1 00: 00: 39,410 --> 00: 00: 41,350 Now is no longer the industrial era. 2 00: 00: 41,450 --> 00: 00: 43,890 Now we are in the technological era. 3 00: 00: 47,170 --> 00: 00: 50,190 Fascists. They have resources. 4 00: 00: 50,290 --> 00: 00: 52,510 But we have imagination. 5 00: 00: 52,610 --> 00: 00: 56,170 We make tools for the sake of restore our sovereignty. 6 00: 00: 57,250 --> 00: 01: 01,150 When we condemn the system, it takes off the grip ... 7 00: 01: 01,250 --> 00: 01: 04,890 ... on the power tool used against us. 8 00: 01: 05,890 --> 00: 01: 08,010 Fascists always use stories ... 9 00: 01: 08,130 --> 00: 01: 12,810 "We are white knights in steel which protects against threats. " 10 00: 01: 12,930 --> 00: 01: 17,870 "We came here to get rid of it darkness by using holiness. " 11 00: 01: 17,970 --> 00: 01: 20,170 That's a fake story ... 12 00: 01: 20,290 --> 00: 01: 23,910 ... because there is corruption in the palace. 13 00: 01: 24,010 --> 00: 01: 27,270 The real power is with us. 14 00: 01: 27,370 --> 00: 01: 29,330 We are darkness. 15 00: 01: 32,355 --> 00: 02: 06,355 16 00: 02: 06,380 --> 00: 02: 08,880 DEEP WEB 17 00: 02: 09,009 --> 00: 02: 12,329 Courts that have the potential to create very broad implications ... 18 00: 02: 12,449 --> 00: 02: 14,689 ... just started in New York City. 19 00: 02: 15,849 --> 00: 02: 19,429 The judge will decide on a case that can impact on internet security. 20 00: 02: 19,529 --> 00: 02: 24,609 Thousands of drugs are sold inside black website called "Silk Road." 21 00: 02: 24,969 --> 00: 02: 28,869 The government goes beyond their limits to get the information they have. 22 00: 02: 28,969 --> 00: 02: 30,429 This won't just disappear. 23 00: 02: 30,529 --> 00: 02: 35,249 This will be the biggest drop of what already exists. 24 00: 02: 40,049 --> 00: 02: 42,749 On January 13, 2015 ... 25 00: 02: 42,849 --> 00: 02: 46,249 ... criminal court starts up unexpected Silk Road leader, ... 26 00: 02: 46,369 --> 00: 02: 50,409 ... black market in the internet area called "Deep Web." 27 00: 02: 52,409 --> 00: 02: 54,309 Deep Web is very broad ... 28 00: 02: 54,409 --> 00: 02: 57,149 ... thousands of times wider than visible internet area ... 29 00: 02: 57,249 --> 00: 02: 59,229 ... called the "Web Surface." 30 00: 02: 59,329 --> 00: 03: 01,289 But the Deep Web is not a place. 31 00: 03: 01,409 --> 00: 03: 04,869 Deep Web is just a collection Online content is not recorded. 32 00: 03: 04,969 --> 00: 03: 07,549 Banking data, administration code for the government, ... 33 00: 03: 07,649 --> 00: 03: 09,549 ... companies and universities. 34 00: 03: 09,649 --> 00: 03: 12,609 That's like looking to the bottom of the Internet. 35 00: 03: 12,729 --> 00: 03: 16,269 Over time, Deep Web is inhabited by people with various types ... 36 00: 03: 16,369 --> 00: 03: 19,169 ... who wants to use this area for privacy. 37 00: 03: 19,289 --> 00: 03: 22,589 Hidden area of The Deep Web is called "Dark Net" ... 38 00: 03: 22,689 --> 00: 03: 25,769 ... and can be accessed with software service called "Tor" ... 39 00: 03: 25,889 --> 00: 03: 30,989 ... which was originally used by the US military. Now becoming open source and publicly funded. 40 00: 03: 31,089 --> 00: 03: 35,109 When law enforcement and media assume Tor and Dark Net ... 41 00: 03: 35,209 --> 00: 03: 37,229 ... as an evil tool for criminals, ... 42 00: 03: 37,329 --> 00: 03: 40,549 ... it's important to know that mostly used for good ... 43 00: 03: 40,649 --> 00: 03: 45,289 ... by government agencies, journalists, and activists throughout the world. 44 00: 03: 51,049 --> 00: 03: 53,609 In the summer of 2011 ... 45 00: 03: 53,729 --> 00: 03: 56,709 ... a Silk Road ad appears on Dark Net. 46 00: 03: 56,809 --> 00: 04: 00,749 Silk Road is a place of exchange covered in various types of goods ... 47 00: 04: 00,849 --> 00: 04: 03,689 ... but most are drugs. 48 00: 04: 03,809 --> 00: 04: 06,149 There is always an online drug market ... 49 00: 04: 06,249 --> 00: 04: 10,889 ... but nothing is as sophisticated and as easy as Silk Road. 50 00: 04: 11,009 --> 00: 04: 13,129 The closure did not last long. 51 00: 04: 14,089 --> 00: 04: 17,869 Hundreds of thousands of users use website that is impossible to track ... 52 00: 04: 17,969 --> 00: 04: 22,029 ... who sells drugs, fake documents, and even contract killers. 53 00: 04: 22,129 --> 00: 04: 24,029 The website is called Silk Road. 54 00: 04: 24,129 --> 00: 04: 28,769 Just look at 13,000 items offered the site. 55 00: 04: 28,889 --> 00: 04: 32,229 Ultra pure cocaine, genuine and pure LSD, ... 56 00: 04: 32,329 --> 00: 04: 35,589 ... high level MDMA, or commonly called "Molly." 57 00: 04: 35,689 --> 00: 04: 37,609 All with express delivery and free. 58 00: 04: 37,729 --> 00: 04: 41,609 This produces around 1.2 billion dollars ... 59 00: 04: 41,729 --> 00: 04: 46,149 ... with 960 thousand users, both buyers and sellers ... 60 00: 04: 46,249 --> 00: 04: 49,308 ... in the US and dozens of other countries. 61 00: 04: 49,408 --> 00: 04: 52,488 YouTube videos like this with 15,000 viewers ... 62 00: 04: 52,608 --> 00: 04: 57,228 ... tell everyone how to download untraceable technology called Tor ... 63 00: 04: 57,328 --> 00: 05: 00,608 ... that draws data from thousands of computers all over the world ... 64 00: 05: 00,728 --> 00: 05: 03,308 ... to create this open market. 65 00: 05: 03,408 --> 00: 05: 08,128 This hidden internet is supported by a virtual currency called "Bitcoin." 66 00: 05: 08,248 --> 00: 05: 10,568 Bitcoin offers anonymous transactions ... 67 00: 05: 10,688 --> 00: 05: 14,368 ... which is impossible to track by the police. 68 00: 05: 14,488 --> 00: 05: 18,888 Heroin, opium, marijuana, ecstasy, psychedelic, stimulant ... 69 00: 05: 20,728 --> 00: 05: 23,168 ... opioid. And they are there. 70 00: 05: 23,288 --> 00: 05: 25,408 Oxycodone, everyone. 71 00: 05: 25,528 --> 00: 05: 29,608 Kodein, putaw. Just say, they have everything. 72 00: 05: 29,728 --> 00: 05: 33,408 They are all registered. Unbelieveable. 73 00: 05: 34,008 --> 00: 05: 37,668 The success of Silk Road was caused by innovative combinations ... 74 00: 05: 37,768 --> 00: 05: 39,468 ... between Tor and Bitcoin. 75 00: 05: 39,568 --> 00: 05: 41,448 Bitcoin is technology which uses... 76 00: 05: 41,473 --> 00: 05: 44,373 ... cryptographic code for creating digital currency. 77 00: 05: 44,448 --> 00: 05: 48,228 The sender transmits their Bitcoin code through the main cash named "Blockchain" ... 78 00: 05: 48,328 --> 00: 05: 50,048 ... sent to the recipient. 79 00: 05: 50,168 --> 00: 05: 52,608 Bitcoin is not completely anonymous. 80 00: 05: 52,728 --> 00: 05: 57,508 But if you are careful, this facilitates online purchases without opening an identity. 81 00: 05: 57,608 --> 00: 06: 00,268 Bitcoin is ideal currency for Silk Road ... 82 00: 06: 00,368 --> 00: 06: 01,968 ... because it frees anonymity ... 83 00: 06: 02,088 --> 00: 06: 05,408 ... as well as outside the bank's control and the government. 84 00: 06: 11,448 --> 00: 06: 15,648 I only knew Silk Road when Adrian Chen on Gawker ... 85 00: 06: 15,768 --> 00: 06: 17,568 ... open the profile. 86 00: 06: 19,768 --> 00: 06: 23,148 I think with the story who documented Silk Road ... 87 00: 06: 23,248 --> 00: 06: 27,868 ... created Silk Road itself. It directs people to the site. 88 00: 06: 27,968 --> 00: 06: 32,168 I guess that's the cause increased user on Silk Road. 89 00: 06: 32,288 --> 00: 06: 34,788 So, since then, i feel lost story ... 90 00: 06: 34,888 --> 00: 06: 38,268 ... and I want a big story next about Silk Road. 91 00: 06: 38,368 --> 00: 06: 42,588 But I'm also amazed with a community that ... 92 00: 06: 42,688 --> 00: 06: 45,148 ... created there. 93 00: 06: 45,248 --> 00: 06: 48,968 eBay does not have user community like that. 94 00: 06: 49,088 --> 00: 06: 53,228 This is like a movement people who are organized. 95 00: 06: 53,328 --> 00: 06: 57,028 This is an interesting thing to investigate. 96 00: 06: 57,128 --> 00: 07: 00,828 This is a special shop for illegal drugs ... 97 00: 07: 00,928 --> 00: 07: 03,588 ... which reflects bravest effort ... 98 00: 07: 03,688 --> 00: 07: 06,528 ... to peddle online medicine. 99 00: 07: 06,648 --> 00: 07: 09,328 This is bolder than everything that ever existed. 100 00: 07: 09,448 --> 00: 07: 12,508 They have a target behind them. 101 00: 07: 12,608 --> 00: 07: 17,548 And they have taunting law enforcement ... 102 00: 07: 17,648 --> 00: 07: 21,348 ... and others with do this openly. 103 00: 07: 21,448 --> 00: 07: 24,608 And that's part of this market. 104 00: 07: 24,728 --> 00: 07: 28,708 It's not about selling drugs, but they tried to convey ... 105 00: 07: 28,808 --> 00: 07: 32,648 ... some kind of political statement. 106 00: 07: 32,768 --> 00: 07: 35,627 "This should not be prohibited. We are free to do anything ... " 107 00: 07: 35,727 --> 00: 07: 37,887 "... and we have technology to do it. " 108 00: 07: 38,567 --> 00: 07: 41,147 News about Silk Road almost all rumored ... 109 00: 07: 41,247 --> 00: 07: 43,567 ... by law enforcement and government officials ... 110 00: 07: 43,687 --> 00: 07: 47,427 ... with a little information by people which is behind the market itself. 111 00: 07: 47,527 --> 00: 07: 51,067 Become an architect and vendor from Silk Road sought ... 112 00: 07: 51,167 --> 00: 07: 56,067 ... use the encryption key for verify their identity and anonymity. 113 00: 07: 56,167 --> 00: 07: 58,907 This is their first time speak to the public. 114 00: 07: 59,007 --> 00: 08: 03,207 Silk Road Forum is a community best I've seen. 115 00: 08: 03,327 --> 00: 08: 07,367 There are many threads that are discuss politics and philosophy. 116 00: 08: 07,487 --> 00: 08: 09,427 Of course there are illegal things that happen ... 117 00: 08: 09,527 --> 00: 08: 13,087 ... but this is the community with broad-minded people. 118 00: 08: 13,847 --> 00: 08: 16,367 Silk Road seemed to have no leader. 119 00: 08: 16,647 --> 00: 08: 19,587 There are only regular posts from the system admin ... 120 00: 08: 19,687 --> 00: 08: 23,167 ... but it seems the service is run by the community itself. 121 00: 08: 23,287 --> 00: 08: 25,827 Then on February 5, 2012 ... 122 00: 08: 25,927 --> 00: 08: 28,267 ... after the first year business success ... 123 00: 08: 28,367 --> 00: 08: 30,707 ... the Silk Road admin made an announcement ... 124 00: 08: 30,807 --> 00: 08: 32,987 "I need an identity regardless of this site ... " 125 00: 08: 33,087 --> 00: 08: 35,527 "... and company which only I live. " 126 00: 08: 35,727 --> 00: 08: 38,667 "I need a name. Drum beat, please ... " 127 00: 08: 38,767 --> 00: 08: 42,007 "My new name is Pirate Roberts Dread." 128 00: 08: 42,127 --> 00: 08: 44,747 - You are the Pirate Roberts Dread. - Certain. 129 00: 08: 44,847 --> 00: 08: 47,787 Pirate Roberts Dread taken from mythical characters ... 130 00: 08: 47,887 --> 00: 08: 52,067 ... of The Princess Bride's novels and films and the election is not careless. 131 00: 08: 52,167 --> 00: 08: 55,047 In the original story made William Goldman, Dread Pirate Roberts ... 132 00: 08: 55,167 --> 00: 08: 59,547 ... is an inherited pseudonym from the users and continue forever. 133 00: 08: 59,647 --> 00: 09: 02,527 The man who inherited me is not Original Pirate Roberts Dread. 134 00: 09: 02,687 --> 00: 09: 06,227 The original Roberts has retired 15 years then I became Roberts. 135 00: 09: 06,327 --> 00: 09: 08,507 I will retire and submit names to other people. 136 00: 09: 08,607 --> 00: 09: 11,107 This Pirate Roberts Dread or DPR ... 137 00: 09: 11,207 --> 00: 09: 13,467 ... will be the spearhead Silk Road forum ... 138 00: 09: 13,567 --> 00: 09: 16,807 ... and considered as maker and creator of the site. 139 00: 09: 16,927 --> 00: 09: 18,747 For me Dread Pirate Roberts ... 140 00: 09: 18,847 --> 00: 09: 21,787 ... is the most interesting figure in the world. 141 00: 09: 21,887 --> 00: 09: 25,427 On the Silk Road forum, he is the one who posts often ... 142 00: 09: 25,527 --> 00: 09: 30,147 ... a love letter to the user and the libertarian philosophy thread. 143 00: 09: 30,247 --> 00: 09: 33,567 And he even has book club Dread Pirate Roberts ... 144 00: 09: 33,687 --> 00: 09: 36,827 ... where he hosted discussion of Austrian economics ... 145 00: 09: 36,927 --> 00: 09: 39,287 ... and the philosophy of free trade. 146 00: 09: 39,407 --> 00: 09: 41,407 At the time, nobody knows him. 147 00: 09: 41,647 --> 00: 09: 44,007 He never spoke to the press. 148 00: 09: 44,127 --> 00: 09: 48,007 I approached him at in 2012 on the Silk Road forum ... 149 00: 09: 48,127 --> 00: 09: 51,007 ... start persuading him to talk ... 150 00: 09: 51,127 --> 00: 09: 54,807 ... approached him and continued to annoy him. 151 00: 09: 58,007 --> 00: 10: 01,087 Real trigger, I guess what makes him talk ... 152 00: 10: 01,207 --> 00: 10: 04,647 ... is a website rival named "Atlantis." 153 00: 10: 04,767 --> 00: 10: 09,367 Their marketing is more aggressive than Silk Road. 154 00: 10: 12,127 --> 00: 10: 12,027 They spread videos on YouTube ... 155 00: 10: 12,127 --> 00: 10: 17,767 ... advertises Atlantis as the latest and better drug sites. 156 00: 10: 17,887 --> 00: 10: 20,126 So I went back to Dread Pirate Roberts ... 157 00: 10: 20,246 --> 00: 10: 22,246 ... and say, "I will work on this story." 158 00: 10: 22,366 --> 00: 10: 25,026 "The story of Atlantis or your story." 159 00: 10: 25,126 --> 00: 10: 27,546 I think he is aware. 160 00: 10: 27,646 --> 00: 10: 31,426 He's a conscious smart businessman have to talk at that time. 161 00: 10: 31,526 --> 00: 10: 34,566 He has a kind of political message which he wants to convey ... 162 00: 10: 34,686 --> 00: 10: 37,126 ... and I can see from posts in the forum. 163 00: 10: 37,246 --> 00: 10: 39,366 So I played a little and I said ... 164 00: 10: 39,486 --> 00: 10: 43,486 "I can be an ark for you to convey what the Silk Road means. " 165 00: 10: 43,606 --> 00: 10: 45,126 And I think that's interesting for him. 166 00: 10: 45,246 --> 00: 10: 48,366 After eight months, finally he agreed to the interview. 167 00: 10: 51,126 --> 00: 10: 54,106 Of course he didn't say anything about him ... 168 00: 10: 54,206 --> 00: 10: 57,126 ... where he lives, his age, his identity ... 169 00: 10: 57,246 --> 00: 10: 59,646 ... all that can identified remotely. 170 00: 11: 02,686 --> 00: 11: 05,786 "I didn't start Silk Road. My predecessor started it. " 171 00: 11: 05,886 --> 00: 11: 09,686 "The idea is to integrating Bitcoin and Tor ... " 172 00: 11: 09,806 --> 00: 11: 12,646 "... to create an anonymous market. Everything is available. " 173 00: 11: 12,766 --> 00: 11: 14,406 "He just combined it." 174 00: 11: 14,526 --> 00: 11: 18,846 "The only thing I admit is I'm not the first Silk Road admin. " 175 00: 11: 18,966 --> 00: 11: 21,066 He is very closed ... 176 00: 11: 21,166 --> 00: 11: 24,026 ... about the interior of Silk Road and ... 177 00: 11: 12,126 --> 00: 11: 26,106 ... his identity. 178 00: 11: 26,206 --> 00: 11: 30,086 He is hunted by every law enforcement agencies. 179 00: 11: 33,286 --> 00: 11: 35,746 "Silk Road Management is a collaborative effort. " 180 00: 11: 35,846 --> 00: 11: 38,826 "It's not only me who makes sure Silk Road runs smoothly. " 181 00: 11: 38,926 --> 00: 11: 42,786 "Most importantly, the best idea come from the community itself. " 182 00: 11: 42,886 --> 00: 11: 45,926 But he said interesting things about how he sees himself and ... 183 00: 11: 46,046 --> 00: 11: 48,566 ... and how Silk Road works. 184 00: 11: 50,646 --> 00: 11: 54,346 "We are prohibited from selling goods with intent endanger innocent people ... " 185 00: 11: 54,446 --> 00: 11: 57,386 "... or bring innocent people to market. " 186 00: 11: 57,486 --> 00: 11: 59,706 "For example, everything stolen is prohibited." 187 00: 11: 59,806 --> 00: 12: 02,786 "Counterfeit money and coupons to cheat people. " 188 00: 12: 02,886 --> 00: 12: 05,706 "Forbidden murderers even child pornography. " 189 00: 12: 05,806 --> 00: 12: 08,906 "Nothing is sold on Silk Road violate the rule. " 190 00: 12: 09,006 --> 00: 12: 14,246 This is more than just legalizing marijuana and heroin. 191 00: 12: 14,366 --> 00: 12: 19,186 He wants to see a new relationship between individuals and government ... 192 00: 12: 19,286 --> 00: 12: 22,806 ... where is the government usually crippling ... 193 00: 12: 22,926 --> 00: 12: 25,726 ... what they cannot control. 194 00: 12: 28,686 --> 00: 12: 33,066 "In essence, Silk Road is the way to mediate between countries. " 195 00: 12: 33,166 --> 00: 12: 37,206 "The state tries to control every aspect our live. Not just drug use. " 196 00: 12: 37,486 --> 00: 12: 41,426 "They did that. There was a chance to live the life you want ... " 197 00: 12: 41,526 --> 00: 12: 43,686 "... regardless of their efforts." 198 00: 12: 43,886 --> 00: 12: 47,486 I shouldn't say this, but I like Dread Pirate Roberts ... 199 00: 12: 47,606 --> 00: 12: 50,266 ... which I interviewed. I think he ... 200 00: 12: 50,366 --> 00: 12: 54,946 ... very interesting person with a reasonable philosophy. 201 00: 12: 55,046 --> 00: 12: 59,206 I think he's some kind of figure middle-aged wise. 202 00: 12: 59,446 --> 00: 13: 03,486 But not everyone is on Silk Road convinced of libertarian philosophy. 203 00: 13: 03,606 --> 00: 13: 08,185 To stop the Narcotics War is agenda that unites the community. 204 00: 13: 08,285 --> 00: 13: 11,545 The reason the DPR made the website ... 205 00: 13: 11,645 --> 00: 13: 14,285 ... and start the drug market by taking risks ... 206 00: 13: 14,405 --> 00: 13: 18,025 ... because he wants to reduce violence ... 207 00: 13: 18,125 --> 00: 13: 21,445 ... in drug trafficking. Because that will happen. 208 00: 13: 21,565 --> 00: 13: 24,125 And that reason will happen because there is a Narcotics War. 209 00: 13: 26,405 --> 00: 13: 30,105 Violence is not only happening between sellers and buyers. 210 00: 13: 30,205 --> 00: 13: 32,665 Violence is on the police ... 211 00: 13: 32,765 --> 00: 13: 35,965 ... and federal agents demand this war. 212 00: 13: 36,085 --> 00: 13: 39,325 And not to mention violence that happened abroad. 213 00: 13: 39,685 --> 00: 13: 42,845 We are the abusers in this world in terms of drugs. 214 00: 13: 43,165 --> 00: 13: 48,305 More than 50 percent of the citizens of this country say to DEA ... 215 00: 13: 48,405 --> 00: 13: 50,445 "We don't want you demand this war again. " 216 00: 13: 50,565 --> 00: 13: 52,425 They must eliminate drugs. 217 00: 13: 52,525 --> 00: 13: 57,445 Narcotics War is about fear, uncertainty and doubt. 218 00: 13: 58,445 --> 00: 14: 02,025 I can see Silk Road not a cyber crime scheme. 219 00: 14: 02,125 --> 00: 14: 05,925 This is only someone who sees himself as the leader of a movement. 220 00: 14: 06,045 --> 00: 14: 08,665 "One thing I learned when playing Pirate Roberts Dread ... " 221 00: 14: 08,765 --> 00: 14: 12,665 "... is your act of making a part people are happy and others are angry. " 222 00: 14: 12,765 --> 00: 14: 16,025 "But we can't keep quiet. We have an important message. " 223 00: 14: 16,125 --> 00: 14: 18,585 "And it's time for the world to hear it." 224 00: 14: 18,685 --> 00: 14: 22,405 "What we do is not only make drugs and sell them. " 225 00: 14: 22,525 --> 00: 14: 26,225 "It's about defending our rights as human and refuse to give up ... " 226 00: 14: 26,325 --> 00: 14: 27,905 "... when we didn't make a mistake." 227 00: 14: 28,005 --> 00: 14: 30,505 "Silk Road is a vehicle for that message. " 228 00: 14: 30,605 --> 00: 14: 33,125 "The others are just additions." 229 00: 14: 33,685 --> 00: 14: 36,925 Silk Road is running because Dread Pirate Roberts is trusted. 230 00: 14: 37,045 --> 00: 14: 41,185 He could have closed Silk Road and run away from everyone's Bitcoin. 231 00: 14: 41,285 --> 00: 14: 44,425 We have seen that on several Dark Web sites. 232 00: 14: 44,525 --> 00: 14: 47,525 But he didn't do it. And I guess people believe he won't do ... 233 00: 14: 47,645 --> 00: 14: 51,905 ... because they feel that he really believes in this kind of radical. 234 00: 14: 52,005 --> 00: 14: 56,425 Libertarian, Crypto-Anarchic, that philosophy ... 235 00: 14: 56,525 --> 00: 14: 59,205 ... was adopted by Cypherpunk in the 1990s. 236 00: 15: 00,245 --> 00: 15: 04,365 25 years ago in the Bay Area, a group of mathematicians ... 237 00: 15: 04,485 --> 00: 15: 08,285 ... Crypto-Anarchist and mutual hackers meet in each other's homes. 238 00: 15: 08,605 --> 00: 15: 12,905 Until this group was known with the name "Cypherpunks." 239 00: 15: 13,005 --> 00: 15: 15,565 They are not motivated by social conditions ... 240 00: 15: 15,725 --> 00: 15: 19,065 ... but worried about difficult math, cryptographic technology, ... 241 00: 15: 19,165 --> 00: 15: 23,645 ... the philosophy of anonymity, individual freedom, and privacy. 242 00: 15: 23,765 --> 00: 15: 27,065 The government has a policy to access all texts ... 243 00: 15: 27,165 --> 00: 15: 29,145 ... means everything you say, they want to access it. 244 00: 15: 29,245 --> 00: 15: 31,425 If it's stored on your hard drive, they want to access it. 245 00: 15: 31,525 --> 00: 15: 33,565 If it's stored in a network cable, they want to access it. 246 00: 15: 33,685 --> 00: 15: 37,165 If you cover it, they want to know who you are. 247 00: 15: 37,645 --> 00: 15: 40,325 Cypherpunks plays a role in the movement ... 248 00: 15: 40,445 --> 00: 15: 43,145 ... against online privacy and anonymity. 249 00: 15: 43,245 --> 00: 15: 47,305 And they pioneered the road to the corner of the Internet. 250 00: 15: 47,405 --> 00: 15: 49,925 Maybe the high point the success of Cypherpunks ... 251 00: 15: 50,045 --> 00: 15: 52,744 ... is WikiLeaks which is the idea of ​​Julian Assange ... 252 00: 15: 52,844 --> 00: 15: 56,024 ... and Jacob Appelbaum about what meaning to be a Cypherpunk. 253 00: 15: 56,124 --> 00: 15: 58,104 You can't trust the government ... 254 00: 15: 58,204 --> 00: 16: 00,904 ... to carry out that policy said that it was mandatory. 255 00: 16: 01,004 --> 00: 16: 04,444 So we have to provide the underlying tool ... 256 00: 16: 04,564 --> 00: 16: 07,304 ... a secret cryptographic code that is can't be tapped by the government ... 257 00: 16: 07,404 --> 00: 16: 10,784 ... even for everyone who has that power. 258 00: 16: 10,884 --> 00: 16: 16,164 Even though the government tried, if the password is strong ... 259 00: 16: 16,284 --> 00: 16: 19,004 ... it won't work right away penetrate your communication. 260 00: 16: 12,124 --> 00: 16: 21,544 The power of authority comes from violence. 261 00: 16: 21,644 --> 00: 16: 24,464 The way is by understanding cryptography, without violence ... 262 00: 16: 24,564 --> 00: 16: 26,324 - ... will solve math problems. - right. 263 00: 16: 26,444 --> 00: 16: 29,104 And this is the most important key. Not that you won't be tortured. 264 00: 16: 29,204 --> 00: 16: 32,064 Not that they can't tap your house or anything else. 265 00: 16: 32,164 --> 00: 16: 34,784 But if they find an encrypted message, it doesn't matter if they have ... 266 00: 16: 34,884 --> 00: 16: 37,224 ... the power of authority they have ... 267 00: 16: 37,324 --> 00: 16: 38,864 ... they can't solve that math problem. 268 00: 16: 38,964 --> 00: 16: 42,524 This movement is not for destroy the law. 269 00: 16: 42,644 --> 00: 16: 46,464 This movement is not for destroy the law. 270 00: 16: 46,564 --> 00: 16: 49,244 But for legal development. 271 00: 16: 49,364 --> 00: 16: 53,404 These are the people who want to create encryption tool that can be used by everyone. 272 00: 16: 53,524 --> 00: 16: 54,904 Not only the upper class. 273 00: 16: 55,004 --> 00: 16: 58,084 They try to change how the Internet works ... 274 00: 16: 58,204 --> 00: 17: 01,884 ... to provide confidentiality, anonymity, and privacy for everyone. 275 00: 17: 02,004 --> 00: 17: 05,284 This is more like a popular movement. 276 00: 17: 05,684 --> 00: 17: 10,244 There is a security and cryptographic room for people ... 277 00: 17: 10,364 --> 00: 17: 14,364 ... who wants to live where the government is can't record their e-mail, ... 278 00: 17: 14,484 --> 00: 17: 18,484 ... can't hear their phone, can't see who they are. 279 00: 17: 18,604 --> 00: 17: 20,584 And they tried to build a tool. 280 00: 17: 20,684 --> 00: 17: 23,144 They try to build protocol and service ... 281 00: 17: 23,244 --> 00: 17: 27,244 ... which can facilitate anonymity and the confidentiality of information exchange. 282 00: 17: 27,364 --> 00: 17: 31,164 This all comes down to the desire to live freely. 283 00: 17: 31,284 --> 00: 17: 34,944 And that confession overtake all technology ... 284 00: 17: 35,044 --> 00: 17: 37,984 ... who discovered that life not completely free ... 285 00: 17: 38,084 --> 00: 17: 41,464 ... that privacy zone is the core of human value. 286 00: 17: 41,564 --> 00: 17: 46,284 And for me technology just an embodiment ... 287 00: 17: 46,524 --> 00: 17: 48,644 ... from the basis of values the human being. 288 00: 17: 48,764 --> 00: 17: 51,744 And I think people are trying to build ... 289 00: 17: 51,844 --> 00: 17: 54,564 ... currencies that are free from government tracking and control ... 290 00: 17: 54,684 --> 00: 17: 57,464 ... and the technology that gives you closed conversation ... 291 00: 17: 57,564 --> 00: 18: 01,824 ... and other things like that make other people see ... 292 00: 18: 01,924 --> 00: 18: 06,904 ... that technology can activate and deactivate that space. 293 00: 18: 07,004 --> 00: 18: 09,844 There is more Cypherpunk now. 294 00: 18: 10,204 --> 00: 18: 14,464 They want to cripple abilities government to enforce the law. 295 00: 18: 14,564 --> 00: 18: 20,104 They want the cryptography make rules, not law enforcement. 296 00: 18: 20,204 --> 00: 18: 24,444 Cody Wilson is Crypto-Anarchist who is known to develop a Liberator ... 297 00: 18: 24,564 --> 00: 18: 29,544 ... downloaded 3D printed weapons 100,000 times in two days. 298 00: 18: 29,644 --> 00: 18: 32,584 When old people know that weapons can be printed 3D ... 299 00: 18: 32,684 --> 00: 18: 36,684 ... they can only say, "It's great to live in a world that was once." 300 00: 18: 36,804 --> 00: 18: 40,803 We want to question the foundation, get rid of the runway ... 301 00: 18: 40,923 --> 00: 18: 46,283 ... about rules, morals, existing ethics, politics. 302 00: 18: 47,003 --> 00: 18: 50,523 To see beyond good and evil. And allow other things to happen. 303 00: 18: 50,923 --> 00: 18: 53,383 Here is the figure of the DPR very interesting to me. 304 00: 18: 53,483 --> 00: 18: 56,423 Is he a liberal? Is he a Misesian follower? 305 00: 18: 56,523 --> 00: 18: 58,503 He believes with libertarian market principles ... 306 00: 18: 58,603 --> 00: 19: 01,503 ... about humans against the state and all the principles of freedom ... 307 00: 19: 01,603 --> 00:19: 04,543 ... and truth or is he someone else? 308 00: 19: 04,643 --> 00: 19: 08,023 The person who fits my expectations. 309 00: 19: 08,123 --> 00:19: 10,743 People who are just looking for a mechanism ... 310 00: 19: 10,843 --> 00: 19: 13,703 ... to help see good and evil. 311 00: 19: 13,803 --> 00:19: 18,503 Is he enthusiastic about what he pioneered. 312 00: 19: 18,603 --> 00: 19: 20,423 The door he opened. 313 00: 19: 20,523 --> 00: 19: 23,703 Of course there is a dark part of Dark Web. 314 00: 19: 23,803 --> 00: 19: 27,423 If we want to activate the future of Crypto-Anarchic ... 315 00: 19: 27,523 --> 00: 19: 30,783 ... everyone involved in it must be aware that ... 316 00: 19: 30,883 --> 00: 19: 33,863 ... they will activate really bad thing ... 317 00: 19: 33,963 --> 00: 19: 38,523 ... along with revolutionary information the freedom they profess. 318 00: 19: 39,083 --> 00: 19: 42,583 In August 2012, business is growing rapidly. 319 00: 19: 42,683 --> 00: 19: 47,323 Silk Road is a market thriving, anonymous and unregulated. 320 00: 19: 47,443 --> 00: 19: 51,323 This is commonplace, bring a big threat to the government ... 321 00: 19: 51,443 --> 00: 19: 53,483 ... greater than drug trafficking. 322 00: 19: 53,603 --> 00: 19: 56,523 Although as a law enforcement officer, I still don't know ... 323 00: 19: 56,643 --> 00: 20: 00,983 ... where to buy cocaine or heroin on the street. 324 00: 20: 01,083 --> 00: 20: 03,143 But I know how look for it on the Internet. 325 00: 20: 03,243 --> 00: 20: 06,083 Only need to download software and then you're there ... 326 00: 20: 06,203 --> 00: 20: 09,923 ... and you buy service or drugs easily. 327 00: 20: 10,723 --> 00:20: 14,463 Since when are teenagers obsessed with daily mail delivery? 328 00: 20: 14,563 --> 00: 20: 17,983 Anxiety made Mrs. Fisher suspicious. 329 00: 20: 18,083 --> 00: 20: 22,823 So when the letter arrived, he took it and find a cartoon DVD box ... 330 00: 20: 22,923 --> 00: 20: 27,363 ... aimed at his son with something more. One white crystal wrap. 331 00: 20: 27,483 --> 00: 20: 31,803 So he talked with his 14-year-old son and their lives change. 332 00: 20: 32,123 --> 00: 20: 34,823 I don't think everyone cares with law enforcement ... 333 00: 20: 34,923 --> 00: 20: 37,543 ... until a member of the Schumer senate said, "Gosh, we have to do something." 334 00: 20: 37,643 --> 00: 20: 40,323 Today I contact DEA and the Department of Justice ... 335 00: 20: 40,443 --> 00: 20: 44,003 ... to close this site before other damage occurs. 336 00: 20: 44,123 --> 00: 20: 46,923 Because if you think law apparatus at the federal level ... 337 00: 20: 47,043 --> 00: 20: 49,143 ... have to start a case ... 338 00: 20: 49,243 --> 00: 20: 52,643 ... I don't think this case will begin if there is no political push ... 339 00: 20: 52,763 --> 00: 20: 55,643 ... like a senate who said, "We need to check this." 340 00: 20: 55,763 --> 00: 21: 00,263 The FBI closed the Internet site the most sophisticated ... 341 00: 21: 00,363 --> 00: 21: 04,843 ... in the business of selling hard drugs, including heroin, cocaine, and LSD. 342 00: 21: 05,283 --> 00: 21: 08,703 Everyone who tries to enter to the website find this announcement. 343 00: 21: 08,803 --> 00: 21: 10,363 "Closed by the FBI." 344 00: 21: 10,483 --> 00: 21: 13,223 This is the most sophisticated electronic site ... 345 00: 21: 13,323 --> 00: 21: 16,023 ... and takes time two years for federal agents. 346 00: 21: 16,123 --> 00: 21: 19,483 They managed to infiltrate the site, but they made several purchases ... 347 00: 21: 19,603 --> 00: 21: 21,723 ... using a secret identity. 348 00: 21: 21,843 --> 00: 21: 26,822 The mysterious Dread Pirate Roberts was arrested in a place that is impossible ... 349 00: 21: 26,922 --> 00: 21: 30,242 ... a library local public in San Francisco. 350 00: 21: 30,362 --> 00: 21: 33,942 The FBI confiscated 3.6 million dollars ... 351 00: 21: 34,042 --> 00: 21: 38,402 ... Bitcoin which is biggest in five years. 352 00: 21: 51,722 --> 00: 21: 54,782 When the first criminal complaint appeared in October ... 353 00: 21: 54,882 --> 00: 21: 58,082 ... complaints describe men 29 years old named Ross Ulbricht. 354 00: 22: 00,322 --> 00: 22: 04,542 Not just running black market billions of dollars ... 355 00: 22: 04,642 --> 00: 22: 07,542 ... they accused him of it drug trafficking and money laundering ... 356 00: 22: 07,642 --> 00: 22: 09,922 ... and hacking demands ... 357 00: 22: 10,042 --> 00: 22: 13,882 ... which is something that is never on Silk Road. 358 00: 22: 14,522 --> 00: 22: 18,402 Then in this criminal complaint also described ... 359 00: 22: 18,522 --> 00: 22: 20,822 ... plans to pay for murder ... 360 00: 22: 20,922 --> 00: 22: 24,182 ... towards informal potential and extortionists. 361 00: 22: 24,282 --> 00: 22: 26,522 Looks at least one Silk Road user ... 362 00: 22: 26,642 --> 00: 22: 29,542 ... threatening to reveal the identity of thousands of other users. 363 00: 22: 29,642 --> 00: 22: 34,882 So the investigator said Ulbricht tried hiring a killer against that user ... 364 00: 22: 35,002 --> 00: 22: 39,802 ... by offering 150 thousand dollars on hitmen because ... 365 00: 22: 39,922 --> 00: 22: 42,662 "For me this kind of behavior unforgivable. " 366 00: 22: 42,762 --> 00: 22: 47,042 "Especially on Silk Road. Anonymity is sacred. " 367 00: 22: 47,162 --> 00: 22: 49,022 This surprised me. Not this one... 368 00: 22: 49,122 --> 00: 22: 51,582 ... the Pirate Roberts Dread I imagined. 369 00: 22: 51,682 --> 00: 22: 54,442 The relationship between Ross Ulbricht ... 370 00: 22: 54,562 --> 00: 22: 57,822 ... which has a lot of evidence to show that he was involved on Silk Road. 371 00: 22: 57,922 --> 00: 23: 01,122 They confiscated his laptop when he was on Silk Road. 372 00: 23: 01,242 --> 00: 23: 02,682 He was caught red-handed. 373 00: 23: 02,802 --> 00: 23: 05,602 But these two figures, these two personalities ... 374 00: 23: 05,722 --> 00: 23: 08,582 ... looks different. 375 00: 23: 08,682 --> 00: 23: 12,022 It's hard to imagine they are the same person. 376 00: 23: 12,122 --> 00: 23: 16,322 And all FBI cases are based on idea if they can show ... 377 00: 23: 16,442 --> 00: 23: 18,362 ... that Pirate Roberts Dread is Ross Ulbricht? 378 00: 23: 18,482 --> 00: 23: 20,582 Right. That's the most important part. 379 00: 23: 20,682 --> 00: 23: 23,782 Because he tried to hide his identity on that site too. 380 00: 23: 23,882 --> 00: 23: 26,942 So the first thing they do is connecting it ... 381 00: 23: 27,042 --> 00: 23: 29,522 ... as the person who runs the site. 382 00: 23: 34,002 --> 00: 23: 36,542 This is like yesterday. 383 00: 23: 36,642 --> 00: 23: 41,242 I'm opening a computer and playing Facebook. 384 00: 23: 41,362 --> 00: 23: 45,882 And I know this man who really likes Bitcoin ... 385 00: 23: 46,002 --> 00: 23: 47,962 ... and such currencies. 386 00: 23: 48,082 --> 00: 23: 52,382 He posted an article that said "Ross Ulbricht Detained." 387 00: 23: 52,482 --> 00: 23: 55,702 And I chat with Lyn and I'm like ... 388 00: 23: 55,802 --> 00: 23: 59,742 "What happened?" And I saw Ross's page ... 389 00: 23: 59,842 --> 00: 24: 03,222 ... photos of his arrest. What is this? 390 00: 24: 03,322 --> 00: 24: 06,262 He said, "We don't even know. We are leaving for Costa Rica now. " 391 00: 24: 06,362 --> 00: 24: 09,621 They are on their way, but that surprised me. 392 00: 24: 09,721 --> 00: 24: 11,921 Really surprised me. 393 00: 24: 15,761 --> 00: 24: 19,141 Ross William Ulbricht grows in the suburbs of Austin ... 394 00: 24: 19,241 --> 00: 24: 23,381 ... his only son from Kirk and Lyn who has an older sister named Callie. 395 00: 24: 23,481 --> 00: 24: 26,581 They are a loving family, harmonious, and simple. 396 00: 24: 26,681 --> 00: 24: 29,241 Ulbricht's family earns income from the property they built ... 397 00: 24: 29,361 --> 00: 24: 32,321 ... and rent on the coast of Costa Rica. 398 00: 24: 32,441 --> 00: 24: 36,161 Ross is a fan of nature, scout like his father ... 399 00: 24: 36,281 --> 00: 24: 39,041 ... and show talent in the field of mathematics. 400 00: 24: 39,321 --> 00: 24: 42,881 Ross received a full scholarship at University of Texas at Dallas ... 401 00: 24: 43,001 --> 00: 24: 44,821 ... studying physics. 402 00: 24: 44,921 --> 00: 24: 49,441 He graduated in 2006 and obtained other scholarships at Penn State ... 403 00: 24: 49,641 --> 00: 24: 53,401 ... to pursue a Masters degree at Material Engineering. 404 00: 24: 53,521 --> 00: 24: 57,401 It was at Penn State that Ross started his interest in libertarianism ... 405 00: 24: 57,521 --> 00: 25: 02,081 ... especially the work of Ludwig Von Mises and the Austrian School of Economics. 406 00: 25: 02,201 --> 00: 25: 05,341 Completed his Masters in 2009 ... 407 00: 25: 05,441 --> 00: 25: 07,721 ... Ross seemed to have change of life plan ... 408 00: 25: 07,841 --> 00: 25: 12,321 ... said to his mother, he didn't interested in pursuing a career in science ... 409 00: 25: 12,441 --> 00: 25: 15,221 ... instead of being an entrepreneur. 410 00: 25: 15,321 --> 00: 25: 19,781 Ross returns to Austin and opens his book company, Good Wagon ... 411 00: 25: 19,881 --> 00: 25: 23,221 ... donating a portion of the proceeds for youth programs in cities ... 412 00: 25: 23,321 --> 00: 25: 25,561 ... and prison literacy projects. 413 00: 25: 25,721 --> 00: 25: 29,981 I remember the last time we met, when we drink coffee and he says ... 414 00: 25: 30,081 --> 00: 25: 34,681 He said that he hoped to enter brotherhood group during college first. 415 00: 25: 34,801 --> 00: 25: 36,641 And I replied, "That's surprising." 416 00: 25: 36,761 --> 00: 25: 40,161 I don't understand that point of view ... 417 00: 25: 40,281 --> 00: 25: 42,581 ... and I only remember him thinking ... 418 00: 25: 42,681 --> 00: 25: 46,301 ... how much focus he learned at college ... 419 00: 25: 46,401 --> 00: 25: 49,581 ... and maybe not build social network... 420 00: 25: 49,681 --> 00: 25: 52,981 ... which he was looking for during college. 421 00: 25: 53,081 --> 00: 25: 58,561 But as far as we see each of us ... 422 00: 25: 59,441 --> 00: 26: 03,381 ... I think we have strong desire... 423 00: 26: 03,481 --> 00: 26: 06,041 ... to control our destiny. 424 00: 26: 06,161 --> 00: 26: 09,941 An example is when he started his book company. Fully natural. 425 00: 26: 10,041 --> 00: 26: 13,201 Not something I questioned, where many people ... 426 00: 26: 13,321 --> 00: 26: 17,201 ... won't start their own business. But for Ross, of course. Why not? 427 00: 26: 17,401 --> 00: 26: 21,021 But his business staggered and Ross finally closed it. 428 00: 26: 21,121 --> 00: 26: 24,101 And posts on the page LinkedIn is an indication ... 429 00: 26: 24,201 --> 00: 26: 28,381 ... that Ross got enlightenment will be the next trip. 430 00: 26: 28,481 --> 00: 26: 31,361 Ulbricht writes, "Now my goal has changed." 431 00: 26: 31,481 --> 00: 26: 35,001 "I want to use economic theory as means to stop coercion ... " 432 00: 26: 35,121 --> 00: 26: 37,301 "... and violence between humans." 433 00: 26: 37,401 --> 00: 26: 40,341 "So, I created an economic simulation ..." 434 00: 26: 40,441 --> 00: 26: 42,681 "... to give first experience ..." 435 00: 26: 42,801 --> 00: 26: 46,601 "... will live in a world without systematic strength. " 436 00: 26: 47,041 --> 00: 26: 51,181 Since then, in 2010, Ross becomes free-spirited ... 437 00: 26: 51,281 --> 00: 26: 53,541 ...leaving home his parents in Austin ... 438 00: 26: 53,641 --> 00: 26: 56,220 ... to live with her brother Callie in Sydney, Australia ... 439 00: 26: 56,320 --> 00: 26: 58,460 ... and then come back briefly to Austin. 440 00: 26: 58,560 --> 00: 27: 01,020 Throughout this period, whose family knows ... 441 00: 27: 01,120 --> 00: 27: 05,940 ... Ross is a freelance worker computer finance. 442 00: 27: 06,040 --> 00: 27: 09,140 I'm Rene Pinnell, 29 years old. 443 00: 27: 09,240 --> 00: 27: 11,860 Today is December 6, 2012 ... 444 00: 27: 11,960 --> 00: 27: 15,700 ... and we are on Jewish Contemporary Art Museum ... 445 00: 27: 15,800 --> 00: 27: 21,160 ... and relationships with colleagues as a friend. 446 00: 27: 22,160 --> 00: 27: 25,200 So, Ross, how can you live in San Francisco? 447 00: 27: 25,840 --> 00: 27: 28,860 You forced me to say, 448 00: 27: 28,960 --> 00: 27: 31,480 ... "Alright, I'm coming." 449 00: 27: 31,880 --> 00: 27: 34,500 I got a call from Rene, "Ross, call me." 450 00: 27: 34,600 --> 00: 27: 37,140 "I have a chance for you." I replied, "Alright." 451 00: 27: 37,240 --> 00: 27: 41,380 She says, "I started a company in San Francisco." 452 00: 27: 41,480 --> 00: 27: 42,740 "I want you to take part." 453 00: 27: 42,840 --> 00: 27: 45,260 The more I think about it, he is also getting ... 454 00: 27: 45,360 --> 00: 27: 48,120 ... explain the pros and cons ... 455 00: 27: 49,720 --> 00: 27: 53,240 ... and all seems to be cosmic and the right thing to do. 456 00: 27: 53,360 --> 00: 27: 55,780 So, yes. 457 00: 27: 55,880 --> 00: 27: 59,920 I bought a ticket and two weeks later, I'm on the door. 458 00: 28: 00,200 --> 00: 28: 03,900 In the course of Ross Ulbricht from Australia to Austin ... 459 00: 28: 04,000 --> 00: 28: 05,580 ... to San Francisco ... 460 00: 28: 05,680 --> 00: 28: 08,380 ... Silk Road is online too and continues to grow. 461 00: 28: 08,480 --> 00: 28: 11,320 So it attracts attention federal law enforcement ... 462 00: 28: 11,440 --> 00: 28: 15,960 ... and the Department of Homeland Security called Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), ... 463 00: 28: 16,080 --> 00: 28: 19,540 ... office centered customs clearance in Baltimore, Maryland. 464 00: 28: 19,640 --> 00: 28: 24,600 You have a postal inspector in Seattle and Customs and Border Protection ... 465 00: 28: 24,720 --> 00: 28: 28,140 ... intercepting incoming shipments from abroad filled with drugs ... 466 00: 28: 28,240 --> 00: 28: 30,340 ... full of currency. 467 00: 28: 30,440 --> 00: 28: 34,480 And in the end they are all leads back to Silk Road. 468 00: 28: 35,040 --> 00: 28: 38,840 And you have a few own inquiry ... 469 00: 28: 38,960 --> 00: 28: 42,080 ... which is at the same time ... 470 00: 28: 42,200 --> 00: 28: 45,800 ... follow different instructions, but all returned to the same place. 471 00: 28: 46,040 --> 00: 28: 49,720 At the same time, Division FBI Cyber ​​Crime in New York ... 472 00: 28: 49,840 --> 00: 28: 53,560 ... start their own investigation, led by Agent Chris Tarbell. 473 00: 28: 53,680 --> 00: 28: 56,660 Basically they are always online ... 474 00: 28: 56,760 --> 00: 28: 59,920 ... as part of the team who monitors, collects ... 475 00: 29: 00,040 --> 00: 29: 01,920 ... even though there is only a small amount of evidence. 476 00: 29: 02,040 --> 00: 29: 03,800 The informant is activated. 477 00: 29: 03,920 --> 00: 29: 07,320 Site infiltrated by law enforcement posing as a seller and buyer ... 478 00: 29: 07,440 --> 00: 29: 10,720 ... since the beginning of Silk Road's existence. 479 00: 29: 10,840 --> 00: 29: 16,880 In 2012, the HSI collaborated FBI investigators Tarbell and also DEA ... 480 00: 29: 17,000 --> 00: 29: 20,180 ... to compile a covert operation called "Marco Polo" ... 481 00: 29: 20,280 --> 00: 29: 24,100 ... for the purpose penetrate the inside of Silk Road. 482 00: 29: 24,200 --> 00: 29: 28,600 In January 2012, my package was confiscated in China and I don't think of anything. 483 00: 29: 28,720 --> 00: 29: 31,900 I keep on doing business, which is a stupid step. 484 00: 29: 32,000 --> 00: 29: 34,260 Then on June 28, 2012 ... 485 00: 29: 34,360 --> 00: 29: 39,040 ... I was raided by ATF, DEA, Secret Service, and local Police ... 486 00: 29: 39,160 --> 00: 29: 41,039 ... and even postal inspectors. 487 00: 29: 41,159 --> 00: 29: 42,299 I'm not detained. 488 00: 29: 42,399 --> 00: 29: 47,239 Instead, I was put in the van they call "investigative prisoners." 489 00: 29: 47,359 --> 00: 29: 49,879 They keep me from prison. I have never been recorded or charged ... 490 00: 29: 49,999 --> 00: 29: 53,839 ... because my computer is more useful if I'm not jailed. 491 00: 29: 53,959 --> 00: 29: 56,399 I guess they did this to some other Silk Road sellers ... 492 00: 29: 56,519 --> 00: 29: 59,339 ... to get some kind organized crime circle. 493 00: 29: 59,439 --> 00: 30: 01,179 The operation is more interesting ... 494 00: 30: 01,279 --> 00:30: 04,139 ... when a secret agent use the name "nob" seller ... 495 00: 30: 04,239 --> 00: 30: 08,819 ... who directly communicates with Pirate Roberts Dread ... 496 00: 30: 08,919 --> 00: 30: 11,299 ... which leads to shocking event. 497 00: 30: 11,399 --> 00: 30: 16,439 Nob complains to the DPR about the small the nature of the offer on Silk Road. 498 00: 30: 16,559 --> 00: 30: 20,319 "It's not worth it if it's just selling under 10 kilos, "wrote the agent. 499 00: 30: 20,439 --> 00: 30: 22,979 DPR offers to looking for buyers for nob ... 500 00: 30: 23,079 --> 00: 30: 27,259 ... and allegedly turned to one of his colleagues believed to be named "chronicpain" ... 501 00: 30: 27,359 --> 00: 30: 28,899 ... to make a deal. 502 00: 30: 28,999 --> 00: 30: 31,319 Chronicpain has become the core admin ... 503 00: 30: 31,439 --> 00: 30: 32,919 ... from Silk Road from the start, ... 504 00: 30: 33,039 --> 00: 30: 36,339 ... forum contributors who share vision of Silk Road ... 505 00: 30: 36,439 --> 00: 30: 40,679 ... to reduce the dangers of drug trafficking. But this calm day will end. 506 00: 30: 41,159 --> 00: 30: 43,299 To facilitate this drug transaction ... 507 00: 30: 43,399 --> 00: 30: 46,739 ... chronicpain tells the address to the informant. 508 00: 30: 46,839 --> 00: 30: 51,059 Federal agents immediately arrest chronicpain at his home in Salt Lake City ... 509 00: 30: 51,159 --> 00: 30: 54,959 ... and was surprised to find that 47-year-old male family ... 510 00: 30: 55,079 --> 00: 30: 58,659 ... named Curtis Clark Green is the villain Dark Net. 511 00: 30: 58,759 --> 00: 31: 00,319 They will catch one of those people. 512 00: 31: 00,439 --> 00: 31: 02,079 And what do you do in ordinary drug cases? 513 00: 31: 02,199 --> 00: 31: 04,599 You change that person become a cooperative witness. 514 00: 31: 04,719 --> 00: 31: 07,779 And in this case, one of them is lucky ... 515 00: 31: 07,879 --> 00: 31: 09,939 ... and he is the system admin. 516 00: 31: 10,039 --> 00: 31: 14,259 Green has access to a user account Other Silk Road and financial records ... 517 00: 31: 14,359 --> 00: 31: 16,099 ... including the Pirate Roberts Dread. 518 00: 31: 16,199 --> 00: 31: 20,659 "He will open his mouth", The DPR writes to Nob, the secret agent. 519 00: 31: 20,759 --> 00: 31: 24,439 "I want him to be killed". Then the next day, he allegedly wrote ... 520 00: 31: 24,559 --> 00: 31: 27,799 "Can you change the job from torture becomes murder? " 521 00: 31: 27,919 --> 00: 31: 32,739 Murder carried out and photos from Green's body sent to the DPR ... 522 00: 31: 32,839 --> 00: 31: 35,219 ... who pays via Bitcoin. 523 00: 31: 35,319 --> 00: 31: 37,919 There are five more guesses Hire Murder ... 524 00: 31: 38,039 --> 00: 31: 41,299 ... including the murder order blackmailer, cheater, ... 525 00: 31: 41,399 --> 00: 31: 44,319 ... and contract with Hells Angels. 526 00: 31: 44,439 --> 00: 31: 47,799 The names of these two victims apparently only fictitious. 527 00: 31: 47,919 --> 00: 31: 51,619 And the authorities did not find evidence other murders. 528 00: 31: 51,719 --> 00: 31: 54,739 Alleged murder of Curtis Green allow authorities ... 529 00: 31: 54,839 --> 00: 31: 57,779 ... to charge the Pirate Roberts Dread. 530 00: 31: 57,879 --> 00: 32: 02,579 Demanding it with drug offenses, witness killings, and murder murders. 531 00: 32: 02,679 --> 00: 32: 06,999 Of course, they still don't know who's the Pirate Roberts Dread. 532 00: 32: 07,119 --> 00: 32: 09,919 So the secret agent continues communicate with the DPR ... 533 00: 32: 10,039 --> 00: 32: 12,679 ... and the House continues to respond. 534 00: 32: 14,639 --> 00: 32: 19,639 In June 2013, Ross moved to an apartment which he found on Craigslist. 535 00: 32: 19,759 --> 00: 32: 24,579 He allegedly did not tell his real name and known as Joshua Terrey. 536 00: 32: 24,679 --> 00: 32: 29,478 At the same time, IRS agent Gary Alford investigate Silk Road ... 537 00: 32: 29,598 --> 00: 32: 33,058 ... and through Google search find email ... 538 00: 32: 33,158 --> 00: 32: 37,138 ... on the Internet that discusses Silk Road market launch ... 539 00: 32: 37,238 --> 00: 32: 41,778 ... and connect the email with Ross Ulbricht account. 540 00: 32: 41,878 --> 00: 32: 44,718 A month later postal inspector at the border of Kanadia ... 541 00: 32: 44,838 --> 00: 32: 48,238 ... confiscating a package of fake KTP with pictures of Ross ... 542 00: 32: 48,358 --> 00: 32: 50,878 ... which directs to his home address. 543 00: 32: 52,158 --> 00: 32: 56,438 Ross was visited at his apartment by several DHS agents. 544 00: 32: 56,558 --> 00: 32: 59,418 Agent shows Fake California SIM on Ross ... 545 00: 32: 59,518 --> 00: 33: 01,858 ... who showed me the picture with a different name. 546 00: 33: 01,958 --> 00: 33: 05,278 Ulbricht denies ownership of fake KTP ... 547 00: 33: 05,398 --> 00: 33: 07,998 ... and agents leave. 548 00: 33: 08,758 --> 00: 33: 11,938 If you suspect someone is involved in ... 549 00: 33: 12,038 --> 00: 33: 13,778 ... large scale criminal company ... 550 00: 33: 13,878 --> 00: 33: 16,338 ... you go and knock on the door with some... 551 00: 33: 16,438 --> 00: 33: 19,838 ... proof of fake KTP, it's important ... 552 00: 33: 19,958 --> 00: 33: 22,778 ... because you can see the person directly. 553 00: 33: 22,878 --> 00: 33: 25,818 You might get information useful from question and answer. 554 00: 33: 25,918 --> 00: 33: 28,318 You might catch it directly or not. 555 00: 33: 28,438 --> 00: 33: 31,698 Let's sit back and go after this ... 556 00: 33: 31,798 --> 00: 33: 35,618 ... and there are still many other ways ... 557 00: 33: 35,718 --> 00: 33: 38,898 ... because it's still there much more than just ... 558 00: 33: 38,998 --> 00: 33: 40,658 ... fake ID card. 559 00: 33: 40,758 --> 00: 33: 42,278 The next big break in the case ... 560 00: 33: 42,398 --> 00: 33: 46,198 ... obtained by FBI agent Tarbell and the Cyber ​​Crime team ... 561 00: 33: 46,318 --> 00: 33: 50,358 ... who somehow got the location Silk Road servers in Germany and Iceland. 562 00: 33: 50,478 --> 00: 33: 53,978 How about this hidden server found still a controversy ... 563 00: 33: 54,078 --> 00: 33: 57,538 ... but the FBI has its own copy from the Silk Road server ... 564 00: 33: 57,638 --> 00: 34: 01,498 ... and finally they hope to open cover of Pirate Roberts Dread. 565 00: 34: 01,598 --> 00: 34: 04,038 I admit there is a gap in the settings. 566 00: 34: 04,158 --> 00: 34: 06,198 I can't handle it. 567 00: 34: 06,318 --> 00: 34: 09,418 But there is a gap and I contacted my colleague and said ... 568 00: 34: 09,518 --> 00: 34: 11,538 "There's a gap. We have a little time." 569 00: 34: 11,638 --> 00: 34: 13,758 "We have to take the money and then run away." 570 00: 34: 14,118 --> 00: 34: 17,958 For a year, a DHS agent from Chicago ... 571 00: 34: 18,078 --> 00: 34: 21,378 ... named Jared Der-Yeghiayan has been put on Silk Road ... 572 00: 34: 21,478 --> 00: 34: 25,238 ... now disguised as moderator named "Cirrus". 573 00: 34: 25,358 --> 00: 34: 28,598 With two proofs linking Ross over the launch of Silk Road ... 574 00: 34: 28,718 --> 00: 34: 34,078 ... and a fake ID card incident, Ross is the main suspect. 575 00: 34: 34,398 --> 00: 34: 38,858 On October 1 in a coordinated effort between Der-Yeghiayan from DHS ... 576 00: 34: 38,958 --> 00: 34: 42,818 ... and FBI Tarbell troops, an operation is carried out. 577 00: 34: 42,918 --> 00: 34: 47,418 According to Der-Yeghiayan's testimony, he spied on Ross's new residence. 578 00: 34: 47,518 --> 00: 34: 49,538 By using cirrus pseudonym ... 579 00: 34: 49,638 --> 00: 34: 53,758 ... Der-Yeghiayan starts a conversation with the DPR on Silk Road. 580 00: 34: 53,878 --> 00: 34: 56,918 A few moments later, Ross goes to the Glen Park Library ... 581 00: 34: 57,038 --> 00: 34: 58,898 ... to use their Wi-Fi. 582 00: 34: 58,998 --> 00: 35: 02,978 And when Der-Yeghiayan saw the DPR re-enter Silk Road ... 583 00: 35: 03,078 --> 00: 35: 06,298 ... he told Tarbell and his troops to move in. 584 00: 35: 06,398 --> 00: 35: 09,118 It's the excitement You can't buy it on Silk Road. 585 00: 35: 09,238 --> 00: 35: 11,678 All drugs you bought there, you ... 586 00: 35: 11,798 --> 00: 35: 15,357 The pleasure is not the same by catching it. Adrenaline. 587 00: 35: 15,837 --> 00: 35: 18,817 Ross was arrested before he had time to lock his laptop. 588 00: 35: 18,917 --> 00: 35: 21,817 He allegedly entered Silk Road administration panel ... 589 00: 35: 21,917 --> 00: 35: 24,897 ... for customers requires the attention of the DPR. 590 00: 35: 24,997 --> 00: 35: 29,277 He is the dream of another user, because he is very good ... 591 00: 35: 29,397 --> 00: 35: 34,237 ... and he can hide the website that he built ... 592 00: 35: 34,357 --> 00: 35: 37,817 ... and real sales illegal drugs... 593 00: 35: 37,917 --> 00: 35: 41,677 ... sold by drug dealers on the website. 594 00: 35: 41,957 --> 00: 35: 45,077 Silk Road was confiscated, closed, and the charges were announced ... 595 00: 35: 45,197 --> 00: 35: 48,397 ... for several core colleagues and seller on the site. 596 00: 35: 48,757 --> 00: 35: 51,517 Ross was held for a month in prison in Oakland ... 597 00: 35: 51,637 --> 00: 35: 53,557 ... waiting for extradition to New York. 598 00: 35: 54,037 --> 00: 35: 57,717 The Ross family managed to collect more than one million dollars for collateral. 599 00: 35: 57,917 --> 00: 36: 01,977 But the claimant argues because alleged rental of murder ... 600 00: 36: 02,077 --> 00: 36: 06,357 Ross is too dangerous to release. So the guarantee is rejected. 601 00: 36: 06,477 --> 00: 36: 08,017 I think that's a wrong decision. 602 00: 36: 08,117 --> 00: 36: 10,337 He is not risky and he has never ... 603 00: 36: 10,437 --> 00: 36: 12,257 ... dangerous for anyone. 604 00: 36: 12,357 --> 00: 36: 18,317 For him to say, "I will kill someone ". That's ridiculous. 605 00: 36: 18,437 --> 00: 36: 23,077 I don't understand one of these DPR ... 606 00: 36: 23,637 --> 00: 36: 27,737 ... being selfish, crazy, and maniac ... 607 00: 36: 27,837 --> 00: 36: 31,237 ... and do all that. 608 00: 36: 31,357 --> 00: 36: 34,857 There are more than one person who uses a DPR account? 609 00: 36: 34,957 --> 00: 36: 41,697 I'm sure there are at least two people, or three. 610 00: 36: 41,797 --> 00: 36: 47,517 That doesn't matter. That's why they dig this. 611 00: 36: 48,397 --> 00: 36: 51,077 Bullshit contract. 612 00: 36: 51,197 --> 00: 36: 54,957 But because of involvement senate members and ... 613 00: 36: 55,917 --> 00: 36: 58,197 ... all that crap, they will finish him. 614 00: 36: 58,837 --> 00: 37: 03,157 Data taken from Silk Road server including all private messages ... 615 00: 37: 03,277 --> 00: 37: 06,797 ... reveals that many people who runs the site. 616 00: 37: 07,157 --> 00: 37: 09,377 One seller with a username "Variety Jones" ... 617 00: 37: 09,477 --> 00: 37: 12,177 ... has been active since the beginning of Silk Road. 618 00: 37: 12,277 --> 00: 37: 15,037 Jones gave many orders to run Silk Road ... 619 00: 37: 15,157 --> 00: 37: 20,677 ... even assigns a system admin to make the figure of the Pirate Roberts Dread. 620 00: 37: 20,997 --> 00: 37: 25,637 But Ross Ulbricht remains became the main focus of the investigation. 621 00: 37: 25,997 --> 00: 37: 28,437 Ross has been jailed for over a year ... 622 00: 37: 28,557 --> 00: 37: 32,157 ... at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, waiting for a trial. 623 00: 37: 32,277 --> 00: 37: 35,557 Six weeks at that time, he was in solitary confinement. 624 00: 37: 35,677 --> 00: 37: 39,757 Ross pleaded not guilty and denied being the Pirate Roberts Dread. 625 00: 37: 39,877 --> 00: 37: 44,417 The court is set on November 10, 2014 in New York. 626 00: 37: 44,517 --> 00: 37: 48,417 If found guilty, Ross faces minimum sentence of 30 years ... 627 00: 37: 48,517 --> 00: 37: 52,197 ... with a maximum sentence for life in prison. 628 00: 37: 52,357 --> 00: 37: 54,557 Are you recording? 629 00: 37: 55,037 --> 00: 37: 57,597 - Should we... - He is hairy. 630 00: 37: 57,717 --> 00: 38: 00,416 Men today aren't too ... 631 00: 38: 00,516 --> 00: 38: 02,956 I will take it off. 632 00: 38: 03,076 --> 00: 38: 04,056 Where is he? 633 00: 38: 04,156 --> 00: 38: 06,876 This is difficult. Difficult for family. 634 00: 38: 06,996 --> 00: 38: 09,756 Really, especially when You really love that person ... 635 00: 38: 09,876 --> 00: 38: 11,456 ... and you trust them ... 636 00: 38: 11,556 --> 00: 38: 14,876 ... and you have an opponent Very large. 637 00: 38: 14,996 --> 00: 38: 17,396 It's challenging. 638 00: 38: 17,556 --> 00: 38: 20,736 It's like death when you think, "That can't be true" ... 639 00: 38: 20,836 --> 00: 38: 22,716 ... then finally you, "Yes, that's right." 640 00: 38: 22,836 --> 00: 38: 25,056 And you passed that surprise. 641 00: 38: 25,156 --> 00: 38: 26,836 His father, my husband ... 642 00: 38: 26,996 --> 00: 38: 29,816 ... he tried to run a business so we have a livelihood. 643 00: 38: 29,916 --> 00: 38: 32,816 And her sister is in Australia ... 644 00: 38: 32,916 --> 00: 38: 34,736 ... and he also helped from there. 645 00: 38: 34,836 --> 00: 38: 36,476 I'm Ross's sister and I can say ... 646 00: 38: 36,596 --> 00: 38: 39,796 ... he is a man who keeps his promises and respect for his life. 647 00: 38: 39,916 --> 00: 38: 43,956 I was surprised to hear his arrest, but I feel more disappointed ... 648 00: 38: 44,076 --> 00: 38: 47,756 ... with media writing don't even know him. 649 00: 38: 49,316 --> 00: 38: 52,996 I read people's writings who doesn't know who Ross is. 650 00: 38: 55,276 --> 00: 38: 58,656 He has been tried and convicted in the media. 651 00: 38: 58,756 --> 00: 39: 01,236 Nothing is proven. 652 00: 39: 01,556 --> 00: 39: 03,796 I don't know what happened with presumption of innocence in this country ... 653 00: 39: 03,916 --> 00: 39: 08,156 ... but this is up to constitutional rights the guilty person was proven guilty. 654 00: 39: 08,276 --> 00: 39: 11,956 Ross sent a picture of him a week ago. 655 00: 39: 12,076 --> 00: 39: 14,876 Some of the photos were taken last week in prison. 656 00: 39: 14,996 --> 00: 39: 18,336 I guess they go around and take photos for the family. 657 00: 39: 18,436 --> 00: 39: 20,416 He is healthy ... 658 00: 39: 20,516 --> 00: 39: 24,456 ... as expected. 659 00: 39: 24,556 --> 00: 39: 27,856 And finally, after five months of delay ... 660 00: 39: 27,956 --> 00: 39: 32,736 ... he has access to examine the evidence that the prosecutor has. 661 00: 39: 32,836 --> 00: 39: 35,616 And he researched very hard. 662 00: 39: 35,716 --> 00: 39: 37,936 We asked the prosecutor ... 663 00: 39: 38,036 --> 00: 39: 41,636 "How did you find the server," and they said nothing. 664 00: 39: 42,116 --> 00: 39: 43,976 We must know how they found the server ... 665 00: 39: 44,076 --> 00: 39: 47,696 ... to see if Ross's Fourth Amendment was violated. 666 00: 39: 47,796 --> 00: 39: 51,796 And who knows has the evidence been destroyed ... 667 00: 39: 51,916 --> 00: 39: 55,516 ... if they don't reveal how to find a server? 668 00: 39: 55,636 --> 00: 39: 58,896 There are 14 searches and confiscation in the case ... 669 00: 39: 58,996 --> 00: 40: 02,496 ... which one is careless search ... 670 00: 40: 02,596 --> 00: 40: 05,456 ... to someone's property. 671 00: 40: 05,556 --> 00: 40: 09,076 Rummaging through everything they saw. 672 00: 40: 09,236 --> 00: 40: 12,216 When the first criminal complaint appeared in October ... 673 00: 40: 12,316 --> 00: 40: 15,316 ... I think supporters Dread Pirate Roberts ... 674 00: 40: 15,436 --> 00: 40: 17,216 ... and Silk Road is expanding. 675 00: 40: 17,316 --> 00: 40: 20,916 Because of the community this idealistic look ... 676 00: 40: 21,036 --> 00: 40: 25,536 ... built without violence and libertarian free trade ... 677 00: 40: 25,636 --> 00: 40: 28,656 ... suddenly seemed to be criminal conspiracy. 678 00: 40: 28,756 --> 00: 40: 34,296 And the man in it will be kind of ... 679 00: 40: 34,396 --> 00: 40: 36,196 ... political controversy ... 680 00: 40: 36,316 --> 00: 40: 40,056 ... who has supporters voicing his freedom ... 681 00: 40: 40,156 --> 00: 40: 44,095 ... instead treated as community waste. 682 00: 40: 44,195 --> 00: 40: 45,435 He is considered a criminal. 683 00: 40: 45,555 --> 00: 40: 49,575 There is a lot of evidence ... 684 00: 40: 49,675 --> 00: 40: 51,855 ... suspicious, if you say that. 685 00: 40: 51,955 --> 00: 40: 54,775 There are many sheets and pieces involved. 686 00: 40: 54,875 --> 00: 40: 56,815 Everyone is getting crazy. 687 00: 40: 56,915 --> 00: 40: 59,635 This is breaking down this online drug market. 688 00: 40: 59,755 --> 00: 41: 03,135 Other things that are the cause is Leasing Murder. 689 00: 41: 03,235 --> 00: 41: 05,055 Looks absurd. 690 00: 41: 05,155 --> 00: 41: 08,775 29-year-old entrepreneur this neat look ... 691 00: 41: 08,875 --> 00: 41: 12,115 ... run a secret life as a digital drug kingpin. 692 00: 41: 12,235 --> 00: 41: 15,415 They claim that he lives like a cartel. 693 00: 41: 15,515 --> 00: 41: 18,235 The difference between Ross Ulbricht and cartel ... 694 00: 41: 18,355 --> 00: 41: 22,555 You don't need to watch a lot of movies to see the differences. 695 00: 41: 22,835 --> 00: 41: 25,115 Then when the charges come out ... 696 00: 41: 25,235 --> 00: 41: 29,055 ... suddenly there were no charges for this Murder Rental. 697 00: 41: 29,155 --> 00: 41: 33,295 There is only drug trafficking, money laundering and hacking. 698 00: 41: 33,395 --> 00: 41: 38,075 They have six charges and use them to keep him from guarantee ... 699 00: 41: 38,195 --> 00: 41: 42,655 ... but two and a half months later, the claimant does not charge him. 700 00: 41: 42.755 --> 00: 41: 46,615 They call what they do as "Crime without Charges." 701 00: 41: 46,715 --> 00: 41: 49,135 If something is considered a crime, won't you charge him? 702 00: 41: 49,235 --> 00: 41: 52,415 And if it's not a crime, why was he arrested? 703 00: 41: 52,515 --> 00: 41: 54,835 Because it's detrimental to the jury ... 704 00: 41: 54,955 --> 00: 41: 59,755 ... by just sitting there without proof. 705 00: 42: 00,315 --> 00: 42: 05,135 The description they want is someone they can ... 706 00: 42: 05,235 --> 00: 42: 07,675 ... present to the jury without opportunity to be free. 707 00: 42: 07,795 --> 00: 42: 10,775 That's a way to poison the atmosphere ... 708 00: 42: 10,875 --> 00: 42: 14,575 ... so the jury doesn't focus on the charges ... 709 00: 42: 14,675 --> 00: 42: 17,755 ... but focusing on the atmosphere made by the government ... 710 00: 42: 17,875 --> 00: 42: 20,955 ... which is a diversion emotional aspects. 711 00: 42: 21,075 --> 00: 42: 25,335 So if the evidence is weak, profit will not be to the defendant ... 712 00: 42: 25,435 --> 00: 42: 27,555 ... in its place, under the presumption of innocence ... 713 00: 42: 27,675 --> 00: 42: 31,295 ... but returned to the government because there are bad things lurking out there ... 714 00: 42: 31,395 --> 00: 42: 32,955 ... which is not part of the court. 715 00: 42: 33,075 --> 00: 42: 34,875 The government does not need to prove it principle of proof ... 716 00: 42: 34,995 --> 00: 42: 36,615 ... but they have included it in the case of... 717 00: 42: 36,715 --> 00: 42: 40,815 ... in a poisonous way to balanced evaluation ... 718 00: 42: 40,915 --> 00: 42: 42,815 ... from evidence of evil charged. 719 00: 42: 42,915 --> 00: 42: 46,835 So the ideas of people are formed and it's halfway so the defendant is guilty. 720 00: 42: 46,955 --> 00: 42: 51,615 Previously, Murder Rentals existed there as the last charge was dropped. 721 00: 42: 51,715 --> 00: 42: 53,335 But that doesn't disappear. 722 00: 42: 53,435 --> 00: 42: 56,115 That is included in what is they call real action ... 723 00: 42: 56,235 --> 00: 42: 59,635 ... in conspiracy and to sell drugs. 724 00: 42: 59,755 --> 00: 43: 03,575 So they made it as one of support ... 725 00: 43: 03,675 --> 00: 43: 05,595 ... for drug conspiracies the greater one... 726 00: 43: 05,755 --> 00: 43: 08,915 ... to hold a court or make him confess. 727 00: 43: 09,035 --> 00: 43: 12,235 Looks bait and switch who was charged by the government ... 728 00: 43: 12,355 --> 00: 43: 15,755 ... in the indictment this murder was done ... 729 00: 43: 15,875 --> 00: 43: 19,735 ... so that when he is accused of crime without this violence ... 730 00: 43: 19,835 --> 00: 43: 22,255 ... he still looks like violent criminals. 731 00: 43: 22,355 --> 00: 43: 24,915 I think it's really effective ... 732 00: 43: 25,035 --> 00: 43: 28,435 ... in describing stories Ross Ulbricht. 733 00: 43: 31,114 --> 00: 43: 32,854 Since the arrest of Ross ... 734 00: 43: 32,954 --> 00: 43: 36,714 ... he and his best friend Rene Pinnell keep communicating with each other. 735 00: 43: 37,074 --> 00: 43: 39,874 Rene refused to give real interview on the press ... 736 00: 43: 39,994 --> 00: 43: 42,874 ... for fear of being used for fight Ross in court ... 737 00: 43: 42,994 --> 00: 43: 45,994 ... but agreed to answer via email. 738 00: 43: 46,019 --> 00: 43: 48,019 When and where the first time did you meet Ross? 739 00: 43: 48,044 --> 00: 43: 52,644 I met during middle school. We are in one group of exiles. 740 00: 43: 52,700 --> 00: 43: 54,900 What is Ross like in high school? 741 00: 43: 54,994 --> 00: 43: 59,094 He never said cruel. He is someone who easily accepts other people. 742 00: 43: 59,119 --> 00: 44: 01,919 What is your reaction to his arrest? 743 00: 44: 02,000 --> 00: 44: 04,100 Sad. Don't believe it. 744 00: 44: 04,129 --> 00: 44: 07,029 Like what you see the development of the story? 745 00: 44: 07,100 --> 00: 44: 09,600 Actually I tried to avoid it. That makes me depressed. 746 00: 44: 09,619 --> 00: 44: 11,719 Ross calls me once a month and we talked for 15 minutes. 747 00: 44: 11,744 --> 00: 44: 14,644 That's all I need. I don't want to read the case. 748 00: 44: 14,669 --> 00: 44: 17,669 So did the murder charges, all who know Ross know it's crazy. 749 00: 44: 17,694 --> 00: 44: 21,794 I don't think he did what the government charged. 750 00: 44: 42,514 --> 00: 44: 44,474 Because of the severity of the charges ... 751 00: 44: 44,594 --> 00: 44: 47,574 ... Ross is not permitted interview from prison ... 752 00: 44: 47,674 --> 00: 44: 51,574 ... which only leaves photos and videos of him. 753 00: 44: 51,674 --> 00: 44: 54,654 But from deep discussion with friends and family ... 754 00: 44: 54,754 --> 00: 44: 57,214 ... and public knowledge about the trace of Ross's life ... 755 00: 44: 57,314 --> 00: 45: 01,754 ... from the Department of Physics and Engineering to running a small book company ... 756 00: 45: 01,874 --> 00: 45: 05,514 ... it's hard to understand how it works he became the only puppeteer ... 757 00: 45: 05,634 --> 00:45: 08,914 ... behind Silk Road, Internet services are extensive and complex ... 758 00: 45: 09,034 --> 00: 45: 11,994 ... with millions of users all over the world. 759 00: 45: 12,114 --> 00: 45: 14,574 Ross has a deep interest ... 760 00: 45: 14,674 --> 00: 45: 18,674 ... on libertarian economic theory, which echoes the mandate and philosophy ... 761 00: 45: 18,794 --> 00: 45: 21,434 ... from many posts that were distributed Pirate Roberts Dread. 762 00: 45: 21,554 --> 00: 45: 24,474 But he has no knowledge in computer coding ... 763 00: 45: 24,594 --> 00: 45: 26,774 ... or develop internet company. 764 00: 45: 26,874 --> 00: 45: 29,614 So how is Ross connected with little known ... 765 00: 45: 29,714 --> 00: 45: 31,794 ... about Dread Pirate Roberts? 766 00: 45: 32,274 --> 00: 45: 35,274 DPR is motivated by philosophy of peace ... 767 00: 45: 35,474 --> 00: 45: 39,934 ... and plans to create drug trafficking without danger. 768 00: 45: 40,034 --> 00: 45: 44,314 This spirit is embraced by architects and traders on Silk Road ... 769 00: 45: 44,434 --> 00: 45: 47,214 ... and echo throughout the community. 770 00: 45: 47,314 --> 00: 45: 49,734 I don't sell my stuff in some people ... 771 00: 45: 49,834 --> 00: 45: 55,234 ... because I know them not mature enough to ... 772 00: 45: 55,354 --> 00: 46: 00,274 ... use this medicine and don't know it yet. It's like, "Read first ..." 773 00: 46: 00,394 --> 00: 46: 05,134 "... think about it then come back again and I'll sell you something ... " 774 00: 46: 05,234 --> 00: 46: 09,394 "... but I won't take it your virginity and kill you. " 775 00: 46: 09,514 --> 00: 46: 13,954 Especially the heroin I sell carefully because ... 776 00: 46: 14,594 --> 00: 46: 19,113 ... nothing matches him. That's the best heroin on Silk Road. 777 00: 46: 19,673 --> 00: 46: 22,133 Silk Road seemed to be successful trial ... 778 00: 46: 22,233 --> 00: 46: 24,213 ... in creating a peaceful community ... 779 00: 46: 24,313 --> 00: 46: 27,433 ... supervised by dolls with deep-rooted ideology. 780 00: 46: 27,713 --> 00: 46: 30,173 But the basic idealism of This Pirate Roberts Dread ... 781 00: 46: 30,273 --> 00: 46: 33,193 ... very contrary to indictment of Leasing Murder. 782 00: 46: 33,473 --> 00: 46: 35,133 Did the DPR become damaged ... 783 00: 46: 35,233 --> 00: 46: 39,513 ... and turn away from the anti-violence mandate and harm reduction? 784 00: 46: 39,633 --> 00: 46: 42,253 Are there other people use the DPR account ... 785 00: 46: 42,353 --> 00: 46: 44,673 ...responsible for this action? 786 00: 46: 44,873 --> 00: 46: 46,613 Or is there another truth ... 787 00: 46: 46,713 --> 00: 46: 51,633 ... behind charges of murder without this victim? 788 00: 46: 58,513 --> 00: 47: 00,793 We don't know the first piece of evidence ... 789 00: 47: 00,913 --> 00: 47: 05,173 ... who brought the FBI to in this investigation chain ... 790 00: 47: 05,273 --> 00: 47: 10,133 ... to the San Francisco library where Ross Ulbricht is detained. 791 00: 47: 10,233 --> 00: 47: 13,533 What we know suddenly is them find the location of the Silk Road server ... 792 00: 47: 13,633 --> 00: 47: 16,893 ... in the data center in Iceland and confiscate them. 793 00: 47: 16,993 --> 00: 47: 20,793 They copy all data and confiscating that data ... 794 00: 47: 20,913 --> 00: 47: 22,833 ... but we don't know how they found that server. 795 00: 47: 22,953 --> 00: 47: 26,673 The whole idea of ​​Silk Road is the site run with hidden Tor server ... 796 00: 47: 26,793 --> 00: 47: 29,533 ... which means Tor protect the physical location of the server ... 797 00: 47: 29,633 --> 00: 47: 33,053 ... and make searching difficult the computer that runs it. 798 00: 47: 33,153 --> 00: 47: 38,973 So the mystery of how the FBI is, or DEA, or NSA ... 799 00: 47: 39,073 --> 00: 47: 41,613 ... find the server's location still unanswered ... 800 00: 47: 41,713 --> 00: 47: 45,133 ... and in fact, it's still not mentioned in legal documents ... 801 00: 47: 45,233 --> 00: 47: 47,773 ... in Ross Ulbricht's trial. 802 00: 47: 47,873 --> 00: 47: 50,173 I think his defense makes ... 803 00: 47: 50,273 --> 00: 47: 52,853 ... something that is government don't want to talk about. 804 00: 47: 52,953 --> 00: 47: 58,173 And if that's why, it will raised the issue of the Fourth Amendment ... 805 00: 47: 58,273 --> 00: 48: 01,913 ... about can the government using hacking techniques ... 806 00: 48: 02,033 --> 00: 48: 05,133 ... to dig up evidence on criminal suspect? 807 00: 48: 05,233 --> 00: 48: 07,573 And if you can, what warrant do they need? 808 00: 48: 07,673 --> 00: 48: 10,333 If there is a violation of the Fourth Amendment ... 809 00: 48: 10,433 --> 00: 48: 13,573 ... in the investigation section ... 810 00: 48: 13,673 --> 00: 48: 17,753 ... that was the first clue bring them into the chain ... 811 00: 48: 17,873 --> 00: 48: 19,213 ... arrest of Ross Ulbricht, ... 812 00: 48: 19,313 --> 00: 48: 21,693 ... it will be a big problem for prosecutors ... 813 00: 48: 21,793 --> 00: 48: 26,433 ... which will pollute other evidence they found afterwards. 814 00: 48: 27,313 --> 00: 48: 29,353 The government has demanded other people because of doing ... 815 00: 48: 29,473 --> 00: 48: 33,233 ...What is being done current government, namely ... 816 00: 48: 35,153 --> 00: 48: 39,253 ... trying to find a public figure from a website. 817 00: 48: 39,353 --> 00: 48: 41,853 And they are suspected get information... 818 00: 48: 41,953 --> 00: 48: 43,773 ... that shouldn't be publicly accessible ... 819 00: 48: 43,873 --> 00: 48: 48,333 ... by sophisticated computers, investigation, or activity ... 820 00: 48: 48,433 --> 00: 48: 52,133 ... which violates federal law. 821 00: 48: 52,233 --> 00: 48: 54,573 So they always say, "We didn't make a mistake," 822 00: 48: 54,673 --> 00: 48: 57,893 "... we don't commit violations." But they know what's at stake now. 823 00: 48: 57,993 --> 00: 49: 00,653 Because they have tried people in the same thing. 824 00: 49: 00,753 --> 00: 49: 04,052 And the government statement, statement from Agent Tarbell ... 825 00: 49: 04,152 --> 00: 49: 06,432 ... about how they are arrived at the Silk Road server ... 826 00: 49: 06,552 --> 00: 49: 11,152 ... make a community Internet confusion. 827 00: 49: 11,552 --> 00: 49: 14,292 Description of Tarbell, the soft words ... 828 00: 49: 14,392 --> 00: 49: 17,392 ... looks vaguely apart from the truth. 829 00: 49: 17,512 --> 00: 49: 20,252 If you are, depending on security experts do you ask ... 830 00: 49: 20,352 --> 00: 49: 25,612 ... you will find This obscurity is filled with ... 831 00: 49: 25,712 --> 00: 49: 28,412 ... useless nonsense. 832 00: 49: 28,512 --> 00: 49: 32,372 According to Tarbell he is currently typing on his computer ... 833 00: 49: 32,472 --> 00: 49: 37,392 ... visit the Silk Road site and The CAPTCHA is clearly transmitted ... 834 00: 49: 37,512 --> 00: 49: 41,972 ... and somehow he saw IP package directly to the server. 835 00: 49: 42,072 --> 00: 49: 44,892 So he connected to that server and complete the CAPTCHA. 836 00: 49: 44,992 --> 00: 49: 47,632 Done, they found the server. 837 00: 49: 47,752 --> 00: 49: 53,912 Unfortunately, this is a bit reckless from the truth. 838 00: 49: 54,032 --> 00: 49: 57,512 Because the site is protected with defense ... 839 00: 49: 57,632 --> 00: 50: 02,812 ... indicates that it was found Tarbell is not a CAPTCHA image ... 840 00: 50: 02,912 --> 00: 50: 05,652 ... but the phpMyAdmin page. 841 00: 50: 05,752 --> 00: 50: 10,172 The server shows several pages, but not a CAPTCHA. 842 00: 50: 10,272 --> 00: 50: 15,632 So the Tarbell story is not appropriate with FBI evidence. 843 00: 50: 16,312 --> 00: 50: 20,332 They hacked the server and did it whatever they want. 844 00: 50: 20,432 --> 00: 50: 23,472 Given the pressure from the institute to overcome this ... 845 00: 50: 23,592 --> 00: 50: 26,112 ... naive when thinking they don't do it. 846 00: 50: 28,032 --> 00: 50: 30,392 Of course it's clear what they are do to look for it. 847 00: 50: 30,512 --> 00: 50: 32,952 He faced Tor. Facing all technology ... 848 00: 50: 33,072 --> 00: 50: 35,572 ... which we know is the subject of the NSA investigation ... 849 00: 50: 35,672 --> 00: 50: 37,132 ... as revealed by Edward Snowden. 850 00: 50: 37,232 --> 00: 50: 39,952 At least it makes sense to assume that there is some sort of ... 851 00: 50: 40,072 --> 00: 50: 43,372 ... parallel construction or interference because it doesn't play according to the rules ... 852 00: 50: 43,472 --> 00: 50: 45,052 ... allowed by the state. 853 00: 50: 45,152 --> 00: 50: 48,472 But again, we all know that's what they do. 854 00: 50: 48,592 --> 00: 50: 50,952 That's what makes the game run. 855 00: 50: 51,072 --> 00: 50: 54,772 Naive if you think that not an available option. 856 00: 50: 54,872 --> 00: 51: 00,032 The problem is what the agent is do what he says. 857 00: 51: 00,152 --> 00: 51: 02,932 The theory has been stated in the testimony ... 858 00: 51: 03,032 --> 00: 51: 05,432 ... by agents who do this. 859 00: 51: 05,552 --> 00: 51: 08,572 They managed to manipulate part of the server ... 860 00: 51: 08,672 --> 00: 51: 12,492 ... so that shows the address which shouldn't be given ... 861 00: 51: 12,592 --> 00: 51: 14,772 ... and that address heading to Iceland. 862 00: 51: 14,872 --> 00: 51: 19,192 And the server saves data on Hidden Road Silk services. 863 00: 51: 19,952 --> 00: 51: 22,332 I don't think we will know until get to court ... 864 00: 51: 22,432 --> 00: 51: 24,112 ... and we won't know for sure. 865 00: 51: 24,232 --> 00: 51: 27,012 There is always a balance between ... 866 00: 51: 27,112 --> 00: 51: 29,772 ... trying to move forward in your investigation technique ... 867 00: 51: 29,872 --> 00: 51: 32,752 ... and make sure you don't stepping on rights at that time. 868 00: 51: 32,872 --> 00: 51: 36,412 You want to stay inside the limits of your legal authority ... 869 00: 51: 36,512 --> 00: 51: 40,852 ... because if you step over the line, the evidence vanished. 870 00: 51: 40,952 --> 00: 51: 44,112 Evidence will not be recognized in court and you might ... 871 00: 51: 44,232 --> 00: 51: 46,772 ... endanger the results of overall investigation. 872 00: 51: 46,872 --> 00: 51: 49,011 Therefore, I guess what the institution is doing is ... 873 00: 51: 49,111 --> 00: 51: 50,931 ... they want to step right on the limit ... 874 00: 51: 51,031 --> 00: 51: 54,871 ... and may exceed a little, but don't step over it. 875 00: 51: 54,991 --> 00: 51: 58,991 Ross's lawyer filed a motion to stop case based on a seizure dispute ... 876 00: 51: 59,111 --> 00: 52: 02,971 ... Silk Road server, on the grounds that the evidence obtained ... 877 00: 52: 03,071 --> 00: 52: 06,251 ... not just breaking Amendment rights of the four clients ... 878 00: 52: 06,351 --> 00: 52: 10,551 ... but it is also a dangerous action for the privacy rights of all citizens. 879 00: 52: 11,191 --> 00: 52: 14,251 The judge, Katherine Forest, siding with the prosecutor ... 880 00: 52: 14,351 --> 00: 52: 17,231 ...States that Tarbell's information is acceptable. 881 00: 52: 17,511 --> 00: 52: 19,951 And the motion was rejected. 882 00: 52: 24,991 --> 00: 52: 28,591 Search and seizure law in the digital era really ... 883 00: 52: 28,711 --> 00: 52: 32,331 ... has no restrictions ... 884 00: 52: 32,431 --> 00: 52: 34,171 ... in physical space. 885 00: 52: 34,271 --> 00: 52: 38,011 And we don't just look at it the law of search and confiscation. 886 00: 52: 38,111 --> 00: 52: 41,491 What is the standard procedure if they are come and take your computer? 887 00: 52: 41,591 --> 00: 52: 44,651 What kind of search can did they do it to your computer? 888 00: 52: 44,751 --> 00: 52: 46,991 Did they get everything? We see this on the border ... 889 00: 52: 47,111 --> 00: 52: 48,651 ... or search that ending arrest. 890 00: 52: 48,751 --> 00: 52: 53,111 Everyone is now carrying a smartphone with all life in it. 891 00: 52: 53,231 --> 00: 52: 57,251 And if they are dismissed, Current law enforcement ... 892 00: 52: 57,351 --> 00: 53: 00,531 ... open all things connected ... 893 00: 53: 00,631 --> 00: 53: 04,731 ... on cellphones, including log in to your account ... 894 00: 53: 04,831 --> 00: 53: 07,991 ... the one on your cellphone is logged in, that's fine. 895 00: 53: 08,111 --> 00: 53: 12,011 If the claimant escapes without search warrant ... 896 00: 53: 12,111 --> 00: 53: 15,731 ... all American data taken including foreigners ... 897 00: 53: 15,831 --> 00: 53: 17,951 ... that will raise questions ... 898 00: 53: 18,071 --> 00: 53: 20,651 ...how to work Fourth Amendment in the digital age. 899 00: 53: 20,751 --> 00: 53: 25,211 I guess maybe that lasting impact of Silk Road. 900 00: 53: 25,311 --> 00: 53: 28,891 Generally, what happens in the field of criminal law ... 901 00: 53: 28,991 --> 00: 53: 33,451 ... that there is a big case ... 902 00: 53: 33,551 --> 00: 53: 36,851 ... used as means of changing the rules ... 903 00: 53: 36,951 --> 00: 53: 40,691 ... or expand exceptions for constitutional protection ... 904 00: 53: 40,791 --> 00: 53: 42,891 ... and when that happens, when the precedent was set ... 905 00: 53: 42,991 --> 00: 53: 45,131 ... that easily and quickly tear down ... 906 00: 53: 45,231 --> 00: 53: 48,951 ... all the usual cases with justifies any means. 907 00: 53: 49,071 --> 00: 53: 51,811 Now it all spreads. 908 00: 53: 51,911 --> 00: 53: 55,631 The average citizen might say, "What's important to me?" 909 00: 53: 55,751 --> 00: 53: 58,991 "I don't buy drugs online. Nobody I know bought it. " 910 00: 53: 59,111 --> 00: 54: 00,331 But it's not just that. 911 00: 54: 00,431 --> 00: 54: 04,831 We are citizens of a democracy ... 912 00: 54: 05,551 --> 00: 54: 07,631 ... understand that they have privacy ... 913 00: 54: 07,751 --> 00: 54: 12,571 ... and the Fourth Amendment protects against unwarranted search and seizure. 914 00: 54: 12,671 --> 00: 54: 14,331 Information must be encrypted. 915 00: 54: 14,431 --> 00: 54: 18,231 And that applies to large companies up to individuals. 916 00: 54: 18,351 --> 00: 54: 23,291 And for those who say that information does not have to be encrypted ... 917 00: 54: 23,391 --> 00: 54: 28,471 ... certainly make law enforcement fighting easier ... 918 00: 54: 28,591 --> 00: 54: 32,131 ... but also makes cyber criminals easier to attack. 919 00: 54: 32,231 --> 00: 54: 35,410 It makes sense if it's a criminal together with this... 920 00: 54: 35,510 --> 00: 54: 38,830 ... along with paranoid people, use these new tools and services. 921 00: 54: 38,950 --> 00: 54: 41,710 But that doesn't mean only them who use this service. 922 00: 54: 41,830 --> 00: 54: 43,890 There are many journalists I know ... 923 00: 54: 43,990 --> 00: 54: 46,390 ... and communicate via Tor. 924 00: 54: 46,510 --> 00: 54: 49,890 But for people who oppose this technology ... 925 00: 54: 49,990 --> 00: 54: 52,630 ... who saw this as a threat, because criminals wear it ... 926 00: 54: 52,750 --> 00: 54: 55,250 ... better for them to eliminate it. 927 00: 54: 55,350 --> 00: 54: 57,430 I'm sure that there are people in the US ... 928 00: 54: 57,550 --> 00: 54: 59,890 ... who don't think of the government did not make a mistake. 929 00: 54: 59,990 --> 00: 55: 03,530 That is not something that is necessary you worry or care about ... 930 00: 55: 03,630 --> 00: 55: 07,250 ... or something that makes you enthusiastic until it happened to you. 931 00: 55: 07,350 --> 00: 55: 11,410 And that is more dangerous from all websites ... 932 00: 55: 11,510 --> 00: 55: 14,570 ... will be how the government will be now and the way they operate. 933 00: 55: 14,670 --> 00: 55: 17,910 This goes back to the question how the government treats the Internet ... 934 00: 55: 18,030 --> 00: 55: 23,070 ... differently without the same court process. 935 00: 55: 23,190 --> 00: 55: 26,110 The Supreme Court proves that they don't agree. 936 00: 55: 26,350 --> 00: 55: 31,030 With Riley's case against California for illegal searches on cellphones. 937 00: 55: 31,430 --> 00: 55: 36,730 Precedents can be made to limit their ability to violate our rights. 938 00: 55: 36,830 --> 00: 55: 41,370 Someone asked how his political outlook changed. 939 00: 55: 41,470 --> 00: 55: 45,170 Because he suddenly defended Tor, ... 940 00: 55: 45,270 --> 00: 55: 50,290 ... Bitcoin, drug war, online anonymity, and encryption. 941 00: 55: 50,390 --> 00: 55: 53,690 And he learned many things ... 942 00: 55: 53,790 --> 00: 55: 57,370 ... not only the legal system overall but ... 943 00: 55: 57,470 --> 00: 56: 00,590 ... everything about technology and cases. 944 00: 56: 02,510 --> 00: 56: 06,610 After more than a year in prison, Ross suspended the trial for two months ... 945 00: 56: 06,710 --> 00: 56: 10,050 ... states that evidence is important he needed to test ... 946 00: 56: 10,150 --> 00: 56: 13,350 ... just sent to him by prosecutor. 947 00: 56: 13,950 --> 00: 56: 16,770 The FBI closes what is called as a criminal market ... 948 00: 56: 16,870 --> 00: 56: 19,730 ... the most sophisticated on the Internet ... 949 00: 56: 19,830 --> 00: 56: 22,270 ... but seems to find new life. 950 00: 56: 22,430 --> 00: 56: 25,610 Arrest Ross Ulbricht and closing Silk Road ... 951 00: 56: 25,710 --> 00: 56: 28,690 ... can't hinder drug trafficking on Dark Net. 952 00: 56: 28,790 --> 00: 56: 30,970 Many new markets appear ... 953 00: 56: 31,070 --> 00: 56: 33,970 ... including launch Silk Road returns ... 954 00: 56: 34,070 --> 00: 56: 38,010 ... run by someone called Dread Pirate Roberts. 955 00: 56: 38,110 --> 00: 56: 41,790 And like its predecessor, Silk Road the second also claims mandate ... 956 00: 56: 41,910 --> 00: 56: 45,370 ... to reduce violence and the dangers of drug transactions. 957 00: 56: 45,470 --> 00: 56: 50,390 Dread Pirate tweeted, "Silk Road below my supervision will not endanger lives. " 958 00: 56: 50,510 --> 00: 56: 53,970 "If we do it, then we just like street thugs. " 959 00: 56: 54,070 --> 00: 56: 58,390 The new Dread Pirate Roberts said that he knows there can't be forever ... 960 00: 56: 58,510 --> 00: 57: 01,490 ... and when he leaves, someone else ... 961 00: 57: 01,590 --> 00: 57: 04,210 ... he's sure of someone else will go forward and fill in the blanks. 962 00: 57: 04,310 --> 00: 57: 07,530 You can catch the person, but you can't catch the idea. 963 00: 57: 07,630 --> 00: 57: 11,770 At this time, statistics show that the first Silk Road succeeded ... 964 00: 57: 11,870 --> 00: 57: 15,870 ... reduce violence in drug trafficking. 965 00: 57: 21,789 --> 00: 57: 24,989 When I was in the Baltimore Police Department the 2000s ... 966 00: 57: 25,109 --> 00: 57: 30,109 ... I have two officers drug dealer killed on the streets. 967 00: 57: 30,509 --> 00: 57: 34,889 And there is a family of seven, the Dawson family on Preston Street ... 968 00: 57: 34,989 --> 00: 57: 39,789 ... they were killed by drug dealers inside one night. Mother, father and five children. 969 00: 57: 41,549 --> 00: 57: 45,609 And at that time ... 970 00: 57: 45,709 --> 00: 57: 49,869 ... I keep thinking about the violence that happened ... 971 00: 57: 50,229 --> 00: 57: 53,589 ... and begin to realize that Our drug prohibition policy ... 972 00: 57: 53,709 --> 00: 57: 56,489 ... contrary to public security. 973 00: 57: 56,589 --> 00: 57: 59,989 The thing I signed ... 974 00: 58: 00,109 --> 00: 58: 03,889 ... for the sake of public security in our environment, instead it makes it worse. 975 00: 58: 03,989 --> 00: 58: 06,989 And I found ... 976 00: 58: 07,109 --> 00: 58: 11,989 ... a number of police officers, judge, prosecutor, ... 977 00: 58: 12,109 --> 00: 58: 16,629 ... DEA agents, and FBI think the same thing. 978 00: 58: 16,749 --> 00: 58: 20,369 If the sale is moved from street corner to online services ... 979 00: 58: 20,469 --> 00: 58: 22,409 ... God, do you know how much lots of shooting ... 980 00: 58: 22,509 --> 00: 58: 26,729 ... which will decrease every year, which means murder is reduced? 981 00: 58: 26,829 --> 00: 58: 30,109 Number one. That eliminates the buyer ... 982 00: 58: 30,709 --> 00: 58: 33,389 ... from the back alley, street corner, ... 983 00: 58: 33,509 --> 00: 58: 36,949 ... and dangerous places to face the seller. 984 00: 58: 37,069 --> 00: 58: 39,449 Buy over the internet where will it be sent to you ... 985 00: 58: 39,549 --> 00: 58: 41,209 ... delete you from that scenario. 986 00: 58: 41,309 --> 00: 58: 44,749 One interesting thing from the online market ... 987 00: 58: 44,869 --> 00: 58: 47,569 ... is making sellers more responsible to the buyer. 988 00: 58: 47,669 --> 00: 58: 50,509 And very interesting innovation is a review system ... 989 00: 58: 50,829 --> 00: 58: 54,049 ... where buyers can review their sellers and goods ... 990 00: 58: 54,149 --> 00: 58: 58,009 ... that they bought it from this market. 991 00: 58: 58,109 --> 00: 59: 02,249 And that makes sellers more responsible and give buyers ... 992 00: 59: 02,349 --> 00: 59: 05,809 ... to assess the quality, quality ... 993 00: 59: 05,909 --> 00: 59: 08,529 ... purity, and the potential of drugs they got. 994 00: 59: 08,629 --> 00: 59: 12,389 It makes a transaction safer for buyers. 995 00: 59: 12,869 --> 00: 59: 16,849 But we closed it. Trying to close it ... 996 00: 59: 16,949 --> 00: 59: 19,069 ... because we won't be able to close it. 997 00: 59: 20,029 --> 00: 59: 23,349 We are in a drug war since four decades more ... 998 00: 59: 23,469 --> 00: 59: 24,909 ...And what happened? 999 00: 59: 25,029 --> 00: 59: 29,309 At first, only cartels and criminals organized who earn money. 1000 00: 59: 29,589 --> 00: 59: 34,089 Today, they got 322 billion dollars from this industry. 1001 00: 59: 34,189 --> 00: 59: 36,649 Corporate America is now also playing. 1002 00: 59: 36,749 --> 00: 59: 40,629 Private prison. Corrections Corporation of America. 1003 00: 59: 40,749 --> 00: 59: 46,089 A year ago they gave 675 million dollars dividends for shareholders. 1004 00: 59: 46,189 --> 00: 59: 50,509 Drug testing company now become a multi billion dollar industry. 1005 00: 59: 50,789 --> 00: 59: 52,269 And who is tested? 1006 00: 59: 52,389 --> 00: 59: 56,689 Those who are imprisoned or below control of the criminal justice program ... 1007 00: 59: 56,789 --> 00: 59: 58,109 ... our trial period. 1008 00: 59: 58,229 --> 01: 00: 00,249 Become Corporate America earn a lot of money. 1009 01: 00: 00,349 --> 01: 00: 03,469 What about law enforcement? Law enforcers earn a lot of money. 1010 1:00: 03,589 --> 01:00: 05,768 1033 government program ... 1011 01: 00: 05,868 --> 01: 00: 09,048 ... where we got a vehicle armored and machine gun ... 1012 01: 00: 09,148 --> 01: 00: 12,668 ... and all military equipment what we need... 1013 01: 00: 12,788 --> 01: 00: 14,168 ... all because of a drug war. 1014 01: 00: 14,268 --> 01:00: 16,468 For years we have seen ... 1015 01: 00: 16,588 --> 01: 00: 19,848 ... big bureaucracy built around drug war ... 1016 01: 00: 19,948 --> 01: 00: 22,808 ... around the demands of a drug war. You have a Drug Enforcement Agency. 1017 01: 00: 22,908 --> 01: 00: 25,528 You have an Office of National Drug Control Policy. 1018 01: 00: 25,628 --> 01: 00: 29,948 So many opponents are rooted on self-interest ... 1019 01: 00: 30,068 --> 01: 00: 33,168 ... among places like FBI and DEA ... 1020 01: 00: 33,268 --> 01:00: 36,508 ... where if you ask someone who worked 30 years at the FBI ... 1021 01: 00: 36,628 --> 01: 00: 40,488 ... that drugs are no longer a priority, it's a real threat to them. 1022 01: 00: 40,588 --> 01: 00: 43,008 It removes the whole the reason for their existence. 1023 01: 00: 43,108 --> 01: 00: 47,248 You have to think of danger from these drugs. 1024 01: 00: 47,348 --> 01: 00: 50,808 The danger of being heavily addicted ... 1025 01: 00: 50,908 --> 01: 00: 53,808 ... damage that will family accepted ... 1026 01: 00: 53,908 --> 01:00: 57,668 ... and children and careers. 1027 01: 00: 57,788 --> 01: 01: 01,168 And to say that we are need to back down and expand your view ... 1028 01: 01: 0268 --> 01: 01: 04,368 ... that's one path you can take. 1029 01: 01: 04,468 --> 01: 01: 06,348 But you have to see cause and effect. 1030 01: 01: 06,468 --> 01: 01: 10,468 If we do this, what is the second and third effect? 1031 01: 01: 13348 --> 01: 01: 15,428 FBI, our federal government, they will enter ... 1032 01: 01: 15,548 --> 01: 01: 19,328 ... and close this place. But you know? A new place will appear. 1033 01: 01: 19,428 --> 01: 01: 21,128 Because there is a lot of money which can be produced. 1034 01: 01-21,228 --> 01: 01: 25,828 They will continue to open and it's like a dog chasing its tail. 1035 01: 01: 35,308 --> 01: 01: 39,068 We are a team and we have work on this together from the start. 1036 01: 01: 40,668 --> 01: 01: 45,328 If it affects me, Lyn will also be affected ... 1037 01: 01: 45,428 --> 01: 01: 48,468 ... but I'm not going out there and talk to reporters. 1038 01: 01: 48,588 --> 01: 01: 51,508 And we have arranged it like that. 1039 01: 01: 51,628 --> 01: 01: 55,688 Quite difficult if someone is you love being in prison ... 1040 01: 01: 55,788 --> 01: 02: 00,128 ... then all media coverage, this adds pressure. 1041 01: 02: 00,228 --> 01: 02: 03,288 I have known for a long time that media ... 1042 01: 02: 03,388 --> 01: 02: 07,788 ... does not present the whole story. The news is biased. 1043 01: 02: 08,188 --> 01: 02: 14,188 I saw Lyn and myself against that. 1044 01: 02: 15,988 --> 01: 02: 20,108 Ross has been there for a year and he avoids all violence ... 1045 01: 02: 20,228 --> 01: 02: 22,728 ... even though it is around him. 1046 01: 02: 22,828 --> 01: 02: 25,588 That's what matured it. 1047 01: 02: 26,188 --> 01: 02: 31,308 He came out without injury, can still talk. 1048 01: 02: 31,748 --> 01: 02: 35,508 He looks serious. There is a lot at stake. 1049 01: 02: 35,628 --> 01: 02: 39,428 He feels good because of it we got an extension. 1050 01: 02: 39,548 --> 01: 02: 42,228 He has mountainous problems that must be passed ... 1051 01: 02: 42,348 --> 01: 02: 45,548 ... and I feel he is running out of time. 1052 01: 02: 45,788 --> 01: 02: 48,788 And now we are given an additional two months ... 1053 01: 02: 48,908 --> 01: 02: 51,407 ... he said it was very "necessary." 1054 01: 02: 51,507 --> 01: 02: 53,967 So I think he feels ... 1055 01: 02: 54,067 --> 01: 02: 57,187 ... more ready and ready. 1056 01: 02: 57,387 --> 01: 03: 01,827 He said he was ready for the court. He is ready to enter and win. 1057 01: 03: 03,947 --> 01: 03: 07,147 I also become getting older this year. 1058 01: 03: 07,267 --> 01: 03: 12,067 Adult in mind regarding ethics and politics. 1059 01: 03: 12,587 --> 01: 03: 17,747 When I'm more aware of what drug war ... 1060 01: 03: 17,867 --> 01: 03: 19,527 ... tragedy in it. 1061 01: 03: 19,627 --> 01: 03: 23,627 So many people have become victim of drug war. 1062 01: 03: 23,747 --> 01: 03: 27,987 That's a big mess and that needs to be told. 1063 01: 03: 28,107 --> 01: 03: 32,787 And we have a pulpit to tell it. 1064 01: 03: 32,907 --> 01: 03: 36,407 Very strange to do all this and this ... 1065 01: 03: 36,507 --> 01: 03: 38,727 ... annoying and challenging ... 1066 01: 03: 38,827 --> 01: 03: 41,767 ... and you want to do the right thing, and then it's all about Ross. 1067 01: 03: 41,867 --> 01: 03: 44,887 Then we go see it, hug him, talk to him, ... 1068 01: 03: 44,987 --> 01: 03: 48,207 ... and hold his hand and that is Ross. 1069 01: 03: 48,307 --> 01: 03: 52,307 That's like breaking and it's really hard to see it in there. 1070 01: 03: 58,227 --> 01: 04: 01,687 Being in prison, visiting him. That's the most emotional experience ... 1071 01: 04: 01,787 --> 01: 04: 05,127 ... because there are other families there ... 1072 01: 04: 05,227 --> 01: 04: 09,007 ... and they have to see people they love one hour a week. 1073 01: 04: 09,107 --> 01: 04: 11,407 And they dissolve in it. 1074 01: 04: 11,507 --> 01: 04: 14,407 And you are in the room filled with 150 people ... 1075 01: 04: 14,507 --> 01: 04: 16,967 ... sitting side by side, crowded. 1076 01: 04: 17,067 --> 01: 04: 20,627 And there are all these emotions ... 1077 01: 04: 20,747 --> 01: 04: 23,067 ... saturate the atmosphere. 1078 01: 04: 34,427 --> 01: 04: 37,907 The prisoners feel isolated. 1079 01: 04: 38,587 --> 01: 04: 42,027 But when someone loved ones visit ... 1080 01: 04: 42,147 --> 01: 04: 46,747 ... there's no sense of isolation at all. 1081 01: 04: 47,827 --> 01: 04: 52,227 We are only 150 people whose heart is grieving. 1082 01: 05: 0747 --> 01: 05: 10,607 Of all Snowden's disclosures that has come out until now ... 1083 01: 05: 10,707 --> 01: 05: 13,487 ... one that will have the biggest long-term impact ... 1084 01: 05: 13,587 --> 01: 05: 16,727 ... is a statement that NSA has violated ... 1085 01: 05: 16,827 --> 01: 05: 19,787 ... cryptographic standards and make The internet is becoming less secure. 1086 01: 05: 20,147 --> 01: 05: 22,107 Disclosures, articles, ... 1087 01: 05: 22,227 --> 01: 05: 25,487 ... has radicalized a new generation of cryptographers. 1088 01: 05: 25,587 --> 01: 05: 27,567 A new generation of computer scientists ... 1089 01: 05: 27,667 --> 01: 05: 30,927 ... who now intends to build tools and services ... 1090 01: 05: 31,027 --> 01: 05: 34,307 ... which can hold the breadth government supervision. 1091 01: 05: 34,507 --> 01: 05: 38,246 Did you see our wireless from Barclay Bank? 1092 01: 05: 38,346 --> 01: 05: 40,786 They are like Bitcoin, so they support our work. 1093 01: 05: 40,906 --> 01: 05: 44,986 They provide Free Wi-Fi from the bank. 1094 01: 05: 47,106 --> 01: 05: 49,266 In the fall of 2014, ... 1095 01: 05: 49,386 --> 01: 05: 51,606 ... when Ross prepares for his trial, ... 1096 01: 05: 51,706 --> 01: 05: 54,066 ... a group of hackers, programmer, and activist ... 1097 01: 05: 54,186 --> 01: 05: 56,826 ... meet in the center of London. 1098 01: 05: 57,066 --> 01: 06: 00,326 This meeting represents the next wave of Dark Net ... 1099 01: 06: 00,426 --> 01: 06: 03,246 ... develop cryptographic tools new and developing ... 1100 01: 06: 03,346 --> 01: 06: 05,966 ... which won't be easily stopped. 1101 01: 06: 06,066 --> 01: 06: 07,946 Open source is so strong. 1102 01: 06: 08,066 --> 01: 06: 11,566 Open source is responsible on WikiLeaks, Wikipedia, Linux, ... 1103 01: 06: 11,666 --> 01: 06: 16,446 ... which runs all our means, over Firefox, BitTorrent, ... 1104 01: 06: 16,546 --> 01: 06: 19,666 ... Bitcoin, for all ... over encryption ... 1105 01: 06: 19,786 --> 01: 06: 23,306 ... for all useful technologies, not an application ... 1106 01: 06: 23,426 --> 01: 06: 26,726 ... Angry Birds or stupid application that ... 1107 01: 06: 26,826 --> 01: 06: 28,426 ... made by these people. 1108 01: 06: 28,546 --> 01: 06: 33,206 Open source is also an example of how we can arrange it economically, ... 1109 01: 06: 33,306 --> 01: 06: 36,806 ... an example for the future, to make the products we need ... 1110 01: 06: 36,906 --> 01: 06: 39,506 ... without the need for ownership industries. 1111 01: 06: 39,626 --> 01: 06: 42,326 No need for supervision. 1112 01: 06: 42,426 --> 01: 06: 46,706 No need for an employer, slaves, and caregivers. 1113 01: 06: 47,226 --> 01: 06: 51,086 Not enough if you only build tools for protecting privacy. 1114 01: 06: 51,186 --> 01: 06: 54,646 Not enough if just writing revolutionary research papers ... 1115 01: 06: 54,746 --> 01: 06: 58,066 ... and cryptographic design outstanding. 1116 01: 06: 58,186 --> 01: 07: 00,806 You have to hand it over into the hands of users. 1117 01: 07: 00,906 --> 01: 07: 03,946 And I guess in the future, what you will find is ... 1118 01: 07: 04,066 --> 01: 07: 08,446 ... tools like Tor, OTR, PGP, Bitcoin ... 1119 01: 07: 08,546 --> 01: 07: 11,326 ... will be made into service and the application that you use ... 1120 01: 07: 11,426 --> 01: 07: 13,966 ... and you won't know that it is there. 1121 01: 07: 14,066 --> 01: 07: 18,326 We want to empower individuals, protect small people. 1122 01: 07: 18,426 --> 01: 07: 21,046 We have mistrust at the central authority. 1123 01: 07: 21,146 --> 01: 07: 23,346 We believe in freedom of information. 1124 01: 07: 23,466 --> 01: 07: 27,766 First, we have a drug market centralized, Silk Road. 1125 01: 07: 27,866 --> 01: 07: 30,026 The government comes and closes it. 1126 01: 07: 30,226 --> 01: 07: 33,606 Then dozens of sites appeared ... 1127 01: 07: 33,706 --> 01: 07: 35,786 ... the drug market is centralized. 1128 01: 07: 35,906 --> 01: 07: 39,846 And again, they close one and dozens more. 1129 01: 07: 39,946 --> 01: 07: 42,986 And now we enter the realm decentralized drug market ... 1130 01: 07: 43,106 --> 01: 07: 45,966 ... without an operator center, unattended. 1131 01: 07: 46,066 --> 01: 07: 47,586 What will they do? 1132 01: 07: 50,266 --> 01: 07: 52,366 They will continue to do this ... 1133 01: 07: 52,466 --> 01: 07: 54,586 ... even though the network is distributed ... 1134 01: 07: 54,906 --> 01: 07: 58,126 ... cooperation continues to be carried out by ... 1135 01: 07: 58,226 --> 01: 08: 00,186 ... countries and institutions local law enforcement. 1136 01: 08: 00,506 --> 01: 08: 03,066 And they hold people every week. 1137 01: 08: 03,546 --> 01: 08: 06,346 On November 6, 2014 ... 1138 01: 08: 06,466 --> 01: 08: 08,586 ... law enforcement agencies all over the world ... 1139 01: 08: 08,706 --> 01: 08: 12,006 ... start a coordinated effort called "Onymous Operation", ... 1140 01: 08: 12,106 --> 01: 08: 16,406 ... confiscating hundreds of Dark Net sites, including the new Silk Road. 1141 01: 08: 16,506 --> 01: 08: 19,266 Bruce Schneier, the cryptographer once told me ... 1142 01: 08: 19,626 --> 01: 08: 22,245 "In this cat and mouse game, in the end the mouse will win ... " 1143 01: 08: 22,345 --> 01: 08: 26,985 "... but cats will be fed well." I think that's the picture. 1144 01: 08: 27,945 --> 01: 08: 30,445 This game will continue. 1145 01: 08: 30,545 --> 01: 08: 33,665 They always react to us ... 1146 01: 08: 36,465 --> 01: 08: 37,325 ... which is fine. 1147 01: 08: 37,425 --> 01: 08: 39,645 But when they react and they hold back ... 1148 01: 08: 39,745 --> 01: 08: 43,565 ... and they realize, "This is a new defense, you won't pass this. " 1149 01: 08: 43,665 --> 01: 08: 46,205 We will just sit there, accept it, and get around it again. 1150 01: 08: 46,305 --> 01: 08: 49,625 We will always win. 1151 01: 08: 50,145 --> 01: 08: 51,925 There are reasons why Silk Road is very strong. 1152 01: 08: 52,025 --> 01: 08: 54,785 And I know cryptographers are now wrote a kind of automatic Silk Road ... 1153 01: 08: 54,905 --> 01: 08: 55,985 ... and Amir helped this. 1154 01: 08: 56,105 --> 01: 08: 59,425 This is a peer-to-peer model where there isn't one individual admin. 1155 01: 08: 59,785 --> 01: 09: 03,025 And see that as a weak point, technically, this is all true. 1156 01: 09: 03,145 --> 01: 09: 05,425 But there is something like ... 1157 01: 09: 05,545 --> 01: 09: 08,225 I don't want to call him a hero, sort of ... 1158 01: 09: 09,225 --> 01: 09: 11,305 I don't want to call him a hero. But... 1159 01: 09: 11,425 --> 01: 09: 13,865 The DPR knows what is at stake ... 1160 01: 09: 13,985 --> 01: 09: 17,685 ... and he is willing to do that libertarians won't do ... 1161 01: 09: 17,785 --> 01: 09: 19,925 ... because he really meant about ... 1162 01: 09: 20,025 --> 01: 09: 22,825 ... what does Silk Road mean? 1163 01: 09: 24,025 --> 01: 09: 25,725 Three weeks before the trial ... 1164 01: 09: 25,825 --> 01: 09: 29,085 ... the issue of Leasing Murder suddenly appeared again. 1165 01: 09: 18,185 --> 01: 09: 32,165 The prosecutor announced that because of this accusation ... 1166 01: 09: 32,265 --> 01: 09: 36,565 ... they don't allow Ross's defenders knowing the identity of their witnesses. 1167 01: 09: 36,665 --> 01: 09: 39,405 Defenders respond, This Crime Without Allegation ... 1168 01: 09: 39,505 --> 01: 09: 41,265 ... harm them. 1169 01: 09: 42,225 --> 01: 09: 45,585 While the examination was held to solve this problem. 1170 1: 09: 48,185 --> 01: 09: 52,085 The judge decided that several witnesses will not be notified to the defense ... 1171 01: 09: 52,185 --> 01: 09: 54,465 ... until right before the trial. 1172 01: 09: 54,905 --> 01: 09: 59,025 Based on the judge's words, Ross can threaten ... 1173 01: 09: 59,145 --> 01: 10: 03,305 ... or kill people from prison. 1174 01: 10: 11,945 --> 01: 10: 15,145 The first time this happened, maybe you can still ... 1175 01: 10: 15,265 --> 01: 10: 19,025 ... said that this man is a murderer and only seek their own benefit. 1176 01: 10: 19,145 --> 01: 10: 23,345 He ignored the sense of humanity. 1177 01: 10: 23,465 --> 01: 10: 26,425 We better stamp this man as a killer figure rather than ... 1178 01: 10: 26,545 --> 01: 10: 30,105 ... a drug war martyr. I think that's a good plan. 1179 01: 10: 30,425 --> 01: 10: 33,865 I think it will be difficult for get a fair trial. 1180 01: 10: 33,985 --> 01: 10: 38,125 If you are innocent until proven, then with all the evidence ... 1181 01: 10: 38,225 --> 01: 10: 41,805 ... and all stories, I think it will be very difficult ... 1182 01: 10: 41,905 --> 01: 10: 48,065 ... to find someone who is not affected by all this. 1183 01: 11: 02,265 --> 01: 11: 05,925 The day before the trial, Ross gave a written statement. 1184 01: 11: 06,025 --> 01: 11: 10,024 That is the only statement that can be obtained so far. 1185 01: 11: 11,104 --> 01: 11: 16,704 Throughout my adult life, I try to stay positive ... 1186 01: 11: 19,544 --> 01: 11: 24,664 ... and that's the most important thing to do now. 1187 01: 11: 27,304 --> 01: 11: 32,104 I fight a very strong enemy. 1188 01: 11: 35,624 --> 01: 11: 39,104 Easy to think ... 1189 01: 11: 42,384 --> 01: 11: 45,664 ... that everything is in vain and there is no hope. 1190 01: 11: 52,224 --> 01: 11: 54,624 But actually it's not. 1191 01: 11: 56,424 --> 01: 11: 59,344 All of that is not in vain. 1192 01: 12: 04,464 --> 01: 12: 04,064 I will not give up ... 1193 01: 12: 06,184 --> 01: 12: 10,144 ... to be free again. 1194 01: 12: 24,384 --> 01: 12: 27,324 Ross Ulbricht is on trial today. The jury will decide which case can affect ... 1195 01: 12: 27,424 --> 01: 12: 29,584 - ... the future of Internet security. - Good night. 1196 01: 12: 29,704 --> 01: 12: 33,324 The argument opened today, and the first witness appeared ... 1197 01: 12: 33,424 --> 01: 12: 35,784 ... and just finished a few minutes ago. 1198 01: 12: 35,904 --> 01: 12: 39,184 Special agent for HSI ... 1199 01: 12: 39,304 --> 01: 12: 43,904 ... who testified to say, "Thousands of drug envelopes ..." 1200 01: 12: 46,104 --> 01: 12: 48,984 I think everyone is surprised to see Ross Ulbricht and his lawyer ... 1201 01: 12: 49,104 --> 01: 12: 51,884 ... attended this trial from the start instead of making an agreement ... 1202 01: 12: 51,984 --> 01: 12: 55,124 ... which everyone thinks. And today, we see why ... 1203 01: 12: 55,224 --> 01: 12: 59,364 ... where we see interesting alternative story ... 1204 01: 12: 59,464 --> 01: 13: 01,904 ... how about the whole this case has been played. 1205 01: 13: 02,024 --> 01: 13: 06,104 The story that Dratel said that Ross created Silk Road ... 1206 01: 13: 06,224 --> 01: 13: 08,044 ...which is awesome initial recognition ... 1207 01: 13: 08,144 --> 01: 13: 12,264 ... and the original Silk Road operator, Pirate Roberts Dread traps him. 1208 01: 13: 12,384 --> 01: 13: 15,884 This is a theory I've never heard of ... 1209 01: 13: 15,984 --> 01: 13: 19,984 ... that instead of Ross being Pirate Roberts Dread, he was even framed. 1210 01: 13: 20,864 --> 01: 13: 23,524 However, this is something that should be I thought before ... 1211 1:13: 23,624 --> 01: 13: 27,024 ... because that's what Dread Pirate said Roberts when I interviewed him ... 1212 01: 13: 27,144 --> 01: 13: 30,684 ... in July 2013 that he did not create Silk Road. 1213 01: 13: 30,784 --> 01: 13: 35,344 He inherited it from its creator, some kind of business acquisition. 1214 01:13: 35,624 --> 01: 13: 39,264 The FBI told me that Ross Ulbricht tricked me. 1215 01: 13: 39,384 --> 01: 13: 43,064 If that is a lie then it is necessary a lot of planning ahead ... 1216 01: 13: 43,184 --> 01: 13: 48,344 ... like a chess game. 1217 01: 13: 49,304 --> 01: 13: 52,804 On the first day of the trial, claimants present evidence ... 1218 01: 13: 52,904 --> 01: 13: 57,603 ... Ross keeps records on the laptop explained his involvement on Silk Road ... 1219 01: 13: 57,703 --> 01: 14: 01,363 ... and Bitcoin that was confiscated from the laptop came from the site. 1220 01: 14: 01,463 --> 01: 14: 04,523 While defenders argue that Ross left Silk Road ... 1221 01: 14: 04,623 --> 01: 14: 09,583 ... after creating it and notes and Bitcoin is inserted into the laptop. 1222 01: 14: 09,703 --> 01: 14: 11,763 Andy, you interviewed Pirate Roberts Dread. 1223 01: 14: 11,863 --> 01: 14: 15,803 What proof is connecting Dread Pirate Roberts on Ulbricht? 1224 01: 14: 15,903 --> 01: 14: 18,803 In the first week of the trial, which is still running ... 1225 01: 14: 18,903 --> 01: 14: 21,543 ... we see the prosecutor have a strong case. 1226 01: 14: 21,663 --> 01: 14: 24,203 They confiscated his laptop and find the note he kept. 1227 01: 14: 24,303 --> 01: 14: 26,983 If that's really Ulbricht's note. His defense does not justify. 1228 01: 14: 27,103 --> 01: 14: 29,643 He documents the administration this site for years. 1229 01: 14: 29,743 --> 01: 14: 31,343 He has a record of daily activities. 1230 01: 14: 31,663 --> 01: 14: 34,303 So this is a strong case which makes it difficult ... 1231 01: 14: 34,423 --> 01: 14: 36,523 ... Ulbricht to fight it. 1232 01: 14: 36,623 --> 01: 14: 38,523 Inside the Deep Web ... 1233 01: 14: 38,623 --> 01: 14: 42,683 ... we have an area where this young man, according to the government, ... 1234 01: 14: 42,783 --> 01: 14: 45,323 ... has made a decision that he will run ... 1235 01: 14: 45,423 --> 01: 14: 49,923 ... the kingdom of illegal drugs and we have to stop you ... 1236 01: 14: 50,023 --> 01: 14: 54,223 ... sue you quickly and give you punishment. 1237 01: 14: 55,463 --> 01: 14: 59,423 As the trial continues, Dratel plans uncover evidence of the government ... 1238 01: 14: 59,543 --> 01: 15: 03,623 ... which shows they are suspicious some people run Silk Road. 1239 01: 15: 03,823 --> 01: 15: 07,183 During cross checking with DHS agent Der-Yeghiayan, ... 1240 01:15: 07,303 --> 01: 15: 11,203 ... Dratel explained that the agent have long suspected other people ... 1241 01:15: 11,303 --> 01:15: 13,263 ... as Dread Pirate Roberts ... 1242 01: 15: 13,383 --> 01: 15: 16,303 ... trying to find a warrant for this suspect. 1243 01: 15: 16,903 --> 01:15: 19,843 Prosecutors questioned whole statement ... 1244 01:15: 19,943 --> 01:15: 21,683 ... on the basis of that it's just hearsay. 1245 01: 15: 21,783 --> 01:15: 25,383 The judge sided with the prosecutor and Dratel is no longer allowed ... 1246 01: 15: 25,503 --> 01:15: 28,563 ... to ask government witnesses regarding alternative suspects ... 1247 01: 15: 28,663 --> 01: 15: 31,183 ... that came from proof of the government itself. 1248 01: 15: 31,303 --> 01: 15: 34,243 When it's Dratel time explained his defense ... 1249 01: 15: 34,343 --> 01:15: 36,163 ... he intends to use expert witnesses ... 1250 01: 15: 36,263 --> 01:15: 40,383 ... to explain complex technology behind encryption and cryptographic currencies ... 1251 01: 15: 40,503 --> 01: 15: 44,963 ... that proves that note and Bitcoin does not belong to Ross. 1252 01: 15: 45,063 --> 01: 15: 47,323 The prosecutor objected for the witness ... 1253 01: 15: 47,423 --> 01:15: 49,983 ... claiming that it should notified before the trial ... 1254 01: 15: 50,103 --> 01: 15: 53,643 ... and they don't need to explain to the jury. 1255 01: 15: 53,743 --> 01: 15: 56,303 Once again, the judge sided with the prosecutor ... 1256 01: 15: 56,423 --> 01: 16: 00,343 ... which states that the case is not need special knowledge. 1257 01: 16: 00,703 --> 01: 16: 03,123 Without expert witnesses and unable to pursue ... 1258 01: 16: 03,223 --> 01: 16: 05,923 ... proof of the government itself on the suspicion of another DPR ... 1259 01: 16: 06,023 --> 01: 16: 09,763 ... all of Dratel's defense was blocked. 1260 01: 16: 09,863 --> 01: 16: 13,223 The trial ended abruptly the next day. 1261 01: 16: 19,023 --> 01: 16: 23,183 Trial Ross Ulbricht raises more questions. 1262 01: 16: 23,303 --> 01: 16: 27,643 Do we really know the whole truth of the Silk Road case? 1263 01: 16: 27,743 --> 01: 16: 30,243 Is this case a role model search without mail ... 1264 01: 16: 30,343 --> 01: 16: 32,723 ... on digital property of Americans? 1265 01: 16: 32,823 --> 01: 16: 36,543 Whatever the end result, it's clear that the fall of the Silk Road ... 1266 01: 16: 36,663 --> 01: 16: 39,462 ... is not an end, but a beginning. 1267 01: 16: 39,782 --> 01: 16: 44,002 And movement to make tools and services for online privacy ... 1268 01: 16: 44,102 --> 01: 16: 46,022 ... getting stronger. 1269 01: 16: 46,142 --> 01: 16: 48,282 The Silk Road trial masterminded by Ross Ulbricht ... 1270 01: 16: 48,382 --> 01: 16: 51,362 ... concluded that the jury stated he was guilty of seven different charges ... 1271 01: 16: 51,462 --> 01: 16: 55,242 ... including three drug charges as well computer hacking, money laundering ... 1272 01: 16: 55,342 --> 01: 16: 59,182 ... even the charges become kingpin of a criminal company. 1273 01: 16: 59,382 --> 01: 17: 01,922 Ulbricht faces 30 years minimum prison ... 1274 01: 17: 02,022 --> 01: 17: 04,222 ... but the defenders plan appeal against this decision. 1275 01: 17: 04,342 --> 01: 17: 06,242 Anyone here, all of us, ... 1276 01: 17: 06,342 --> 01: 17: 10,262 ... will be judged by things not related to the real world. 1277 01: 17: 10,502 --> 01: 17: 12,602 But related to the Internet ... 1278 01: 17: 12,702 --> 01: 17: 16,682 ... for the things we change, codify, edit, move, hack. 1279 01: 17: 16,782 --> 01: 17: 19,382 - Is this a fair trial? - I do not think so. 1280 01: 17: 21,582 --> 01: 17: 25,882 As per the decision read, the word "guilty" is pronounced seven times. 1281 01: 17: 25,982 --> 01: 17: 29,802 Ross just looked forward. I don't know what his face meant. 1282 01: 17: 29,902 --> 01: 17: 32,522 Then he turned away to see his family ... 1283 01: 17: 32,622 --> 01: 17: 35,962 ... and he smiled steadily but was heartbreaking. 1284 01: 17: 36,062 --> 01: 17: 39,542 And he doesn't cry, but he just blinks ... 1285 01: 17: 39,662 --> 01: 17: 41,922 ... blinking firmly. 1286 01: 17: 42,022 --> 01: 17: 43,742 And... 1287 01: 17: 44,542 --> 01: 17: 48,582 ... when he was taken away, his mother said, "This is not the end." 1288 01: 17: 49,262 --> 01: 17: 52,302 That is all. 1289 01: 17: 55,942 --> 01: 17: 58,782 The evidence against Ulbricht is very strong ... 1290 01: 17: 58,902 --> 01: 18: 02,762 ... and the Dratel strategy for cross check government witnesses ... 1291 01: 18: 02,862 --> 01: 18: 06,182 ... and draw alternative conclusions from the examination. 1292 01: 18: 06,302 --> 01: 18: 08,782 And when the judge stopped him and say... 1293 01: 18: 08,902 --> 01: 18: 13,482 ... you have to limit cross examination within the scope of the government ... 1294 01: 18: 13,582 --> 01: 18: 19,542 ... which prevented him from explaining another story. 1295 01: 18: 22,662 --> 01: 18: 26,602 We have a far perspective stronger than the whole world. 1296 01: 18: 26,702 --> 01: 18: 31,242 We have a meeting with Josh several years and three months ... 1297 01: 18: 31,342 --> 01: 18: 32,582 ... ordinary meeting. 1298 01: 18: 32,702 --> 01: 18: 37,342 We knew he felt he would win case in cross examination. 1299 01: 18: 38,022 --> 01: 18: 43,822 We know the government is banning witnesses. 1300 01: 18: 44,862 --> 01: 18: 49,982 We are in the courtroom, we saw what happened and ... 1301 01: 18: 50,422 --> 01: 18: 54,142 ... a joke that ... 1302 01: 18: 54,702 --> 01: 18: 56,942 ... interfering with the trial. 1303 01: 18: 57,062 --> 01: 19: 01,662 There are 5,000 pages of proof of government for one witness ... 1304 01: 19: 01,782 --> 01: 19: 05,082 ... Jarod Der-Yeghiayan. None is permitted. 1305 01: 19: 05,182 --> 01: 19: 08,822 5,000 pages and just thrown away ten days before the trial. 1306 1: 19: 08,942 --> 01: 19: 14,022 2,500 pages for other witnesses discarded a week before the trial. 1307 01: 19: 14,142 --> 01: 19: 18,862 And it is full of evidence which relieves Ross ... 1308 1: 19: 18,982 --> 01: 19: 21,122 ... which is not allowed to be used. 1309 01: 19: 21,222 --> 01: 19: 25,881 All this much evidence ... 1310 01: 19: 25,981 --> 01: 19: 31,101 ... consisting of 3,000 ingredients, a week before the trial, that ... 1311 01: 19: 31,941 --> 01: 19: 34,081 ... can help prove it Ross's innocence ... 1312 01: 19: 34,181 --> 01: 19: 38,481 ... not allowed into the courtroom. 1313 01: 19: 38,581 --> 01: 19: 41,701 That would be a different case. This trial will not happen. 1314 01: 19: 41,821 --> 01: 19: 44,261 That won't happen because ... 1315 01: 19: 44,381 --> 01: 19: 49,421 ... just the claimant's story we heard. 1316 01: 19: 52,541 --> 01: 19: 54,941 Then what about hacking Silk Road server? 1317 01: 19: 55,061 --> 01: 19: 57,241 What about the case precedent issue? 1318 01: 19: 57,341 --> 01:20: 01,741 We haven't heard it yet. We haven't heard ... 1319 01: 20: 01,861 --> 01: 20: 03,981 ... the FBI said how ... 1320 01: 20: 04,101 --> 01: 20: 07,281 ... and we just decided what is legal or illegal. 1321 01: 20: 07,381 --> 01: 20: 10,341 Maybe that's the most confusing thing from a legal standpoint ... 1322 01: 20: 10,461 --> 01:20: 15,241 ... namely American law enforcement hacking overseas servers ... 1323 01: 20: 15,341 --> 01:20: 17,721 ... and they don't have warrant... 1324 01: 20: 17,821 --> 01: 20: 21,561 ... and they are free from that and no ... 1325 01: 20: 21,661 --> 01:20: 24,761 ... whoever asked that. 1326 01: 20: 24,861 --> 01:20: 27,921 - How about Ross through this? - She's an amazing child. 1327 01: 20: 28,021 --> 01:20: 31,141 He handled this better than me. 1328 01: 20: 31,261 --> 01: 20: 34,701 I don't know what I can if in his position ... 1329 01: 20: 34,821 --> 01: 20: 38,581 ... and become the subject of conversation several years. 1330 01: 20: 38,861 --> 01:20: 41,301 And we pray that ... 1331 01: 20: 41,861 --> 01: 20: 44,621 ... his spirit won't destroyed because of this. 1332 01: 20: 46,301 --> 01: 20: 48,221 Looks at Ross's understanding of Silk Road, ... 1333 01: 20: 48,341 --> 01:20: 51,141 ... and run the site. 1334 01: 20: 51,261 --> 01:20: 54,081 I really accept the government has done that. 1335 01: 20: 54,181 --> 01: 20: 58,501 But Ross Ulbricht is interesting character. 1336 01: 20: 58,621 --> 01: 21: 00,601 He found this smart idea. 1337 01: 21: 00,701 --> 01: 21: 03,161 He has principles. He is not just a cyber criminal. 1338 01: 21: 03,261 --> 01: 21: 07,641 He is not just a drug kingpin as people say. 1339 01: 21: 07,741 --> 01: 21: 10,121 He is also an idealist. 1340 1: 21: 10,221 --> 01: 21: 13,861 And my thinking becomes contrary between ... 1341 01: 21: 13,981 --> 01: 21: 16,581 ... virtues on Silk Road and Ross Ulbricht as a human ... 1342 01: 21: 16,701 --> 01: 21: 18,281 I think for the rest of my life. 1343 01: 21: 18,381 --> 01: 21: 21,301 I won't be able to sum up all this. 1344 01: 21: 23,621 --> 01: 21: 26,521 On March 25, 2015, criminal complaint filed ... 1345 1: 21: 26,621 --> 01: 21: 30,571 ... over two former federal agents lead the Silk Road task force in Baltimore. 1346 01: 21: 30,671 --> 01: 21: 34,301 Among other complaints, this agent is suspected steal a million dollars more Bitcoin ... 1347 01: 21: 34,401 --> 01: 21: 37,761 ... from Silk Road and transferred to their personal account. 1348 01: 21: 38,281 --> 01: 21: 41,841 The government does not allow Ulbricht's defender ... 1349 1: 21: 41,941 --> 01: 21: 46,581 ...to discuss this criminal investigation during the trial. 1350 01: 21: 47,931 --> 01: 21: 51,171 On May 29, 2015, Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison ... 1351 01: 21: 51,291 --> 01: 21: 54,911 ... without possibility parole. 1352 01: 22: 02,311 --> 01: 22: 04,791 I have no idea. Anymore question or do we finish it? 1353 01: 22: 04,911 --> 01: 22: 10,991 Yes. What would you do next five years? 1354 01: 22: 11,551 --> 01: 22: 13,511 In one sentence. 1355 01: 22: 25,350 --> 01: 22: 28,510 I'll do a few things, being one sentence is not enough. 1356 01: 22: 28,630 --> 01: 22: 32,630 But I want to start a family next five years. 1357 01: 22: 32,750 --> 01: 22: 34,430 Nice. OK. 1358 01: 22: 34,670 --> 01: 22: 36,430 And... 1359 01: 22: 36,550 --> 01: 22: 39,930 And get acquainted with other friends ... 1360 01: 22: 40,030 --> 01: 22: 42,730 ... and close to the people I love. 1361 01: 22: 42,830 --> 01: 22: 45,110 Yes. Focus on... 1362 01: 22: 46,510 --> 01: 22: 48,630 ...human relationship. 1363 01: 22: 49,070 --> 01: 22: 52,950 And 20 years? 1364 01: 22: 53,950 --> 01: 22: 56,110 20 years. 1365 01: 22: 58,110 --> 01: 23: 00,450 I want to have ... 1366 01: 23: 00,550 --> 01: 23: 04,630 ... a big positive impact for the future of humanity. 1367 01: 23: 04,750 --> 01: 23: 06,490 Do you think you will live forever? 1368 01: 23: 06,590 --> 01: 23: 08,670 I think that's possible. 1369 01: 23: 09,310 --> 01: 23: 12,830 Really. I think I might live forever in several forms ... 1370 01: 23: 12,950 --> 01: 23: 16,430 ... with the rapid development of technology. 1371 01: 23: 17,510 --> 01: 23: 20,150 Cool I wish I was there. 1372 01: 23: 21,830 --> 01: 23: 23,550 Nice. 1373 01: 23: 24,690 --> 01: 23: 28,830 One day, we can be the lighthouse shining from the hopes of oppressed people ... 1374 01: 23: 28,930 --> 01: 23: 33,350 ... just like the oppressed and hurt souls who have found shelter here. 1375 01: 23: 33,450 --> 01: 23: 35,650 Will it happen overnight? Not. 1376 01: 23: 35,750 --> 01: 23: 38,530 Will that happen for life? I do not know. 1377 01: 23: 38,630 --> 01: 23: 42,430 Is this worth fighting for until the end of my life? Of course. 1378 01: 23: 42,530 --> 01: 23: 46,748 When you see what's possible, how can you do the opposite? 1379 01: 23: 51,473 --> 01: 26: 21,473