for bae's release.

304
00:11:52,182 --> 00:11:55,685
And then if that wasn't enough
for Dennis to contend with,

305
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just one day before he's due
to fly out, this happens.

306
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"Despicable human scum
worse than a dog."

307
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,425
"Despicable human scum
worse than a dog."

308
00:12:01,426 --> 00:12:03,327
That's how
north Korean state media

309
00:12:03,328 --> 00:12:05,229
described
the once-powerful uncle.

310
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An uncle of north Korean
leader Kim jung-Un

311
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has been executed for trying
to overthrow the government.

312
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Reports from north Korea tonight

313
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say the second-most-powerful man
in the country

314
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has been executed.

315
00:12:14,740 --> 00:12:18,443
Jang sung-thaek, the uncle
of the country's leader

316
00:12:18,444 --> 00:12:20,713
had already been stripped
of all his powers.

317
00:12:20,714 --> 00:12:23,382
Today, a military tribunal
ordered his execution

318
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after he was found guilty
of treason.

319
00:12:30,324 --> 00:12:33,727
When the shocking news
about jang song-thaek breaks,

320
00:12:33,728 --> 00:12:35,629
Dennis is enjoying
his last night of revelry

321
00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:38,432
in his hometown of Miami.

322
00:12:38,433 --> 00:12:41,069
The story has turned an even
greater spotlight on his trip.

323
00:12:41,070 --> 00:12:44,072
Does Dennis really know
what he's getting himself into?

324
00:12:44,073 --> 00:12:46,641
I'm doing a really,
really good basketball game

325
00:12:46,642 --> 00:12:49,344
in the world,
and no one's ever done this.

326
00:12:49,345 --> 00:12:53,382
You know, they got their Jay-zs,
their beyoncés, stuff like that.

327
00:12:53,383 --> 00:12:55,551
None of these people
in the world

328
00:12:55,552 --> 00:12:59,188
that's way more famous than I am
are doing what I'm doing.

329
00:13:29,355 --> 00:13:29,999
I don't want people to see...

330
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,192
I don't want people to see...

331
00:13:33,193 --> 00:13:35,695
You know, I get death threats --

332
00:13:35,696 --> 00:13:39,332
I get death threats a lot.

333
00:13:39,333 --> 00:13:43,537
"Why you doing this, Dennis?
Why you doing that?

334
00:13:43,538 --> 00:13:45,539
Why are you doing
this, this, that?"

335
00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:47,708
I'm not doing shit.

336
00:13:47,709 --> 00:13:49,777
I'm not doing a goddamn thing.

337
00:13:49,778 --> 00:13:53,248
All I'm doing is trying to keep
everything together.

338
00:13:53,249 --> 00:13:56,351
And show people that,
hey, god damn, man, come on.

339
00:13:56,352 --> 00:13:59,788
What am I doing?

340
00:13:59,789 --> 00:14:00,000
And it's like,

341
00:14:00,001 --> 00:14:01,557
and it's like,

342
00:14:01,558 --> 00:14:04,693
"well, don't you know
that he just killed his uncle,

343
00:14:04,694 --> 00:14:06,529
chopped his head off?"

344
00:14:06,530 --> 00:14:09,498
I said, "no, I didn't know that.
What?"

345
00:14:09,499 --> 00:14:11,568
"Did you know
he kills people a lot."

346
00:14:11,569 --> 00:14:13,437
"No, I didn't know that."

347
00:14:13,438 --> 00:14:15,472
Do we in America? Yeah!

348
00:14:15,473 --> 00:14:17,541
What?

349
00:14:17,542 --> 00:14:20,744
Why am I doing it?
Why am I trying to change shit?

350
00:14:20,745 --> 00:14:23,414
You know,
I'm not Martin Luther King.

351
00:14:23,415 --> 00:14:24,715
I'm not this bullshit.

352
00:14:24,716 --> 00:14:27,718
If someone will shoot me,
please do it today.

353
00:14:27,719 --> 00:14:29,687
Do it fucking today, right now.

354
00:14:29,688 --> 00:14:30,000
I'm right here. Fuck it.

355
00:14:30,001 --> 00:14:33,592
I'm right here. Fuck it.

356
00:14:33,593 --> 00:14:35,360
That's what I tell people.

357
00:14:35,361 --> 00:14:38,730
I say, "man, I can't sit there
and say, 'hey, you know what?

358
00:14:38,731 --> 00:14:43,536
Hey, marshal,
can you let this guy free?

359
00:14:43,537 --> 00:14:44,604
Mm, really?

360
00:14:44,605 --> 00:14:46,639
Hey, guy,
can you do that for me?

361
00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,441
Can you do one thing?

362
00:14:48,442 --> 00:14:51,545
Can I go over and get him
and take him back to America

363
00:14:51,546 --> 00:14:53,347
and stuff like that?'"

364
00:14:53,348 --> 00:14:55,549
but, like...

365
00:14:55,550 --> 00:14:58,519
That's not my job.

366
00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:59,999
You know, I'm just trying
to open the door, that's it.

367
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,791
You know, I'm just trying
to open the door, that's it.

368
00:15:02,792 --> 00:15:05,393
And when I say
that people do one thing,

369
00:15:05,394 --> 00:15:06,628
I want to say --

370
00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:09,064
♪ Someone's knockin'
at the door ♪

371
00:15:09,065 --> 00:15:10,532
♪ someone's ringin' the bell ♪

372
00:15:10,533 --> 00:15:11,801
You know about this.

373
00:15:11,802 --> 00:15:14,504
♪ Someone's knockin'
at the door ♪

374
00:15:14,505 --> 00:15:16,405
♪ Someone's ringin' the bell ♪

375
00:15:16,406 --> 00:15:18,774
♪ Do me a favor ♪

376
00:15:18,775 --> 00:15:20,776
♪ Open the door ♪

377
00:15:20,777 --> 00:15:24,448
♪ And let us in ♪

378
00:15:24,449 --> 00:15:25,549
Say, "hi! How you doing?"

379
00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:26,683
How you doing, man?

380
00:15:26,684 --> 00:15:28,485
Have a happy holiday.
Happy holiday.

381
00:15:28,486 --> 00:15:29,999
Run up and get
a picture of me then.

382
00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:30,455
Run up and get
a picture of me then.

383
00:15:30,456 --> 00:15:33,091
And so the following
day, it's a defiant Dennis

384
00:15:33,092 --> 00:15:34,826
who sets out for north Korea.

385
00:15:34,827 --> 00:15:37,629
Despite the negative
media reaction,

386
00:15:37,630 --> 00:15:39,664
not everyone is against him.

387
00:15:39,665 --> 00:15:42,768
And that includes this man,
American Daniel pinkston,

388
00:15:42,769 --> 00:15:44,637
an expert
in north Korean politics

389
00:15:44,638 --> 00:15:47,106
who turned up at the paddy power
news conference.

390
00:15:47,107 --> 00:15:48,507
He supports Dennis' trip

391
00:15:48,508 --> 00:15:50,509
and believes his presence
in north Korea

392
00:15:50,510 --> 00:15:52,646
could have a positive effect
on the country.

393
00:15:52,647 --> 00:15:56,516
I would argue to change policy,
first you have to change a mind.

394
00:15:56,517 --> 00:15:58,652
You have to have
some new thinking,

395
00:15:58,653 --> 00:15:59,999
you have to have a different
idea to change the policy.

396
00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,856
You have to have a different
idea to change the policy.

397
00:16:01,857 --> 00:16:07,228
So if they are not exposed
to any outside information,

398
00:16:07,229 --> 00:16:10,665
including media or any kind
of news information --

399
00:16:10,666 --> 00:16:13,602
Books,
any type of information --

400
00:16:13,603 --> 00:16:17,306
And including human,
people-to-people exchanges,

401
00:16:17,307 --> 00:16:20,442
whether it's students,
basketball players,

402
00:16:20,443 --> 00:16:21,677
or anyone else,

403
00:16:21,678 --> 00:16:23,813
if we close all of that off

404
00:16:23,814 --> 00:16:26,816
and north Korea's
completely sealed shut,

405
00:16:26,817 --> 00:16:29,999
how is that going to make it
more likely

406
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:30,287
how is that going to make it
more likely

407
00:16:30,288 --> 00:16:34,158
for people to change
their minds, to get new ideas,

408
00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:35,492
and change the policy?

409
00:16:35,493 --> 00:16:37,227
So I'm kind of puzzled

410
00:16:37,228 --> 00:16:40,864
when people have
such a strong emotional reaction

411
00:16:40,865 --> 00:16:43,101
to this type of project.

412
00:16:43,102 --> 00:16:46,705
I don't see the reason
or rationale behind it.

413
00:16:46,706 --> 00:16:49,641
And, yes,
the regime is repugnant.

414
00:16:49,642 --> 00:16:51,810
I don't like the regime, right?

415
00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:53,713
But by isolating them,

416
00:16:53,714 --> 00:16:58,250
how is it going to increase
the likelihood of any change?

417
00:16:58,251 --> 00:16:59,999
After finally winning
the support of someone

418
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:00,786
After finally winning
the support of someone

419
00:17:00,787 --> 00:17:03,123
in an official capacity,
Dennis arrives in Beijing,

420
00:17:03,124 --> 00:17:06,193
his last stop
en route to north Korea,

421
00:17:06,194 --> 00:17:08,562
where he meets up
with the rest of his entourage.

422
00:17:08,563 --> 00:17:11,131
There's his assistant, vo,
Rory from paddy power,

423
00:17:11,132 --> 00:17:12,867
and another,
more unlikely, travel buddy,

424
00:17:12,868 --> 00:17:15,403
a science buff
and professor, Joe,

425
00:17:15,404 --> 00:17:18,640
who got involved through
a suitably bizarre route.

426
00:17:18,641 --> 00:17:20,808
It was a charity auction,
and i...

427
00:17:20,809 --> 00:17:24,113
You know, put down a bid
on the chance to meet Dennis

428
00:17:24,114 --> 00:17:26,081
after his first trip to Korea,

429
00:17:26,082 --> 00:17:29,999
because I was gonna be spending
the summer in Korea

430
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:30,153
because I was gonna be spending
the summer in Korea

431
00:17:30,154 --> 00:17:32,121
teaching human genetics,
and I just wanted

432
00:17:32,122 --> 00:17:34,624
to meet him and talk
to him because I thought

433
00:17:34,625 --> 00:17:37,093
what he's trying to do
with sports is similar

434
00:17:37,094 --> 00:17:39,095
to what I was trying to do
with science.

435
00:17:39,096 --> 00:17:41,665
And, you know, I think science,
music, culture, sports

436
00:17:41,666 --> 00:17:43,434
are all things
that are innocuous

437
00:17:43,435 --> 00:17:45,803
where you can build
relationships between people.

438
00:17:45,804 --> 00:17:47,838
And I told him, you know,
if there's anything

439
00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:50,074
I could do to help,
all he had to do was ask.

440
00:17:50,075 --> 00:17:52,644
I get an e-mail
from this guy, Joe.

441
00:17:52,645 --> 00:17:54,680
He's a professor,
and he goes to north Korea

442
00:17:54,681 --> 00:17:56,348
and teaches
about American culture.

443
00:17:56,349 --> 00:17:58,750
And he's got a friend of his,
Michael spavor,

444
00:17:58,751 --> 00:17:59,999
who, you know,
does these tours of north Korea.

445
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,486
Who, you know,
does these tours of north Korea.

446
00:18:01,487 --> 00:18:02,789
I'm like, "this is ridiculous."

447
00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:04,757
It's just, like,
what are the odds?

448
00:18:04,758 --> 00:18:06,359
I'm like, "Joe," I was like,

449
00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:08,194
"we need you right now
more than you need us."

450
00:18:08,195 --> 00:18:10,263
I'm like, "I don't know
who to trust out there."

451
00:18:10,264 --> 00:18:12,565
I'm like, "can your friend
possibly -- bring him."

452
00:18:12,566 --> 00:18:13,801
And he goes, "oh, absolutely.

453
00:18:13,802 --> 00:18:15,536
We'd love to talk to you
about that."

454
00:18:15,537 --> 00:18:16,870
He goes,
"and I'll tell you what."

455
00:18:16,871 --> 00:18:18,572
He goes, "we'll help arrange it

456
00:18:18,573 --> 00:18:20,407
as long as we can go
and be a part of it."

457
00:18:20,408 --> 00:18:24,446
And so this rather
curious band of characters

458
00:18:24,447 --> 00:18:27,649
sets off on the final leg
of its journey --

459
00:18:27,650 --> 00:18:29,999
A three-hour hop
over the iron curtain

460
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:30,652
a three-hour hop
over the iron curtain

461
00:18:30,653 --> 00:18:32,554
into north Korea.

462
00:18:53,579 --> 00:18:55,279
Dennis asked me last night,

463
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,582
you know, he goes,
"why are you on board?

464
00:18:57,583 --> 00:18:59,150
Why are you doing this?"

465
00:18:59,151 --> 00:18:59,999
And I said, "I'm doing this
because, first of all,

466
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,552
and I said, "I'm doing this
because, first of all,

467
00:19:01,553 --> 00:19:03,555
over the many times
that I've been to Korea,

468
00:19:03,556 --> 00:19:05,290
I've grown to just love
being here.

469
00:19:05,291 --> 00:19:07,292
I like the people.
The people are excellent.

470
00:19:07,293 --> 00:19:08,660
The food's great.

471
00:19:08,661 --> 00:19:10,829
It's just a wonderful place
to visit.

472
00:19:10,830 --> 00:19:14,300
And I look forward to the chance
of trying to help bridge

473
00:19:14,301 --> 00:19:18,471
this gap that we have between
what Americans think about Korea

474
00:19:18,472 --> 00:19:20,640
and what Koreans think
about America."

475
00:19:20,641 --> 00:19:23,277
And Americans don't have
an accurate perception

476
00:19:23,278 --> 00:19:25,146
of what things are like here,

477
00:19:25,147 --> 00:19:27,448
understandably so,
because they don't get

478
00:19:27,449 --> 00:19:29,999
any accurate coverage
of what the situation is.

479
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:30,085
Any accurate coverage
of what the situation is.

480
00:19:30,086 --> 00:19:33,154
They don't know, you know?

481
00:19:33,155 --> 00:19:36,258
And I try to tell people
what I see here, my experiences.

482
00:19:36,259 --> 00:19:38,193
I've always thought
the Korean people

483
00:19:38,194 --> 00:19:40,529
are so friendly and warm
and inviting,

484
00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:42,764
even if I am
a U.S. imperialist bastard,

485
00:19:42,765 --> 00:19:44,867
they're still nice to me.

486
00:19:44,868 --> 00:19:47,670
And always friendly,
and they're always warm.

487
00:19:48,806 --> 00:19:51,107
Really nice to meet you.

488
00:19:51,108 --> 00:19:52,241
How you doing?

489
00:19:52,242 --> 00:19:53,644
There he is.

490
00:19:53,645 --> 00:19:54,878
Back home again.

491
00:19:56,815 --> 00:19:59,316
Good to see you, buddy.

492
00:19:59,317 --> 00:19:59,999
Oh!

493
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,251
Oh!

494
00:20:01,252 --> 00:20:04,789
Once again, Dennis has
arrived on north Korean soil.

495
00:20:04,790 --> 00:20:06,524
And after settling in his hotel,

496
00:20:06,525 --> 00:20:09,227
he's taken straight
to an 18-course welcome dinner

497
00:20:09,228 --> 00:20:11,663
with the north Korean
sports minister.

498
00:20:11,664 --> 00:20:14,667
He's told that Kim jung-Un
is too busy to attend,

499
00:20:14,668 --> 00:20:15,868
which is no surprise

500
00:20:15,869 --> 00:20:17,837
seeing as he's just purged
his uncle.

501
00:20:17,838 --> 00:20:19,572
In the marshal's absence,

502
00:20:19,573 --> 00:20:21,841
plans are made
for the next few days.

503
00:20:21,842 --> 00:20:23,242
And for the good health

504
00:20:23,243 --> 00:20:25,779
of our dear, respected marshal,
Kim jong-Un,

505
00:20:25,780 --> 00:20:27,881
the leader of our party
and people.

506
00:20:27,882 --> 00:20:29,999
And for the good health
of Mr. Dennis rodman

507
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,584
and for the good health
of Mr. Dennis rodman

508
00:20:30,585 --> 00:20:32,352
and all the party members here,

509
00:20:32,353 --> 00:20:34,355
I would like to propose a toast.

510
00:20:34,356 --> 00:20:36,224
It's a relaxed first evening.

511
00:20:36,225 --> 00:20:38,360
But tomorrow,
it's down to business.

512
00:20:43,398 --> 00:20:46,835
The next morning, Dennis is
up early and ready for action.

513
00:20:46,836 --> 00:20:49,504
The January game
is just a few weeks away,

514
00:20:49,505 --> 00:20:53,141
and Dennis is in a race
to get everything ready in time.

515
00:20:53,142 --> 00:20:54,444
His first stop is the stadium

516
00:20:54,445 --> 00:20:56,680
where the historic match-up
will take place.

517
00:21:01,185 --> 00:21:03,119
Waiting for Dennis
is a select group

518
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,556
of north Korea's
best basketball players.

519
00:21:05,557 --> 00:21:08,192
It's now down to Dennis to pick
the very best

520
00:21:08,193 --> 00:21:10,261
for the final north Korean team

521
00:21:10,262 --> 00:21:12,763
that will face off
against the Americans

522
00:21:12,764 --> 00:21:13,697
on January 8th.

523
00:21:13,698 --> 00:21:15,867
These are two teams? Yes.

524
00:21:15,868 --> 00:21:18,670
Let's play against one in a game

525
00:21:18,671 --> 00:21:20,138
so I can see 'em.

526
00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:29,999
So how good
are the north Korean players?

527
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,151
So how good
are the north Korean players?

528
00:21:32,152 --> 00:21:34,186
Well, better than
you might think.

529
00:21:34,187 --> 00:21:35,722
Due to the country's isolation,

530
00:21:35,723 --> 00:21:37,190
they won't be making waves

531
00:21:37,191 --> 00:21:39,293
on the international scene
any time soon.

532
00:21:39,294 --> 00:21:40,827
Can that fucker shoot, though!

533
00:21:40,828 --> 00:21:43,196
But in communist states
like north Korea,

534
00:21:43,197 --> 00:21:47,168
athletes and national
sports teams are important cogs

535
00:21:47,169 --> 00:21:48,736
in the state
propaganda machine --

536
00:21:48,737 --> 00:21:52,373
Lauded by the leader to prove
what a good job he's doing

537
00:21:52,374 --> 00:21:54,843
and how powerful a nation
he's created.

538
00:21:54,844 --> 00:21:57,813
Oh, there you go.
All right. Nice.

539
00:21:57,814 --> 00:21:59,315
Look at him, right?

540
00:21:59,316 --> 00:21:59,999
You. You.

541
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,751
You. You.

542
00:22:02,752 --> 00:22:06,222
Oh, they're moving now.
Now they're moving.

543
00:22:06,223 --> 00:22:08,258
And now they're moving.

544
00:22:08,259 --> 00:22:09,859
Basketball just happens to be

545
00:22:09,860 --> 00:22:12,462
Kim jung-Un's favorite sport,
too, so a lot of time and money

546
00:22:12,463 --> 00:22:14,197
has been put into developing
young talent.

547
00:22:14,198 --> 00:22:16,200
I tell you,
these nba folk

548
00:22:16,201 --> 00:22:18,102
have got their work cut out,
I think.

549
00:22:18,103 --> 00:22:20,137
Some of them are gonna be
a little bit pudgy

550
00:22:20,138 --> 00:22:21,405
and a little bit slow,

551
00:22:21,406 --> 00:22:23,341
and these guys are very nimble
and quick.

552
00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:25,777
It's gonna be interesting.
It's gonna be interesting.

553
00:22:25,778 --> 00:22:27,713
But the nba guys are taller.

554
00:22:27,714 --> 00:22:28,748
Yeah.

555
00:22:31,784 --> 00:22:32,784
Let's line 'em up.

556
00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:37,323
So, basically, what I'm doing,

557
00:22:37,324 --> 00:22:39,292
I'm picking 12
of the best players here

558
00:22:39,293 --> 00:22:41,494
to play against
the nba all-stars.

559
00:22:57,179 --> 00:22:59,147
Make sure they're
not disappointed

560
00:22:59,148 --> 00:22:59,999
because I didn't pick them,

561
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:00,383
because I didn't pick them,

562
00:23:00,384 --> 00:23:02,150
just because they're,
you know...

563
00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,321
It's gonna be
an awesome feeling, man,

564
00:23:05,322 --> 00:23:06,322
'cause you guys never played

565
00:23:06,323 --> 00:23:08,257
in front of
professional athletes,

566
00:23:08,258 --> 00:23:10,192
and these guys are very good
that I'm bringing over.

567
00:23:10,193 --> 00:23:11,293
They're very good.

568
00:23:11,294 --> 00:23:13,162
Over the next few days,

569
00:23:13,163 --> 00:23:14,463
Dennis is kept busy

570
00:23:14,464 --> 00:23:16,166
whipping the north Korean team
into shape,

571
00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:18,468
sharing all the know-how
he's built up

572
00:23:18,469 --> 00:23:20,670
over a decade
at the top of the game.

573
00:23:20,671 --> 00:23:23,240
And one thing
becomes surprisingly clear --

574
00:23:23,241 --> 00:23:24,408
Boy, can they shoot.

575
00:23:52,273 --> 00:23:54,841
Go, go, go, go, go, go,
go, go, go, go, go, go!

576
00:23:54,842 --> 00:23:56,610
Defense, defense,
defense, defense, defense!

577
00:23:56,611 --> 00:23:57,845
Oh!

578
00:23:57,846 --> 00:23:59,999
There you go. There you go.

579
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,348
There you go. There you go.

580
00:24:00,349 --> 00:24:03,151
Come on! You got to make it.

581
00:24:07,457 --> 00:24:10,827
Oh! Come on, come on,
come on, come on!

582
00:24:29,714 --> 00:24:30,000
Oh.

583
00:24:30,001 --> 00:24:31,348
Oh.

584
00:24:31,349 --> 00:24:33,517
Don't look so damn happy.

585
00:24:34,486 --> 00:24:35,854
Thank you, thank you.

586
00:24:35,855 --> 00:24:37,455
All right, guys.

587
00:24:37,456 --> 00:24:40,326
All right, guys. Thank you.

588
00:24:45,431 --> 00:24:47,433
With the training complete,

589
00:24:47,434 --> 00:24:48,901
Dennis has seen firsthand

590
00:24:48,902 --> 00:24:50,503
how north Korea's investment
in basketball

591
00:24:50,504 --> 00:24:52,271
is starting to bear fruit.

592
00:24:52,272 --> 00:24:54,306
The north Korean officials
are keen to show him

593
00:24:54,307 --> 00:24:55,809
more of the same,

594
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:57,911
and before he can catch
his breath, he's taken

595
00:24:57,912 --> 00:24:59,999
on a specially organized
sports tour of Pyongyang.

596
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,215
On a specially organized
sports tour of Pyongyang.

597
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:22,672
Do you guys practice
like this every day?

598
00:25:47,833 --> 00:25:50,335
Dennis and his entourage
are taxied around the capital

599
00:25:50,336 --> 00:25:52,537
from one site to another.

600
00:25:52,538 --> 00:25:55,207
Following him wherever he goes
is a camera crew

601
00:25:55,208 --> 00:25:56,409
from the state-run
television station.

602
00:25:56,410 --> 00:25:58,177
It's a big scoop having

603
00:25:58,178 --> 00:25:59,999
such a high-profile celebrity
in the country,

604
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,480
such a high-profile celebrity
in the country,

605
00:26:00,481 --> 00:26:03,584
and they fully intend to make
the most of the opportunity.

606
00:26:33,283 --> 00:26:36,252
And the north Korean officials
can't resist slipping in a visit

607
00:26:36,253 --> 00:26:39,823
to a war museum full of captured
American aircraft.

608
00:26:39,824 --> 00:26:43,293
Luckily, that doesn't overly
dampen the group's spirits.

609
00:26:43,294 --> 00:26:45,829
It was -- it was surreal.
It was extraordinary.

610
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:47,665
It was -- you know,
the cold was, you know,

611
00:26:47,666 --> 00:26:49,600
the first thing you notice --
Minus 10, minus 12.

612
00:26:49,601 --> 00:26:53,137
Clear blue skies,
very beautiful.

613
00:26:53,138 --> 00:26:55,406
I think it's the nearest thing
you can kind of liken it to

614
00:26:55,407 --> 00:26:56,742
is a real-life "Truman show."

615
00:26:56,743 --> 00:26:59,378
You know you're being watched
the whole moment.

616
00:26:59,379 --> 00:26:59,999
It's very produced.

617
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,179
It's very produced.

618
00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:03,782
You can't, you know, move around
on your own autonomy,

619
00:27:03,783 --> 00:27:06,318
you can't leave the hotel
without your minders.

620
00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:08,655
But, you know,
you're told what you can film,

621
00:27:08,656 --> 00:27:10,823
you know, you're told
who you can speak to.

622
00:27:10,824 --> 00:27:13,293
But the people were lovely.
They treated us very well.

623
00:27:13,294 --> 00:27:15,228
What Dennis
probably doesn't suspect

624
00:27:15,229 --> 00:27:17,331
is that he's been used
for a spot of propaganda

625
00:27:17,332 --> 00:27:19,333
to counter the image
of Pyongyang

626
00:27:19,334 --> 00:27:21,201
as a dour, depressed place

627
00:27:21,202 --> 00:27:24,471
and to show off the best of it
to everyone back home.

628
00:27:24,472 --> 00:27:27,642
Our man Daniel pinkston
has his own views on that.

629
00:27:27,643 --> 00:27:29,999
I've been to north Korea
five times.

630
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,612
I've been to north Korea
five times.

631
00:27:30,613 --> 00:27:34,182
The political promotion
and propaganda,

632
00:27:34,183 --> 00:27:35,717
and that's true,
and that's real.

633
00:27:35,718 --> 00:27:37,520
But there's also just a human
side to that as well, right?

634
00:27:37,521 --> 00:27:39,355
Someone,
their hometown is Paris,

635
00:27:39,356 --> 00:27:40,923
and someone comes from Vietnam,
they come to Paris,

636
00:27:40,924 --> 00:27:42,692
you're gonna show them
the louvre and the Eiffel Tower.

637
00:27:42,693 --> 00:27:44,627
They're gonna show them
nice things,

638
00:27:44,628 --> 00:27:47,597
not say, "well, let me go find
the worst place in Paris."

639
00:27:47,598 --> 00:27:49,900
You know,
anybody's gonna do that.

640
00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:53,370
So there's, yes, they want --
There is the element

641
00:27:53,371 --> 00:27:56,773
that they want to manipulate
for the propaganda value.

642
00:27:56,774 --> 00:27:58,643
Yes, that's true,

643
00:27:58,644 --> 00:27:59,999
but there's also a big part
of it that's just human nature.

644
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,745
But there's also a big part
of it that's just human nature.

645
00:28:00,746 --> 00:28:03,781
The last stop of the
tour is a new sports complex

646
00:28:03,782 --> 00:28:06,684
where Dennis is asked to shoot
a few baskets for the cameras.

647
00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,854
Dennis was a rebounder,
not a shooter,

648
00:28:08,855 --> 00:28:12,691
but even so, he might need
to dust off a few cobwebs

649
00:28:12,692 --> 00:28:14,426
before the big game.

650
00:28:14,427 --> 00:28:16,528
I can't shoot. I can't shoot.

651
00:28:16,529 --> 00:28:18,665
Give me a ball. I can't shoot.

652
00:28:18,666 --> 00:28:19,566
Shit!

653
00:28:19,567 --> 00:28:21,268
That was like -- I'm tired.

654
00:28:23,237 --> 00:28:26,773
I can't -- I don't know.
I can't shoot the damn ball.

655
00:28:27,809 --> 00:28:29,410
Shit!

656
00:28:29,411 --> 00:28:29,999
Oh, my god!

657
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,847
Oh, my god!

658
00:28:33,782 --> 00:28:35,783
Oh, come on!

659
00:28:37,286 --> 00:28:38,453
Ah!

660
00:28:41,157 --> 00:28:43,226
Finally.

661
00:28:48,832 --> 00:28:50,767
It's just a few days
until Christmas,

662
00:28:50,768 --> 00:28:52,935
and it's time for Dennis
and his entourage to head home

663
00:28:52,936 --> 00:28:56,706
to spend some quality time
with their friends and families.

664
00:28:56,707 --> 00:28:58,675
As a nation,
north Korea doesn't follow

665
00:28:58,676 --> 00:28:59,999
any traditional
sort of religion,

666
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,412
any traditional
sort of religion,

667
00:29:00,413 --> 00:29:02,546
and they certainly
don't celebrate Christmas.

668
00:29:02,547 --> 00:29:06,617
But was Dennis disappointed
that his friend Kim jong-Un

669
00:29:06,618 --> 00:29:09,621
hadn't gotten into the spirit
and stopped by for a visit?

670
00:29:09,622 --> 00:29:11,423
Merry Christmas. Happy new year.

671
00:29:11,424 --> 00:29:14,392
I'm not just coming over here
to meet their leader,

672
00:29:14,393 --> 00:29:15,860
the marshal.

673
00:29:15,861 --> 00:29:18,798
I came over here
to meet the basketball team,

674
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,601
to prepare a great game
for the leader for his birthday.

675
00:29:22,602 --> 00:29:24,703
And people
will need to understand

676
00:29:24,704 --> 00:29:28,308
that it was
just not important for me

677
00:29:28,309 --> 00:29:29,999
to meet him
every time I come over,

678
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,311
to meet him
every time I come over,

679
00:29:30,312 --> 00:29:33,413
because he has another greater
job to do for his country.

680
00:29:34,749 --> 00:29:36,550
I think it's safe to say
pretty much...

681
00:29:36,551 --> 00:29:38,619
So Dennis remains upbeat,

682
00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:40,354
and with the first part
of the trip

683
00:29:40,355 --> 00:29:42,256
successfully under his belt,
he arrives back in Beijing.

684
00:29:42,257 --> 00:29:45,860
But what Dennis doesn't know
is that while he's been away,

685
00:29:45,861 --> 00:29:48,730
international interest
in the game has erupted

686
00:29:48,731 --> 00:29:53,368
and the world media
is waiting for him.

687
00:29:53,369 --> 00:29:57,639
♪ Silent night ♪

688
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,999
♪ Holy night ♪

689
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,479
♪ Holy night ♪

690
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,416
♪ All is calm ♪

691
00:30:06,417 --> 00:30:10,621
♪ All is bright ♪

692
00:30:10,622 --> 00:30:15,593
♪ Round yon virgin ♪

693
00:30:15,594 --> 00:30:20,432
♪ Mother and child ♪

694
00:30:20,433 --> 00:30:21,766
♪ Holy infant ♪

695
00:30:21,767 --> 00:30:23,835
Hey, Dennis,
are you disappointed?

696
00:30:23,836 --> 00:30:27,472
Are you disappointed that
you didn't meet Kim jong-Un?

697
00:30:28,642 --> 00:30:29,999
♪ Sleep in heavenly peace ♪

698
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:38,000
♪ Sleep in heavenly peace ♪

699
00:30:38,386 --> 00:30:46,386
♪ Sleep in heavenly peace ♪

700
00:30:46,828 --> 00:30:51,799
♪ Silent night ♪

701
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,471
♪ Holy night ♪

702
00:30:56,472 --> 00:30:59,999
♪ All is calm ♪

703
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,843
♪ All is calm ♪

704
00:31:00,844 --> 00:31:05,648
♪ All is bright ♪

705
00:31:05,649 --> 00:31:09,886
♪ Round yon virgin ♪

706
00:31:09,887 --> 00:31:14,424
♪ Mother and child ♪

707
00:31:14,425 --> 00:31:18,396
♪ Holy infant ♪

708
00:31:18,397 --> 00:31:23,534
♪ So tender and mild ♪

709
00:31:23,535 --> 00:31:29,999
♪ Sleep in heavenly peace ♪

710
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,844
♪ Sleep in heavenly peace ♪

711
00:31:32,845 --> 00:31:35,347
Over the Christmas break,

712
00:31:35,348 --> 00:31:38,450
the amount of negative press
surrounding the game

713
00:31:38,451 --> 00:31:39,752
mounts and mounts.

714
00:31:39,753 --> 00:31:41,854
Dennis, the focal point
of the media's anger.

715
00:31:41,855 --> 00:31:44,424
And Dennis learns
that as a result,

716
00:31:44,425 --> 00:31:46,559
not everybody
will be joining him

717
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,528
on the return journey
to Pyongyang

718
00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:50,498
in a fortnight's time.

719
00:31:57,339 --> 00:31:59,641
Everything changed
before Christmas.

720
00:31:59,642 --> 00:32:00,000
Our collective view in terms of
our participation in the project

721
00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:03,612
our collective view in terms of
our participation in the project

722
00:32:03,613 --> 00:32:05,413
changed before Christmas.

723
00:32:05,414 --> 00:32:08,483
And that had, obviously,
to do with the purge.

724
00:32:08,484 --> 00:32:11,621
North Korea
was suddenly the subject

725
00:32:11,622 --> 00:32:15,458
of intense, intense
international scrutiny.

726
00:32:15,459 --> 00:32:17,593
"Dramatic statement
that Kim jong-Un

727
00:32:17,594 --> 00:32:18,862
intends to be ruthless."

728
00:32:18,863 --> 00:32:22,199
Fears of a new instability
in north Korea.

729
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,235
Kim jong-Un is basically telling
the elite in Pyongyang,

730
00:32:25,236 --> 00:32:27,838
"if you're disloyal to me,
you will be executed."

731
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:29,999
That made us reassess
exactly what we were doing.

732
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,509
That made us reassess
exactly what we were doing.

733
00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:33,511
And that led us to a position

734
00:32:33,512 --> 00:32:35,813
that we were no longer
comfortable

735
00:32:35,814 --> 00:32:37,916
being associated with the event.

736
00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:45,958
Paddy power has pulled out,

737
00:32:45,959 --> 00:32:47,926
which at first glance,
was seen to be

738
00:32:47,927 --> 00:32:49,763
a massive blow for Dennis.

739
00:32:49,764 --> 00:32:51,231
Without them, his project

740
00:32:51,232 --> 00:32:53,600
would never have gotten
off the ground.

741
00:32:53,601 --> 00:32:54,901
And it would have been fun
to watch

742
00:32:54,902 --> 00:32:56,770
a self-promoting
gambling company

743
00:32:56,771 --> 00:32:58,271
hanging out in a country

744
00:32:58,272 --> 00:33:00,152
where both advertising
and gambling are illegal.

745
00:33:01,910 --> 00:33:03,944
But when Dennis arrives
back in Beijing,

746
00:33:03,945 --> 00:33:06,547
he doesn't seem too concerned.

747
00:33:06,548 --> 00:33:07,848
Now paddy power are not around,

748
00:33:07,849 --> 00:33:09,718
this is solely
the Dennis rodman show.

749
00:33:09,719 --> 00:33:12,721
No wonder he seems upbeat
as he meets

750
00:33:12,722 --> 00:33:14,756
his fellow
American basketball players

751
00:33:14,757 --> 00:33:16,693
who've signed up for the match.

752
00:33:18,327 --> 00:33:22,465
Cliff Robinson.
I played 18 years in the nba.

753
00:33:22,466 --> 00:33:26,536
This is an opportunity
of a lifetime for me.

754
00:33:26,537 --> 00:33:29,506
Doug christie,
played in the nba for 14 years,

755
00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:30,000
from Los Angeles
via Seattle, Washington.

756
00:33:30,001 --> 00:33:32,176
From Los Angeles
via Seattle, Washington.

757
00:33:32,177 --> 00:33:35,813
Kenny Anderson.
Played 14 years in the nba.

758
00:33:35,814 --> 00:33:38,949
Coach high school ball now
in Florida.

759
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:41,820
The number-one dunker
in the world...

760
00:33:42,788 --> 00:33:44,589
My name is guy dupree.

761
00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:48,226
I'm from Paris, France,
live in fort Myers, Florida.

762
00:33:48,227 --> 00:33:50,963
I'm 26 years old,
play in the euroleague.

763
00:33:50,964 --> 00:33:53,899
Vin Baker.
Played 13 years in the nba.

764
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:57,770
Currently finishing halfway
through my masters program

765
00:33:57,771 --> 00:33:59,999
at union seminary in New York.

766
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:00,174
At union seminary in New York.

767
00:34:00,175 --> 00:34:01,808
Name's Andre pool,

768
00:34:01,809 --> 00:34:04,611
also known as silk, you know,
to the street ball world.

769
00:34:04,612 --> 00:34:06,813
My name is Antoine Scott
from north Carolina.

770
00:34:06,814 --> 00:34:08,615
I graduated from wake forest.

771
00:34:08,616 --> 00:34:10,952
One key member of the squad

772
00:34:10,953 --> 00:34:14,722
is the former New York Knicks
power forward Charles Smith.

773
00:34:14,723 --> 00:34:17,225
Since leaving the nba,
he's carved out a career

774
00:34:17,226 --> 00:34:19,260
staging exhibition games
around the world.

775
00:34:19,261 --> 00:34:23,265
We're the first U.S. team
to step on north Korea's soil

776
00:34:23,266 --> 00:34:26,602
and have a game
against their national team.

777
00:34:26,603 --> 00:34:27,703
That's a fact.

778
00:34:27,704 --> 00:34:29,705
We, from this point on,

779
00:34:29,706 --> 00:34:30,000
we are going to --
Everybody in this room

780
00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:31,741
we are going to --
Everybody in this room

781
00:34:31,742 --> 00:34:33,543
is going to be bonded

782
00:34:33,544 --> 00:34:38,848
for the rest of our lives
in a historical, epic event.

783
00:34:38,849 --> 00:34:41,585
You know, anyway, guys,
it's amazing, guys.

784
00:34:41,586 --> 00:34:43,554
Thank you guys for doing this.

785
00:34:43,555 --> 00:34:45,589
You know, like I said,
it's not for me.

786
00:34:45,590 --> 00:34:47,191
It's for, like --

787
00:34:47,192 --> 00:34:51,196
This is basically a game,
pretty much, for the world.

788
00:34:51,197 --> 00:34:53,865
And the one thing
that I'm very fortunate --

789
00:34:53,866 --> 00:34:56,368
I'm very fortunate in the fact
that I actually

790
00:34:56,369 --> 00:34:59,938
have an opportunity
to be in their country,

791
00:34:59,939 --> 00:35:00,000
and the marshal
actually likes me.

792
00:35:00,001 --> 00:35:02,208
And the marshal
actually likes me.

793
00:35:02,209 --> 00:35:05,344
And I'm not trying to be
a politician.

794
00:35:05,345 --> 00:35:07,880
I'm not trying to be this,
you know, this world leader,

795
00:35:07,881 --> 00:35:10,884
to try to, you know, rescue
people and stuff like that.

796
00:35:10,885 --> 00:35:11,952
This is all about sports.

797
00:35:11,953 --> 00:35:13,587
This is all about sports.

798
00:35:13,588 --> 00:35:15,489
This ain't nothing else
besides that.

799
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:18,759
And when the media asks you guys
anything -- because it's coming.

800
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,229
When we go to the airport,
you're gonna see it.

801
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:23,665
It's gonna be
a fucking motherfucker.

802
00:35:23,666 --> 00:35:25,366
So when somebody
asks you questions,

803
00:35:25,367 --> 00:35:26,901
just keep it bland as hell.

804
00:35:26,902 --> 00:35:28,803
You know, "we're just going
to play a game.

805
00:35:28,804 --> 00:35:29,999
Play a game,
it's all about sports."

806
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,806
Play a game,
it's all about sports."

807
00:35:30,807 --> 00:35:32,541
Keep it natural and cool.

808
00:35:32,542 --> 00:35:34,810
They need something.
They're like vultures.

809
00:35:34,811 --> 00:35:36,245
They got to have something.

810
00:35:36,246 --> 00:35:37,913
And they're coming
to get something.

811
00:35:37,914 --> 00:35:40,250
And our job
is not to give them anything.

812
00:35:40,251 --> 00:35:42,853
♪ I gotta get out
of this place ♪

813
00:35:42,854 --> 00:35:45,857
♪ It's been dragging me down
for too long ♪

814
00:35:48,593 --> 00:35:50,895
♪ And no one said it was easy ♪

815
00:35:50,896 --> 00:35:54,299
♪ But I gotta go thinking
on my own ♪

816
00:35:55,834 --> 00:35:58,269
♪ I'm a man with a plan ♪

817
00:35:58,270 --> 00:35:59,999
♪ And you got me
writhing inside ♪

818
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,240
♪ And you got me
writhing inside ♪

819
00:36:01,241 --> 00:36:04,910
♪ Loaded up and ready to go ♪

820
00:36:04,911 --> 00:36:06,979
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪

821
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:10,650
♪ If you get one chance ♪

822
00:36:10,651 --> 00:36:12,953
♪ You gotta take it ♪

823
00:36:14,288 --> 00:36:17,423
♪ And if you get one shot ♪

824
00:36:17,424 --> 00:36:19,727
♪ You gotta make it ♪

825
00:36:25,834 --> 00:36:29,536
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪

826
00:36:29,537 --> 00:36:30,000
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
♪ got no time for u-turns ♪

827
00:36:30,001 --> 00:36:31,940
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
♪ got no time for u-turns ♪

828
00:36:31,941 --> 00:36:33,975
♪ Watching my dreams burn ♪

829
00:36:33,976 --> 00:36:38,747
♪ If it all comes down
to being a clown ♪

830
00:36:38,748 --> 00:36:40,850
♪ You gotta believe me that... ♪

831
00:36:40,851 --> 00:36:43,252
So Dennis' pals are
here and for his fourth time,

832
00:36:43,253 --> 00:36:45,221
he's on a flight to Pyongyang.

833
00:36:45,222 --> 00:36:48,591
On the surface, it seems like
everything is back on track --

834
00:36:48,592 --> 00:36:52,329
Apart from one
very significant thing.

835
00:36:52,330 --> 00:36:54,498
Despite Dennis
appearing to be in good spirits,

836
00:36:54,499 --> 00:36:56,433
the Christmas break
was a really stressful time.

837
00:36:56,434 --> 00:36:57,901
He got a hammering in the press,

838
00:36:57,902 --> 00:36:59,937
and he was hounded
wherever he went,

839
00:36:59,938 --> 00:37:00,000
which led to a number
of painful family issues.

840
00:37:00,001 --> 00:37:02,874
Which led to a number
of painful family issues.

841
00:37:02,875 --> 00:37:04,642
To cope with the added stress,

842
00:37:04,643 --> 00:37:07,345
Dennis has started drinking --
A lot.

843
00:37:07,346 --> 00:37:10,748
He's battled alcoholism
for much of his adult life,

844
00:37:10,749 --> 00:37:12,885
and with the game
just a couple of days away,

845
00:37:12,886 --> 00:37:16,755
it's not the best of times
to be falling off the wagon.

846
00:37:17,958 --> 00:37:19,759
Aw, come on!

847
00:37:24,832 --> 00:37:27,867
♪ Ooh ♪

848
00:37:27,868 --> 00:37:29,999
♪ Ooh, ooh ♪

849
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,674
♪ Ooh, ooh ♪

850
00:37:33,675 --> 00:37:36,377
♪ Been running away
for so long ♪

851
00:37:36,378 --> 00:37:39,381
♪ That I don't know
where I'm going to ♪

852
00:37:41,718 --> 00:37:43,652
♪ Don't look back anymore ♪

853
00:37:43,653 --> 00:37:46,855
♪ 'Cause some day
I'm gonna find the truth ♪

854
00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:49,358
We got to go. We got to go.

855
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:51,227
♪ I'm a man with a plan ♪

856
00:37:51,228 --> 00:37:54,330
♪ And you got me
writhing inside ♪

857
00:37:54,331 --> 00:37:58,201
♪ Loaded up and ready to go ♪

858
00:37:58,202 --> 00:37:59,999
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪

859
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,404
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪

860
00:38:00,405 --> 00:38:02,906
♪ If you get one chance ♪

861
00:38:02,907 --> 00:38:05,377
♪ You gotta take it ♪

862
00:38:06,978 --> 00:38:10,981
♪ And if you get one shot ♪

863
00:38:10,982 --> 00:38:12,250
♪ You gotta make it ♪

864
00:38:12,251 --> 00:38:15,887
New York City, north Korea!

865
00:38:15,888 --> 00:38:17,922
This is wild!

866
00:38:17,923 --> 00:38:19,625
♪ If you get one chance ♪

867
00:38:22,996 --> 00:38:25,798
♪ If you get one shot ♪

868
00:38:25,799 --> 00:38:28,934
The American team makes a
short stop-off at the koryo hotel.

869
00:38:28,935 --> 00:38:29,999
So what are the first thoughts?

870
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,705
So what are the first thoughts?

871
00:38:31,706 --> 00:38:34,307
I guess it's a culture shock
in a lot of ways.

872
00:38:34,308 --> 00:38:36,376
This is something
that we haven't experienced.

873
00:38:36,377 --> 00:38:38,278
I mean, I haven't personally.

874
00:38:38,279 --> 00:38:41,783
I've been to a few countries,
but this one is different.

875
00:38:41,784 --> 00:38:44,819
So tonight will be
an interesting experience

876
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:46,387
to see dinner.

877
00:38:46,388 --> 00:38:51,259
Obviously,
Dennis will be entertaining.

878
00:38:52,429 --> 00:38:54,830
As Doug mentions, they're off

879
00:38:54,831 --> 00:38:57,699
to a fancy gala dinner that's
been held in the players' honor.

880
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,902
In attendance, a number
of important dignitaries

881
00:38:59,903 --> 00:39:00,000
and personal friends
of Kim jong-Un.

882
00:39:00,001 --> 00:39:04,607
And personal friends
of Kim jong-Un.

883
00:39:04,608 --> 00:39:05,942
Hey, guys.

884
00:39:05,943 --> 00:39:07,444
Hey, guys.

885
00:39:07,445 --> 00:39:10,648
Lookit --
All this shit.

886
00:39:13,952 --> 00:39:16,821
Dennis, who has continued
drinking since the flight,

887
00:39:16,822 --> 00:39:18,989
gets things off
to an interesting start

888
00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:22,227
by holding
the sports minister's hand

889
00:39:22,228 --> 00:39:24,230
as they walk into the room.

890
00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:36,876
I would like to express
my thanks to Mr. Dennis rodman

891
00:39:36,877 --> 00:39:39,378
for a civil visit
to our country.

892
00:39:39,379 --> 00:39:42,483
The resplendent marshal,
Kim jong-Un,

893
00:39:42,484 --> 00:39:43,917
has paid a deep attention

894
00:39:43,918 --> 00:39:46,920
to the visit of Mr. rodman
and his group.

895
00:39:46,921 --> 00:39:48,890
I propose a toast.

896
00:39:50,625 --> 00:39:53,661
After a warm welcome
from the north Koreans,

897
00:39:53,662 --> 00:39:56,931
it's now time for Dennis,
as the guest of honor,

898
00:39:56,932 --> 00:39:59,267
to deliver
his own momentous speech.

899
00:40:02,472 --> 00:40:04,206
I just want to thank --

900
00:40:04,207 --> 00:40:05,341
♪ In the Navy ♪

901
00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:09,411
I'm so sorry.

902
00:40:09,412 --> 00:40:11,547
Anyway, um...

903
00:40:11,548 --> 00:40:15,285
I want to thank all my guys
here from America,

904
00:40:15,286 --> 00:40:18,221
former nba players,
for coming here.

905
00:40:18,222 --> 00:40:22,894
It's very -- it's an honor
to do what we're doing.

906
00:40:36,242 --> 00:40:37,509
Oh, here we go again
with the toasting.

907
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:39,611
God damn it,
you got to toast, guys.

908
00:40:39,612 --> 00:40:42,549
Got to toast.
It's every two minutes.

909
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:45,319
I told you,
it's every two minutes.

910
00:40:49,924 --> 00:40:51,425
Jesus Christ!

911
00:40:53,895 --> 00:40:55,663
Hey, vin Baker,
you want to talk?

912
00:40:55,664 --> 00:40:59,533
This is a tremendous opportunity
for us, as former nba players,

913
00:40:59,534 --> 00:41:00,000
to bring basketball here
to your country.

914
00:41:00,001 --> 00:41:02,537
To bring basketball here
to your country.

915
00:41:02,538 --> 00:41:05,307
And we really appreciate
the opportunity.

916
00:41:05,308 --> 00:41:07,542
And we hope that this
is something special

917
00:41:07,543 --> 00:41:09,244
that will last a lifetime

918
00:41:09,245 --> 00:41:10,946
for you and your families
as well.

919
00:41:10,947 --> 00:41:15,551
So whatever we've heard about
north Korea is in the past.

920
00:41:15,552 --> 00:41:18,287
We are here for our eyes to see.

921
00:41:18,288 --> 00:41:21,591
We are here
because we wanted to be here.

922
00:41:21,592 --> 00:41:24,294
We are here at your invitation.

923
00:41:24,295 --> 00:41:28,398
And we are looking very forward
to playing the match

924
00:41:28,399 --> 00:41:29,999
against the north Korea
senior team,

925
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,368
against the north Korea
senior team,

926
00:41:31,369 --> 00:41:37,008
and I think it's gonna be
great entertainment.

927
00:41:42,681 --> 00:41:44,550
Hey, bill, you do it!

928
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:48,387
Yeah, I know.

929
00:41:48,388 --> 00:41:51,257
All right.

930
00:41:58,332 --> 00:41:59,999
Now that the formalities

931
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:00,001
Now that the formalities

932
00:42:00,002 --> 00:42:02,002
are out of the way,
the night can begin,

933
00:42:02,003 --> 00:42:05,973
with Dennis, as ever,
the life and soul of the party.

934
00:42:10,712 --> 00:42:14,349
Hey, guys, watch this bullshit!

935
00:42:14,350 --> 00:42:15,684
Ah!

936
00:42:18,621 --> 00:42:20,522
Here we go, here we go,
here we go!

937
00:42:20,523 --> 00:42:21,456
Watch this.

938
00:42:52,224 --> 00:42:54,360
Ah!

939
00:42:58,465 --> 00:42:59,999
Here's one. Fuck it.

940
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,367
Here's one. Fuck it.

941
00:43:01,368 --> 00:43:04,371
♪ I ain't have no santoria ♪

942
00:43:04,372 --> 00:43:06,673
♪ I ain't have no crystal ball ♪

943
00:43:06,674 --> 00:43:10,677
♪ I had a million dollars
and I -- ♪

944
00:43:10,678 --> 00:43:12,245
Okay.

945
00:43:12,246 --> 00:43:14,282
There you go.
I'm sorry about this.

946
00:43:16,318 --> 00:43:19,287
♪ I live... ♪

947
00:43:19,288 --> 00:43:22,557
♪ The life that's full ♪

948
00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:24,660
♪ Too full ♪

949
00:43:24,661 --> 00:43:27,262
♪ Too full to mention ♪

950
00:43:27,263 --> 00:43:29,399
Yeah, oh, my god!

951
00:43:35,373 --> 00:43:38,475
Dennis gets more
unruly as the evening wears on,

952
00:43:38,476 --> 00:43:40,677
but no one seems
particularly concerned,

953
00:43:40,678 --> 00:43:42,645
not even the north Korean
dignitaries.

954
00:43:45,016 --> 00:43:46,417
Just ask any liquor you want,

955
00:43:46,418 --> 00:43:47,685
they'll bring a bottle
over here.

956
00:43:47,686 --> 00:43:49,754
Oh, my god,
we got guys over here doing...

957
00:43:49,755 --> 00:43:52,022
But that all changes when
Dennis gets into a conversation

958
00:43:52,023 --> 00:43:53,792
with Matt Cooper,
an Irish journalist

959
00:43:53,793 --> 00:43:55,560
traveling with the group

960
00:43:55,561 --> 00:43:57,429
who intends to write a book
about Dennis' trip.

961
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:59,331
Dennis knew
all about Cooper's plans,

962
00:43:59,332 --> 00:43:59,999
but all of a sudden,
he's not happy.

963
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,266
But all of a sudden,
he's not happy.

964
00:44:01,267 --> 00:44:03,502
No, no, walk!

965
00:44:03,503 --> 00:44:05,705
Why?

966
00:44:05,706 --> 00:44:07,807
And because what?

967
00:44:07,808 --> 00:44:10,476
Are you banking on something?

968
00:44:11,845 --> 00:44:15,315
Do I need you? Oh, hell no!

969
00:44:15,316 --> 00:44:16,750
Write your book now, sissy!

970
00:44:16,751 --> 00:44:18,685
Know everything, right?

971
00:44:18,686 --> 00:44:22,556
Let him tell you
what's really going on.

972
00:44:22,557 --> 00:44:26,595
No book! No book!

973
00:44:34,738 --> 00:44:36,739
Over a book about north Korea?

974
00:44:36,740 --> 00:44:41,510
Show me north Korea!

975
00:44:41,511 --> 00:44:45,449
Show me! Show me!

976
00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:48,752
Show me!

977
00:44:50,621 --> 00:44:51,889
Show me!

978
00:44:54,793 --> 00:44:57,529
Hate this shit!

979
00:45:00,499 --> 00:45:01,499
No!

980
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:04,603
It ain't about the money!

981
00:45:04,604 --> 00:45:07,339
It's do one thing --
Trying to help people!

982
00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:09,007
That's it!

983
00:45:09,008 --> 00:45:12,244
The atmosphere in the
room is painful for everyone,

984
00:45:12,245 --> 00:45:14,714
and despite it being all smiles
at the end of the night,

985
00:45:14,715 --> 00:45:19,752
what will Kim jong-Un think
when word gets back to him?

986
00:45:19,753 --> 00:45:21,255
Stupid ass.

987
00:45:39,809 --> 00:45:43,411
So the next morning,
it's back to business,

988
00:45:43,412 --> 00:45:45,915
and Dennis is on his way
to the stadium

989
00:45:45,916 --> 00:45:49,585
to run a joint training session
with both the American

990
00:45:49,586 --> 00:45:51,822
and north Korean
basketball teams.

991
00:46:10,543 --> 00:46:12,610
It's a momentous occasion

992
00:46:12,611 --> 00:46:14,646
as it's the first time
that the two sides have met.

993
00:46:14,647 --> 00:46:17,750
And the session is their only
chance to size each other up

994
00:46:17,751 --> 00:46:19,552
before tomorrow's big game.

995
00:46:19,553 --> 00:46:21,720
But even though
it's only 10:00 A.M.,

996
00:46:21,721 --> 00:46:23,689
Dennis has already
started drinking.

997
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:26,893
That's badass vodka. Shit.

998
00:46:26,894 --> 00:46:29,999
Oh, hey.
Who the fuck is with me?

999
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,465
Oh, hey.
Who the fuck is with me?

1000
00:46:35,737 --> 00:46:37,505
But the show must go on.

1001
00:46:37,506 --> 00:46:38,606
Watch this.

1002
00:46:40,709 --> 00:46:42,510
Oh, yeah!

1003
00:46:42,511 --> 00:46:44,445
Are you ready? Are you ready?

1004
00:46:44,446 --> 00:46:46,481
Hey, guy, I got plenty
of that bullshit. Come on.

1005
00:46:46,482 --> 00:46:48,450
For all his enthusiasm,

1006
00:46:48,451 --> 00:46:51,520
Dennis isn't in the ideal
condition to lead the drills.

1007
00:46:51,521 --> 00:46:54,523
Come on, guys, come on. Damn.

1008
00:46:54,524 --> 00:46:56,760
Come on, guys.

1009
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:02,732
Yeah!

1010
00:47:02,733 --> 00:47:05,569
Charles Smith,

1011
00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:07,871
who runs basketball courses
all over the world,

1012
00:47:07,872 --> 00:47:09,741
is quick to step in
and take charge.

1013
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:14,478
Good, good. Good job.

1014
00:47:14,479 --> 00:47:17,649
Now you're gonna come across

1015
00:47:17,650 --> 00:47:19,918
and you have to read
the defense.

1016
00:47:19,919 --> 00:47:21,886
Okay?

1017
00:47:21,887 --> 00:47:24,589
Before you catch the ball,
tell him to read the defense.

1018
00:47:24,590 --> 00:47:26,559
He's got to know
where the defender is.

1019
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,561
I just want him to jump.

1020
00:47:28,562 --> 00:47:29,999
Not like this.

1021
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,497
Not like this.

1022
00:47:30,498 --> 00:47:33,265
You want them to jump up.

1023
00:47:33,266 --> 00:47:34,567
Jump.

1024
00:47:34,568 --> 00:47:39,706
Good, good. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

1025
00:47:39,707 --> 00:47:40,741
Yes, good job.

1026
00:47:40,742 --> 00:47:42,709
Hey, hey, hey. Good job.

1027
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:44,444
Good job.

1028
00:47:44,445 --> 00:47:46,381
You ready?
Come on, guys, come on.

1029
00:47:46,382 --> 00:47:48,883
Come on, play, play, play!
Come on, go, go, go, go!

1030
00:47:48,884 --> 00:47:49,984
Come on, play!

1031
00:47:49,985 --> 00:47:51,786
No, we're not playing, Dennis,

1032
00:47:51,787 --> 00:47:53,921
we're trying to show 'em
what to do.

1033
00:47:53,922 --> 00:47:55,924
We're trying to show 'em
what to do.

1034
00:47:55,925 --> 00:47:57,826
He don't know what to do.

1035
00:47:57,827 --> 00:47:59,999
All right. All right, fuck it.

1036
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:00,596
All right. All right, fuck it.

1037
00:48:00,597 --> 00:48:02,564
I don't know shit.

1038
00:48:02,565 --> 00:48:03,999
I'm trying.

1039
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,471
Hey, just play. What, boom!

1040
00:48:08,472 --> 00:48:09,739
Oh!

1041
00:48:09,740 --> 00:48:11,675
Look at the side.
Half court.

1042
00:48:12,943 --> 00:48:15,412
Oh, oh!

1043
00:48:15,413 --> 00:48:17,882
It's sad to see Dennis
playing such a minor role.

1044
00:48:17,883 --> 00:48:19,650
After all,
he picked this north Korean team

1045
00:48:19,651 --> 00:48:21,352
just a few weeks ago.

1046
00:48:21,353 --> 00:48:23,421
Is that simple shit,
or is that simple shit?

1047
00:48:23,422 --> 00:48:24,922
Simple.

1048
00:48:24,923 --> 00:48:26,658
They're a talented bunch,

1049
00:48:26,659 --> 00:48:29,494
and it's possible that Charles
and the other U.S. players

1050
00:48:29,495 --> 00:48:29,999
are underestimating them,

1051
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:30,929
are underestimating them,

1052
00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:32,931
something Dennis might have
been able to tell them,

1053
00:48:32,932 --> 00:48:34,266
but right now,
he's a bit too drunk

1054
00:48:34,267 --> 00:48:35,835
to be much use to anybody.

1055
00:48:35,836 --> 00:48:39,806
Dennis is unpredictable,
especially when he had a few.

1056
00:48:39,807 --> 00:48:42,675
But at the end of the day,
like I said,

1057
00:48:42,676 --> 00:48:44,544
Dennis is a great guy.

1058
00:48:44,545 --> 00:48:49,616
In my mind,
a guy who has a big heart

1059
00:48:49,617 --> 00:48:51,018
and only wants to try to do
the best.

1060
00:48:51,019 --> 00:48:52,986
So what do you think
about the --

1061
00:48:52,987 --> 00:48:54,988
He don't understand
what the fuck saying.

1062
00:48:54,989 --> 00:48:57,826
Switch, switch!

1063
00:48:57,827 --> 00:48:59,999
Tell 'em to switch!

1064
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,529
Tell 'em to switch!

1065
00:49:01,530 --> 00:49:03,298
♪ What's going on ♪

1066
00:49:03,299 --> 00:49:05,033
Oh, okay.

1067
00:49:05,034 --> 00:49:07,303
As the session winds down,

1068
00:49:07,304 --> 00:49:09,972
what do the north Koreans think
about the upcoming game?

1069
00:49:09,973 --> 00:49:12,808
The match to be held tomorrow

1070
00:49:12,809 --> 00:49:16,313
will be a good opportunity
to exchange and to learn

1071
00:49:16,314 --> 00:49:18,782
each other
in the field of basketball.

1072
00:49:18,783 --> 00:49:21,852
We think that
it's the most important thing

1073
00:49:21,853 --> 00:49:25,655
to learn each other
and to exchange the experience.

1074
00:49:25,656 --> 00:49:27,825
It is a good opportunity for us

1075
00:49:27,826 --> 00:49:29,999
to exchange
and to learn each other.

1076
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:30,728
To exchange
and to learn each other.

1077
00:49:30,729 --> 00:49:32,263
It almost seems

1078
00:49:32,264 --> 00:49:34,632
as though they've been told
what to say.

1079
00:49:34,633 --> 00:49:36,870
But not everybody
is toeing the line.

1080
00:49:45,945 --> 00:49:48,681
So thank you.

1081
00:49:53,287 --> 00:49:56,758
You got to do one thing.

1082
00:50:03,498 --> 00:50:04,799
Bow.

1083
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,668
All right, all right.

1084
00:50:06,669 --> 00:50:09,838
The U.S. players
head back to the hotel

1085
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:11,540
for a spot of relaxation,

1086
00:50:11,541 --> 00:50:13,642
but some worrying news
awaits them.

1087
00:50:13,643 --> 00:50:15,010
A number of players
had been left messages

1088
00:50:15,011 --> 00:50:16,779
by their sponsors
back in the United States

1089
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:20,449
who are threatening to drop them
if they take part in the game.

1090
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:22,919
Understandably,
the camp becomes unsettled,

1091
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,721
and, suddenly, there's talk
of pulling out --

1092
00:50:25,722 --> 00:50:26,957
Just a day before the game.

1093
00:50:26,958 --> 00:50:28,792
Again, Charles Smith
takes charge

1094
00:50:28,793 --> 00:50:29,999
and crisis talks are held
behind closed doors.

1095
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,995
And crisis talks are held
behind closed doors.

1096
00:50:31,996 --> 00:50:34,364
Okay.

1097
00:50:34,365 --> 00:50:35,933
When the player re-emerge,
it's revealed

1098
00:50:35,934 --> 00:50:37,902
that Smith has organized
an exclusive interview

1099
00:50:37,903 --> 00:50:40,004
with the news network CNN.

1100
00:50:40,005 --> 00:50:42,774
The players hope it will give them a
chance to tell their side of the story

1101
00:50:42,775 --> 00:50:45,977
and calm the situation
with their sponsors back home.

1102
00:50:45,978 --> 00:50:49,582
Smith gets busy working through
a list of CNN's questions

1103
00:50:49,583 --> 00:50:52,718
to make sure the players all
sing from the same hymn sheet.

1104
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,054
These are
professional basketball alumni.

1105
00:50:55,055 --> 00:50:57,657
In the letter,
we got to mention the Olympics.

1106
00:50:57,658 --> 00:50:59,759
'Cause that was
part of the assurance.

1107
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,000
Dennis, on the other hand,

1108
00:51:00,001 --> 00:51:01,728
Dennis, on the other hand,

1109
00:51:01,729 --> 00:51:04,831
who has been relaxing with
a few more drinks in his room,

1110
00:51:04,832 --> 00:51:06,968
has only just found out
what's going on.

1111
00:51:06,969 --> 00:51:08,302
Come on!

1112
00:51:08,303 --> 00:51:10,438
We expect it to be
a capacity crowd

1113
00:51:10,439 --> 00:51:13,007
because it's been capacity crowd
everywhere we go.

1114
00:51:13,008 --> 00:51:14,609
Okay. That's the answer.

1115
00:51:19,916 --> 00:51:21,016
What is this?

1116
00:51:21,017 --> 00:51:23,018
We're just going over
the questions.

1117
00:51:23,019 --> 00:51:25,287
Going over all the questions?

1118
00:51:25,288 --> 00:51:27,858
Dennis, we're just going over
all the questions today.

1119
00:51:30,995 --> 00:51:32,428
Are we on the same page?

1120
00:51:32,429 --> 00:51:34,297
Yeah, we're getting
on the same page.

1121
00:51:34,298 --> 00:51:35,698
Almost there. Okay, fuck it.

1122
00:51:35,699 --> 00:51:37,835
Floyd, are you staying with us
or are you going?

1123
00:51:37,836 --> 00:51:39,003
Are you leaving?

1124
00:51:39,004 --> 00:51:41,338
Let's finish this

1125
00:51:41,339 --> 00:51:44,041
so that we can, you know,
deal with that.

1126
00:51:44,042 --> 00:51:46,977
Dennis doesn't stick
around to go through the questions.

1127
00:51:46,978 --> 00:51:48,847
Instead, he waits outside,
frustrated

1128
00:51:48,848 --> 00:51:51,283
and maybe
just a little bit jealous

1129
00:51:51,284 --> 00:51:53,551
of Charles Smith's
growing influence.

1130
00:51:53,552 --> 00:51:56,021
All the players can say
their piece to everything.

1131
00:51:56,022 --> 00:51:57,757
And then in the --

1132
00:51:57,758 --> 00:51:58,958
He threw a glass.

1133
00:51:58,959 --> 00:51:59,999
And then outside of...

1134
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,360
And then outside of...

1135
00:52:01,361 --> 00:52:03,362
Outside of the...

1136
00:52:03,363 --> 00:52:06,465
He might be in a strop,

1137
00:52:06,466 --> 00:52:09,870
but Dennis is still
the face of the trip,

1138
00:52:09,871 --> 00:52:12,773
and Charles knows they need
to keep him on side.

1139
00:52:12,774 --> 00:52:14,808
When we finish,
we all get with him,

1140
00:52:14,809 --> 00:52:16,076
say thank you.

1141
00:52:16,077 --> 00:52:17,745
We got to make him feel good.

1142
00:52:17,746 --> 00:52:18,780
All right, guys?

1143
00:52:18,781 --> 00:52:20,815
Me of all people

1144
00:52:20,816 --> 00:52:24,886
is trying to change something
around the world.

1145
00:52:24,887 --> 00:52:29,725
And the one thing I like to do
is, like, help people.

1146
00:52:29,726 --> 00:52:30,000
And, finally, it's paying off.

1147
00:52:30,001 --> 00:52:32,027
And, finally, it's paying off.

1148
00:52:32,028 --> 00:52:35,798
After all these trying years.

1149
00:52:35,799 --> 00:52:37,767
Okay, there should be
somebody called Chris

1150
00:52:37,768 --> 00:52:38,969
coming to talk to you soon

1151
00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:40,337
on that ifb in your ear,

1152
00:52:40,338 --> 00:52:41,871
and you'll have one
for your ear.

1153
00:52:41,872 --> 00:52:43,373
And I'll put this on the side.

1154
00:52:43,374 --> 00:52:44,507
And try to tuck this...

1155
00:52:44,508 --> 00:52:46,943
We're live.

1156
00:52:46,944 --> 00:52:49,914
Are you in this?

1157
00:52:49,915 --> 00:52:56,387
We received a letter from
the d.P.R.K. Olympic committee,

1158
00:52:56,388 --> 00:52:59,999
an invitation to do this game.

1159
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:00,026
An invitation to do this game.

1160
00:53:00,027 --> 00:53:02,561
This isn't about Dennis.

1161
00:53:02,562 --> 00:53:06,465
We're here specifically to put
smiles on people's faces,

1162
00:53:06,466 --> 00:53:09,802
everlasting memories
in the minds of individuals,

1163
00:53:09,803 --> 00:53:13,006
and, hopefully,
with the good work that we do,

1164
00:53:13,007 --> 00:53:15,708
we give to charity
while we're here.

1165
00:53:15,709 --> 00:53:19,079
So, please, don't continue
to put politics into that.

1166
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,448
This is not what we're here for.

1167
00:53:21,449 --> 00:53:22,850
I get it, Charles.
I get it.

1168
00:53:22,851 --> 00:53:24,752
Can I answer that?
I get why you're there.

1169
00:53:24,753 --> 00:53:27,354
The problem is it's more
complicated than basketball.

1170
00:53:27,355 --> 00:53:29,057
It just is,

1171
00:53:29,058 --> 00:53:29,999
it's more complicated than
basketball, fellas, I'm sorry.

1172
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,860
It's more complicated than
basketball, fellas, I'm sorry.

1173
00:53:31,861 --> 00:53:33,762
But you say, you know what,
you say --

1174
00:53:33,763 --> 00:53:37,599
You say it's more complicated
than basketball.

1175
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,570
Basketball is not complicated
to us, and that's what we do.

1176
00:53:41,571 --> 00:53:44,840
The game has been presented
as a birthday present

1177
00:53:44,841 --> 00:53:46,042
to the ruler.

1178
00:53:46,043 --> 00:53:47,476
I'm not here to fight
with you guys.

1179
00:53:47,477 --> 00:53:49,046
I respect what you're doing.

1180
00:53:49,047 --> 00:53:51,915
I'm just concerned
for the family of this man

1181
00:53:51,916 --> 00:53:53,417
who is held there,

1182
00:53:53,418 --> 00:53:55,385
and I am concerned,
as many Americans are,

1183
00:53:55,386 --> 00:53:57,320
about giving a birthday present

1184
00:53:57,321 --> 00:53:59,424
to a man who is seen
as a despot,

1185
00:53:59,425 --> 00:53:59,999
who just had his uncle executed.

1186
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,325
Who just had his uncle executed.

1187
00:54:01,326 --> 00:54:04,462
I'll - I'll do it. Dennis,
you understand the issue.

1188
00:54:04,463 --> 00:54:07,298
It's not about hating
unamerican basketball players.

1189
00:54:07,299 --> 00:54:09,368
Yeah, but you can --
You can --

1190
00:54:09,369 --> 00:54:12,838
We're not -- again, we're not
here to deal with the politics.

1191
00:54:12,839 --> 00:54:15,607
The date of the game
is the date of the game.

1192
00:54:15,608 --> 00:54:17,409
The interview
is nearly over,

1193
00:54:17,410 --> 00:54:19,345
and Charles
has skillfully navigated

1194
00:54:19,346 --> 00:54:21,014
every question on CNN's list.

1195
00:54:21,015 --> 00:54:23,550
But at the last moment,
the interviewer lobs

1196
00:54:23,551 --> 00:54:25,018
a potentially dangerous

1197
00:54:25,019 --> 00:54:27,053
unscripted question
into the mix.

1198
00:54:27,054 --> 00:54:28,656
Dennis, let me end on this.

1199
00:54:28,657 --> 00:54:29,999
You do have a relationship
with this man. Yes.

1200
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:30,991
You do have a relationship
with this man. Yes.

1201
00:54:30,992 --> 00:54:33,994
Are you going to take
an opportunity, if you get it,

1202
00:54:33,995 --> 00:54:36,464
to speak up for the family
of Kenneth bae?

1203
00:54:36,465 --> 00:54:38,400
Will you take the opportunity?

1204
00:54:38,401 --> 00:54:39,734
Watch this.

1205
00:54:39,735 --> 00:54:43,572
If you understand
what Kenneth bae did,

1206
00:54:43,573 --> 00:54:45,540
you understand what he did
in this country.

1207
00:54:45,541 --> 00:54:47,375
What did he do, you tell me?

1208
00:54:47,376 --> 00:54:48,778
You tell me. What did he do?

1209
00:54:48,779 --> 00:54:51,314
No, no, no, you tell me!
You tell me!

1210
00:54:51,315 --> 00:54:53,483
Why is held captive
in this country? Why?

1211
00:54:53,484 --> 00:54:55,384
They haven't released
any charges.

1212
00:54:55,385 --> 00:54:56,919
They haven't released
any reason.

1213
00:54:58,388 --> 00:54:59,999
Listen --
No, let me do it.

1214
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:00,358
Listen --
No, let me do it.

1215
00:55:00,359 --> 00:55:02,526
I would love to speak on this.

1216
00:55:02,527 --> 00:55:03,527
Go ahead.

1217
00:55:03,528 --> 00:55:05,596
You know, you got --

1218
00:55:05,597 --> 00:55:09,567
Okay, you got 10 guys here --
10 guys here

1219
00:55:09,568 --> 00:55:13,872
that left their families,
left their damn families

1220
00:55:13,873 --> 00:55:18,376
to help this country
that's in the sports venture.

1221
00:55:18,377 --> 00:55:21,514
Got 10 guys --
All these guys here,

1222
00:55:21,515 --> 00:55:24,083
does anyone understand that?

1223
00:55:24,084 --> 00:55:27,319
We do, and we appreciate that, and we wish
them well... Christmas, new year's --

1224
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,487
...with the cultural exchange.

1225
00:55:28,488 --> 00:55:29,556
No, no, no! I'm just saying --

1226
00:55:29,557 --> 00:55:30,000
No, I don't give a
what the --

1227
00:55:30,001 --> 00:55:31,324
No, I don't give a
what the --

1228
00:55:31,325 --> 00:55:33,326
I don't give a rat's ass
what the hell you think!

1229
00:55:33,327 --> 00:55:35,996
I'm saying to you,
look at these guys here!

1230
00:55:35,997 --> 00:55:37,397
Look at 'em!

1231
00:55:37,398 --> 00:55:38,966
Yeah, but, Dennis,
don't put it on them.

1232
00:55:38,967 --> 00:55:40,434
Don't use them as an excuse

1233
00:55:40,435 --> 00:55:41,936
for the behavior
that you're putting on yourself.

1234
00:55:41,937 --> 00:55:43,538
They came here! They came here!

1235
00:55:43,539 --> 00:55:44,839
You just basically were saying

1236
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,607
that Kenneth bae
did something wrong.

1237
00:55:46,608 --> 00:55:48,442
We don't even know
what the charges are.

1238
00:55:48,443 --> 00:55:51,647
Don't use these guys
as a shield for you, Dennis.

1239
00:55:51,648 --> 00:55:52,881
Listen, listen,

1240
00:55:52,882 --> 00:55:53,982
listen, listen, listen. Hold on!

1241
00:55:53,983 --> 00:55:55,517
Ain't no shield!

1242
00:55:55,518 --> 00:55:56,885
I got a guy --
Let me do this!

1243
00:55:56,886 --> 00:55:59,999
Really, really,
I want to tell you one thing.

1244
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:00,357
Really, really,
I want to tell you one thing.

1245
00:56:00,358 --> 00:56:03,560
People around the world --
Around the world --

1246
00:56:03,561 --> 00:56:05,495
I'm gonna do one thing.

1247
00:56:05,496 --> 00:56:08,965
You're a guy
behind the Mike right now,

1248
00:56:08,966 --> 00:56:12,403
we're the guys here
doing one thing.

1249
00:56:12,404 --> 00:56:16,840
We're have to go back to America
and take the abuse.

1250
00:56:16,841 --> 00:56:21,313
Do you have to take the abuse
we're gonna take?

1251
00:56:21,314 --> 00:56:24,583
Do you, sir? Let me know!

1252
00:56:24,584 --> 00:56:27,452
Are you gonna take the abuse
we're gonna get?

1253
00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,555
But, guess what, though.
One day...

1254
00:56:29,556 --> 00:56:30,000
One day...

1255
00:56:30,001 --> 00:56:31,457
One day...

1256
00:56:31,458 --> 00:56:38,464
This door is gonna open
because these 10 guys here,

1257
00:56:38,465 --> 00:56:40,434
all of us --

1258
00:56:40,435 --> 00:56:42,502
I mean, everybody here,

1259
00:56:42,503 --> 00:56:46,473
if we could just open the door
just a little bit.

1260
00:56:46,474 --> 00:56:48,575
The key is, you can bait
Dennis or any of us

1261
00:56:48,576 --> 00:56:51,312
into a political conversation,
and it can get emotional.

1262
00:56:51,313 --> 00:56:53,915
No, Charles, that's not my intention.
But that's not --

1263
00:56:53,916 --> 00:56:56,451
Charles, it's not my intention,
it really isn't.

1264
00:56:56,452 --> 00:56:57,986
Let me finish. It really isn't.

1265
00:56:57,987 --> 00:56:59,655
But let me finish. Please.

1266
00:56:59,656 --> 00:57:00,000
We're not here to talk politics,
so outside of that,

1267
00:57:00,001 --> 00:57:02,625
we're not here to talk politics,
so outside of that,

1268
00:57:02,626 --> 00:57:04,994
any questions
that come back through that

1269
00:57:04,995 --> 00:57:07,029
is baiting to get us
into politics,

1270
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:09,331
and that's not
what we're here for.

1271
00:57:09,332 --> 00:57:11,635
Every man sitting here
understands that.

1272
00:57:11,636 --> 00:57:13,570
Charles,
I understand it as well.

1273
00:57:13,571 --> 00:57:16,373
I wish you good luck
with the cultural exchange,

1274
00:57:16,374 --> 00:57:18,008
but you know the issues
that are at play.

1275
00:57:18,009 --> 00:57:19,477
Good luck with the game.

1276
00:57:19,478 --> 00:57:21,612
I hope it has the results
that you want it to,

1277
00:57:21,613 --> 00:57:23,047
and I wish you a safe trip home.

1278
00:57:23,048 --> 00:57:24,715
Thank you for joining us
this morning.

1279
00:57:24,716 --> 00:57:26,350
You guys can get Un-miked.

1280
00:57:26,351 --> 00:57:27,518
All right. That's good.

1281
00:57:29,521 --> 00:57:30,000
By getting lured into
a discussion about Kenneth bae,

1282
00:57:30,001 --> 00:57:32,991
By getting lured into
a discussion about Kenneth bae,

1283
00:57:32,992 --> 00:57:35,694
Dennis may have sabotaged
Charles' attempt

1284
00:57:35,695 --> 00:57:38,430
to paint the trip
as a cultural sporting exchange.

1285
00:57:38,431 --> 00:57:40,733
Worried about the effect
the outburst might have

1286
00:57:40,734 --> 00:57:42,669
on their public image back home,

1287
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:44,771
the players hold
yet more crisis talks.

1288
00:57:44,772 --> 00:57:48,608
But that's not --
We got to really toe the line.

1289
00:57:48,609 --> 00:57:51,078
Stay on the same page
every step of the way.

1290
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:52,346
Oh, my god.

1291
00:57:52,347 --> 00:57:53,914
And, Dennis, listen,
it's not about that.

1292
00:57:53,915 --> 00:57:56,517
I don't understand
why they don't give a shit

1293
00:57:56,518 --> 00:57:58,085
about it, Charles! But, listen.

1294
00:57:58,086 --> 00:57:59,999
This ain't the fucking nba.
You say, "oh, okay, really?"

1295
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,389
This ain't the fucking nba.
You say, "oh, okay, really?"

1296
00:58:01,390 --> 00:58:02,424
No, no, no, no. No.

1297
00:58:02,425 --> 00:58:03,825
You're missing the point.

1298
00:58:03,826 --> 00:58:06,528
I'm missing the point?
Why the fuck are you here?

1299
00:58:06,529 --> 00:58:08,730
That's not --
We got that, we're past that.

1300
00:58:08,731 --> 00:58:10,633
We're at a juncture right now.

1301
00:58:10,634 --> 00:58:12,435
We're at a certain junction,

1302
00:58:12,436 --> 00:58:14,403
a certain crossroads
that we have --

1303
00:58:14,404 --> 00:58:15,671
Who the fuck hired this guy?

1304
00:58:15,672 --> 00:58:17,373
Really, Charles? Really?

1305
00:58:17,374 --> 00:58:19,542
You're the same
fucking dickhead guy --

1306
00:58:19,543 --> 00:58:20,811
I don't give a rat's ass --

1307
00:58:20,812 --> 00:58:22,979
No, I'm so sorry.
No, no, watch this, no.

1308
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:25,682
It ain't about me drinking --
Nothing like that.

1309
00:58:25,683 --> 00:58:27,384
I'm not talking about that.

1310
00:58:27,385 --> 00:58:28,785
I'm talking about one thing,

1311
00:58:28,786 --> 00:58:29,999
how we address the media
moving forward.

1312
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,688
How we address the media
moving forward.

1313
00:58:30,689 --> 00:58:33,024
That's it.

1314
00:58:33,025 --> 00:58:34,659
We?

1315
00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:36,961
We want you to agree
to stay away from answering

1316
00:58:36,962 --> 00:58:39,630
or getting down the road
with political questions.

1317
00:58:39,631 --> 00:58:41,567
That's it. Charles, guess what?

1318
00:58:41,568 --> 00:58:43,769
Am I right, guys? Am I right?

1319
00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:46,705
That's it, that's it.
It's simple. That's it.

1320
00:58:46,706 --> 00:58:50,377
So, Charles, have you ever
heard me -- you just did.

1321
00:58:50,378 --> 00:58:51,911
No, no, no.
Stay away from politics.

1322
00:58:51,912 --> 00:58:55,081
And stick to what we're doing,
which is playing basketball,

1323
00:58:55,082 --> 00:58:56,549
from this point on.

1324
00:58:56,550 --> 00:58:58,418
We're all in agreement?

1325
00:58:58,419 --> 00:58:59,999
All right, Oscar.

1326
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:00,087
All right, Oscar.

1327
00:59:00,088 --> 00:59:01,789
Pyongyang!

1328
00:59:01,790 --> 00:59:04,558
Despite Charles
and Dennis' show of unity,

1329
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:06,060
the players are still concerned

1330
00:59:06,061 --> 00:59:08,729
about what the reaction
to the interview will be.

1331
00:59:08,730 --> 00:59:11,500
And the question still stands --

1332
00:59:11,501 --> 00:59:14,503
Are they going to play
or pull out?

1333
00:59:14,504 --> 00:59:16,338
That's why he brought it up.

1334
00:59:16,339 --> 00:59:17,739
Did he bring it up first?

1335
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:20,810
He brought it up to the sports
minister about whether or not

1336
00:59:20,811 --> 00:59:22,645
we should still
go through with it.

1337
00:59:22,646 --> 00:59:24,747
Their translator
came up to me.

1338
00:59:24,748 --> 00:59:26,749
Like, he said,
"is there an issue?"

1339
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:28,451
And I'll just say,
"no, you know."

1340
00:59:28,452 --> 00:59:29,999
I said, "look, you know,
they, you know,

1341
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:30,422
I said, "look, you know,
they, you know,

1342
00:59:30,423 --> 00:59:32,322
they're hearing it,
obviously, back home."

1343
00:59:32,323 --> 00:59:36,393
I don't have a feeling on it,
because I'm dealing with...

1344
00:59:36,394 --> 00:59:40,498
12, 13 other guys.

1345
00:59:40,499 --> 00:59:42,667
So my opinion only matters

1346
00:59:42,668 --> 00:59:45,837
after we get a general consensus
by committee.

1347
00:59:45,838 --> 00:59:48,540
Well, it's not anything
to work out,

1348
00:59:48,541 --> 00:59:50,910
it's just to find out
how guys feel.

1349
00:59:50,911 --> 00:59:52,845
We got to see, you know,

1350
00:59:52,846 --> 00:59:55,648
if our guys are feeling
what's going on.

1351
00:59:55,649 --> 00:59:58,083
It's very important. I mean...

1352
00:59:58,084 --> 00:59:59,999
You know, our country
is our country.

1353
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:00,787
You know, our country
is our country.

1354
01:00:00,788 --> 01:00:02,923
Yes. Vodka and soda.

1355
01:00:02,924 --> 01:00:03,890
Sodas?

1356
01:00:03,891 --> 01:00:05,325
Vodka, vodka.

1357
01:00:05,326 --> 01:00:06,493
Vodka.

1358
01:00:06,494 --> 01:00:07,794
A couple of hours later,

1359
01:00:07,795 --> 01:00:09,830
with the game still hanging
in the balance,

1360
01:00:09,831 --> 01:00:11,833
Doug and Charles
manage to get access

1361
01:00:11,834 --> 01:00:13,835
to the hotel's closely guarded
Internet service,

1362
01:00:13,836 --> 01:00:15,770
and they find
the interview online.

1363
01:00:15,771 --> 01:00:19,373
What would they think now
that the dust had settled?

1364
01:00:19,374 --> 01:00:22,711
It has a different context
when you see it, Charles.

1365
01:00:22,712 --> 01:00:24,646
Yeah, it does. It wasn't bad.

1366
01:00:24,647 --> 01:00:25,781
It wasn't.

1367
01:00:25,782 --> 01:00:27,883
Other than
the Kenneth bae thing,

1368
01:00:27,884 --> 01:00:29,999
his emotion
at the very beginning

1369
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:30,386
his emotion
at the very beginning

1370
01:00:30,387 --> 01:00:32,555
and what he said after that
was spot-on.

1371
01:00:32,556 --> 01:00:34,624
It was. 'Cause it came across.
It was good.

1372
01:00:34,625 --> 01:00:37,727
That he's feeling hurt
about what's going on.

1373
01:00:37,728 --> 01:00:38,828
Yeah, right.

1374
01:00:38,829 --> 01:00:41,098
Yeah, but sitting up there,
it didn't --

1375
01:00:41,099 --> 01:00:43,334
Man, I wish vin and them
would have came,

1376
01:00:43,335 --> 01:00:45,603
'cause they were feeling
what we were feeling --

1377
01:00:45,604 --> 01:00:47,471
To see it.

1378
01:00:47,472 --> 01:00:49,941
Thanks, guys.

1379
01:00:51,577 --> 01:00:54,446
After this, I hope they're
not ostracizing us

1380
01:00:54,447 --> 01:00:56,548
as much as they were
prior to that.

1381
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:57,716
Right, right, yeah.

1382
01:00:57,717 --> 01:00:59,417
It's a possibility.
You know that.

1383
01:00:59,418 --> 01:00:59,999
Yeah.

1384
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:00,685
Yeah.

1385
01:01:00,686 --> 01:01:03,956
But that was --
Overall, I give it a "b."

1386
01:01:03,957 --> 01:01:06,592
Yeah, which is --
A "b."

1387
01:01:06,593 --> 01:01:08,427
I was, like, an "f."

1388
01:01:08,428 --> 01:01:09,695
"D"-minus, "f."

1389
01:01:09,696 --> 01:01:11,665
"Good lord, we're in trouble."

1390
01:01:11,666 --> 01:01:13,400
I was like, "oh, shit!"

1391
01:01:13,401 --> 01:01:15,669
It doesn't look like
how it felt sitting here.

1392
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:17,804
Oh, okay. It wasn't that bad?

1393
01:01:17,805 --> 01:01:20,340
No, they showed
the whole entire thing.

1394
01:01:20,341 --> 01:01:23,444
But the thing with Dennis,
we were all sitting there.

1395
01:01:23,445 --> 01:01:24,679
Yeah.

1396
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,347
So we got caught up in him.

1397
01:01:26,348 --> 01:01:29,484
But when you look at the thing
and how they pan it and shot it,

1398
01:01:29,485 --> 01:01:29,999
the only thing he did
is go back and forth with bae.

1399
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,588
The only thing he did
is go back and forth with bae.

1400
01:01:32,589 --> 01:01:35,458
But his other stuff,
it was actually very good.

1401
01:01:38,795 --> 01:01:41,398
Word spreads
to the other players.

1402
01:01:41,399 --> 01:01:42,799
They get together
for more discussion,

1403
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,601
and at the 11th hour,

1404
01:01:44,602 --> 01:01:48,438
they finally decide to stay
and prepare for match day.

1405
01:01:48,439 --> 01:01:49,573
The game is on.

1406
01:02:36,892 --> 01:02:40,662
So structured.

1407
01:02:40,663 --> 01:02:45,735
Let's go play
against the north Koreans.

1408
01:02:50,407 --> 01:02:53,744
As the players
make their way to the court,

1409
01:02:53,745 --> 01:02:56,680
there's a buzz of activity
in the corridors,

1410
01:02:56,681 --> 01:02:58,982
and there's only
one explanation --

1411
01:02:58,983 --> 01:02:59,999
The marshal,
Kim jong-Un, has arrived.

1412
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,718
The marshal,
Kim jong-Un, has arrived.

1413
01:03:37,893 --> 01:03:39,760
Standing in the tunnel

1414
01:03:39,761 --> 01:03:41,429
and listening
to the roar of the crowd,

1415
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:44,466
the scale of the event
only just starts to hit home.

1416
01:03:44,467 --> 01:03:47,502
For the first time ever,
an American team will play

1417
01:03:47,503 --> 01:03:51,106
an away fixture in north Korea
with Kim jong-Un watching on.

1418
01:03:51,107 --> 01:03:54,110
National pride is at stake,
and even though the event

1419
01:03:54,111 --> 01:03:56,012
will only be broadcast
in north Korea,

1420
01:03:56,013 --> 01:03:58,781
the result will be eagerly
anticipated around the world,

1421
01:03:58,782 --> 01:03:59,999
so it's a game neither side
will want to lose.

1422
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:00,850
So it's a game neither side
will want to lose.

1423
01:04:21,006 --> 01:04:24,009
<i>Now the players of half
our team from d.P.R. Korea</i>

1424
01:04:24,010 --> 01:04:26,812
<i>and the nba star's team
from U.S.A.</i>

1425
01:04:26,813 --> 01:04:28,013
<i>Will enter the stadium.</i>

1426
01:04:28,014 --> 01:04:29,949
It's game time.

1427
01:05:09,727 --> 01:05:11,361
<i>Before the game,</i>

1428
01:05:11,362 --> 01:05:15,366
<i>Mr. Dennis rodman
would like to say a few words.</i>

1429
01:05:20,672 --> 01:05:23,875
With the players out on court

1430
01:05:23,876 --> 01:05:27,078
and 20,000 north Koreans
waiting patiently,

1431
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:29,948
it's time
for Dennis' big moment.

1432
01:05:29,949 --> 01:05:30,000
Uh...

1433
01:05:30,001 --> 01:05:31,750
Uh...

1434
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:37,690
I would like
to really thank, um...

1435
01:05:37,691 --> 01:05:40,626
My peers here from the U.S.

1436
01:05:40,627 --> 01:05:46,099
Having the guts
to believe in me,

1437
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:50,571
to be here with the marshal
for his birthday.

1438
01:05:50,572 --> 01:05:57,078
A lot of people have expressed
different views about me

1439
01:05:57,079 --> 01:05:59,999
and your leader here,
the marshal.

1440
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,916
And your leader here,
the marshal.

1441
01:06:01,917 --> 01:06:05,988
And I take that as a compliment,

1442
01:06:05,989 --> 01:06:09,925
a compliment
as far as the world.

1443
01:06:09,926 --> 01:06:12,461
Yes, he's a great leader.

1444
01:06:12,462 --> 01:06:16,666
He provides for his people
here in this country.

1445
01:06:16,667 --> 01:06:22,472
And thank god the people here
love the marshal.

1446
01:06:36,122 --> 01:06:37,923
Um...

1447
01:06:37,924 --> 01:06:42,127
For the people of north Korea,
I want to say one thing...

1448
01:06:42,128 --> 01:06:48,401
This is history-breaking ground
for everyone that's involved.

1449
01:06:48,402 --> 01:06:52,105
My peers here,
the national team here.

1450
01:06:52,106 --> 01:06:56,777
All I want to say is
just to my friend

1451
01:06:56,778 --> 01:06:59,999
and his wife and his family --
His family...

1452
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,782
And his wife and his family --
His family...

1453
01:07:01,783 --> 01:07:05,387
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪

1454
01:07:05,388 --> 01:07:09,457
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪

1455
01:07:11,093 --> 01:07:14,163
♪ Happy birthday, dear marshal ♪

1456
01:07:14,164 --> 01:07:18,000
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪

1457
01:07:19,937 --> 01:07:23,139
Dennis' serenading of
the marshal is very unexpected,

1458
01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:25,976
even by his standards and shows

1459
01:07:25,977 --> 01:07:28,812
how naive he is to the wider
political situation.

1460
01:07:28,813 --> 01:07:29,999
It's very unlikely
to go down well back home,

1461
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,114
it's very unlikely
to go down well back home,

1462
01:07:31,115 --> 01:07:33,517
but for now,
that will have to wait --

1463
01:07:33,518 --> 01:07:36,754
There's a basketball game
to be played.

1464
01:07:39,825 --> 01:07:42,794
And in another unexpected move,

1465
01:07:42,795 --> 01:07:46,398
Dennis has decided to split
the game into two halves.

1466
01:07:46,399 --> 01:07:48,133
In the first half,
it's the main event --

1467
01:07:48,134 --> 01:07:50,636
The United States
against north Korea.

1468
01:07:50,637 --> 01:07:53,405
In the second half,
Dennis is mixing up the teams

1469
01:07:53,406 --> 01:07:55,375
so both north Koreans
and Americans

1470
01:07:55,376 --> 01:07:56,876
will play side by side,

1471
01:07:56,877 --> 01:07:58,845
a nice touch
that will hopefully underline

1472
01:07:58,846 --> 01:07:59,999
the real importance
of the trip --

1473
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:00,714
The real importance
of the trip --

1474
01:08:00,715 --> 01:08:02,983
Bringing the people
of two nations,

1475
01:08:02,984 --> 01:08:05,786
divided in so many ways,
closer together.

1476
01:08:08,423 --> 01:08:10,424
But first,
can the ex-nba players

1477
01:08:10,425 --> 01:08:14,128
beat a team of eager, hungry,
young north Koreans

1478
01:08:14,129 --> 01:08:16,766
keen to please their marshal?

1479
01:08:32,883 --> 01:08:34,885
The U.S. team
gets things underway,

1480
01:08:34,886 --> 01:08:38,455
trying to make the most of their
superior height and reach.

1481
01:08:38,456 --> 01:08:41,392
But their handling
lets them down.

1482
01:08:41,393 --> 01:08:45,897
The north Koreans' response --
Speed.

1483
01:08:45,898 --> 01:08:48,634
They keep the ball
moving quickly.

1484
01:08:50,703 --> 01:08:55,007
It helps to create the space
for a series of 3-point shots.

1485
01:09:05,386 --> 01:09:07,454
The Americans fight back --

1486
01:09:07,455 --> 01:09:10,157
The cool head and hands
of Doug christie

1487
01:09:10,158 --> 01:09:12,092
and a bank shot from vin Baker.

1488
01:09:15,097 --> 01:09:17,465
They're back in the game,

1489
01:09:17,466 --> 01:09:20,001
which is more physical
than they'd expected.

1490
01:09:45,564 --> 01:09:47,932
The north Koreans
stick with their pacey

1491
01:09:47,933 --> 01:09:49,467
pass-and-move style of play,

1492
01:09:49,468 --> 01:09:52,169
catching the American team
flat-footed,

1493
01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:54,638
and they begin to pull away.

1494
01:09:54,639 --> 01:09:59,010
Rattled, the visitors
call a time-out

1495
01:09:59,011 --> 01:09:59,999
to take stock
and catch their breath.

1496
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,948
To take stock
and catch their breath.

1497
01:10:05,052 --> 01:10:07,153
Charles Smith
and the rest of the team

1498
01:10:07,154 --> 01:10:10,023
are starting to realize
what Dennis knew all along...

1499
01:10:13,627 --> 01:10:16,064
...these guys can shoot.

1500
01:10:31,413 --> 01:10:33,982
The crowd's excitement
is growing,

1501
01:10:33,983 --> 01:10:36,085
but one player is disappointing.

1502
01:10:36,086 --> 01:10:39,054
An out-of-condition Dennis
is struggling.

1503
01:11:10,857 --> 01:11:14,760
As the whistle signals
the end of the first period,

1504
01:11:14,761 --> 01:11:18,098
the American team is trailing
by 10 points.

1505
01:11:23,470 --> 01:11:26,507
The Americans are disillusioned.

1506
01:11:26,508 --> 01:11:29,999
The north Koreans
are ready for more.

1507
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,078
The north Koreans
are ready for more.

1508
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:33,514
Dennis bows out
to watch the rest of the game

1509
01:11:33,515 --> 01:11:35,584
with his friend Kim jong-Un.

1510
01:11:35,585 --> 01:11:39,721
It's the first time
during this trip

1511
01:11:39,722 --> 01:11:43,191
that Dennis has met
with the marshal one-to-one,

1512
01:11:43,192 --> 01:11:45,427
so he's keen to look the part.

1513
01:11:45,428 --> 01:11:48,130
If the Americans thought
that without Dennis

1514
01:11:48,131 --> 01:11:53,135
the north Koreans would go easy
on them, they're wrong.

1515
01:12:14,727 --> 01:12:18,530
The U.S. team does rally,
but fatigue starts to creep in,

1516
01:12:18,531 --> 01:12:21,768
and for all their effort,
nothing quite comes off.

1517
01:12:49,632 --> 01:12:51,133
At the end
of the second quarter,

1518
01:12:51,134 --> 01:12:54,636
the score is U.S.A. 39,
north Korea 45,

1519
01:12:54,637 --> 01:12:57,607
a win for the d.P.R.K.
And an indication

1520
01:12:57,608 --> 01:12:59,999
that, just maybe,
the professionals

1521
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:00,477
that, just maybe,
the professionals

1522
01:13:00,478 --> 01:13:01,811
have underestimated
their opponents.

1523
01:13:01,812 --> 01:13:03,413
Uh...

1524
01:13:03,414 --> 01:13:07,551
We trained them.
We taught them to beat us.

1525
01:13:07,552 --> 01:13:08,952
The competition was good.

1526
01:13:08,953 --> 01:13:11,455
They played extremely hard --
Physical, very physical.

1527
01:13:11,456 --> 01:13:14,425
They played extremely hard.
Which is really good.

1528
01:13:14,426 --> 01:13:15,959
Which is good. Yeah, no doubt.

1529
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,431
It's interesting
because they had a strategy

1530
01:13:19,432 --> 01:13:22,734
to play against us, you know,
older nba players,

1531
01:13:22,735 --> 01:13:24,703
and they used that European

1532
01:13:24,704 --> 01:13:27,707
drive-and-kick,
shorter, faster guys.

1533
01:13:27,708 --> 01:13:29,999
So the game
was much more competitive

1534
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:30,444
so the game
was much more competitive

1535
01:13:30,445 --> 01:13:34,180
and much more interesting
than I thought it would be.

1536
01:13:39,554 --> 01:13:41,021
As Dennis planned,

1537
01:13:41,022 --> 01:13:43,123
the teams change up
for the second half,

1538
01:13:43,124 --> 01:13:45,058
and it just happens

1539
01:13:45,059 --> 01:13:46,828
that with the two nationalities
mixed together,

1540
01:13:46,829 --> 01:13:49,797
the crowd sees some of the best
action of the night...

1541
01:13:49,798 --> 01:13:52,567
With Dennis and Kim jong-Un
watching on.

1542
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,701
It's still a strange sight --

1543
01:14:23,702 --> 01:14:26,537
The leader of the world's
most controlled state

1544
01:14:26,538 --> 01:14:29,040
and America's
most out-of-control celebrity

1545
01:14:29,041 --> 01:14:29,999
laughing and joking like
a couple of old college buddies.

1546
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,545
Laughing and joking like
a couple of old college buddies.

1547
01:15:17,161 --> 01:15:19,196
As the game reaches a close,

1548
01:15:19,197 --> 01:15:22,532
it's hard to say what long-term
effect it may or may not have.

1549
01:15:22,533 --> 01:15:24,668
But the interaction
between the north Korean

1550
01:15:24,669 --> 01:15:27,705
and U.S. players feels like
an unerringly positive thing,

1551
01:15:27,706 --> 01:15:29,999
with millions of north Koreans

1552
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:30,108
with millions of north Koreans

1553
01:15:30,109 --> 01:15:31,776
watching their kin standing
shoulder-to-shoulder

1554
01:15:31,777 --> 01:15:35,546
with the old enemy
on their TV screens.

1555
01:16:44,523 --> 01:16:47,125
After the game,
the marshal meets his players.

1556
01:16:47,126 --> 01:16:49,896
As we know, he's a big
basketball fan, after all.

1557
01:16:52,465 --> 01:16:53,699
In the dressing room,

1558
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:55,734
there's a sense of euphoria
and relief

1559
01:16:55,735 --> 01:16:57,736
that the game
actually took place.

1560
01:16:57,737 --> 01:16:59,673
But for Charles,
it's all too much.

1561
01:17:01,542 --> 01:17:04,477
I just needed
a moment to myself,

1562
01:17:04,478 --> 01:17:08,816
to, uh  kind of reflect
and get the emotion out

1563
01:17:08,817 --> 01:17:12,787
because it's been pent up
through the whole trip.

1564
01:17:17,025 --> 01:17:22,030
It was hard
getting the guys together.

1565
01:17:22,031 --> 01:17:24,499
Congratulations.

1566
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:25,901
And zoom in on it.

1567
01:17:25,902 --> 01:17:29,999
It's always difficult
working with Dennis,

1568
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,008
it's always difficult
working with Dennis,

1569
01:17:32,009 --> 01:17:34,677
but it -- it --
It usually works out well.

1570
01:17:35,913 --> 01:17:39,717
I just sung "happy birthday"
to the fucker.

1571
01:17:40,819 --> 01:17:42,920
In less than 24 hours,

1572
01:17:42,921 --> 01:17:47,591
we were actually thinking
of not playing this game.

1573
01:17:48,828 --> 01:17:52,897
We were actually thinking
of not playing the game.

1574
01:17:54,066 --> 01:17:56,534
We made history today.

1575
01:17:58,538 --> 01:17:59,999
The high emotions are felt

1576
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,040
The high emotions are felt

1577
01:18:01,041 --> 01:18:03,542
in the north Korean camp, too.

1578
01:18:03,543 --> 01:18:05,544
It was a great, great,
great pleasure,

1579
01:18:05,545 --> 01:18:07,080
and a happiness and honor
for him.

1580
01:18:20,562 --> 01:18:21,963
With their achievement
starting to sink in,

1581
01:18:21,964 --> 01:18:23,231
the players begin to celebrate.

1582
01:18:23,232 --> 01:18:25,600
Bring it in, guys.
Bring in on. Come on.

1583
01:18:25,601 --> 01:18:27,702
I'm feeling --
I'm feeling some love.

1584
01:18:27,703 --> 01:18:28,971
Bring it in. Bring it in.

1585
01:18:28,972 --> 01:18:29,999
Come on, bring it in.

1586
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:30,539
Come on, bring it in.

1587
01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:32,041
I'm feeling some love.
We did it.

1588
01:18:34,644 --> 01:18:37,646
Vin, come on, man.

1589
01:18:47,992 --> 01:18:51,595
Back at the hotel,
the celebrations continue.

1590
01:18:51,596 --> 01:18:54,965
For the first time since
they stepped foot in Pyongyang,

1591
01:18:54,966 --> 01:18:57,835
everyone gets
to let their hair down.

1592
01:18:57,836 --> 01:18:59,571
And, yep,
Joe gets another chance

1593
01:18:59,572 --> 01:19:00,000
to show off
his well-honed karaoke skills.

1594
01:19:00,001 --> 01:19:02,874
To show off
his well-honed karaoke skills.

1595
01:19:06,979 --> 01:19:08,981
After everything that's happened
over the last few days,

1596
01:19:08,982 --> 01:19:10,750
there's a good show
of togetherness,

1597
01:19:10,751 --> 01:19:14,020
and the revelry lasts
well into the night.

1598
01:19:14,021 --> 01:19:15,722
Who woulda thunk it?

1599
01:19:15,723 --> 01:19:17,825
Oh!

1600
01:19:22,597 --> 01:19:24,798
The next day, the U.S. players,

1601
01:19:24,799 --> 01:19:26,633
with a few sore heads,

1602
01:19:26,634 --> 01:19:29,904
head out for some specially
organized r&r time

1603
01:19:29,905 --> 01:19:30,000
with the north Korean team.

1604
01:19:30,001 --> 01:19:31,673
With the north Korean team.

1605
01:19:31,674 --> 01:19:34,843
We had a chance to actually
interact with the national team,

1606
01:19:34,844 --> 01:19:36,711
so we went to the water park,

1607
01:19:36,712 --> 01:19:38,012
got on slides together.

1608
01:19:38,013 --> 01:19:40,049
Guys were pulling me over --
"come, come."

1609
01:19:40,050 --> 01:19:41,917
Even though it was
a different-language barrier,

1610
01:19:41,918 --> 01:19:43,853
we communicated with each other.

1611
01:19:43,854 --> 01:19:46,856
And it was good to be around
those guys away from the gym,

1612
01:19:46,857 --> 01:19:49,159
in a different atmosphere,
and it was the same thing.

1613
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:50,660
It was all love,

1614
01:19:50,661 --> 01:19:53,630
we had a great time
with those guys.

1615
01:19:53,631 --> 01:19:55,065
It's gonna be a bond.

1616
01:19:55,066 --> 01:19:56,767
It's gonna probably be,
you know, from that day forth,

1617
01:19:56,768 --> 01:19:58,468
all the way throughout.

1618
01:19:58,469 --> 01:19:59,999
You know, a lot of the players
that were there, you know,

1619
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:00,172
you know, a lot of the players
that were there, you know,

1620
01:20:00,173 --> 01:20:02,039
of course remember all the guys,

1621
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,008
you know, from the game,
and stuff like that,

1622
01:20:04,009 --> 01:20:05,910
and, you know,
we just went there

1623
01:20:05,911 --> 01:20:08,079
to have a good time, kind of,
you know, unwind a little bit.

1624
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,616
You know, a couple guys,
we got in the sauna,

1625
01:20:10,617 --> 01:20:12,050
we did
a little waterslide stuff,

1626
01:20:12,051 --> 01:20:13,819
got in the pools and stuff.

1627
01:20:13,820 --> 01:20:15,621
They showed us a lot of love,
lot of respect,

1628
01:20:15,622 --> 01:20:17,756
and we did the same,
you know, with them.

1629
01:20:17,757 --> 01:20:20,860
Meanwhile, Dennis
and a small number of his group

1630
01:20:20,861 --> 01:20:22,862
are whisked away
on a separate trip.

1631
01:20:22,863 --> 01:20:24,964
While they were chatting
during the game,

1632
01:20:24,965 --> 01:20:27,567
the marshal told Dennis
that he'd made plans for them

1633
01:20:27,568 --> 01:20:29,068
to spend the weekend together
at masik,

1634
01:20:29,069 --> 01:20:29,999
the country's new
luxury ski lodge,

1635
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,839
the country's new
luxury ski lodge,

1636
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,809
three hours east of the capital.

1637
01:20:44,821 --> 01:20:48,223
By the time Dennis arrives,
some of the marshal's

1638
01:20:48,224 --> 01:20:50,092
family and entourage
are already on the slopes.

1639
01:20:50,093 --> 01:20:52,829
First, he's invited
to a thank-you meal

1640
01:20:52,830 --> 01:20:55,031
with the sports minister
before being taken

1641
01:20:55,032 --> 01:20:56,767
on an exclusive tour
of the resort.

1642
01:21:31,839 --> 01:21:35,475
After the officials have shown
the place off to the cameras,

1643
01:21:35,476 --> 01:21:38,812
Dennis' film crew is informed
that only Dennis

1644
01:21:38,813 --> 01:21:40,948
and the closest members
of his group

1645
01:21:40,949 --> 01:21:42,850
will be allowed to stay
to meet Kim jong-Un.

1646
01:21:42,851 --> 01:21:44,552
It's a shame, as there had been

1647
01:21:44,553 --> 01:21:47,655
the possibility of securing
a world-exclusive interview

1648
01:21:47,656 --> 01:21:49,857
with the marshal,
but it's not to be.

1649
01:21:49,858 --> 01:21:51,894
And so, grudgingly,
the crew leave

1650
01:21:51,895 --> 01:21:53,495
Dennis, vo, Joe, and Michael

1651
01:21:53,496 --> 01:21:56,165
to enjoy the slopes while
they trek back to Pyongyang.

1652
01:22:00,804 --> 01:22:03,840
The next morning, it's time
for the American players

1653
01:22:03,841 --> 01:22:07,010
to say their goodbyes and head
back to the United States.

1654
01:22:07,011 --> 01:22:08,778
Now that the game is over,

1655
01:22:08,779 --> 01:22:11,048
what were their thoughts
on the trip?

1656
01:22:11,049 --> 01:22:13,550
There was so much media scrutiny

1657
01:22:13,551 --> 01:22:16,620
on the players individually,
which we didn't expect.

1658
01:22:16,621 --> 01:22:20,825
We knew that there were gonna
be some negative publicity

1659
01:22:20,826 --> 01:22:22,761
surrounding the game

1660
01:22:22,762 --> 01:22:25,997
and us being in Korea,
north Korea,

1661
01:22:25,998 --> 01:22:29,834
but we didn't expect our country
to bash us personally.

1662
01:22:29,835 --> 01:22:30,000
That caught us off guard,

1663
01:22:30,001 --> 01:22:31,170
that caught us off guard,

1664
01:22:31,171 --> 01:22:33,639
and that was pretty frustrating,

1665
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,176
and some of the guys had
some personal issues with it,

1666
01:22:37,177 --> 01:22:39,845
their families
and their children,

1667
01:22:39,846 --> 01:22:41,548
and it was kind of tough.

1668
01:22:41,549 --> 01:22:44,051
I don't know if I'm worried
about the backlash.

1669
01:22:44,052 --> 01:22:46,153
I'm anticipating both, you know,

1670
01:22:46,154 --> 01:22:48,522
family and friends
happy that I'm home,

1671
01:22:48,523 --> 01:22:50,223
and then there'll be some people

1672
01:22:50,224 --> 01:22:52,527
who don't understand

1673
01:22:52,528 --> 01:22:56,197
or be puzzled by the fact
that we went.

1674
01:22:56,198 --> 01:22:59,999
I don't know how much shit
I'm gonna get into

1675
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:00,502
I don't know how much shit
I'm gonna get into

1676
01:23:00,503 --> 01:23:03,539
when I go back home,
which I don't, you know.

1677
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:05,040
And does it matter?

1678
01:23:05,041 --> 01:23:07,843
I have to just, you know,
face the consequences,

1679
01:23:07,844 --> 01:23:10,547
'cause I did something
radical, major, you know?

1680
01:23:10,548 --> 01:23:12,215
And that's cool.

1681
01:23:12,216 --> 01:23:16,219
I'm like, "yo, I did something
that, you know,

1682
01:23:16,220 --> 01:23:20,223
people in America
didn't agree with fully,

1683
01:23:20,224 --> 01:23:22,260
and I have to deal with it."

1684
01:23:30,903 --> 01:23:33,872
I'm just, you know --

1685
01:23:33,873 --> 01:23:35,674
I'm not over being
with the guys.

1686
01:23:35,675 --> 01:23:37,976
And, you know, just everything
that's been involved

1687
01:23:37,977 --> 01:23:42,882
with, you know, the media,

1688
01:23:42,883 --> 01:23:45,818
and all the talk in the media,
and when we should talk,

1689
01:23:45,819 --> 01:23:47,987
and when we shouldn't talk,
and how we should talk.

1690
01:23:47,988 --> 01:23:49,622
I'm tired of that.

1691
01:23:49,623 --> 01:23:52,026
Do you have any regrets
about the trip.

1692
01:23:52,027 --> 01:23:54,028
I don't regret it one bit.

1693
01:23:54,029 --> 01:23:57,131
It doesn't matter what scrutiny
I get at home, what people say.

1694
01:23:57,132 --> 01:23:59,466
I felt it was a good
opportunity,

1695
01:23:59,467 --> 01:23:59,999
as well, I think,
as everyone else that's here,

1696
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,003
as well, I think,
as everyone else that's here,

1697
01:24:02,004 --> 01:24:04,506
to show the world
that this place

1698
01:24:04,507 --> 01:24:08,610
that they call north Korea is
not as bad as what they think.

1699
01:24:08,611 --> 01:24:11,113
I'm gonna just tell them
I had a great time.

1700
01:24:11,114 --> 01:24:13,015
By far, as a professional,

1701
01:24:13,016 --> 01:24:14,617
I would say this is probably

1702
01:24:14,618 --> 01:24:17,153
my best experience,
basketball-wise, as a pro.

1703
01:24:17,154 --> 01:24:19,855
Like anything, anything.
Just anything.

1704
01:24:19,856 --> 01:24:22,692
You know, you look at it even
from the standpoint of Dennis,

1705
01:24:22,693 --> 01:24:27,597
to be, you know, even
in the presence of this guy.

1706
01:24:27,598 --> 01:24:29,032
They say they're friends.

1707
01:24:29,033 --> 01:24:29,999
Even said, "that's my friend."

1708
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:30,634
Even said, "that's my friend."

1709
01:24:30,635 --> 01:24:33,071
There's no one
right now in the United States

1710
01:24:33,072 --> 01:24:34,072
that can say that.

1711
01:24:34,073 --> 01:24:35,473
Nobody. Right.

1712
01:24:35,474 --> 01:24:36,908
Like, there's nobody
that can say, "oh, yeah,

1713
01:24:36,909 --> 01:24:38,109
oh, yeah, that's my man."

1714
01:24:38,110 --> 01:24:39,611
You know, "we cool --"
nobody.

1715
01:24:40,979 --> 01:24:44,783
A few days later,
it's Dennis' turn to head home,

1716
01:24:44,784 --> 01:24:47,119
after spending a full weekend
with the marshal.

1717
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,555
Beijing airport is buzzing

1718
01:24:49,556 --> 01:24:53,226
as the world's press
waits to find out

1719
01:24:53,227 --> 01:24:57,197
what they got up to
at the ski lodge.

1720
01:25:00,268 --> 01:25:03,971
But when Dennis appears,
he's swept through the airport

1721
01:25:03,972 --> 01:25:07,641
and onto his connecting flight
without saying a word.

1722
01:25:07,642 --> 01:25:11,145
Only on the plane home
does the truth come out.

1723
01:25:11,146 --> 01:25:13,048
The marshal never showed.

1724
01:25:13,049 --> 01:25:16,051
It's desperately
disappointing news,

1725
01:25:16,052 --> 01:25:17,652
especially after everything

1726
01:25:17,653 --> 01:25:20,222
Dennis had gone through
to get the game to happen.

1727
01:25:20,223 --> 01:25:22,191
So why did Kim jong-Un
choose to leave

1728
01:25:22,192 --> 01:25:24,093
his good friend high and dry?

1729
01:25:24,094 --> 01:25:26,129
Now that the game was over,

1730
01:25:26,130 --> 01:25:27,930
had the marshal simply gotten

1731
01:25:27,931 --> 01:25:29,999
everything he needed to
out of Dennis?

1732
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:30,134
Everything he needed to
out of Dennis?

1733
01:25:30,135 --> 01:25:31,902
Could it be that this was all

1734
01:25:31,903 --> 01:25:33,971
just a cleverly devised
propaganda campaign

1735
01:25:33,972 --> 01:25:36,240
by Kim jong-Un
to show his people

1736
01:25:36,241 --> 01:25:37,975
just how powerful he is,

1737
01:25:37,976 --> 01:25:41,145
inviting a group of Americans
to Pyongyang and beating them

1738
01:25:41,146 --> 01:25:43,548
at their own game.

1739
01:25:43,549 --> 01:25:46,518
According to Daniel pinkston,
this doesn't really stack up.

1740
01:25:46,519 --> 01:25:49,921
I just don't buy that argument

1741
01:25:49,922 --> 01:25:55,528
because the state narrative
and the propaganda narrative

1742
01:25:55,529 --> 01:25:59,999
is compliance and conformity --
Obey, obedience.

1743
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:00,167
Is compliance and conformity --
Obey, obedience.

1744
01:26:00,168 --> 01:26:05,872
And here is Dennis rodman,
who is one of the most unusual

1745
01:26:05,873 --> 01:26:09,276
nonconformists
we could think of,

1746
01:26:09,277 --> 01:26:12,547
and here he is
in the embrace of Kim jong-Un,

1747
01:26:12,548 --> 01:26:14,649
and it's sending this message

1748
01:26:14,650 --> 01:26:18,186
that, "hey,
it's okay to be different."

1749
01:26:18,187 --> 01:26:19,987
They never saw
an American before,

1750
01:26:19,988 --> 01:26:21,589
and they go back,
and they think,

1751
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:23,692
"well, everything I read
in textbooks,

1752
01:26:23,693 --> 01:26:26,061
and everything my schoolteacher
told me in school,

1753
01:26:26,062 --> 01:26:28,263
and everything
the party cell member told me,

1754
01:26:28,264 --> 01:26:29,999
and everything
our coach told us,

1755
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:30,166
and everything
our coach told us,

1756
01:26:30,167 --> 01:26:32,635
and everything
that the state media told me,

1757
01:26:32,636 --> 01:26:35,605
was that Americans are evil,
they're trying to kill us,

1758
01:26:35,606 --> 01:26:37,607
but the Americans I saw,
they were friendly.

1759
01:26:37,608 --> 01:26:38,942
They're like us."

1760
01:26:38,943 --> 01:26:41,110
This is a very
subversive message,

1761
01:26:41,111 --> 01:26:43,013
and people will remember that.

1762
01:26:43,014 --> 01:26:44,548
Those young people

1763
01:26:44,549 --> 01:26:46,850
who have those interactions
with the Americans,

1764
01:26:46,851 --> 01:26:49,587
they will never forget it
as long as they live,

1765
01:26:49,588 --> 01:26:51,555
and people underestimate that.

1766
01:26:51,556 --> 01:26:53,558
So why didn't the marshal show?

1767
01:26:53,559 --> 01:26:55,493
It turns out
that up at the ski lodge,

1768
01:26:55,494 --> 01:26:58,196
Dennis went on the mother
of all drinking binges,

1769
01:26:58,197 --> 01:26:59,999
and his behavior
got increasingly out of control.

1770
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,132
And his behavior
got increasingly out of control.

1771
01:27:01,133 --> 01:27:04,003
With the marshal's friends
and family watching on,

1772
01:27:04,004 --> 01:27:05,605
the decision was made for Kim

1773
01:27:05,606 --> 01:27:08,708
to save face and to give Dennis
a wide berth.

1774
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:11,510
And with that,
the opportunity was lost.

1775
01:27:11,511 --> 01:27:13,981
The game was a great showpiece,
no doubt,

1776
01:27:13,982 --> 01:27:16,717
but their friendship,
as odd as it may seem,

1777
01:27:16,718 --> 01:27:18,218
had a lot of potential.

1778
01:27:18,219 --> 01:27:20,787
In the long run,
it really could have led

1779
01:27:20,788 --> 01:27:23,725
to improved relations between
the U.S. and north Korea.

1780
01:27:23,726 --> 01:27:26,027
And who knows --
It might even have persuaded

1781
01:27:26,028 --> 01:27:29,564
president Barack Obama
to engage with north Korea.

1782
01:27:29,565 --> 01:27:30,000
But Dennis' alcoholism
and sheer unpredictability

1783
01:27:30,001 --> 01:27:32,768
but Dennis' alcoholism
and sheer unpredictability

1784
01:27:32,769 --> 01:27:34,503
got the better of him,

1785
01:27:34,504 --> 01:27:37,673
and his dream of opening
the door to north Korea

1786
01:27:37,674 --> 01:27:40,509
may have gone up in smoke
for good.

1787
01:27:40,510 --> 01:27:42,579
He's now back in the states.

1788
01:27:42,580 --> 01:27:43,814
It's over.

1789
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:49,753
As soon as Dennis arrived
back in America,

1790
01:27:49,754 --> 01:27:51,588
he booked himself
straight into rehab --

1791
01:27:51,589 --> 01:27:53,524
In his own words,
"too cool off."

1792
01:27:53,525 --> 01:27:55,559
Three weeks later,
he left the clinic.

1793
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,028
Now that he'd sobered up

1794
01:27:57,029 --> 01:27:59,196
and has had time to reflect
on the trip,

1795
01:27:59,197 --> 01:27:59,999
what did he feel
about the marshal's no-show?

1796
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,532
What did he feel
about the marshal's no-show?

1797
01:28:01,533 --> 01:28:03,135
Well, it's all -- that --
That was different.

1798
01:28:03,136 --> 01:28:04,603
That was something --
Whatever --

1799
01:28:04,604 --> 01:28:05,937
They didn't want to bring him
around me

1800
01:28:05,938 --> 01:28:07,739
'cause I was too
doing my thing, so that's why.

1801
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:10,575
But I was doing --
I was, you know, drinking.

1802
01:28:10,576 --> 01:28:11,743
I was so drunk.

1803
01:28:11,744 --> 01:28:13,279
You know,
I'm pretty sure he was like,

1804
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:14,747
"okay," you know,
he got to keep his image up.

1805
01:28:14,748 --> 01:28:16,215
Okay, great. I understood that.

1806
01:28:16,216 --> 01:28:18,117
That was cool.
That was cool how he did that.

1807
01:28:18,118 --> 01:28:20,019
I had to drink
to fucking get myself together.

1808
01:28:20,020 --> 01:28:21,654
You know,
it went to that far for me,

1809
01:28:21,655 --> 01:28:23,724
as to have a drink a little bit
more than I usually drink,

1810
01:28:23,725 --> 01:28:27,227
because I just didn't want to
hear the bullshit, you know?

1811
01:28:27,228 --> 01:28:29,229
But like I say, I survived it.

1812
01:28:29,230 --> 01:28:29,999
Life goes on, and guess what,
it's a happy day.

1813
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,232
Life goes on, and guess what,
it's a happy day.

1814
01:28:32,233 --> 01:28:33,868
Dennis brushes over it,

1815
01:28:33,869 --> 01:28:35,637
but is he being
completely honest with himself?

1816
01:28:35,638 --> 01:28:37,572
He cherished his relationship
with Kim

1817
01:28:37,573 --> 01:28:39,808
and knew that this
was his chance

1818
01:28:39,809 --> 01:28:42,277
to show the world
what he could do.

1819
01:28:42,278 --> 01:28:43,612
Dennis also appeared to have

1820
01:28:43,613 --> 01:28:45,581
a real affinity
with north Korea.

1821
01:28:45,582 --> 01:28:47,583
At the start of this journey,
it seemed that the d.P.R.K.

1822
01:28:47,584 --> 01:28:49,585
And Dennis rodman
couldn't be any more different,

1823
01:28:49,586 --> 01:28:52,922
but as Joe explains, they're
more alike than you might think.

1824
01:28:52,923 --> 01:28:55,792
People accuse Dennis rodman
of being crazy, being stupid,

1825
01:28:55,793 --> 01:28:57,661
and I'll tell you, he's neither.

1826
01:28:57,662 --> 01:28:59,863
He's one of the smartest guys
I've ever met,

1827
01:28:59,864 --> 01:29:00,000
once I got to know him.

1828
01:29:00,001 --> 01:29:01,231
Once I got to know him.

1829
01:29:01,232 --> 01:29:03,267
I didn't expect that
before I met him,

1830
01:29:03,268 --> 01:29:06,137
because we all know
that he has trouble, sometimes,

1831
01:29:06,138 --> 01:29:07,105
being articulate.

1832
01:29:07,106 --> 01:29:08,573
But when you see him work,

1833
01:29:08,574 --> 01:29:10,508
it's just like he was
on the field,

1834
01:29:10,509 --> 01:29:12,744
when he's playing basketball
on the court.

1835
01:29:12,745 --> 01:29:15,247
He can predict what's gonna
happen in the future,

1836
01:29:15,248 --> 01:29:17,649
and he sees things
in multiple dimensions,

1837
01:29:17,650 --> 01:29:19,885
so he's a very smart,
actually smart, guy.

1838
01:29:19,886 --> 01:29:22,287
North Korea is accused
of the same damn thing.

1839
01:29:22,288 --> 01:29:24,758
North Korea --
People say they're irrational

1840
01:29:24,759 --> 01:29:27,761
because they don't take the time
to understand their premises

1841
01:29:27,762 --> 01:29:29,763
and to understand
how they think.

1842
01:29:29,764 --> 01:29:30,000
But most of the things they do
are completely logical

1843
01:29:30,001 --> 01:29:32,632
but most of the things they do
are completely logical

1844
01:29:32,633 --> 01:29:34,735
once you understand
that their value system

1845
01:29:34,736 --> 01:29:36,771
and their premises
are different.

1846
01:29:36,772 --> 01:29:39,106
So it's the same for Dennis
and north Korea,

1847
01:29:39,107 --> 01:29:41,542
and it's the common bond
that unites them,

1848
01:29:41,543 --> 01:29:43,779
is that neither
is either stupid or crazy.

1849
01:29:43,780 --> 01:29:46,181
They just are accused of that
by the mainstream

1850
01:29:46,182 --> 01:29:48,583
and the mainstream opinion
in the media.

1851
01:29:48,584 --> 01:29:50,752
And so I think
that they bond over that.

1852
01:29:50,753 --> 01:29:53,088
Not only is he not stupid --

1853
01:29:53,089 --> 01:29:56,292
Dennis rodman somehow became
the one high-profile American

1854
01:29:56,293 --> 01:29:57,894
with direct contact

1855
01:29:57,895 --> 01:29:59,529
to the ruling power
in north Korea.

1856
01:29:59,530 --> 01:30:00,000
Whether that relationship
is gone for good,

1857
01:30:00,001 --> 01:30:01,264
whether that relationship
is gone for good,

1858
01:30:01,265 --> 01:30:03,166
we'll have to wait and see.

1859
01:30:03,167 --> 01:30:05,636
Dennis has to take
responsibility

1860
01:30:05,637 --> 01:30:06,970
for his own actions.

1861
01:30:06,971 --> 01:30:09,840
But if the establishment
hadn't been so tough on him,

1862
01:30:09,841 --> 01:30:13,678
then maybe, just maybe,
he wouldn't have hit

1863
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:16,948
the self-destruct button
quite so hard.

1864
01:30:16,949 --> 01:30:18,950
The more you keep going at it,
the more you keep going at it,

1865
01:30:18,951 --> 01:30:20,919
the more you keep pursuing
something, pursuing something,

1866
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:22,520
sooner or later,
something's got to happen.

1867
01:30:22,521 --> 01:30:24,690
It's a big picture,
not this one.

1868
01:30:24,691 --> 01:30:26,125
It's a big picture, okay?

1869
01:30:26,126 --> 01:30:28,627
So, you know, it's, like,
it's gonna work,

1870
01:30:28,628 --> 01:30:29,999
and people don't open their eyes
and say, "wow.

1871
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:30,867
And people don't open their eyes
and say, "wow.

1872
01:30:30,868 --> 01:30:32,068
Okay, great, cool."

1873
01:30:32,069 --> 01:30:34,337
We could actually
go to north Korea

1874
01:30:34,338 --> 01:30:37,040
and actually survive
and actually come back,

1875
01:30:37,041 --> 01:30:39,876
and actually are saying,
"wow," you know,

1876
01:30:39,877 --> 01:30:41,344
"it's not so bad."

1877
01:30:41,345 --> 01:30:44,414
But people want to make it
like that country is so --

1878
01:30:44,415 --> 01:30:46,916
It's like the devil,
and it's not.

1879
01:30:48,919 --> 01:30:52,022
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