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Every human
being that comes to this planet

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has a fight.

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The ultimate opponent
is actually truth.

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The truth will wean
out everything else.

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- Fighting for your identity
or for who you are for real

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is one of the hardest
things you have to do.

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- Boxing, I think,
is conquering not

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only your opponent,
but yourself.

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You've got to
transcend your fear

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and reach deep down
to a part of you

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that you may not
even know is there.

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The heroic nature of boxing

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is something that's undeniable.

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There is skill,
there's expertise,

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but there's always this
possibility of tremendous loss.

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Boxing is just the anticipation.

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It's one punch and
it's all over with.

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- A lucky punch can
turn a guy into a star.

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And being caught
when he's not looking

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could turn a star to
a shadow of himself.

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- Rich kids don't go into boxing.

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Boxing is a way
out of the ghetto.

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One minute, a boxer is
not getting anything.

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The next minute, he's
signing a contract

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for millions of dollars.

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How do you handle that?

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The sport itself,
there's a purity to it.

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But the business
might be the most

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unsanitized of all businesses.

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- Boxing is one of those
sports where the toughest

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motherfuckers in the world are
letting some guys that couldn't

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make it take advantage of them.

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It's a reflection of our society

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and your ability
to achieve dreams,

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but it's also a reflection
of our society and the fact

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that we are unquestionably
divided between the haves

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and the have nots.

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- It's not an easy way
to make a living,

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and it's the most
dangerous sport there is.

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But that's the risk you take.

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- I'm the youngest of
nine in my family.

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As you can see, a
black little boy.

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Black and came from
people call it the ghetto.

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My mother didn't read,
my father didn't read,

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and so they were hard workers.

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And that was my beginning.

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When you live in
a project, people

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throw their trash on the ground.

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We were the family
that picked the trash

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up and put it in the dumpster.

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And people looked and
would laugh at us.

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My mother said, you know, you
live in this environment.

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You don't have to be like that.

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Of course, people
had money and they

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used their money
in the wrong way.

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My mother didn't buy
clothes or toys.

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She bought food.

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She knew that this is what
we need to be able to live.

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- My upbringing, it was four
sisters, three brothers.

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Coming out of Philadelphia
is a task itself,

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especially in the inner
city called North Philly.

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In the morning, we'd get
up to my mother saying, OK.

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Get up, get ready for
school, this and that.

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You had to ration out two cans
of pork and beans with six kids

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and try to mix other
stuff in there

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to call it something different.

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Mom, it's the same
pork and beans.

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It's just got other meats in
it that make it something else.

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My father was one of the
guys that got up every day,

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did what he had to do.

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I never seen him sell
drugs, anything like that,

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but I know that he used drugs.

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I know that he drank.

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So I had the two parent
structure in the house,

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but it was a family
where we was tight,

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but there were some
things that wasn't

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as I would say a
normal family would be.

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- The worst characteristics
you could think of black life

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is where I stem from.

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A lot of drugs.

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Tons of violence.

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My parents sold women.

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They were in the sex
industry and stuff.

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That's what they did.

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We weren't safe in the house.

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We were always vulnerable.

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A lot of men sleep with
my sister, beat me.

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- There was a pattern of
abuse that Mike experienced.

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Bullies in the neighborhood
which routinely would pick

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on him, but also Mike was
beaten by his mother.

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His father was
pretty much absent.

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My mother's very promiscuous.

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It was just the way life was.

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Everybody I knew had
just their mother at home

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or their mother's boyfriend.

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Nobody was ever with his father.

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I don't know that world.

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My whole world is just lost
kids with broken homes.

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You know, forget poverty.

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I don't care how much
money you get, or game.

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Forget that.

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Poverty hurts and leaves
an everlasting effect,

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impression on you.

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- Poverty has its own
self perpetuating logic.

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When you are strapped
for cash and you

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need to survive
in the short term,

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you start to adopt certain
practices that in the long term

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end up preventing you from
taking advantage of all

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the opportunities that
may be out there for you.

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- We came in on the
era where it really

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got a little worse, where
nobody had anything.

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You couldn't tease me about
my mother being on welfare

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because your mother
was on welfare.

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Childhood poverty oftentimes

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leads to adult poverty, and
you get locked in these ruts.

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So not only are these
worse environments,

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but they find it much
harder to escape.

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All these ills work together
to create very strong barriers

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to upward mobility, and
very hard to still believe

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the American dream is out there.

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- The American dream is something
that we're all proud of, we all

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embrace, yet it's a
little bit dangerous.

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America may be one of the
richest countries in the world,

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but we also have
the largest pockets

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of poverty in the
developed countries.

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One in five children
in the United States

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grows up in poverty.

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America has, by far, the
most unequal distribution

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of income and wealth
in the developed world.

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Yet, the idea of the American
Dream is, in a sense,

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what keeps the whole
system running.

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- I know what it is when people
move away from you because they

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think that they're gonna
catch what you got.

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They think they're gonna get
poor if they get to know you.

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- I was just always
searching for something.

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I didn't like my
life at home, so I

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wanted to have a
family somewhere else.

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I tried to find a new family.

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People that I hung around

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was in the same
situation that I was in.

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You went on like you
was going to school,

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but in reality, we was in the
area, but not in the classroom.

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We stayed around the school,
but not actually in the school.

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And eventually, people do
find out, but after a while,

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you get lost in the system.

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- When I went to
school, they said

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we wasn't gonna be anything.

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They said, we're
gonna be statistics.

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You're not articulate.

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You don't know your ABCs
and the simple stuff.

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And my mom always said, so
they read better than you.

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Who's the fastest
in your school?

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I said fastest at what?

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She said, running.

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Who run the fastest?

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I outran everybody.

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My mom says, there's things that
you do better than that person.

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I said, but momma, they
don't talk about that.

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Your day will come.

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- My goal wasn't to be the
president of the United States.

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My goal was to be the
baddest guy that I can be.

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We just basically
looked at school

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as being no fun, no action,
and if you do catch us there,

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it's gym where we get
to play basketball.

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We could just do
things that we thought

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was more important than
reading, and writing,

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and science, and history.

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I stopped going to school

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because people were
kicking my ass.

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I just walk around the
school 'til school is over

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because I didn't wanna
get my ass kicked.

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One day, these guys
came around me.

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Three or four guys.

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They pinned me up against
the wall and they say, hey.

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Yo.

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Got any money?

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I said, no.

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So the guy says this.

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He said, uh, do you
wanna fly with us?

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And I didn't know him.

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It's a kid, 10 or nine.

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I'm saying, OK.

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So I'm helping these
guys to this building.

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This is like an
abandoned building.

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And I see a box,
and it's pigeons.

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And pigeons are flying.

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I said, what the hell.

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Now I know there's
a place to hang

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out with birds and these guys.

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So I said, OK.

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I'd rather be there than be
in school and get bullied.

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So I went back to the coop.

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I said, need me to
do anything for you.

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They said, yeah.

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And he took me robbing houses.

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And... Whoa.

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And he didn't give
me much money,

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but he bought me clothes.

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He bought me clothes.

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There are a
number of reasons, I think,

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why he kind of
embraced the thug life.

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One of which is, if you have
a community of people who

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are watching your back, then
you're going to be protected.

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And now he's buying the
coolest velour sweatsuits,

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and he's buying ski goggles even
though he's never been anywhere

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near a ski slope, and he's
buying the greatest kicks.

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So now, status in
that environment

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is who looks the coolest.

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- The role models that I've seen
was the people in the street.

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The pimps, the number
writers, the hustlers.

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They had the cars,
they had the jewelry,

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they had all the things
that shine in your face.

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As you grow up and
you grow up fast,

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you get to know what they're
doing is not right, but got

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them a lot of things and made
them live different or better

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than every working class
person in the streets.

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That's the situation

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for a lot of young
people out there.

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They could step off the
porch with all the values

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in the world their mom gave
them and dad can give them.

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When they step off that
porch into that den,

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they've got to deal
with it accordingly.

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You can go out there and turn
the other cheek if you want to.

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All they're gonna do
is hit you in the head

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and take that earring too.

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So you had to adapt.

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Those that adapt well become
predators out there themselves.

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To me, it wasn't a hard choice.

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I was the type of guy had no
conscience of value of my life

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and repercussions of what I do.

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When you think that
the value of your life

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it's not that much
concern on your actions,

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then that is a time
bomb waiting to blow.

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Ain't no rules.

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You don't get
disqualified for busting

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a nigga over the
head with something.

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When you get hurt
back, either your fear

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consumes you or you
become a bit insensitive.

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Either you gonna
be a punk, or you

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gonna start to harden up a
little bit following that.

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However you handle yourself,
you make it clear to people

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that you don't have
a problem with it.

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Matter of fact, make them
feel like you want the shit.

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- In an environment that I
grew up in, which was animal,

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which was survival of the
fittest, which was do or die,

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you have to be strategic.

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Very few of us

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grow up in fear, because
we live in this,

250
00:12:47,334 --> 00:12:49,901
and we're taught early
we can't be afraid of it.

251
00:12:49,903 --> 00:12:53,571
Whenever we're confronted with
an obstacle in the streets

252
00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:57,008
of a physical nature, the
first thing we think of

253
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is how to dissect the obstacle.

254
00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:16,828
- My dream started
off with a coach

255
00:13:16,830 --> 00:13:20,231
told me I could be the
heavyweight champion

256
00:13:20,233 --> 00:13:21,065
of the world.

257
00:13:21,067 --> 00:13:22,967
And I asked him, what was it.

258
00:13:22,969 --> 00:13:26,237
And he said, Muhammad Ali.

259
00:13:26,239 --> 00:13:28,072
He said, do you
know Muhammad Ali.

260
00:13:28,074 --> 00:13:29,574
I said, yeah.

261
00:13:29,576 --> 00:13:31,216
And he said, you could
be just like that.

262
00:13:35,649 --> 00:13:39,350
First goal was to be
the Boys Club champ.

263
00:13:39,352 --> 00:13:43,288
I wanted to be great, because I
already know how it feels not

264
00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:45,490
to be great, because
I grew up in it.

265
00:13:48,962 --> 00:13:50,682
In one fight, I became
the Boys Club champ.

266
00:13:53,433 --> 00:13:57,569
Every year, I would
win the tournament.

267
00:13:57,571 --> 00:13:59,771
Boxing's
interesting in that it's

268
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an escape from the
violence and poverty

269
00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:05,243
of many American
neighborhoods, but you're

270
00:14:05,245 --> 00:14:07,345
escaping through
violence itself.

271
00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,514
- People who fight
fight their way out

272
00:14:09,516 --> 00:14:12,450
of something, whether it's
poverty, whether it's jail.

273
00:14:12,452 --> 00:14:13,518
Rich kids don't fight.

274
00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,020
Why the fuck would
a rich kid fight?

275
00:14:16,022 --> 00:14:17,655
Poor kids fight.

276
00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:20,391
You want to fight your
way to a different place.

277
00:14:20,393 --> 00:14:21,726
Boxing gives you a chance

278
00:14:21,728 --> 00:14:23,728
to literally fight
your way through it.

279
00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:26,698
Boxers succeed based
on their own work.

280
00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:30,134
If you keep winning, and you
keep succeeding, chances are,

281
00:14:30,136 --> 00:14:32,737
eventually, you're going
to get an opportunity.

282
00:14:32,739 --> 00:14:34,772
Boxing is
the ultimate representation

283
00:14:34,774 --> 00:14:36,608
of the American dream.

284
00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:42,680
It allows someone who came from
nothing to achieve greatness.

285
00:14:42,682 --> 00:14:45,250
It's about his talent,
his own skill,

286
00:14:45,252 --> 00:14:47,352
and his own determination.

287
00:14:47,354 --> 00:14:48,887
Boxing is such a special sport.

288
00:14:48,889 --> 00:14:50,655
I think most people
don't choose boxing.

289
00:14:50,657 --> 00:14:52,123
I think boxing chooses them.

290
00:14:52,125 --> 00:14:55,226
Disadvantaged childhood,
less fortunate kids

291
00:14:55,228 --> 00:14:56,928
in tough communities.

292
00:14:56,930 --> 00:15:00,198
And we grew up boxing
at the Boys Club.

293
00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,100
We were able to go there
and we had somebody

294
00:15:02,102 --> 00:15:04,402
who cared about us, who wanted
to take us off the streets

295
00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:05,603
and give us something to do.

296
00:15:05,605 --> 00:15:08,139
- If you look at the history
of boxing over time,

297
00:15:08,141 --> 00:15:11,609
you'll see some of the
cultures and ethnicities that

298
00:15:11,611 --> 00:15:13,111
have suffered the
most have always

299
00:15:13,113 --> 00:15:15,213
produced the greatest champions.

300
00:15:15,215 --> 00:15:17,749
Boxing both attracts and preys

301
00:15:17,751 --> 00:15:21,853
upon talent from
disadvantaged communities.

302
00:15:21,855 --> 00:15:24,722
And it's almost like you
can read a chart of history

303
00:15:24,724 --> 00:15:27,725
of disadvantage, in the United
States, at least, of which

304
00:15:27,727 --> 00:15:30,962
groups are struggling to make it
and then which groups have made

305
00:15:30,964 --> 00:15:34,232
it when they disappear,
really, from the boxing scene.

306
00:15:34,234 --> 00:15:36,000
- Especially in America where
you had the immigrants.

307
00:15:36,002 --> 00:15:39,203
You had the Jewish
boxers, the Irish boxers,

308
00:15:39,205 --> 00:15:42,540
the Italian American boxers,
African American boxers.

309
00:15:42,542 --> 00:15:44,108
Now it's, I would
say, predominantly.

310
00:15:44,110 --> 00:15:46,144
Hispanic boxers now.

311
00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:47,745
There's a certain generation

312
00:15:47,747 --> 00:15:50,515
with Mike, and
Evander, and Bernard.

313
00:15:50,517 --> 00:15:52,750
Black kids who
were disadvantaged

314
00:15:52,752 --> 00:15:56,888
and saw boxing as a way out.

315
00:15:56,890 --> 00:15:58,723
I lived
in an all black neighborhood

316
00:15:58,725 --> 00:16:02,961
and everybody said white
boys couldn't fight.

317
00:16:02,963 --> 00:16:06,898
And that's my first time
experiencing that people tell

318
00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:11,970
you lies, because that kid was
white and he beat me twice.

319
00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:14,973
I told the coach that I quit.

320
00:16:14,975 --> 00:16:17,275
Told him I didn't want to fight
anymore, because I didn't think

321
00:16:17,277 --> 00:16:20,912
you could actually be a
champion if you lost.

322
00:16:20,914 --> 00:16:26,084
So I went home told my momma I
lost, and I told her I quit.

323
00:16:26,086 --> 00:16:32,156
And she told me something that
has impacted my life even now.

324
00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:33,491
She said, son.

325
00:16:33,493 --> 00:16:36,894
Everything is not gonna
always go your way.

326
00:16:36,896 --> 00:16:39,464
If you quit, you'll never
reach your destination.

327
00:16:39,466 --> 00:16:42,066
She said, what is
your destination.

328
00:16:42,068 --> 00:16:44,602
I said, be the heavyweight
champion of the world.

329
00:16:44,604 --> 00:16:48,272
Of course, I went back
and I finally beat him,

330
00:16:48,274 --> 00:16:54,445
and that fight kind of changed
my whole aspect about winning.

331
00:16:58,918 --> 00:17:01,853
I kept getting
in trouble with the law.

332
00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:03,488
One particular time,
I got in trouble

333
00:17:03,490 --> 00:17:06,324
and I went upstate New York.

334
00:17:06,326 --> 00:17:10,194
I had a reputation as
a troublemaker there.

335
00:17:10,196 --> 00:17:12,130
I had to be locked
down most of the time.

336
00:17:12,132 --> 00:17:14,265
I couldn't go outside
with the rest of the kids.

337
00:17:14,267 --> 00:17:17,702
Weekends, I would see
guys go on the other side.

338
00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:18,870
And I would say,
what's going on,

339
00:17:18,872 --> 00:17:20,772
because I would see
guys coming back,

340
00:17:20,774 --> 00:17:23,908
swollen eyes, busted
nose, busted lips.

341
00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:27,578
The most interesting thing about
it is that they were happy.

342
00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:29,147
When they would come back,
they're all beat up,

343
00:17:29,149 --> 00:17:30,248
but they're happy.

344
00:17:30,250 --> 00:17:32,984
And I would say, what's
going on over there.

345
00:17:32,986 --> 00:17:36,054
And they said, Mr. Stewart
is boxing with the inmates.

346
00:17:36,056 --> 00:17:41,225
Mr. Stewart is probably 160
pounds, white Irish guy.

347
00:17:41,227 --> 00:17:42,860
I never fought before
with gloves on,

348
00:17:42,862 --> 00:17:44,629
but I just knew I could beat Mr.
Stewart's white ass.

349
00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:47,498
I just knew I could beat him.

350
00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:51,235
I'm just flaring away, and
he had hit me in my stomach,

351
00:17:51,237 --> 00:17:53,571
and I had went
down, and I started

352
00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:55,706
throwing up everything
I ate for two days.

353
00:17:55,708 --> 00:17:57,041
Just blech.

354
00:17:57,043 --> 00:18:00,211
So I asked him to
start teaching me.

355
00:18:00,213 --> 00:18:01,779
He wouldn't teach
me unless I started

356
00:18:01,781 --> 00:18:03,481
behaving around the facilities.

357
00:18:03,483 --> 00:18:06,784
And once I made my honor
rolls and started doing well

358
00:18:06,786 --> 00:18:08,953
in school, he started
teaching me how to box.

359
00:18:08,955 --> 00:18:12,090
- Bobby Stewart immediately
saw the potential in Mike,

360
00:18:12,092 --> 00:18:14,258
and Bobby said, if you're
serious about this,

361
00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:17,728
I'll take you to see
this old guy in Catskill.

362
00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:19,964
- Soon as Cus D'Amato
saw me spar,

363
00:18:19,966 --> 00:18:22,500
he was planning my
life out for me.

364
00:18:22,502 --> 00:18:24,502
First day he met me.

365
00:18:24,504 --> 00:18:27,338
Cus was a kind of gruff guy.

366
00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:30,608
He didn't display any emotion.

367
00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:33,277
At the end of this session,
Cus turned to Bobby and said,

368
00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:35,079
this guy's going to be the
future heavyweight champion

369
00:18:35,081 --> 00:18:36,280
of the world.

370
00:18:39,085 --> 00:18:42,320
At that time, I was
about to be paroled back to New

371
00:18:42,322 --> 00:18:44,822
York, and he didn't want me
to go back because he believed

372
00:18:44,824 --> 00:18:46,891
I would get in trouble,
I'd get killed.

373
00:18:46,893 --> 00:18:49,026
He asked me would I be
interested in staying with him.

374
00:18:49,028 --> 00:18:51,562
And I said, why, sure.

375
00:18:51,564 --> 00:18:54,532
I didn't want to go back to the
disgusting, wretched tenements

376
00:18:54,534 --> 00:18:57,168
that we lived in.

377
00:18:57,170 --> 00:19:01,672
This guy had a wonderful
like 14 room mansion.

378
00:19:01,674 --> 00:19:02,640
Roses and stuff.

379
00:19:02,642 --> 00:19:04,208
I never saw that stuff.

380
00:19:04,210 --> 00:19:06,844
For the
beginning of that period,

381
00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:11,149
Mike was still
living in two worlds.

382
00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:12,717
While he was in
Brownsville, he'd

383
00:19:12,719 --> 00:19:14,085
fall in with his old
friends and they'd

384
00:19:14,087 --> 00:19:16,020
go out and start jostling.

385
00:19:16,022 --> 00:19:18,322
Mike's first street
mentor, this guy.

386
00:19:18,324 --> 00:19:21,826
Barqueem, I think they
saw some pictures of Mike

387
00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:25,329
with Cus and with Camille, and
they looked, and he said, man.

388
00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:26,964
Mike, these white people.

389
00:19:26,966 --> 00:19:28,799
It looks like they love you.

390
00:19:28,801 --> 00:19:30,334
And Mike said, yeah, yeah.

391
00:19:30,336 --> 00:19:31,702
They love me.

392
00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:34,472
And he goes... Barqueem says,
what are you doing here, man.

393
00:19:34,474 --> 00:19:36,040
If I had white
people that loved me,

394
00:19:36,042 --> 00:19:37,742
I wouldn't stick around here.

395
00:19:37,744 --> 00:19:38,910
And everybody in
the neighborhood

396
00:19:38,912 --> 00:19:40,611
is telling Mike, go.

397
00:19:40,613 --> 00:19:42,280
Get out of here.

398
00:19:42,282 --> 00:19:46,584
At least 30% of all the families
in Brownsville at that time

399
00:19:46,586 --> 00:19:49,220
had no father figures.

400
00:19:49,222 --> 00:19:50,755
I think when we look at boxing,

401
00:19:50,757 --> 00:19:53,824
we see a number
of men who grew up

402
00:19:53,826 --> 00:19:56,627
without a father in the home.

403
00:19:56,629 --> 00:20:00,598
But what's key is, they
grew up in circumstances

404
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,234
where the family was redefined.

405
00:20:03,236 --> 00:20:08,372
The trainers became part of
this larger extended family.

406
00:20:08,374 --> 00:20:10,575
Cus would tell
Mike that he was a colossus.

407
00:20:10,577 --> 00:20:12,476
He was a titan.

408
00:20:12,478 --> 00:20:16,314
And he's telling him this
and building up his ego

409
00:20:16,316 --> 00:20:19,150
to a person who has
absolutely no self esteem.

410
00:20:19,152 --> 00:20:20,851
So it's a very tricky situation.

411
00:20:23,122 --> 00:20:24,555
I heard about this heavy weight

412
00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:26,224
that they were saying,
this guy is dangerous.

413
00:20:26,226 --> 00:20:29,927
He's from Cus D'Amato's camp and
he was trained by Kevin Rooney.

414
00:20:29,929 --> 00:20:31,929
When I finally seen
him, I was like, man.

415
00:20:31,931 --> 00:20:34,865
He was like... He was
going through fighters

416
00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:39,804
like a hot knife on butter.

417
00:20:39,806 --> 00:20:42,773
From that moment on,
we knew he was special.

418
00:20:49,616 --> 00:20:52,083
North Philly
was known for a lot of fighters

419
00:20:52,085 --> 00:20:56,287
back in the '60s,
'70s, and in the '80s.

420
00:20:56,289 --> 00:21:00,057
I got introduced to the
amateurs, and I had the talent,

421
00:21:00,059 --> 00:21:01,492
I had the skills.

422
00:21:01,494 --> 00:21:03,961
But then as time
went on, eventually I

423
00:21:03,963 --> 00:21:06,998
started getting respect
as a street fighter

424
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,001
and I shot away from boxing.

425
00:21:10,003 --> 00:21:14,005
Every time I got stabbed, which
was more than once, crazy

426
00:21:14,007 --> 00:21:19,510
as it might seem, it gave
more stock to who you are.

427
00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:35,893
In 1984, I was put in
jail for taking money.

428
00:21:35,895 --> 00:21:37,728
At that time, I
blamed the system

429
00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:41,265
for everything, even
for my ignorance.

430
00:21:41,267 --> 00:21:44,669
That same year, my brother
got in a fight and the guy

431
00:21:44,671 --> 00:21:45,970
pulled a gun out.

432
00:21:45,972 --> 00:21:46,904
He tried to run.

433
00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:48,172
He got shot.

434
00:21:48,174 --> 00:21:50,007
They couldn't find him because
he ran down the street,

435
00:21:50,009 --> 00:21:53,377
and when they found him, he
was laying across the grass.

436
00:21:53,379 --> 00:21:54,478
So can you imagine my mom?

437
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,182
It had to be hard on
her to bury one son

438
00:21:58,184 --> 00:22:02,853
and then get to see me being
escorted by the sheriff's

439
00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:05,489
department from prison
to view the body

440
00:22:05,491 --> 00:22:07,491
and then go back to prison.

441
00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:11,429
So basically, she lost two sons.

442
00:22:11,431 --> 00:22:15,866
So 1984 was a really
challenging year.

443
00:22:22,642 --> 00:22:25,009
1984, Mike and myself,

444
00:22:25,011 --> 00:22:28,045
we were both trying to
make the Olympic team.

445
00:22:28,047 --> 00:22:30,381
- There was a big emphasis
placed back then,

446
00:22:30,383 --> 00:22:33,884
especially on the idea of
your amateur experience

447
00:22:33,886 --> 00:22:36,220
and this Olympic experience.

448
00:22:36,222 --> 00:22:39,256
It was very much a
place where your worth

449
00:22:39,258 --> 00:22:41,425
was going to be determined.

450
00:22:41,427 --> 00:22:43,527
Holyfield and Tyson
got an early taste

451
00:22:43,529 --> 00:22:46,497
of what the other was
about at the Olympics.

452
00:22:46,499 --> 00:22:50,101
- That's when I got a
chance to see him train.

453
00:22:50,103 --> 00:22:54,004
I'm one of the guys who kind of
prides myself on working hard.

454
00:22:54,006 --> 00:22:56,741
And when I worked
in the gym with him

455
00:22:56,743 --> 00:23:02,313
and I'd seen all the things that
he would do, I was just amazed.

456
00:23:02,315 --> 00:23:04,315
I was like, god, you know?

457
00:23:04,317 --> 00:23:06,050
Shoot.

458
00:23:06,052 --> 00:23:07,151
17 years old.

459
00:23:07,153 --> 00:23:08,953
He's just a kid, man.

460
00:23:08,955 --> 00:23:10,988
He's the only person
in a gym that I

461
00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:14,024
can admit that I worked with.

462
00:23:14,026 --> 00:23:18,195
I didn't think nobody
was gonna beat him.

463
00:23:18,197 --> 00:23:22,099
- Mike unfortunately lost to
a guy named Henry Tillman.

464
00:23:22,101 --> 00:23:23,334
Didn't make the Olympic team.

465
00:23:23,336 --> 00:23:26,203
He was voted as an alternate.

466
00:23:26,205 --> 00:23:27,638
I went to the Olympic trials.

467
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,173
I didn't make the Olympics,
but the experience

468
00:23:29,175 --> 00:23:32,843
in going to the Olympics
was just incredible.

469
00:23:32,845 --> 00:23:35,913
Evander Holyfield, he was
just very competitive,

470
00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:38,682
because he was just very hungry.

471
00:23:38,684 --> 00:23:39,517
Very hungry fighter.

472
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:40,317
And he fought.

473
00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:43,053
It reminded me of me.

474
00:23:43,055 --> 00:23:44,522
He was gonna win the
most outstanding fight,

475
00:23:44,524 --> 00:23:46,157
I thought, because he was
knocking out everybody.

476
00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:49,593
He was beating everybody easily.

477
00:23:49,595 --> 00:23:51,829
Evander Holyfield,
United States of America.

478
00:23:51,831 --> 00:23:54,331
Kevin Barry, New Zealand.

479
00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:57,435
Holyfield came into
the competition

480
00:23:57,437 --> 00:24:00,438
the unknown American,
but he's known now,

481
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,807
and he's only 21 years old.

482
00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:04,708
Look at Holyfield.

483
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:05,676
He's ready.

484
00:24:05,678 --> 00:24:07,077
He's got the
opponent hurt again.

485
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:09,180
He's ready to put him away.

486
00:24:09,182 --> 00:24:11,615
Even though there's
no blood there.

487
00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:13,551
Oh, there it goes.

488
00:24:13,553 --> 00:24:14,518
You saw that.

489
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,455
It was inevitable.

490
00:24:17,457 --> 00:24:20,157
Now wait a minute.

491
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:23,961
Evander launches
a lethal hook that drops Barry,

492
00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:25,262
and everybody thinks, OK.

493
00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:26,063
Fight's over.

494
00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:27,431
Move on.

495
00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:32,236
All of a sudden, the referee
starts motioning to the judges.

496
00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:35,706
He starts motioning
to Evander, and nobody

497
00:24:35,708 --> 00:24:37,541
knows exactly what's going on.

498
00:24:37,543 --> 00:24:40,244
He is going to
disqualify Evander Holyfield.

499
00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:45,950
He makes the announcement

500
00:24:45,952 --> 00:24:51,989
that Evander is disqualified for
hitting after he called stop.

501
00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:55,125
Nobody really heard
the referee say stop.

502
00:24:55,127 --> 00:24:58,295
All they saw was
Evander drop the guy.

503
00:24:58,297 --> 00:25:00,331
Holyfield got screwed royally.

504
00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:02,199
He shouldn't have been
disqualified against Barry.

505
00:25:02,201 --> 00:25:03,467
It was a joke.

506
00:25:03,469 --> 00:25:06,904
Holyfield in
total command of the fight.

507
00:25:06,906 --> 00:25:11,375
And I just don't
understand this ruling.

508
00:25:11,377 --> 00:25:13,344
Look at Holyfield's face.

509
00:25:13,346 --> 00:25:16,313
What an untoward development.

510
00:25:19,285 --> 00:25:21,819
Very conscious.

511
00:25:21,821 --> 00:25:23,287
Controlling.

512
00:25:23,289 --> 00:25:24,855
Controlling the anger.

513
00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:26,524
Controlling the tongue.

514
00:25:26,526 --> 00:25:28,192
I sit there and took it.

515
00:25:28,194 --> 00:25:31,128
Howard Cosell made
me bigger than life.

516
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:32,630
This is unbelievable.

517
00:25:32,632 --> 00:25:35,132
Holyfield holding
himself together.

518
00:25:35,134 --> 00:25:38,035
- A raging controversy had
reared its ugly head.

519
00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:41,205
Bill Simon, the president of the
Los Angeles Olympic Committee

520
00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:42,239
has gotten involved.

521
00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:45,342
It really is a full
blown controversy.

522
00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:47,311
He wanted that gold medal,

523
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:51,882
but by responding to it the
way he did, not complaining,

524
00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:55,319
showing a lot of
grace, he probably

525
00:25:55,321 --> 00:25:59,690
emerged from that Olympics
as the most well known

526
00:25:59,692 --> 00:26:01,525
of all those boxers,
even the ones

527
00:26:01,527 --> 00:26:04,495
that had won the gold medal.

528
00:26:04,497 --> 00:26:07,531
That became his launching pad
was the Olympics, while Mike

529
00:26:07,533 --> 00:26:10,267
had to begin his pro
career in obscurity.

530
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,239
Cus got me into thinking

531
00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:16,574
about the great fighters.

532
00:26:16,576 --> 00:26:18,242
And every time I failed, I'd
go read about their failures

533
00:26:18,244 --> 00:26:21,579
and how they overcame
their failures.

534
00:26:21,581 --> 00:26:23,247
- Mike had a very high
skill set, and he

535
00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:27,117
had a profound understanding
of boxing and boxing history.

536
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,786
And that's what
made him special.

537
00:26:28,788 --> 00:26:30,287
When he
wanted to know something,

538
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:32,790
he'd sit there and watch
numerous fights of guys

539
00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:35,159
from the '50s, and
'40s, and '30s.

540
00:26:35,161 --> 00:26:37,995
He's like a boxing encyclopedia.

541
00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:39,129
What's the difference

542
00:26:39,131 --> 00:26:41,799
between a good fighter
and the great fighter?

543
00:26:41,801 --> 00:26:43,167
It's how far they're
willing to go

544
00:26:43,169 --> 00:26:46,170
and how much they're
willing to endure.

545
00:26:46,172 --> 00:26:47,438
It's the hunger for the world.

546
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,973
You want to be that champion.

547
00:26:48,975 --> 00:26:50,374
Once you get to know Mike,

548
00:26:50,376 --> 00:26:53,310
you know he was a very insecure
human being and very insecure

549
00:26:53,312 --> 00:26:57,881
fighter, so a lot of that tough
guy image and a lot of the talk

550
00:26:57,883 --> 00:27:03,253
and the brashness was basically
to hide his own insecurities.

551
00:27:03,255 --> 00:27:05,589
Every time he went
in the ring, he was scared.

552
00:27:05,591 --> 00:27:08,325
It wasn't like he just
knew he was gonna win.

553
00:27:08,327 --> 00:27:11,061
But Mike also knew, when he
looked in that opponent's eye,

554
00:27:11,063 --> 00:27:12,429
he'd seen fear.

555
00:27:12,431 --> 00:27:13,664
Scared as I was fighting,

556
00:27:13,666 --> 00:27:16,033
I realized these guys
were more afraid of me

557
00:27:16,035 --> 00:27:19,503
than I was of them, and that's
when my whole game started

558
00:27:19,505 --> 00:27:22,673
changing as far as my
approach to fighting.

559
00:27:22,675 --> 00:27:24,074
Left hand almost drove

560
00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:26,477
Richardson right
through the canvas.

561
00:27:26,479 --> 00:27:28,512
- I'd get all his
early fights on ESPN

562
00:27:28,514 --> 00:27:31,081
and he knocked everybody out in
the first three second round.

563
00:27:31,083 --> 00:27:32,716
So you looked at
it and said wow.

564
00:27:32,718 --> 00:27:34,885
- Anybody that wants to stay in
the business for a long period

565
00:27:34,887 --> 00:27:36,787
of time, like myself, I
plan on staying in boxing.

566
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:38,922
I would like to box for
at least a good 20 years,

567
00:27:38,924 --> 00:27:39,924
because I love the game.

568
00:27:39,925 --> 00:27:40,758
- You took care of
business tonight.

569
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,558
Congratulations, Mike.

570
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,726
- Thank you, very much.

571
00:27:42,728 --> 00:27:45,262
- I studied every fight
that Mike fought

572
00:27:45,264 --> 00:27:46,597
and told everybody, be quiet.

573
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,298
I'm watching.

574
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:49,833
Well, you know, because
my whole thing,

575
00:27:49,835 --> 00:27:53,237
I realized that was going to be
the toughest fight in my life

576
00:27:53,239 --> 00:27:55,039
if it happened.

577
00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:58,308
This is the guy that
I've got to face one day.

578
00:28:10,222 --> 00:28:12,389
In prison, you have

579
00:28:12,391 --> 00:28:14,558
a lot of energy
that's bottled up.

580
00:28:17,263 --> 00:28:20,030
From one way or the other,
love it, don't love it,

581
00:28:20,032 --> 00:28:24,134
agree to disagree, it
has to be released.

582
00:28:24,136 --> 00:28:28,539
After getting in a few fights, I
built a reputation on the block

583
00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:30,674
like I was building
on the streets.

584
00:28:30,676 --> 00:28:32,676
I was known, don't fight me.

585
00:28:32,678 --> 00:28:36,647
You've got to stab me.

586
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:42,753
At home, you can hide, but
in those institutions,

587
00:28:42,755 --> 00:28:49,426
you have to see these people
every day you wake up.

588
00:28:49,428 --> 00:28:55,199
Someone is plotting for
that vulnerability.

589
00:28:55,201 --> 00:28:58,869
You gotta meet your
fears every day.

590
00:28:58,871 --> 00:29:00,904
Things going through my
head was that I'd be dead

591
00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:03,373
before I hit 18, or I'd
be in prison all my life,

592
00:29:03,375 --> 00:29:06,076
or that I'd be nothing.

593
00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:09,747
As I got more mature in
jail and I started watching

594
00:29:09,749 --> 00:29:11,815
other people, I started
saying to myself,

595
00:29:11,817 --> 00:29:14,818
what's wrong with
this situation.

596
00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:17,221
I had to stop being ignorant.

597
00:29:17,223 --> 00:29:19,823
I started doing research.

598
00:29:19,825 --> 00:29:25,829
I seen something to me
that really woke me up.

599
00:29:25,831 --> 00:29:26,831
Prison is a business.

600
00:29:34,473 --> 00:29:37,207
It's 50, it's $60,000
a year for one inmate.

601
00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:50,587
How can I keep myself from being
an employee of this business?

602
00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:52,689
Oftentimes, the
real problem with prison

603
00:29:52,691 --> 00:29:54,558
is this stultifying boredom.

604
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,895
There's mountains of evidence
that the supermax prisons where

605
00:29:57,897 --> 00:30:00,097
you're in a cell by
yourself 23 hours a day,

606
00:30:00,099 --> 00:30:01,732
they literally drive
people insane.

607
00:30:01,734 --> 00:30:03,734
The people who leave
are substantially

608
00:30:03,736 --> 00:30:05,435
mentally harmed
by the experience.

609
00:30:05,437 --> 00:30:09,039
It's just not what we as
humans are designed to handle.

610
00:30:09,041 --> 00:30:10,908
I think that thing that
gives you something to do,

611
00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:13,710
to hold on to, can be a very
powerful means of getting

612
00:30:13,712 --> 00:30:18,348
yourself through the
mind numbing tedium.

613
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:21,018
They had an old gym with a ring,

614
00:30:21,020 --> 00:30:26,757
with gloves, with sparring,
and Smokey Wilson, AKA Michael

615
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:32,129
Wilson, continued to say,
come on to the gym, man.

616
00:30:32,131 --> 00:30:33,430
Come on to the gym.

617
00:30:33,432 --> 00:30:35,732
Stop fighting on the black
or you gonna go in the hole,

618
00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:37,601
or you gonna get
stabbed, or this an that.

619
00:30:37,603 --> 00:30:38,402
So, all right, man.

620
00:30:38,404 --> 00:30:39,203
All right, yeah.

621
00:30:39,205 --> 00:30:40,537
I'll go to the gym.

622
00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:44,007
And I sparred with one of
the known, respected guys.

623
00:30:50,449 --> 00:30:53,317
I didn't knock him out, but
I gave him a boxing lesson.

624
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,486
And Smokey Wilson
became my trainer.

625
00:30:56,488 --> 00:31:01,592
I got a chance to get back
into what I've deviated from

626
00:31:01,594 --> 00:31:05,329
and used it to my advantage
in the penitentiary.

627
00:31:05,331 --> 00:31:09,566
It came to a thing where now, in
prison, you bet on each other.

628
00:31:09,568 --> 00:31:12,936
And I'm getting this reputation
because now, the block,

629
00:31:12,938 --> 00:31:15,639
the jail was buzzing.

630
00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:21,645
I became the celebrity
boxer in a penitentiary.

631
00:31:21,647 --> 00:31:23,380
The boxing program
was established

632
00:31:23,382 --> 00:31:29,086
in 38 penitentiaries, from
Philadelphia to Pittsburgh.

633
00:31:29,088 --> 00:31:35,659
And so we had boxing
tournaments in jail.

634
00:31:35,661 --> 00:31:40,797
In, Rockview,
Dallas, Graterford, Smithville,

635
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,566
Frackville.

636
00:31:42,568 --> 00:31:46,937
We, on buses, escorted
by guard with shot guns

637
00:31:46,939 --> 00:31:50,641
from one prison to another.

638
00:31:50,643 --> 00:31:53,810
I'm beating everybody
in every penitentiary,

639
00:31:53,812 --> 00:31:58,181
and I become the middleweight
State Penitentiary champion.

640
00:32:00,719 --> 00:32:02,786
I fell back in love
with boxing again.

641
00:32:09,728 --> 00:32:11,428
Boxing is the sport

642
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:14,197
which all others aspire to be.

643
00:32:14,199 --> 00:32:16,600
It's you and another guy,
and who wants it more,

644
00:32:16,602 --> 00:32:18,869
and who's got the heart, and
the will, and the desire,

645
00:32:18,871 --> 00:32:21,605
but it comes down to
a lot more than that.

646
00:32:21,607 --> 00:32:24,641
The best
combat is man against man.

647
00:32:24,643 --> 00:32:27,644
I mean, since Roman
times, the gladiators.

648
00:32:27,646 --> 00:32:31,114
It's human nature for people
to compete against each other.

649
00:32:31,116 --> 00:32:34,051
Sometimes I feel
so guilty I'm a boxing fan.

650
00:32:34,053 --> 00:32:37,054
I know on one level,
I'm not supposed

651
00:32:37,056 --> 00:32:39,256
to really be enjoying
what I'm watching.

652
00:32:39,258 --> 00:32:43,593
And yet on another, I
can't control myself.

653
00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:44,494
We're violent.

654
00:32:44,496 --> 00:32:45,562
We're animals.

655
00:32:45,564 --> 00:32:47,397
Like any other animal,
there's a release

656
00:32:47,399 --> 00:32:49,700
of aggression that
comes with fighting.

657
00:32:49,702 --> 00:32:50,834
There's a drama to it.

658
00:32:50,836 --> 00:32:52,169
Boxing is theater.

659
00:32:52,171 --> 00:32:54,604
If it's not theater, you're
fucking up in presenting it.

660
00:32:54,606 --> 00:32:57,107
To be ringside, you're like wow.

661
00:32:57,109 --> 00:32:58,575
This is amazing.

662
00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:00,911
The part for me that
stuck was, people

663
00:33:00,913 --> 00:33:02,646
are literally fighting
for their lives.

664
00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:04,481
They're fighting
for their families.

665
00:33:04,483 --> 00:33:07,250
That's the thing
that attracted me.

666
00:33:07,252 --> 00:33:10,420
- It's an ancient, brutal,
some would say barbaric sport,

667
00:33:10,422 --> 00:33:12,622
but there's something
very interesting

668
00:33:12,624 --> 00:33:18,128
about the individuals who choose
to try to perform at that level

669
00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:21,098
and risk what they
risk in the ring.

670
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:22,332
- It's raw.

671
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:25,469
It's something that appeals
to our basic instincts

672
00:33:25,471 --> 00:33:28,238
of survival or battle.

673
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,973
Nobody else is going
in there with you.

674
00:33:29,975 --> 00:33:31,308
You can't call timeout.

675
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:33,076
- It's like having a
fight with blood.

676
00:33:33,078 --> 00:33:34,945
A fighter doesn't care
who his opponent is.

677
00:33:34,947 --> 00:33:35,879
He my weight?

678
00:33:35,881 --> 00:33:37,814
Bring him.

679
00:33:37,816 --> 00:33:39,449
It's a different mentality.

680
00:33:39,451 --> 00:33:41,985
They're a different breed.

681
00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:44,488
Fighters know what they
have to sacrifice and give

682
00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:48,358
up to try to perfect their game.

683
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,796
A fighter learns from
walking through the fire.

684
00:33:52,798 --> 00:33:55,098
Dwight Muhammad
Qawi and Evander Holyfield

685
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:58,468
in their WBA Junior
Heavyweight Title fight.

686
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:59,803
And of course, you
remember Holyfield

687
00:33:59,805 --> 00:34:01,671
with the controversial
bronze medal

688
00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:03,473
at the Olympic games
in Los Angeles.

689
00:34:03,475 --> 00:34:05,842
Since then, 11
successful pro bouts.

690
00:34:05,844 --> 00:34:08,345
Is 11 enough for going
up against someone

691
00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:10,313
of the experience of Qawi.

692
00:34:11,316 --> 00:34:12,549
The bell rings and
this is round one.

693
00:34:12,551 --> 00:34:14,217
And one of
Evander's biggest challenges

694
00:34:14,219 --> 00:34:16,887
here is going to be overcoming
the psychological barrier

695
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:18,688
of going 15 rounds
for the first time.

696
00:34:24,963 --> 00:34:27,330
Just keeping your
hands up for three minutes

697
00:34:27,332 --> 00:34:31,668
and moving around the ring is
tremendous exertion physically.

698
00:34:31,670 --> 00:34:36,540
But running around for 15
rounds, three minutes a round,

699
00:34:36,542 --> 00:34:39,376
throwing punches at a guy who's
trying to hurt you, and getting

700
00:34:39,378 --> 00:34:42,913
hit while it's all going on,
there's just nothing like it.

701
00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:43,713
Qawi.

702
00:34:43,715 --> 00:34:45,148
Holyfield is going for it.

703
00:34:45,150 --> 00:34:48,518
He doesn't wanna go 15 rounds.

704
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,189
He's only in round three and
he's using so much energy.

705
00:34:52,191 --> 00:34:56,660
Qawi breathing very heavily,
but he is relentless.

706
00:34:56,662 --> 00:34:59,129
A left and a right
combination again.

707
00:34:59,131 --> 00:35:01,098
Boy, that combo has
worked well for Holyfield,

708
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:04,101
but now a big left right
left coming back from Qawi.

709
00:35:04,103 --> 00:35:07,571
Holyfield, back against the
ropes and sliding away.

710
00:35:07,573 --> 00:35:12,042
Qawi's slipping an awful
lot of those punches out.

711
00:35:12,044 --> 00:35:14,511
He missed about 10
consecutive punches.

712
00:35:14,513 --> 00:35:17,481
Qawi got underneath almost
every punch from Holyfield

713
00:35:17,483 --> 00:35:19,916
and came back and landed
punches of his own.

714
00:35:19,918 --> 00:35:20,884
You saw the smiling shrug.

715
00:35:20,886 --> 00:35:23,019
And that is
demoralizing to Evander.

716
00:35:23,021 --> 00:35:25,989
He built up some
energy for a flurry

717
00:35:25,991 --> 00:35:27,991
and he got nothing out of it.

718
00:35:27,993 --> 00:35:29,960
Just watching these
two go at it,

719
00:35:29,962 --> 00:35:32,462
there's no way that I could
imagine this one going 15.

720
00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:37,000
Whatever I hit him with,

721
00:35:37,002 --> 00:35:41,738
that guy never stopped coming.

722
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:43,073
Now we're really going

723
00:35:43,075 --> 00:35:46,309
to get to see what kind of
shape Evander Holyfield is in.

724
00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:48,879
He's only been to eight
rounds once in his career.

725
00:35:48,881 --> 00:35:51,882
Evander Holyfield started
this fight very fast.

726
00:35:51,884 --> 00:35:53,483
Won the first round in
convincing and impressive

727
00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:54,818
fashion.

728
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:57,053
But the grabs have gotten
closer and closer since then.

729
00:35:57,055 --> 00:36:01,825
Perspiration flying off the face
of Holyfield as Qawi gets in.

730
00:36:01,827 --> 00:36:04,194
And he looks a little
slower and slower

731
00:36:04,196 --> 00:36:06,897
as this fight moves along.

732
00:36:06,899 --> 00:36:10,100
When
somebody's breathing on you,

733
00:36:10,102 --> 00:36:13,503
and they have the right to hit
you just as the right you have

734
00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:16,306
to hit them, they become
the toughest thing.

735
00:36:16,308 --> 00:36:19,809
A right left, right
left combo to Holyfield!

736
00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:20,944
Holyfield is staggering!

737
00:36:20,946 --> 00:36:22,279
He's gotta be
feeling hurt right now!

738
00:36:22,281 --> 00:36:24,014
This is just trench warfare.

739
00:36:24,016 --> 00:36:25,549
Right now, Dwight
Qawi is winning it.

740
00:36:25,551 --> 00:36:26,683
The question is, who's

741
00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,045
gonna get their
second wind first?

742
00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:33,623
And just like somebody putting

743
00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:36,993
a mask over your head and put
your hands behind your back

744
00:36:36,995 --> 00:36:39,796
and throw you out into
the middle of the ocean,

745
00:36:39,798 --> 00:36:43,600
that's how tough this fight was.

746
00:36:43,602 --> 00:36:48,138
Round 11 Evander
Holyfield's never gone this far

747
00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:53,143
in his professional career,
or in his career period.

748
00:36:53,145 --> 00:36:56,646
Goes for the head, and
a big, powerful right,

749
00:36:56,648 --> 00:36:58,148
the likes of which
we haven't seen

750
00:36:58,150 --> 00:37:00,483
from Holyfield in a few rounds.

751
00:37:00,485 --> 00:37:02,419
I'm a little bit
surprised that Evander has been

752
00:37:02,421 --> 00:37:04,554
able to hang in there
as well as he did.

753
00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:06,523
He tired a little bit,
but he's come back

754
00:37:06,525 --> 00:37:08,024
and he's very much in the fight.

755
00:37:08,026 --> 00:37:10,026
Qawi's eyes are blood red.

756
00:37:10,028 --> 00:37:12,028
He has taken numerous shots.

757
00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:14,030
Breathing very, very heavily.

758
00:37:14,032 --> 00:37:16,032
Bloody in the mouth.

759
00:37:16,034 --> 00:37:18,001
Evander has a tremendous heart.

760
00:37:18,003 --> 00:37:21,004
It's a burning intensity.

761
00:37:21,006 --> 00:37:23,006
As these two
try to chip away and chip

762
00:37:23,008 --> 00:37:25,008
away at the stamina
of each other.

763
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:26,710
Both men showing
unbelievable courage

764
00:37:26,712 --> 00:37:27,712
and determination.

765
00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:33,717
I lost 15 pounds in that fight.

766
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,519
They were talking about
my kidneys were messed up.

767
00:37:36,521 --> 00:37:39,122
All I wanted to do is not die.

768
00:37:39,124 --> 00:37:41,024
Holyfield's eyes have that fire.

769
00:37:41,026 --> 00:37:42,726
He is officially
a professional fighter.

770
00:37:42,728 --> 00:37:46,596
He can go these 14, and he will
be able to go the 15 rounds.

771
00:37:46,598 --> 00:37:48,832
Dwight Muhammad
Qawi who yesterday called.

772
00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:51,534
Evander Holyfield
mediocre would not

773
00:37:51,536 --> 00:37:53,937
be saying that to us right now.

774
00:37:54,906 --> 00:37:56,426
And there's the final bell!

775
00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:01,511
- I didn't die.

776
00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:03,880
I made it to the
land, and then they

777
00:38:03,882 --> 00:38:06,616
gave me a bonus by
giving me the belt.

778
00:38:06,618 --> 00:38:09,819
For the winner and
new junior heavyweight champion

779
00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:12,055
of the world, Evander Holyfield!

780
00:38:17,529 --> 00:38:18,995
After that, I was

781
00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:20,363
the light heavyweight champion.

782
00:38:20,365 --> 00:38:21,498
But my goal.

783
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:22,599
I never forgot it.

784
00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,801
My goal was to be the
heavyweight champion

785
00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:26,369
of the world.

786
00:38:26,371 --> 00:38:28,738
- Evander Holyfield started
as light heavyweight, which

787
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:31,775
is, you know, kinda
like being the vice

788
00:38:31,777 --> 00:38:33,743
president of the United States.

789
00:38:33,745 --> 00:38:38,848
It's... It's not... You don't
get a lot of attention.

790
00:38:38,850 --> 00:38:43,053
- When you talk about
boxing, for most people,

791
00:38:43,055 --> 00:38:45,188
you're talking about the
heavyweight division.

792
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:48,358
The heavyweight champion
of the world is an icon.

793
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,727
This is the event of the night.

794
00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:54,698
The WBC championship
of the world.

795
00:38:54,700 --> 00:39:01,004
In the blue corner, with 27
wins, no defeats, 25 KOs,

796
00:39:01,006 --> 00:39:05,709
he is the challenger,
Mike Tyson!

797
00:39:05,711 --> 00:39:11,014
And in the red corner, he is
the WBC heavyweight champion

798
00:39:11,016 --> 00:39:14,250
of the world, Trevor Berbick.

799
00:39:17,255 --> 00:39:20,223
Any questions from
the challenger or chief second?

800
00:39:20,225 --> 00:39:21,358
- No, we're cool.

801
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,226
- Any question the
champion or chief second?

802
00:39:23,228 --> 00:39:24,394
All right, let's get it on!

803
00:39:24,396 --> 00:39:25,695
All right.

804
00:39:25,697 --> 00:39:27,197
And with the word of
Mills Lane, we're ready.

805
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:29,366
I don't know about you folks,
but here at the Hilton Hotel,

806
00:39:29,368 --> 00:39:31,167
there is electricity
in the crowd.

807
00:39:31,169 --> 00:39:34,170
Mike Tyson has trained
his whole life for this.

808
00:39:34,172 --> 00:39:37,173
And let's watch how quick Tyson
will jump on Trevor Berbick.

809
00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:39,142
You get the idea
now that Berbick

810
00:39:39,144 --> 00:39:41,644
is showing a little
bravado here.

811
00:39:41,646 --> 00:39:44,147
And Tyson clubs him
with the left hand.

812
00:39:44,149 --> 00:39:45,115
Look at this!

813
00:39:45,117 --> 00:39:46,316
Combination!

814
00:39:46,318 --> 00:39:48,618
And Berbick ready to go,
but he stays on his feet.

815
00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,120
Another right hand clips him.

816
00:39:50,122 --> 00:39:52,589
He can't take shots
like this very long.

817
00:39:52,591 --> 00:39:54,591
And he gets, and he's done!

818
00:39:54,593 --> 00:39:56,593
As he stands right
up, the count's

819
00:39:56,595 --> 00:39:59,062
to four, and five,
and six, and seven,

820
00:39:59,064 --> 00:40:00,764
and eight, and he says he's OK.

821
00:40:00,766 --> 00:40:01,865
- All right?

822
00:40:01,867 --> 00:40:04,067
Mills Lane let's them continue.

823
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:05,535
In comes Tyson again.

824
00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:07,036
He knows he can
hurt him any time.

825
00:40:07,038 --> 00:40:09,038
Catches him with a right
left hook, and he goes down!

826
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,073
He goes down!

827
00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:12,008
He should be able
to get up from this.

828
00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:13,209
His legs maybe shot.

829
00:40:13,211 --> 00:40:14,277
They are!

830
00:40:14,279 --> 00:40:16,513
As Trevor Berbick falls
back in the ropes,

831
00:40:16,515 --> 00:40:18,481
I don't know if he's gonna
be able to continue!

832
00:40:18,483 --> 00:40:20,750
He's got the heart,
but his body won't

833
00:40:20,752 --> 00:40:22,986
let him do what
his mind wants to.

834
00:40:22,988 --> 00:40:24,954
And he's counted out.

835
00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:26,456
It's all over.

836
00:40:26,458 --> 00:40:28,658
We've got a brand new
heavyweight champion

837
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:29,459
of the world.

838
00:40:29,461 --> 00:40:30,461
Mike Tyson!

839
00:40:34,433 --> 00:40:38,034
That was the most
exciting moment of my life.

840
00:40:38,036 --> 00:40:40,503
People patting me on the back
and saying, wow, you're great.

841
00:40:40,505 --> 00:40:41,938
I never saw anybody
like you before.

842
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:43,840
It was incredible.

843
00:40:43,842 --> 00:40:47,177
How am I gonna articulate this?

844
00:40:47,179 --> 00:40:50,013
All I did about being
the champion and stuff,

845
00:40:50,015 --> 00:40:51,614
this is very serious,
since I was 13.

846
00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:53,483
This isn't be like,
hey, we're gonna

847
00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:54,717
box and get some trophies, guys.

848
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,019
No.

849
00:40:56,021 --> 00:40:58,101
Our purpose is to win and
win in spectacular fashion.

850
00:41:08,934 --> 00:41:10,366
Mike did something special.

851
00:41:10,368 --> 00:41:13,736
He convinced me that no man
on the planet could beat him.

852
00:41:13,738 --> 00:41:15,071
You could get up and
go to the bathroom,

853
00:41:15,073 --> 00:41:16,840
come back, the
fucking fight over.

854
00:41:16,842 --> 00:41:18,508
Mike got a bad rep in the sense

855
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:21,678
that people concentrated
on intimidation.

856
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,879
The only way you're
intimidated is

857
00:41:22,881 --> 00:41:25,248
because you seen
him do something.

858
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:27,784
When you see somebody
knock out 22 other people,

859
00:41:27,786 --> 00:41:30,687
yeah, the 23rd guy may
be a little intimidated.

860
00:41:30,689 --> 00:41:33,590
He was
unstoppable force of nature.

861
00:41:33,592 --> 00:41:36,326
I mean, I still in my head
have visions of Welcome

862
00:41:36,328 --> 00:41:38,795
to the Terrordome being
played where Tyson was walking

863
00:41:38,797 --> 00:41:41,431
into the ring twitching
with no socks on,

864
00:41:41,433 --> 00:41:43,399
and the guy standing
in the ring looked

865
00:41:43,401 --> 00:41:44,641
like he was shitting his pants.

866
00:41:47,038 --> 00:41:49,372
- Don King told him, every
time that you knock somebody

867
00:41:49,374 --> 00:41:52,242
out in the first round, I
give you $100,000 in cash.

868
00:41:52,244 --> 00:41:54,210
And he's down again.

869
00:41:54,212 --> 00:41:56,179
He's not going to make it.

870
00:41:56,181 --> 00:41:58,548
It's all over.

871
00:41:58,550 --> 00:42:01,484
First big fight
I went to was a Tyson fight,

872
00:42:01,486 --> 00:42:03,253
and there was nothing
more exciting than that.

873
00:42:03,255 --> 00:42:05,655
- He put on a show.

874
00:42:05,657 --> 00:42:08,525
When the lights came on, Mike
just knew, this is my moment.

875
00:42:08,527 --> 00:42:10,760
Everybody's watching
me right now.

876
00:42:10,762 --> 00:42:11,661
- It was crazy in there.

877
00:42:11,663 --> 00:42:12,529
Just great energy.

878
00:42:12,531 --> 00:42:13,930
Unbelievable energy.

879
00:42:13,932 --> 00:42:15,431
Every time we'd get
home, Mike said, well who came?

880
00:42:15,433 --> 00:42:16,566
How did they look like?

881
00:42:16,568 --> 00:42:19,469
He just wanted to know,
what was the crowd like.

882
00:42:19,471 --> 00:42:21,104
And it's hard to
explain it to him.

883
00:42:21,106 --> 00:42:23,439
You see Eddie Murphy,
you see Donald Trump.

884
00:42:23,441 --> 00:42:26,209
You see so many big
people in the audience.

885
00:42:26,211 --> 00:42:28,945
Like, if you was in that
front three or four rows,

886
00:42:28,947 --> 00:42:30,346
you were somebody.

887
00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:32,549
- Tyson was superhuman.

888
00:42:32,551 --> 00:42:35,318
He represented our culture.

889
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,586
He represented who we were.

890
00:42:36,588 --> 00:42:37,820
Mike Tyson was a phenom.

891
00:42:37,822 --> 00:42:39,289
Everybody heard about him.

892
00:42:39,291 --> 00:42:42,659
- Mike Tyson represents in the
community the American dream,

893
00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:46,162
that anybody can make it if
they have the determination.

894
00:42:46,164 --> 00:42:47,397
Cus put me in the mindset

895
00:42:47,399 --> 00:42:48,898
that there's no
room for everybody.

896
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:50,466
I need to suck all the air.

897
00:42:50,468 --> 00:42:52,001
I need to reign with gods.

898
00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:54,037
Do you ever
stop to think about money?

899
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:55,538
The stage
of thinking about money

900
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:56,639
is far gone.

901
00:42:56,641 --> 00:42:58,608
I don't have to worry
about that no more.

902
00:42:58,610 --> 00:42:59,842
I'm just having fun.

903
00:42:59,844 --> 00:43:03,746
- They were able to sell
Mike Tyson very effectively.

904
00:43:03,748 --> 00:43:06,783
He delivered, of course, because
he scored all these knock outs,

905
00:43:06,785 --> 00:43:09,586
and you got this
feeling of caged fury.

906
00:43:09,588 --> 00:43:13,656
- In our era, what would boxing
have been without Mike Tyson?

907
00:43:13,658 --> 00:43:15,458
Could you say it would've
been this exciting?

908
00:43:18,163 --> 00:43:21,664
After Ali, people
stopped liking boxing.

909
00:43:21,666 --> 00:43:26,135
It don't bother me to say
that I was in the right time,

910
00:43:26,137 --> 00:43:27,403
with Tyson.

911
00:43:27,405 --> 00:43:32,308
That's when the fire came
back in the game of boxing.

912
00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:35,011
When Tyson came in the game,

913
00:43:35,013 --> 00:43:39,248
boxing became one
of the most popular,

914
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:43,486
if not the popular sport outside
the walls of Graterford.

915
00:43:43,488 --> 00:43:45,154
We used to watch fights on ABC.

916
00:43:45,156 --> 00:43:48,091
We used to watch fights on ESPN.

917
00:43:48,093 --> 00:43:51,728
Alexis Arguello and the
fighters that was hot.

918
00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:53,896
And I'm like, yo.

919
00:43:53,898 --> 00:43:54,998
I can beat these guys.

920
00:44:01,606 --> 00:44:09,606
For myself to come out and be
paroled to a halfway house,

921
00:44:10,415 --> 00:44:15,184
I said to myself, I
gotta make boxing work.

922
00:44:15,186 --> 00:44:19,722
I knew that this is the only
thing that I had to gamble.

923
00:44:24,562 --> 00:44:27,597
- Most guys go back when
you're in that situation.

924
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:29,465
When they lock you up
when you're like 17,

925
00:44:29,467 --> 00:44:31,567
and you get out when
you're like 23, 24,

926
00:44:31,569 --> 00:44:34,303
now you're thrown
into the adult world

927
00:44:34,305 --> 00:44:37,774
with no job skills, nothing
but a record on your back.

928
00:44:37,776 --> 00:44:40,410
Plus, little guy you
seen on your block,

929
00:44:40,412 --> 00:44:43,846
he comes past you in a brand
new car with a gold chain

930
00:44:43,848 --> 00:44:45,915
big enough for you to
see your reflection in.

931
00:44:45,917 --> 00:44:47,517
That's hard to deal with.

932
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,219
- When you go away, if you come
back into the same environment,

933
00:44:50,221 --> 00:44:52,855
around the same circumstances,
around the same people

934
00:44:52,857 --> 00:44:55,058
that you're comfortable
making these decisions around,

935
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:58,628
and you have influences that
make things easy for you to be

936
00:44:58,630 --> 00:45:02,832
in a bad situation,
temptation is great.

937
00:45:02,834 --> 00:45:06,102
It's the same if you're trying
not to be involved with drugs.

938
00:45:06,104 --> 00:45:07,637
Because of its low price,

939
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:11,307
crack permeates the country,
especially the inner cities.

940
00:45:11,309 --> 00:45:14,844
- When the crack came into
and flooded the streets,

941
00:45:14,846 --> 00:45:18,014
it was just hard to say no.

942
00:45:18,016 --> 00:45:20,216
The crack era
affected everybody.

943
00:45:20,218 --> 00:45:23,186
If you lived in that
area where they sold it,

944
00:45:23,188 --> 00:45:25,321
you were going to be involved.

945
00:45:25,323 --> 00:45:26,656
- You're looking at
your environment

946
00:45:26,658 --> 00:45:27,724
and no one's helping you.

947
00:45:27,726 --> 00:45:29,025
No one's doing anything.

948
00:45:29,027 --> 00:45:30,993
Just feeding you the drugs,
feeding you the alcohol,

949
00:45:30,995 --> 00:45:32,762
feeding you the
negative comments.

950
00:45:32,764 --> 00:45:35,465
They're doing exactly what
was done to you as a child,

951
00:45:35,467 --> 00:45:37,700
so you have to shift and
change your environment.

952
00:45:37,702 --> 00:45:38,501
Do something.

953
00:45:38,503 --> 00:45:40,136
Change something.

954
00:45:40,138 --> 00:45:41,871
For
Bernard to not violate parole

955
00:45:41,873 --> 00:45:44,907
during that era, during that
time, was the most impressive

956
00:45:44,909 --> 00:45:46,309
to me.

957
00:45:46,311 --> 00:45:50,046
He dealt with it, he came home,
he was able to move forward.

958
00:45:50,048 --> 00:45:52,081
He realized it wasn't
the life for him.

959
00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:54,150
He was gonna make sure it
wouldn't happen to him.

960
00:45:54,152 --> 00:45:58,321
- How can I beat the system?

961
00:45:58,323 --> 00:45:59,122
I fought.

962
00:45:59,124 --> 00:46:00,423
I worked.

963
00:46:00,425 --> 00:46:01,457
I worked in a kitchen.

964
00:46:01,459 --> 00:46:03,726
I worked on landscaping.

965
00:46:03,728 --> 00:46:04,594
I did roofing.

966
00:46:04,596 --> 00:46:07,296
I found some new people.

967
00:46:07,298 --> 00:46:09,532
Those new people
got me into boxing

968
00:46:09,534 --> 00:46:12,401
as far as on the business side.

969
00:46:12,403 --> 00:46:14,904
I was the only fighter
to my knowledge

970
00:46:14,906 --> 00:46:20,209
to take a team of trainers
and go to Graterford,

971
00:46:20,211 --> 00:46:26,682
and train and use that
environment to remind me

972
00:46:26,684 --> 00:46:29,585
where I came from.

973
00:46:29,587 --> 00:46:31,788
I think it
speaks volumes about Bernard

974
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:36,793
and how he looks at life
that he went back to prison

975
00:46:36,795 --> 00:46:40,630
with his team, looked at
the situation, and know,

976
00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:44,367
this is what I do not
want to fall back into.

977
00:46:44,369 --> 00:46:45,668
- There were athletes
who came along

978
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:47,637
who had better
talent than Bernard.

979
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:48,771
There were athletes
who came along

980
00:46:48,773 --> 00:46:51,674
who had better positions,
better situations.

981
00:46:51,676 --> 00:46:55,411
His discipline has
set him apart.

982
00:46:55,413 --> 00:46:56,846
And the new IBF middleweight

983
00:46:56,848 --> 00:47:00,516
champion of the world,
Barnard Hopkins!

984
00:47:05,456 --> 00:47:08,691
I won my first title in 1994.

985
00:47:08,693 --> 00:47:12,795
From there, I went on to defend
the middleweight championship

986
00:47:12,797 --> 00:47:14,797
for 11 years.

987
00:47:14,799 --> 00:47:17,733
Oscar de la Hoya is knocked out

988
00:47:17,735 --> 00:47:22,171
by a left hook to the
liver by Bernard Hopkins.

989
00:47:25,076 --> 00:47:26,209
Bernard Hopkins

990
00:47:26,211 --> 00:47:28,177
is our Ray Robinson of this era.

991
00:47:28,179 --> 00:47:30,646
Those guys were cut
from a different cloth.

992
00:47:30,648 --> 00:47:31,881
The ones who could sustain.

993
00:47:31,883 --> 00:47:35,251
Tonight you
have witnessed history.

994
00:47:35,253 --> 00:47:36,953
Boxing's ageless warrior.

995
00:47:36,955 --> 00:47:38,354
Bernard Hopkins!

996
00:47:43,428 --> 00:47:47,930
- He became the oldest fighter to
win a world title, at an age 48

997
00:47:47,932 --> 00:47:52,134
when it's almost impossible to
imagine a fighter doing this.

998
00:47:52,136 --> 00:47:53,536
Bernard walked and kept

999
00:47:53,538 --> 00:47:56,672
that middleweight weight
for 20 title defenses.

1000
00:47:56,674 --> 00:47:58,908
20 title defenses.

1001
00:47:58,910 --> 00:48:00,843
That's gonna be a
hard record to break.

1002
00:48:00,845 --> 00:48:03,145
- He's just always represented
a hungry fighter that's

1003
00:48:03,147 --> 00:48:06,215
dedicated and put
in a lot of work.

1004
00:48:06,217 --> 00:48:10,019
You can just tell he didn't
get anything handed to him.

1005
00:48:10,021 --> 00:48:12,455
- Bernard Hopkins, to me,
is a testament to the fact

1006
00:48:12,457 --> 00:48:16,792
that anyone can reshape
their thinking,

1007
00:48:16,794 --> 00:48:19,929
can reshape their
life, and continue

1008
00:48:19,931 --> 00:48:22,064
to live that reshaped life.

1009
00:48:22,066 --> 00:48:25,501
The Bernard Hopkins that
I've known all these years

1010
00:48:25,503 --> 00:48:28,337
and the man who
resurrected his life

1011
00:48:28,339 --> 00:48:32,541
is an absolute pillar
of self discipline.

1012
00:48:32,543 --> 00:48:36,746
- What saved me was knowing
that I can do this, and to be

1013
00:48:36,748 --> 00:48:38,114
able to do this
in a penitentiary.

1014
00:48:40,685 --> 00:48:43,486
Those stages are
critical, for me.

1015
00:48:43,488 --> 00:48:45,254
To be able to come
through that era

1016
00:48:45,256 --> 00:48:49,158
and come through that
time with the scars,

1017
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,529
but I used it to motivate
me in a different way.

1018
00:48:53,531 --> 00:48:56,899
It took time to get there.

1019
00:48:56,901 --> 00:48:58,701
- Bernard Hopkins is very
lucky to have boxing

1020
00:48:58,703 --> 00:48:59,835
and to capitalize on it.

1021
00:48:59,837 --> 00:49:01,871
He had it, and then he
took advantage of it.

1022
00:49:01,873 --> 00:49:05,408
People who don't have those
options, it gets very bleak.

1023
00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:07,109
We've cut back on a lot of
the educational options,

1024
00:49:07,111 --> 00:49:08,611
we've cut back on a
lot of the facilities,

1025
00:49:08,613 --> 00:49:10,446
we've cut back on
time out in the yard.

1026
00:49:10,448 --> 00:49:12,915
We've cut back on spots.

1027
00:49:12,917 --> 00:49:14,383
Energized inmates

1028
00:49:14,385 --> 00:49:16,819
use their energy in
the right direction

1029
00:49:16,821 --> 00:49:18,654
by going to the boxing circle.

1030
00:49:18,656 --> 00:49:24,160
It releases energy
that won't be released

1031
00:49:24,162 --> 00:49:28,464
on authority or
on other inmates.

1032
00:49:28,466 --> 00:49:31,067
- Those kinds of
programs are no longer

1033
00:49:31,069 --> 00:49:33,569
available in today's prisons.

1034
00:49:33,571 --> 00:49:36,339
Today's prisons are
more about punishment

1035
00:49:36,341 --> 00:49:40,076
rather than recognizing the
mistakes individuals may have

1036
00:49:40,078 --> 00:49:44,313
made and helping
them grow from them.

1037
00:49:44,315 --> 00:49:46,782
Sometimes we
completely perverse things.

1038
00:49:46,784 --> 00:49:48,985
In New York state, at least, the
single most popular training

1039
00:49:48,987 --> 00:49:50,886
program in prison
is barber school.

1040
00:49:50,888 --> 00:49:52,121
So you have thousands
of men training

1041
00:49:52,123 --> 00:49:54,156
to be barbers in prison.

1042
00:49:54,158 --> 00:49:56,792
It's actually giving them a job
to do while they're in prison,

1043
00:49:56,794 --> 00:49:58,194
providing actually
a useful skill

1044
00:49:58,196 --> 00:49:59,595
they can use on
the outside, only

1045
00:49:59,597 --> 00:50:00,830
they're not allowed
to use it at all.

1046
00:50:00,832 --> 00:50:03,332
People on parole,
ex-felons, can't be barbers.

1047
00:50:03,334 --> 00:50:04,867
Blanket ban for licensing.

1048
00:50:04,869 --> 00:50:07,003
Once you get into that system,
we're actually setting you up

1049
00:50:07,005 --> 00:50:09,171
even more to fail down the line.

1050
00:50:09,173 --> 00:50:11,107
They just keep making
it tougher and tougher,

1051
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:13,442
and then shaking their heads in
disappointment when they fail,

1052
00:50:13,444 --> 00:50:16,145
and making it tougher still.

1053
00:50:16,147 --> 00:50:18,681
Activist
Angela Davis describes prisons

1054
00:50:18,683 --> 00:50:21,417
as this place where
we don't make problems

1055
00:50:21,419 --> 00:50:23,819
disappear, we make
people disappear.

1056
00:50:23,821 --> 00:50:27,957
We want to think of ourselves
as never making mistakes,

1057
00:50:27,959 --> 00:50:31,394
and so when confronted with
individuals who make mistakes,

1058
00:50:31,396 --> 00:50:32,796
we're forced to
look in the mirror.

1059
00:50:40,071 --> 00:50:41,871
Muhammad Ali in his prime

1060
00:50:41,873 --> 00:50:44,106
was served by his character.

1061
00:50:44,108 --> 00:50:46,442
Mike Tyson didn't
have that character.

1062
00:50:46,444 --> 00:50:49,345
He had tremendous ferocity,
tremendous ability, god given

1063
00:50:49,347 --> 00:50:51,113
strength, but the
people around him

1064
00:50:51,115 --> 00:50:53,616
weren't encouraging him
to develop character.

1065
00:50:53,618 --> 00:50:57,553
They were enabling him, in a lot
of ways, to destroy himself.

1066
00:50:57,555 --> 00:50:59,255
His only real mentors

1067
00:50:59,257 --> 00:51:02,124
were his managers
and his trainers.

1068
00:51:02,126 --> 00:51:04,460
They weren't really
trying to teach him

1069
00:51:04,462 --> 00:51:08,931
a lot of social skills other
than how to deal with media.

1070
00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:12,268
People treat you
differently when you're famous.

1071
00:51:12,270 --> 00:51:15,805
Fame really distorts your
own perception of yourself.

1072
00:51:15,807 --> 00:51:17,239
- Just think.

1073
00:51:17,241 --> 00:51:19,108
Anybody in this
planet with 6 billion

1074
00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:22,144
people... 6 billion right?

1075
00:51:22,146 --> 00:51:23,979
Anybody in this
planet, you could

1076
00:51:23,981 --> 00:51:26,649
beat them in a fair fight.

1077
00:51:26,651 --> 00:51:30,252
You tell me how
that'd feed your ego.

1078
00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:31,387
He starts buying all

1079
00:51:31,389 --> 00:51:32,888
these incredible sports cars.

1080
00:51:32,890 --> 00:51:35,958
He buys Bentleys, he
buys Rolls Royces,

1081
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,427
and he starts buying
these mansions,

1082
00:51:38,429 --> 00:51:40,629
and of course, it's
conspicuous consumption.

1083
00:51:40,631 --> 00:51:44,533
He's showing the world,
look how far he's come.

1084
00:51:44,535 --> 00:51:47,436
My life only existed
through accomplishments.

1085
00:51:47,438 --> 00:51:49,371
You win this, you get this car.

1086
00:51:49,373 --> 00:51:50,639
You when this, you get this.

1087
00:51:50,641 --> 00:51:52,575
You win this, you get that.

1088
00:51:52,577 --> 00:51:54,243
And you have that much money,

1089
00:51:54,245 --> 00:51:56,846
everything's possible.

1090
00:51:56,848 --> 00:51:58,414
The media was
creating this image,

1091
00:51:58,416 --> 00:52:00,950
but Mike was helping
them with the image

1092
00:52:00,952 --> 00:52:03,018
that he was just a
savage, a wild man.

1093
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:04,954
I'll fuck you in
your ass, you punk white boy.

1094
00:52:04,956 --> 00:52:08,757
I'll eat your asshole
alive, you bitch.

1095
00:52:08,759 --> 00:52:09,558
I became a megalomaniac.

1096
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,094
I thought I was a god.

1097
00:52:12,096 --> 00:52:14,063
If you were old enough, you may
have seen some of my fights

1098
00:52:14,065 --> 00:52:15,731
and some of the things
I said to people

1099
00:52:15,733 --> 00:52:19,668
or said about myself as some
kind of demigod or something.

1100
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:20,769
I'm a tyrannosaurus, man.

1101
00:52:20,771 --> 00:52:22,371
I'm a tyrannical titan.

1102
00:52:22,373 --> 00:52:23,739
I'm the best ever.

1103
00:52:23,741 --> 00:52:25,074
There's never been
anybody as ruthless.

1104
00:52:25,076 --> 00:52:26,475
That's just the
way I was trained

1105
00:52:26,477 --> 00:52:29,945
to fight to have that
kind of belief system.

1106
00:52:29,947 --> 00:52:32,481
- We all heard those stories of
people that have had nothing

1107
00:52:32,483 --> 00:52:34,817
and then had it all and
didn't know how to handle it.

1108
00:52:34,819 --> 00:52:37,119
It's one thing to be able to
have that drive and that desire

1109
00:52:37,121 --> 00:52:39,555
to become a champion,
but to stay hungry

1110
00:52:39,557 --> 00:52:45,327
when you have that success,
it becomes that much harder.

1111
00:52:45,329 --> 00:52:48,330
We think of him
as this monster with huge power.

1112
00:52:48,332 --> 00:52:53,769
And he did have power, but Mike
Tyson was a small heavyweight

1113
00:52:53,771 --> 00:52:58,741
who needed to fight
well to be effective.

1114
00:52:58,743 --> 00:53:01,377
A Mike Tyson that isn't
perfectly conditioned,

1115
00:53:01,379 --> 00:53:04,780
and a Mike Tyson that isn't
fighting the right style,

1116
00:53:04,782 --> 00:53:06,815
he's beatable.

1117
00:53:06,817 --> 00:53:08,884
Please welcome the challenger,

1118
00:53:08,886 --> 00:53:09,886
James Buster Douglas!

1119
00:53:15,626 --> 00:53:17,826
No one expected Mike

1120
00:53:17,828 --> 00:53:20,162
Tyson to lose to Buster Douglas.

1121
00:53:20,164 --> 00:53:21,830
The odds were astronomical.

1122
00:53:21,832 --> 00:53:26,068
Introducing the
undefeated, undisputed

1123
00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:28,470
heavyweight champion
of the world.

1124
00:53:28,472 --> 00:53:33,008
The one and only
iron Mike Tyson!

1125
00:53:36,113 --> 00:53:38,847
It was in Japan,
and most news organizations

1126
00:53:38,849 --> 00:53:41,250
didn't even send anybody
to cover the fight.

1127
00:53:41,252 --> 00:53:42,051
- Larry.

1128
00:53:42,053 --> 00:53:43,419
What are we about to see?

1129
00:53:43,421 --> 00:53:48,023
Another 90 second annihilation
of an ill prepared opponent?

1130
00:53:48,025 --> 00:53:50,459
- Well, in the important
game of expectations,

1131
00:53:50,461 --> 00:53:54,263
this fight is over before it
begins or soon thereafter.

1132
00:53:54,265 --> 00:53:57,266
You have to remember
that just nobody believes

1133
00:53:57,268 --> 00:54:00,069
anybody can compete
with Mike Tyson.

1134
00:54:00,071 --> 00:54:02,905
And there, of
course, is Evander Holyfield

1135
00:54:02,907 --> 00:54:05,507
who has a guarantee
of $12 million

1136
00:54:05,509 --> 00:54:08,010
to fight Mike Tyson in June.

1137
00:54:08,012 --> 00:54:09,411
Everyone was looking forward

1138
00:54:09,413 --> 00:54:11,714
to Mike Tyson fighting
Evander Holyfield.

1139
00:54:11,716 --> 00:54:14,116
I watched the
Douglas Tyson fight

1140
00:54:14,118 --> 00:54:16,085
with Donald Trump
and his executives.

1141
00:54:16,087 --> 00:54:18,687
They were expecting
that Tyson Holyfield

1142
00:54:18,689 --> 00:54:20,589
fight to be on one
of their properties

1143
00:54:20,591 --> 00:54:22,791
and would be a major
event for them.

1144
00:54:22,793 --> 00:54:25,794
Mike went kicking
and screaming to Tokyo.

1145
00:54:25,796 --> 00:54:29,398
He thought, I knocked out guys
that beat Buster Douglas, so

1146
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,201
why do I have to train
for Buster Douglas.

1147
00:54:32,203 --> 00:54:35,638
So he got there and
he didn't train.

1148
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:42,077
And he instead enjoyed all the
fruits of young Japanese women

1149
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,178
there.

1150
00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:45,681
Buster had nothing to lose,

1151
00:54:45,683 --> 00:54:48,017
and he was training
his heart out.

1152
00:54:48,019 --> 00:54:50,686
Evander saw this
and he knew trouble

1153
00:54:50,688 --> 00:54:51,954
might be on the horizon.

1154
00:54:51,956 --> 00:54:54,390
Douglas is getting
Mike Tyson to reach in.

1155
00:54:54,392 --> 00:54:55,891
When you reach in,
that's what happens.

1156
00:54:55,893 --> 00:54:58,127
That's a good
right hand, and a good right

1157
00:54:58,129 --> 00:55:01,363
uppercut, and two more
good rights by Douglas.

1158
00:55:01,365 --> 00:55:04,833
I don't think I've ever
seen Tyson absorb that kind

1159
00:55:04,835 --> 00:55:07,303
of a four or five
punch combination

1160
00:55:07,305 --> 00:55:09,505
before in his
professional career.

1161
00:55:09,507 --> 00:55:11,974
And he has swelled
up Mike Tyson's eye

1162
00:55:11,976 --> 00:55:15,911
and is dominating
the fight right now.

1163
00:55:15,913 --> 00:55:18,080
It was a
perfect storm of events.

1164
00:55:18,082 --> 00:55:21,483
It was Mike Tyson not taking
Buster Douglas as seriously

1165
00:55:21,485 --> 00:55:23,352
as he should have,
and it was Buster

1166
00:55:23,354 --> 00:55:25,454
Douglas preparing
himself correctly.

1167
00:55:25,456 --> 00:55:26,655
Brawling willingly just

1168
00:55:26,657 --> 00:55:28,924
to try to get in the shot
that will finish things.

1169
00:55:28,926 --> 00:55:30,426
Oh, the uppercut!

1170
00:55:30,428 --> 00:55:32,895
What an uppercut by
Douglas, and down goes Tyson!

1171
00:55:40,271 --> 00:55:43,238
Down goes Tyson.

1172
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:51,240
- Two, three, four, five,
six, seven, eight, nine!

1173
00:55:52,616 --> 00:55:54,083
He's...
Well, it... It's over!

1174
00:55:54,085 --> 00:55:55,217
It's over!

1175
00:55:55,219 --> 00:55:56,719
Mike Tyson has been knocked out!

1176
00:55:56,721 --> 00:55:57,721
Unbelievable!

1177
00:56:02,693 --> 00:56:03,992
There are a lot of lessons

1178
00:56:03,994 --> 00:56:06,462
fighters learn the hard way.

1179
00:56:06,464 --> 00:56:08,263
Every fighter comes
to know the fact

1180
00:56:08,265 --> 00:56:11,867
that this is an
unforgiving sport.

1181
00:56:11,869 --> 00:56:13,836
And suddenly, Mike Tyson

1182
00:56:13,838 --> 00:56:17,506
has been reduced to being
another heavyweight champion

1183
00:56:17,508 --> 00:56:21,243
who got defeated.

1184
00:56:21,245 --> 00:56:22,611
There's no other sport where

1185
00:56:22,613 --> 00:56:24,780
you can rise and
fall so quickly.

1186
00:56:28,853 --> 00:56:30,753
When I
became the heavyweight champion

1187
00:56:30,755 --> 00:56:35,090
of the world for the first
time with Buster Douglas,

1188
00:56:35,092 --> 00:56:37,760
people hated the fact.

1189
00:56:37,762 --> 00:56:39,728
Holyfield... right

1190
00:56:39,730 --> 00:56:41,196
hand stuns Douglas!

1191
00:56:41,198 --> 00:56:42,631
Caught him going in!

1192
00:56:42,633 --> 00:56:45,067
He is not going to get up.

1193
00:56:45,069 --> 00:56:48,003
There goes the heavyweight
championship of the world!

1194
00:56:48,005 --> 00:56:50,606
Evander Holyfield
with a third round knock out!

1195
00:56:50,608 --> 00:56:52,808
They said,
you can't get no credibility.

1196
00:56:52,810 --> 00:56:55,511
Man, you still ain't the champ.

1197
00:56:55,513 --> 00:56:58,147
You ain't beat Tyson.

1198
00:56:58,149 --> 00:56:59,882
An Indiana
grand jury has indicted

1199
00:56:59,884 --> 00:57:02,418
former heavyweight
boxing champ Mike Tyson.

1200
00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:04,520
He is charged with
raping a woman who

1201
00:57:04,522 --> 00:57:05,954
was a contestant
in this summer's.

1202
00:57:05,956 --> 00:57:07,689
Miss Black America pageant.

1203
00:57:07,691 --> 00:57:09,024
Within the past hour, the jury

1204
00:57:09,026 --> 00:57:10,492
has returned for indictments.

1205
00:57:10,494 --> 00:57:13,796
One for rape, two charges
of criminal deviant conduct,

1206
00:57:13,798 --> 00:57:15,038
and one charge of confinement.

1207
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:26,041
- If I was in here for something
that I did, it would be easier,

1208
00:57:26,043 --> 00:57:29,445
but just the fact that I'm in
here for something I didn't do

1209
00:57:29,447 --> 00:57:31,747
and I'm innocent,
every day I'm walking

1210
00:57:31,749 --> 00:57:33,081
a thin line through hell.

1211
00:57:33,083 --> 00:57:35,284
I thought prison was
for the rehabilitation

1212
00:57:35,286 --> 00:57:37,486
of men or women, so to speak.

1213
00:57:37,488 --> 00:57:38,454
That's what I always thought.

1214
00:57:38,456 --> 00:57:39,421
That's what they always say.

1215
00:57:39,423 --> 00:57:40,656
We send you here
and we rehabilitate

1216
00:57:40,658 --> 00:57:42,357
you so you won't do it again.

1217
00:57:42,359 --> 00:57:45,627
People come out of prison, they
come out in worse condition

1218
00:57:45,629 --> 00:57:47,596
than they was when
they first entered.

1219
00:57:47,598 --> 00:57:49,631
In the lackluster
heavyweight division, even

1220
00:57:49,633 --> 00:57:53,068
without his crown,
Tyson is still the man.

1221
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:55,370
Promoters even courted
him at the prison,

1222
00:57:55,372 --> 00:57:58,207
hoping to share an estimated
$100 million payday.

1223
00:58:02,379 --> 00:58:03,879
Waiting for my opportunity

1224
00:58:03,881 --> 00:58:06,482
to get a chance to fight him,
there's a lot of writers,

1225
00:58:06,484 --> 00:58:09,518
in general, that think
that really he's the champ.

1226
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,920
But realistic, I am the champ.

1227
00:58:11,922 --> 00:58:12,922
I have the belt.

1228
00:58:16,093 --> 00:58:18,427
Long before
dawn, news helicopters

1229
00:58:18,429 --> 00:58:21,430
hovered over the state prison,
and cameras were ready.

1230
00:58:21,432 --> 00:58:23,832
Hundreds of them from
around the world.

1231
00:58:23,834 --> 00:58:25,534
Tyson issued a
written statement.

1232
00:58:25,536 --> 00:58:28,170
I'm very happy to be
out and on my way home.

1233
00:58:28,172 --> 00:58:29,805
I will have more to say later.

1234
00:58:34,445 --> 00:58:36,645
It was
viewed as good versus evil.

1235
00:58:36,647 --> 00:58:37,980
The good was Evander.

1236
00:58:37,982 --> 00:58:41,350
The good Christian guy who
talks about the lord and things

1237
00:58:41,352 --> 00:58:44,152
like that, versus
Mike, who at that time

1238
00:58:44,154 --> 00:58:47,556
was the ex-con convicted rapist.

1239
00:58:47,558 --> 00:58:51,527
But Evander was perceived to
have no chance against Mike.

1240
00:58:51,529 --> 00:58:53,362
When the fight was
first announced,

1241
00:58:53,364 --> 00:58:56,665
Evander was a 25
to one underdog.

1242
00:58:56,667 --> 00:58:58,033
I mean, that's huge odds.

1243
00:58:58,035 --> 00:59:01,136
For anybody to be 25 to one
is like, they've got to shot.

1244
00:59:03,574 --> 00:59:08,377
As expected,
Mike Tyson comes out fast.

1245
00:59:08,379 --> 00:59:10,279
- Don't push, don't
push, don't push.

1246
00:59:10,281 --> 00:59:11,346
Let's go.

1247
00:59:11,348 --> 00:59:13,482
I'm from the hood too.

1248
00:59:13,484 --> 00:59:17,319
I may not act like I'm from
there, but I'm from there.

1249
00:59:17,321 --> 00:59:21,089
Tyson never did insult me.

1250
00:59:21,091 --> 00:59:22,324
But the press did.

1251
00:59:22,326 --> 00:59:25,761
They talking about,
Tyson gonna kill you.

1252
00:59:25,763 --> 00:59:27,696
As we head for the bell.

1253
00:59:29,633 --> 00:59:32,034
They continue to
go after the bell!

1254
00:59:32,036 --> 00:59:33,636
Ain't nothing that he

1255
00:59:33,637 --> 00:59:36,605
was gonna do that I'm
not accustomed to.

1256
00:59:36,607 --> 00:59:38,574
No intimidation
factor here whatsoever.

1257
00:59:38,576 --> 00:59:39,374
- Great!

1258
00:59:39,376 --> 00:59:39,841
Step easy.

1259
00:59:39,843 --> 00:59:41,043
Back.

1260
00:59:41,045 --> 00:59:43,078
I knew he was gonna be tough,

1261
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,514
but I had watched
him my whole life.

1262
00:59:45,516 --> 00:59:49,184
It was almost like,
this is the fight.

1263
00:59:49,186 --> 00:59:53,589
The crowd behind Holyfield.

1264
00:59:53,591 --> 00:59:55,557
Holyfield!

1265
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:58,527
Chants of Holyfield
as the crowd sensing

1266
00:59:58,529 --> 01:00:02,965
that Holyfield might
have Tyson in trouble.

1267
01:00:02,967 --> 01:00:06,768
- Mike just wore down from not
being able to hurt Evander,

1268
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:09,871
and that was something that he
had never experienced before.

1269
01:00:09,873 --> 01:00:10,839
Tyson in trouble!

1270
01:00:10,841 --> 01:00:13,275
Tyson's ready to go!

1271
01:00:13,277 --> 01:00:17,212
Stops the fight,
and Holyfield has the win!

1272
01:00:17,214 --> 01:00:18,647
I can't believe what I'm seeing.

1273
01:00:18,649 --> 01:00:20,115
It's the most
unbelievable thing I've

1274
01:00:20,117 --> 01:00:22,217
ever been privileged to witness.

1275
01:00:22,219 --> 01:00:23,518
It was one of the most

1276
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,153
complete fights I ever fought.

1277
01:00:31,195 --> 01:00:32,661
That was Holyfield's greatest

1278
01:00:32,663 --> 01:00:33,996
achievement.

1279
01:00:33,998 --> 01:00:37,933
Evander Holyfield ended up
being in some of the largest

1280
01:00:37,935 --> 01:00:42,070
pay per view matches in
the history of the sport,

1281
01:00:42,072 --> 01:00:44,740
but it took him a long
time to get there.

1282
01:00:44,742 --> 01:00:46,708
Evander Holyfield
was not just a good fighter.

1283
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:47,776
He was a great fighter.

1284
01:00:47,778 --> 01:00:49,544
He's an underrated
heavyweight in my mind.

1285
01:00:49,546 --> 01:00:52,714
Very arguably belongs in the
top 10 heavyweights of all time

1286
01:00:52,716 --> 01:00:53,882
even though he was a little guy.

1287
01:00:53,884 --> 01:00:55,283
Started as a cruiser weight.

1288
01:00:55,285 --> 01:00:56,285
Tyson.

1289
01:01:00,024 --> 01:01:02,124
I don't think he became
what he could've been.

1290
01:01:07,965 --> 01:01:10,132
Boxing, as we imagine it,

1291
01:01:10,134 --> 01:01:15,537
is driven by a desire to
annihilate the opponent.

1292
01:01:15,539 --> 01:01:18,607
The focus is on the external.

1293
01:01:18,609 --> 01:01:22,778
Looking at what
boxers themselves say

1294
01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:25,747
is that it's about the internal.

1295
01:01:25,749 --> 01:01:27,049
It's about the discipline.

1296
01:01:27,051 --> 01:01:28,750
It's about the craft.

1297
01:01:28,752 --> 01:01:30,952
That it's not about
the opponent.

1298
01:01:30,954 --> 01:01:34,656
It's not about the external,
but it's about the internal.

1299
01:01:34,658 --> 01:01:37,859
It's about self.

1300
01:01:37,861 --> 01:01:40,495
When you win, everybody wins.

1301
01:01:40,497 --> 01:01:41,830
When you lose, you lose alone.

1302
01:01:41,832 --> 01:01:43,965
And that's the
truth, because you

1303
01:01:43,967 --> 01:01:45,534
have to deal with
that by yourself.

1304
01:01:48,372 --> 01:01:50,338
There's a large
degree to which the fighter

1305
01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:54,109
that achieves stardom,
super stardom, they

1306
01:01:54,111 --> 01:01:56,845
represent the American
dream to people.

1307
01:01:56,847 --> 01:01:59,815
They, the underdog
that makes it.

1308
01:01:59,817 --> 01:02:00,916
But I gotta be
honest with you, I

1309
01:02:00,918 --> 01:02:02,651
think a lot of that's
greatly overstated.

1310
01:02:05,522 --> 01:02:07,689
Mike Tyson, the
biggest athlete by far

1311
01:02:07,691 --> 01:02:11,693
of the 1990s, and biggest
athlete of the 1990s,

1312
01:02:11,695 --> 01:02:15,797
and certainly a
super star boxer,

1313
01:02:15,799 --> 01:02:20,302
suffered a lot of ups and downs
and was never really protected

1314
01:02:20,304 --> 01:02:22,337
by the people that
surrounded him

1315
01:02:22,339 --> 01:02:25,173
for the majority of his career.

1316
01:02:25,175 --> 01:02:28,143
My self worth,
even when I was a child,

1317
01:02:28,145 --> 01:02:30,846
depended on how much
I could hurt someone.

1318
01:02:30,848 --> 01:02:33,415
And as I got older and
I met Cus, that, well,

1319
01:02:33,417 --> 01:02:37,152
it continued to be how many
people I could knock out,

1320
01:02:37,154 --> 01:02:40,722
how fast I could knock them
out, how bad I could hurt them.

1321
01:02:40,724 --> 01:02:45,026
And so it just
stayed on that path.

1322
01:02:45,028 --> 01:02:47,028
The kid doesn't
have a normal home environment,

1323
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:49,698
doesn't have a normal
support system around him,

1324
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:52,367
and then he's basically trained
to be a fighting machine.

1325
01:02:52,369 --> 01:02:53,735
His life was crazy.

1326
01:02:53,737 --> 01:02:57,305
Tyson was a pit bull.

1327
01:02:57,307 --> 01:02:59,341
The ear biting incident
was a check out.

1328
01:02:59,343 --> 01:03:02,277
Mike was messed up.

1329
01:03:02,279 --> 01:03:05,580
I'm sure he'd be the first
one to tell you that.

1330
01:03:05,582 --> 01:03:07,616
You have to
understand, this is just what I

1331
01:03:07,618 --> 01:03:10,719
did, seven years of my life,
eight years of my life.

1332
01:03:10,721 --> 01:03:13,755
My greatest moment was
when I stopped boxing.

1333
01:03:13,757 --> 01:03:15,657
It was just dark for me.

1334
01:03:15,659 --> 01:03:18,894
Boxing got real dark for me.

1335
01:03:18,896 --> 01:03:22,898
A stunned crowd here
at the MCI Center in Washington

1336
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:30,900
DC as McBride defeats Mike
Tyson, who quits on his stool.

1337
01:03:30,908 --> 01:03:32,440
- I got an ability
to stay in shape,

1338
01:03:32,442 --> 01:03:34,943
but I don't got the fighting
guys, I don't think, anymore.

1339
01:03:34,945 --> 01:03:36,444
When did you recognize that?

1340
01:03:36,446 --> 01:03:37,612
At what part of the fight?

1341
01:03:37,614 --> 01:03:38,480
- I don't know.

1342
01:03:38,482 --> 01:03:41,483
Early into the fight.

1343
01:03:41,485 --> 01:03:42,751
I'm just sorry I
let everybody down.

1344
01:03:42,753 --> 01:03:46,922
I mean, I just don't have
this in my heart anymore.

1345
01:03:46,924 --> 01:03:48,123
Did you feel as though you

1346
01:03:48,125 --> 01:03:49,624
had it coming into the fight?

1347
01:03:49,626 --> 01:03:50,926
- No.

1348
01:03:50,928 --> 01:03:54,329
I'm just fighting to take
care of my bills, basically.

1349
01:03:54,331 --> 01:03:56,598
We know from
studies of lottery winners,

1350
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,967
of professional
athletes, anyone who

1351
01:03:58,969 --> 01:04:01,469
comes into a sudden
windfall of money,

1352
01:04:01,471 --> 01:04:03,338
be careful what you
wish for, because that

1353
01:04:03,340 --> 01:04:05,106
creates more problems.

1354
01:04:05,108 --> 01:04:07,008
You have everybody coming
out of the woodwork

1355
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:08,490
to try to get a piece
of your action.

1356
01:04:15,586 --> 01:04:19,120
Tyson has pulled
in an estimated $300 million.

1357
01:04:19,122 --> 01:04:21,056
He could have made
more if he hadn't

1358
01:04:21,058 --> 01:04:22,657
racked up the prison time.

1359
01:04:22,659 --> 01:04:26,428
And who knows how much he's lost
in lawsuits or to the managers

1360
01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:28,230
he claims ripped him off?

1361
01:04:28,232 --> 01:04:31,499
The bottom line, Tyson
then, $300 million.

1362
01:04:31,501 --> 01:04:33,935
Tyson now, chapter 11.

1363
01:04:33,937 --> 01:04:36,805
- It's a sport where
you can be used.

1364
01:04:36,807 --> 01:04:39,875
There's no training
about how to handle

1365
01:04:39,877 --> 01:04:41,877
yourself outside the ring.

1366
01:04:41,879 --> 01:04:45,747
Very few boxers are taught about
how to handle their money.

1367
01:04:45,749 --> 01:04:49,117
- If you don't have a good
team of people around you,

1368
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:50,385
you will kill yourself.

1369
01:04:50,387 --> 01:04:53,154
You will crash and burn,
because every level of success

1370
01:04:53,156 --> 01:04:56,925
you have, you hit a wall
that you have to learn more.

1371
01:04:56,927 --> 01:04:58,760
I will always
wonder why Mike Tyson didn't

1372
01:04:58,762 --> 01:05:03,398
declare bankruptcy years before
his tax issues became crushing.

1373
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,033
I mean, he clearly was bankrupt.

1374
01:05:05,035 --> 01:05:06,368
Why didn't he
declare bankruptcy?

1375
01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:09,204
Because it was in people's
interests to keep his contracts

1376
01:05:09,206 --> 01:05:11,606
alive with those he
was doing business.

1377
01:05:11,608 --> 01:05:13,174
- Days after filing
for bankruptcy,

1378
01:05:13,176 --> 01:05:16,344
boxer Mike Tyson has filed suit
against his former promoter,

1379
01:05:16,346 --> 01:05:17,479
Don King.

1380
01:05:17,481 --> 01:05:20,181
- Don was... I mean,
he knew everybody.

1381
01:05:20,183 --> 01:05:22,350
It's like he was a
step ahead of us.

1382
01:05:22,352 --> 01:05:24,419
How could you prepare
for something like that?

1383
01:05:24,421 --> 01:05:26,321
You don't know who's
trying to take

1384
01:05:26,323 --> 01:05:28,523
from you, who loves
you, who likes you.

1385
01:05:28,525 --> 01:05:31,626
You don't know if somebody's
trying to set you up.

1386
01:05:31,628 --> 01:05:33,194
- Even when you play
by the rule book,

1387
01:05:33,196 --> 01:05:36,498
you find a person that has that
same energy that the person had

1388
01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:41,136
that was trying to rob you,
but they won't even give you

1389
01:05:41,138 --> 01:05:44,472
courtesy of pointing
a gun at you.

1390
01:05:44,474 --> 01:05:46,574
They'll rob you and do
it in black and white.

1391
01:05:46,576 --> 01:05:48,777
And I seen people do
worse things to you

1392
01:05:48,779 --> 01:05:54,349
in corporate settings than I
seen them do on the street.

1393
01:05:54,351 --> 01:05:55,517
Take everything from you.

1394
01:05:58,488 --> 01:06:02,757
There are
bottom feeders that will attach

1395
01:06:02,759 --> 01:06:05,360
themselves with
their law license,

1396
01:06:05,362 --> 01:06:11,333
with their business savvy to
a fighter from Brooklyn, New

1397
01:06:11,335 --> 01:06:14,869
York, Philly, or any
other place that

1398
01:06:14,871 --> 01:06:17,405
don't have really the education.

1399
01:06:17,407 --> 01:06:19,541
Just ask Atlanta
car dealer Ken Sanders

1400
01:06:19,543 --> 01:06:21,009
who took Holyfield
under his wing

1401
01:06:21,011 --> 01:06:24,946
when he needed a cosigner for
a car and became his manager.

1402
01:06:24,948 --> 01:06:26,815
Ken Sanders wasn't my manager.

1403
01:06:26,817 --> 01:06:29,050
I just told people that
because he ran a car

1404
01:06:29,052 --> 01:06:31,519
dealership so he
knew about money.

1405
01:06:31,521 --> 01:06:33,755
I got into boxing
because all I had

1406
01:06:33,757 --> 01:06:35,423
to do what know how to fight.

1407
01:06:35,425 --> 01:06:37,292
I didn't know nobody
who know about money.

1408
01:06:37,294 --> 01:06:40,362
I don't know nobody who
made a lot of money.

1409
01:06:40,364 --> 01:06:43,431
I mean, even
when you hit the Powerball,

1410
01:06:43,433 --> 01:06:45,000
the first thing
people will tell you

1411
01:06:45,002 --> 01:06:47,535
is, get an accountant
and a lawyer.

1412
01:06:47,537 --> 01:06:50,939
Well, boxing is the same
way, but they don't tell you.

1413
01:06:50,941 --> 01:06:55,276
That's why most athletes wind
up not having nothing when

1414
01:06:55,278 --> 01:06:59,314
all the hard labor and
years in the ring is over.

1415
01:06:59,316 --> 01:07:01,016
- You ask Mike Tyson,
how you doing, Mike.

1416
01:07:01,018 --> 01:07:02,984
He says, just
living today today.

1417
01:07:02,986 --> 01:07:03,785
That's what he's doing.

1418
01:07:03,787 --> 01:07:05,487
Just living today today.

1419
01:07:05,489 --> 01:07:07,756
- You can look at people
like Evander Holyfield

1420
01:07:07,758 --> 01:07:12,127
that made hundreds of millions
of dollars whose houses went

1421
01:07:12,129 --> 01:07:16,765
into foreclosure and who's
struggling right now to get by.

1422
01:07:16,767 --> 01:07:19,334
A foreclosure notice
in the local newspaper states.

1423
01:07:19,336 --> 01:07:22,370
Holyfield defaulted on a
$10 million bank loan.

1424
01:07:22,372 --> 01:07:25,073
A strange reversal of
fortune for a champion

1425
01:07:25,075 --> 01:07:27,342
believed to have
earned $200 million

1426
01:07:27,344 --> 01:07:29,644
during his storied career.

1427
01:07:29,646 --> 01:07:32,247
The house that Holyfield
built may soon

1428
01:07:32,249 --> 01:07:36,117
become his biggest loss
outside of the ring.

1429
01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:38,853
When you get
money, you gotta ask questions.

1430
01:07:38,855 --> 01:07:40,288
I never did have
to ask questions,

1431
01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:42,257
because I'd never had no money.

1432
01:07:42,259 --> 01:07:43,892
What happened to
me is not so much

1433
01:07:43,894 --> 01:07:46,127
they stole, but they
did take advantage

1434
01:07:46,129 --> 01:07:48,129
of what I didn't know.

1435
01:07:48,131 --> 01:07:51,366
They all want
this boxer to make them money.

1436
01:07:51,368 --> 01:07:54,335
Once the boxer doesn't
make them any more money,

1437
01:07:54,337 --> 01:07:56,604
they're cast aside like rubbish.

1438
01:07:56,606 --> 01:07:58,339
You retire with a great record,

1439
01:07:58,341 --> 01:08:00,909
and then you'd be sitting on
a stool in your living room,

1440
01:08:00,911 --> 01:08:02,177
where do I go from here?

1441
01:08:02,179 --> 01:08:03,478
I don't have any skills.

1442
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:04,546
I'm not trained to do anything.

1443
01:08:04,548 --> 01:08:05,380
I'm not educated.

1444
01:08:05,382 --> 01:08:06,781
I don't have a college degree.

1445
01:08:06,783 --> 01:08:08,783
A lot of guys don't have
high school degrees.

1446
01:08:08,785 --> 01:08:11,786
It's not at all
uncommon to have even boxers

1447
01:08:11,788 --> 01:08:15,290
who had great acclaim
wind up broke,

1448
01:08:15,292 --> 01:08:19,627
penniless, as greeters
at a casino in Vegas.

1449
01:08:19,629 --> 01:08:21,096
- What you don't hear
about is the guy

1450
01:08:21,098 --> 01:08:23,665
that fights on ESPN
four times a year,

1451
01:08:23,667 --> 01:08:27,335
and after he pays his manager,
and his trainer, and everyone

1452
01:08:27,337 --> 01:08:30,105
involved, is still
at the poverty line.

1453
01:08:30,107 --> 01:08:32,740
The budgets on ESPN allow
a guy in a main event

1454
01:08:32,742 --> 01:08:35,110
to get paid about 15 grand.

1455
01:08:35,112 --> 01:08:36,744
Like I said, split
that money off,

1456
01:08:36,746 --> 01:08:38,480
train for number of
weeks for that fight,

1457
01:08:38,482 --> 01:08:41,282
and you're making... You could
make more money, honestly,

1458
01:08:41,284 --> 01:08:42,884
taking a minimum
wage job and working

1459
01:08:42,886 --> 01:08:44,953
a little bit of over time.

1460
01:08:44,955 --> 01:08:46,955
The minimum salary in
Major League Baseball,

1461
01:08:46,957 --> 01:08:50,358
even in minor league
baseball, is livable.

1462
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,927
There is no minimum
salary for a fighter.

1463
01:08:52,929 --> 01:08:57,932
The top 1% fighters
probably make 99% of money.

1464
01:08:57,934 --> 01:09:01,536
- Boxing is laissez-faire
capitalism run amok.

1465
01:09:01,538 --> 01:09:05,073
There is essentially no
one running the ship.

1466
01:09:05,075 --> 01:09:07,842
There's different organizations
that run a piece of it.

1467
01:09:07,844 --> 01:09:12,113
There's promoters who go up and
down and control parts of it,

1468
01:09:12,115 --> 01:09:16,784
but there are essentially
no regulations.

1469
01:09:16,786 --> 01:09:19,587
Boxing is
regulated at the state level.

1470
01:09:19,589 --> 01:09:21,456
You have Nevada with
its set of rules,

1471
01:09:21,458 --> 01:09:23,525
you have California with its set
of rules, you have New York,

1472
01:09:23,527 --> 01:09:24,759
you have New Jersey.

1473
01:09:24,761 --> 01:09:26,594
Jurisdictions will have
a different perspective

1474
01:09:26,596 --> 01:09:28,329
on a different
matter, and nobody

1475
01:09:28,331 --> 01:09:30,064
is on the same
page at all times.

1476
01:09:30,066 --> 01:09:32,667
Most people think that we
need a federal commission

1477
01:09:32,669 --> 01:09:35,236
to regulate the sport of boxing.

1478
01:09:35,238 --> 01:09:37,405
The federal government
tempted to regulate boxing

1479
01:09:37,407 --> 01:09:39,307
by the passage of the Ali Act.

1480
01:09:39,309 --> 01:09:42,143
It's given some authority
to the federal government

1481
01:09:42,145 --> 01:09:45,747
to enforce boxing from
a business perspective.

1482
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:49,984
However, there has not been any
prosecution or implementation

1483
01:09:49,986 --> 01:09:52,487
of the Ali Act for a fighter.

1484
01:09:52,489 --> 01:09:57,192
- Why is it every sport in
America is regulated or has

1485
01:09:57,194 --> 01:10:00,461
some type of union
and boxing don't?

1486
01:10:08,371 --> 01:10:10,772
- In other sports like
baseball, football, tennis,

1487
01:10:10,774 --> 01:10:14,108
you have individuals who are
well educated in those sports

1488
01:10:14,110 --> 01:10:17,011
to help guide those champions
through their effort

1489
01:10:17,013 --> 01:10:18,146
and their time.

1490
01:10:18,148 --> 01:10:20,114
- If you're an NFL player,
or an NBA player,

1491
01:10:20,116 --> 01:10:21,616
or a Major League
Baseball player,

1492
01:10:21,618 --> 01:10:23,618
there is at least a core.

1493
01:10:23,620 --> 01:10:24,852
You have the team.

1494
01:10:24,854 --> 01:10:27,422
You have whatever resources
they have to help you.

1495
01:10:27,424 --> 01:10:29,184
You have the league
that has some resources.

1496
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:39,267
Who do we go to?

1497
01:10:39,269 --> 01:10:42,370
It's crazy to put your
body and your mind

1498
01:10:42,372 --> 01:10:44,839
through this hard way
of making a living

1499
01:10:44,841 --> 01:10:46,741
for yourself and your family.

1500
01:10:46,743 --> 01:10:51,980
And to wind up with nothing and
not even your health, to me,

1501
01:10:51,982 --> 01:10:53,715
is a sin.

1502
01:10:53,717 --> 01:10:55,083
We as a country,

1503
01:10:55,085 --> 01:10:58,286
are in love with our sports, but
when these two fighters step

1504
01:10:58,288 --> 01:11:01,389
into a ring, there is a
level of violence that

1505
01:11:01,391 --> 01:11:03,758
is unlike any other
sport in terms

1506
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,427
of duration and intensity.

1507
01:11:06,429 --> 01:11:09,631
When a fighter receives a
blow that is so severe,

1508
01:11:09,633 --> 01:11:11,332
what's going on inside
the head is the brain

1509
01:11:11,334 --> 01:11:13,835
is suddenly slammed against
the back of your skull

1510
01:11:13,837 --> 01:11:16,638
and then thrown forward again
as the head snaps back.

1511
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,873
It's commonly
called a concussion.

1512
01:11:26,916 --> 01:11:30,318
It can swell and cause
long term hematomas,

1513
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,887
bleeding on the brain,
memory loss, strokes

1514
01:11:32,889 --> 01:11:34,922
or aneurysms, or
vessel breakage.

1515
01:11:44,301 --> 01:11:47,735
It can cause death depending
on how severe, how acute,

1516
01:11:47,737 --> 01:11:50,571
where the brain actually
impacts the skull.

1517
01:11:50,573 --> 01:11:54,042
It has happened where a
fighter will leave the ring.

1518
01:11:54,044 --> 01:11:56,210
Whether they've won or
lost, they look fine.

1519
01:11:56,212 --> 01:11:59,047
They head out to dinner,
everything's wonderful,

1520
01:11:59,049 --> 01:12:01,015
and one, to two, to
three days later,

1521
01:12:01,017 --> 01:12:03,651
something traumatic happens.

1522
01:12:03,653 --> 01:12:05,119
I had a young champion,

1523
01:12:05,121 --> 01:12:06,921
a guy named Leavander Johnson.

1524
01:12:06,923 --> 01:12:07,955
He was walking out of the ring.

1525
01:12:07,957 --> 01:12:09,791
I walked out of the
ring behind him

1526
01:12:09,793 --> 01:12:11,959
and I saw he was a little
unsteady on his feet.

1527
01:12:11,961 --> 01:12:13,761
He put his arm on
me and I walked

1528
01:12:13,763 --> 01:12:15,697
him back to his dressing room.

1529
01:12:15,699 --> 01:12:18,566
He was apologizing for losing.

1530
01:12:18,568 --> 01:12:20,101
And I'll never forget it.

1531
01:12:20,103 --> 01:12:22,003
He sat on a stool,
then he looked at me

1532
01:12:22,005 --> 01:12:24,072
and he said, Lou,
I have a headache.

1533
01:12:24,074 --> 01:12:27,442
And then he fell forward and he
never regained consciousness.

1534
01:12:27,444 --> 01:12:31,312
He died, I think, it was
five, six days later.

1535
01:12:31,314 --> 01:12:35,283
- Every society, for the most
part, on the face of the Earth

1536
01:12:35,285 --> 01:12:38,386
has some primal
need for violence.

1537
01:12:40,957 --> 01:12:42,597
It's always there,
that bloodthirstiness.

1538
01:12:45,595 --> 01:12:49,097
It's human nature
to be fascinated by violence.

1539
01:12:49,099 --> 01:12:51,632
We hear a car wreck, we
go see what happened.

1540
01:12:51,634 --> 01:12:52,767
Horror movies.

1541
01:12:52,769 --> 01:12:56,371
How's somebody gonna be
eaten alive or torn up?

1542
01:12:56,373 --> 01:12:57,739
It's all over the place.

1543
01:12:57,741 --> 01:13:01,609
We are just attracted
by confrontation,

1544
01:13:01,611 --> 01:13:04,512
by conflict, by controversy.

1545
01:13:04,514 --> 01:13:10,084
That's what sells and that's
what boxing tries to sell.

1546
01:13:10,086 --> 01:13:13,254
Boxing needs
something that can say, hey,

1547
01:13:13,256 --> 01:13:16,124
there is support for a fighter.

1548
01:13:16,126 --> 01:13:18,559
The fighter is the one who's
putting his life in danger

1549
01:13:18,561 --> 01:13:20,762
to enter that ring and
provide entertainment

1550
01:13:20,764 --> 01:13:22,163
to everybody that's there.

1551
01:13:22,165 --> 01:13:24,832
However, we have to weigh
the resources we have

1552
01:13:24,834 --> 01:13:26,501
with the actual
regulation of the sport.

1553
01:13:26,503 --> 01:13:29,370
Over the last year, we
generated about $5.5 million

1554
01:13:29,372 --> 01:13:32,473
in tax revenue just
from ticket sales.

1555
01:13:32,475 --> 01:13:35,109
The state legislature then
makes an appropriation

1556
01:13:35,111 --> 01:13:37,545
to the Athletic Commission,
and that allocation

1557
01:13:37,547 --> 01:13:39,647
is about $450,000.

1558
01:13:39,649 --> 01:13:43,184
So there's a huge disparity
from a regulative prospective.

1559
01:13:43,186 --> 01:13:45,453
I'm concerned
right now about the sport.

1560
01:13:45,455 --> 01:13:49,290
People in life have a right
to take risks and a right

1561
01:13:49,292 --> 01:13:51,426
to live the lives
they want to live.

1562
01:13:51,428 --> 01:13:54,529
Now, that being said, it's
barbaric in a lot of ways

1563
01:13:54,531 --> 01:13:58,566
that there's no standardized
health and safety

1564
01:13:58,568 --> 01:13:59,934
criteria in the United States.

1565
01:13:59,936 --> 01:14:01,569
Think about that.

1566
01:14:01,571 --> 01:14:02,937
It's preposterous.

1567
01:14:02,939 --> 01:14:05,773
It's high time
that boxing began to regulate

1568
01:14:05,775 --> 01:14:08,776
just like other pro
sports like the NFL.

1569
01:14:08,778 --> 01:14:13,414
- When there's no checks and
balances, there's a problem.

1570
01:14:13,416 --> 01:14:14,882
When you see the people who

1571
01:14:14,884 --> 01:14:17,585
come from nothing, who come
from less than nothing,

1572
01:14:17,587 --> 01:14:20,421
to see them perform
and to see them give

1573
01:14:20,423 --> 01:14:24,826
such great entertainment
is an amazing thing.

1574
01:14:24,828 --> 01:14:27,595
But as important as it is
for us to celebrate them

1575
01:14:27,597 --> 01:14:30,064
at the top of where they
are, it's as important

1576
01:14:30,066 --> 01:14:32,867
that we figure out
how to carry them

1577
01:14:32,869 --> 01:14:34,836
when they need us the most.

1578
01:14:34,838 --> 01:14:36,504
There are
some great success stories

1579
01:14:36,506 --> 01:14:37,939
and some great
stories of those who

1580
01:14:37,941 --> 01:14:42,443
escape prison, escape
the street and make it.

1581
01:14:42,445 --> 01:14:44,579
But for every one of those
guys, there's a sad story

1582
01:14:44,581 --> 01:14:46,647
and there's a story of
someone who's exploited,

1583
01:14:46,649 --> 01:14:49,383
or a story of someone who loses
their health in the long term,

1584
01:14:49,385 --> 01:14:52,153
or a story that somebody
who becomes a champion

1585
01:14:52,155 --> 01:14:54,322
and toils for years,
and then winds up

1586
01:14:54,324 --> 01:14:56,591
retired with virtually nothing.

1587
01:14:56,593 --> 01:14:59,093
It's the American dream and
it's the American nightmare.

1588
01:15:15,778 --> 01:15:17,745
When I'm over here
and I'm looking at the Vegas

1589
01:15:17,747 --> 01:15:20,648
strip, I can think about all the
trouble I got in over there.

1590
01:15:20,650 --> 01:15:22,083
All the drugs I used there.

1591
01:15:25,321 --> 01:15:28,222
I never even think about all
the great fights I had there.

1592
01:15:28,224 --> 01:15:29,957
I just think about
all the things

1593
01:15:29,959 --> 01:15:34,095
I did there, wasn't
really moral.

1594
01:15:34,097 --> 01:15:37,865
All I did is knock
people out, screw people,

1595
01:15:37,867 --> 01:15:40,034
have sex with women,
get high on drugs.

1596
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,072
When me and my wife
first got together,

1597
01:15:45,074 --> 01:15:46,340
I was a full blown addict.

1598
01:15:51,214 --> 01:15:54,348
My daughter passed
away at four years old.

1599
01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:56,918
What happened was a
tragic accident at home.

1600
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,252
That's my lowest point.

1601
01:16:02,992 --> 01:16:04,559
When I was at the
hospital, I realized

1602
01:16:04,561 --> 01:16:06,994
that other people's
children were dying too.

1603
01:16:06,996 --> 01:16:09,330
And those people, just
because I'm famous,

1604
01:16:09,332 --> 01:16:11,299
they took out of their way,
left their dying children,

1605
01:16:11,301 --> 01:16:13,568
their sick children, came
over here and prayed with me.

1606
01:16:13,570 --> 01:16:14,769
Then I realized, well, hey.

1607
01:16:14,771 --> 01:16:16,837
Their baby's dying too.

1608
01:16:16,839 --> 01:16:19,473
So what makes you so important
that you think you should

1609
01:16:19,475 --> 01:16:21,175
be mad and angry,
want to kill somebody,

1610
01:16:21,177 --> 01:16:22,977
and do... just do
this whole tough guy

1611
01:16:22,979 --> 01:16:24,912
stuff because your baby's dying?

1612
01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:26,180
Their baby's dying
too, and they left

1613
01:16:26,182 --> 01:16:27,481
them to come over
here and talk to you.

1614
01:16:27,483 --> 01:16:29,550
You ain't shit, motherfucker.

1615
01:16:29,552 --> 01:16:31,185
You don't care about nobody.

1616
01:16:31,187 --> 01:16:32,453
These people left
their fucking baby

1617
01:16:32,455 --> 01:16:34,922
to talk to your no
good fucking ass.

1618
01:16:34,924 --> 01:16:37,158
And, um, that's
just what it was.

1619
01:16:40,797 --> 01:16:43,230
And it's not about me.

1620
01:16:43,232 --> 01:16:45,166
The world's bigger than me.

1621
01:16:48,538 --> 01:16:50,905
My wife, she stayed
by me and said,

1622
01:16:50,907 --> 01:16:52,540
we're gonna get through this.

1623
01:16:52,542 --> 01:16:53,941
Just kept it very positive.

1624
01:16:53,943 --> 01:16:54,943
Constantly positive.

1625
01:16:57,614 --> 01:17:00,715
I just wanted to change.

1626
01:17:00,717 --> 01:17:03,384
I wanted to break the
chain of self bondage

1627
01:17:03,386 --> 01:17:05,753
that my mother and father
and her mother and father

1628
01:17:05,755 --> 01:17:07,121
probably had.

1629
01:17:07,123 --> 01:17:10,858
And I wanted it to change with
me so my kids wouldn't have

1630
01:17:10,860 --> 01:17:14,595
to deal with that
same suffering.

1631
01:17:14,597 --> 01:17:17,932
I'm so happy to be involved
with the recovery world.

1632
01:17:17,934 --> 01:17:21,135
I met a bunch of people that
were just amazing people.

1633
01:17:21,137 --> 01:17:22,203
They didn't quit on me.

1634
01:17:22,205 --> 01:17:23,571
They didn't give up
on me like the rest

1635
01:17:23,573 --> 01:17:26,340
of the people in my life.

1636
01:17:26,342 --> 01:17:29,010
It's an ongoing struggle.

1637
01:17:29,012 --> 01:17:32,146
The pain never goes away.

1638
01:17:32,148 --> 01:17:35,116
I'm never in a situation that
I'm so secure that I could

1639
01:17:35,118 --> 01:17:39,654
never fall back into that nasty,
dirty, disgusting, wretched

1640
01:17:39,656 --> 01:17:41,088
individual that I once was.

1641
01:17:41,090 --> 01:17:45,526
I never think that
guy's gone totally.

1642
01:17:45,528 --> 01:17:47,294
It's time now where I
have to deal with things

1643
01:17:47,296 --> 01:17:50,231
from a serious perspective,
and how me and my family

1644
01:17:50,233 --> 01:17:51,793
are gonna evolve from
that perspective.

1645
01:17:59,175 --> 01:18:01,676
He had to make adjustments.

1646
01:18:01,678 --> 01:18:04,845
Adjustment's part of life.

1647
01:18:04,847 --> 01:18:06,047
Disappointment.

1648
01:18:06,049 --> 01:18:07,715
That's the biggest fight.

1649
01:18:07,717 --> 01:18:11,018
You want to see how
strong somebody is?

1650
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:13,587
Have them get disappointed.

1651
01:18:13,589 --> 01:18:15,523
It's over.

1652
01:18:15,525 --> 01:18:16,490
That's it.

1653
01:18:16,492 --> 01:18:17,425
It is over.

1654
01:18:17,427 --> 01:18:18,759
That's it.

1655
01:18:18,761 --> 01:18:22,730
Evander Holyfield
has never been knocked out,

1656
01:18:22,732 --> 01:18:27,635
and Riddick Bowe is
the one to do it.

1657
01:18:27,637 --> 01:18:30,004
If I was Holyfield
or any of his team members,

1658
01:18:30,006 --> 01:18:33,941
I'd really have to reevaluate if
he's fit to continue to fight.

1659
01:18:33,943 --> 01:18:35,876
With all the health problems
and the heart conditions,

1660
01:18:35,878 --> 01:18:37,545
is Evander Holyfield
just completely done?

1661
01:18:37,547 --> 01:18:40,047
We don't know.

1662
01:18:40,049 --> 01:18:41,148
My mother passed

1663
01:18:41,150 --> 01:18:44,151
before I fought Mike Tyson.

1664
01:18:44,153 --> 01:18:48,289
My brother passed before
I fought Riddick Bowe.

1665
01:18:48,291 --> 01:18:50,224
I had a lot of tragedy
in my family and stuff.

1666
01:18:50,226 --> 01:18:53,194
So, you know, you have
to put them behind.

1667
01:18:53,196 --> 01:18:54,695
And the continuing life

1668
01:18:54,697 --> 01:18:56,297
in the ring of
Evander Holyfield.

1669
01:18:56,299 --> 01:18:58,165
Don't count me out yet, he says.

1670
01:18:58,167 --> 01:19:01,435
And tonight, with some
new gas in the tank.

1671
01:19:01,437 --> 01:19:04,305
Evander Holyfield
was an all time great.

1672
01:19:04,307 --> 01:19:06,674
But Evander didn't understand
that the shell life

1673
01:19:06,676 --> 01:19:08,242
of a fighter is limited.

1674
01:19:08,244 --> 01:19:12,046
We may be
seeing the end of an era.

1675
01:19:12,048 --> 01:19:16,817
And I think they
throw in the towel.

1676
01:19:16,819 --> 01:19:18,886
I think he was
forced to fight way too long.

1677
01:19:18,888 --> 01:19:23,257
Fights at the end of his career
are for virtually no money.

1678
01:19:23,259 --> 01:19:26,560
Evander is very
confident in what he believes.

1679
01:19:26,562 --> 01:19:29,096
His stubbornness
can be his greatest

1680
01:19:29,098 --> 01:19:34,001
asset and his
greatest liability.

1681
01:19:34,003 --> 01:19:36,771
I didn't
get into boxing for money.

1682
01:19:36,773 --> 01:19:39,907
I got into boxing because I
wanted to be the very best.

1683
01:19:39,909 --> 01:19:41,942
I'm the only person who's
been the heavyweight champion

1684
01:19:41,944 --> 01:19:46,580
of the world five times, because
I got that many opportunities.

1685
01:19:46,582 --> 01:19:48,849
Everybody's gonna
get off the path,

1686
01:19:48,851 --> 01:19:50,451
but the point is
to get back on it.

1687
01:19:50,453 --> 01:19:54,255
Forgive yourself
and get back on.

1688
01:19:54,257 --> 01:19:56,390
Evander Holyfield
has faced plenty of opponents

1689
01:19:56,392 --> 01:19:58,192
in the ring, but
nothing like this.

1690
01:19:58,194 --> 01:20:00,728
Together with his friend
and financier Yank Barry,

1691
01:20:00,730 --> 01:20:02,563
they plan to deliver
food aid and help

1692
01:20:02,565 --> 01:20:04,532
resettle Syrian
refugees in a home

1693
01:20:04,534 --> 01:20:06,734
supplied by Barry's charity.

1694
01:20:06,736 --> 01:20:07,868
Yank Barry used

1695
01:20:07,870 --> 01:20:10,504
my likeness to draw the people.

1696
01:20:10,506 --> 01:20:14,842
I was on my last leg, but this
man gave me an opportunity

1697
01:20:14,844 --> 01:20:17,044
to fight back these
people who were

1698
01:20:17,046 --> 01:20:19,346
taking my memorabilia
and all this.

1699
01:20:19,348 --> 01:20:22,683
He did it himself.

1700
01:20:22,685 --> 01:20:25,286
I think Evander
has come to that realization

1701
01:20:25,288 --> 01:20:28,956
that he needs to be Evander
Holyfield and not necessarily.

1702
01:20:28,958 --> 01:20:31,125
Evander Holyfield, four
time heavyweight champion

1703
01:20:31,127 --> 01:20:32,426
of the world.

1704
01:20:32,428 --> 01:20:33,894
If it wasn't for that Boys.

1705
01:20:33,896 --> 01:20:37,765
Club and other people who
had money who sponsored me

1706
01:20:37,767 --> 01:20:41,802
as a kid, I wouldn't
be who I am.

1707
01:20:41,804 --> 01:20:44,705
The work that I'm doing
now with Global Village,

1708
01:20:44,707 --> 01:20:46,807
that's what life
is really about.

1709
01:20:46,809 --> 01:20:48,375
I go to Heaven, they
ain't gonna be asking me,

1710
01:20:48,377 --> 01:20:50,044
how many times you became
the heavyweight champion

1711
01:20:50,046 --> 01:20:51,178
of the world.

1712
01:20:51,180 --> 01:20:53,147
He's gonna ask, what did
you do for the people.

1713
01:20:53,149 --> 01:20:56,050
The reason why you exist in
the world is to help somebody.

1714
01:20:56,052 --> 01:20:58,185
Not just for yourself.

1715
01:20:58,187 --> 01:21:00,187
- One of my best friends
was Muhammad Ali.

1716
01:21:00,189 --> 01:21:01,422
Muhammad's health
started failing

1717
01:21:01,424 --> 01:21:05,159
and I had to pick a new
goodwill ambassador.

1718
01:21:05,161 --> 01:21:05,960
It was Evander.

1719
01:21:05,962 --> 01:21:08,028
And Evander brought in Mike.

1720
01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:10,564
- He brought... You bought him in?

1721
01:21:10,566 --> 01:21:12,199
- Yep.

1722
01:21:12,201 --> 01:21:15,202
- Evander Holyfield has been
very gracious with Mike.

1723
01:21:15,204 --> 01:21:18,839
Mike bit a portion
of his ear off.

1724
01:21:18,841 --> 01:21:22,376
That takes a lot of compassion,
a lot of love in your heart,

1725
01:21:22,378 --> 01:21:23,444
to forgive someone.

1726
01:21:23,446 --> 01:21:26,347
- If you forgive, then
you'll have peace.

1727
01:21:26,349 --> 01:21:28,816
You won't have people fighting
each other all the time.

1728
01:21:28,818 --> 01:21:31,819
That's what makes the world
go around is people forgive.

1729
01:21:31,821 --> 01:21:33,921
- What did you think when
Evander called you and said,

1730
01:21:33,923 --> 01:21:36,523
I want you to get
involved in this project.

1731
01:21:36,525 --> 01:21:38,325
- Well, it's not like I was
doing anything, of course.

1732
01:21:38,327 --> 01:21:39,126
You know?

1733
01:21:39,128 --> 01:21:40,494
I said, hey, um, yeah.

1734
01:21:40,496 --> 01:21:41,662
OK.

1735
01:21:41,664 --> 01:21:43,631
- Well, Mike always talked
about that he never

1736
01:21:43,633 --> 01:21:46,533
wanted to be involved
in the sport again.

1737
01:21:46,535 --> 01:21:48,569
But now that he's
resurrected himself,

1738
01:21:48,571 --> 01:21:50,504
you see him going
back to boxing,

1739
01:21:50,506 --> 01:21:55,042
establishing his own promotional
company to not only help

1740
01:21:55,044 --> 01:21:58,545
the young boxers develop
into good boxers,

1741
01:21:58,547 --> 01:22:02,116
but to help them not make
some of the bad choices

1742
01:22:02,118 --> 01:22:03,217
that he made.

1743
01:22:03,219 --> 01:22:04,618
I was very critical of Mike.

1744
01:22:04,620 --> 01:22:05,986
I'm happy to see him
at a place where

1745
01:22:05,988 --> 01:22:07,955
I think he's much more
at peace, and at a better

1746
01:22:07,957 --> 01:22:10,524
place in his life than
I've ever seen him.

1747
01:22:10,526 --> 01:22:11,992
The Mike Tyson
that's there right

1748
01:22:11,994 --> 01:22:15,396
now is an honest guy trying
to do the best he can

1749
01:22:15,398 --> 01:22:17,197
to be happy and
live a good life.

1750
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:20,434
His core love of
boxing stems from the amateurs.

1751
01:22:20,436 --> 01:22:22,803
That's when it was all
about the love of the game.

1752
01:22:22,805 --> 01:22:24,838
It wasn't so much about money.

1753
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,541
And that's when boxing and
the sport is at its purest.

1754
01:22:30,446 --> 01:22:33,013
It's the adversity
that you face as a boxer that

1755
01:22:33,015 --> 01:22:35,516
really brings out
the true champion.

1756
01:22:35,518 --> 01:22:38,185
Bernard, and Mike, and
Evander, all of them

1757
01:22:38,187 --> 01:22:39,853
have faced that
kind of adversity.

1758
01:22:39,855 --> 01:22:43,590
Inside the ring, to be sure,
but outside the ring as well.

1759
01:22:43,592 --> 01:22:47,328
And I don't think we can measure
the arc of some of these people

1760
01:22:47,330 --> 01:22:49,496
until we see them go
through the adversities.

1761
01:22:49,498 --> 01:22:53,133
And when they do, it takes
a lot to come back from it.

1762
01:22:53,135 --> 01:22:56,236
The one thing that I think
keeps them coming back,

1763
01:22:56,238 --> 01:22:58,939
both in the boxing
ring and in life,

1764
01:22:58,941 --> 01:23:03,143
is the fact that boxers
have perseverance.

1765
01:23:03,145 --> 01:23:07,614
- I'm on a different mission now
that some ain't gonna like.

1766
01:23:07,616 --> 01:23:08,616
And they shouldn't.

1767
01:23:12,855 --> 01:23:15,489
What I would like to do
in my second half of life

1768
01:23:15,491 --> 01:23:17,458
is to raise what
they would perceive

1769
01:23:17,460 --> 01:23:20,461
to be hell amongst the
people that want to keep

1770
01:23:20,463 --> 01:23:25,733
a society of prey to exist
so they can take advantage

1771
01:23:25,735 --> 01:23:28,535
of the backs, and blood,
and tears of a fighter.

1772
01:23:28,537 --> 01:23:30,804
- We need to start thinking
about things in the long term,

1773
01:23:30,806 --> 01:23:32,806
and I think some of
that responsibility

1774
01:23:32,808 --> 01:23:35,242
falls on those that interact
with the fighters on a more day

1775
01:23:35,244 --> 01:23:36,610
to day basis.

1776
01:23:36,612 --> 01:23:38,612
There's one particular fighter
that has really stepped out

1777
01:23:38,614 --> 01:23:40,447
in front, and that's
Bernard Hopkins.

1778
01:23:40,449 --> 01:23:42,916
Being a part
of Golden Boy Promotion, what

1779
01:23:42,918 --> 01:23:47,354
I want to do is to take every
fighter that comes through me.

1780
01:23:47,356 --> 01:23:51,058
You've got to have
your own account.

1781
01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:55,195
You've got to have
your own attorney.

1782
01:23:55,197 --> 01:23:58,332
You've got to know what
the business is about.

1783
01:24:01,437 --> 01:24:04,104
- This was the sport of kings.

1784
01:24:04,106 --> 01:24:05,606
This sport changed history, man.

1785
01:24:05,608 --> 01:24:07,141
This sport had more to
do with the advancement

1786
01:24:07,143 --> 01:24:10,044
of the civil rights movement
than any other sport.

1787
01:24:10,046 --> 01:24:14,181
From Jack Johnson to Joe
Lewis to Muhammad Ali.

1788
01:24:14,183 --> 01:24:16,417
This is a sport that is
ingrained in the fabric

1789
01:24:16,419 --> 01:24:17,718
of this country.

1790
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,854
I think that a
resurgence is possible,

1791
01:24:20,856 --> 01:24:25,059
but there has to be
some changes made.

1792
01:24:25,061 --> 01:24:26,860
The
ultimate opponent for a fighter

1793
01:24:26,862 --> 01:24:28,762
is truth.

1794
01:24:28,764 --> 01:24:29,963
If he can be truthful
with himself,

1795
01:24:29,965 --> 01:24:31,832
if he can look at his
limitations and then

1796
01:24:31,834 --> 01:24:33,967
work on them.

1797
01:24:33,969 --> 01:24:38,072
If he can understand what he
does well and then enhance it.

1798
01:24:38,074 --> 01:24:40,541
But he has to deal in truth.

1799
01:24:40,543 --> 01:24:44,578
- When you lose, you can
only blame yourself.

1800
01:24:44,580 --> 01:24:47,748
Go back and just look
at what you did wrong.

1801
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:51,785
It's the ones that know how to
lose, and make yourself better,

1802
01:24:51,787 --> 01:24:54,021
and come back.

1803
01:24:54,023 --> 01:24:55,023
That's boxing.

1804
01:24:59,428 --> 01:25:03,464
In boxing,
you have to have challenges,

1805
01:25:03,466 --> 01:25:08,535
and you use those challenges to
take it to a different level.

1806
01:25:08,537 --> 01:25:10,938
I'm a fighter.

1807
01:25:10,940 --> 01:25:13,740
I'm that type of guy that
could've been anything else

1808
01:25:13,742 --> 01:25:17,711
in my life if I
chose to be that.

1809
01:25:17,713 --> 01:25:21,615
We all have talent in us.

1810
01:25:21,617 --> 01:25:24,985
You just gotta find it.

1811
01:25:24,987 --> 01:25:28,755
Everybody's
tested in one way or another.

1812
01:25:28,757 --> 01:25:30,791
It ain't easy.

1813
01:25:30,793 --> 01:25:33,127
Your priorities
gotta be lined up.

1814
01:25:33,129 --> 01:25:36,330
I have just as many
distractions as somebody else.

1815
01:25:36,332 --> 01:25:38,065
But I really wanted to be great.

1816
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:43,504
Victory is how you're
able to inspire

1817
01:25:43,506 --> 01:25:48,208
people to want to be better.

1818
01:25:48,210 --> 01:25:49,610
This all comes down to family,

1819
01:25:49,612 --> 01:25:51,912
love, and forgiveness,
and respect.

1820
01:25:51,914 --> 01:25:56,283
Bridging the gaps between who
I am and who I want to be.

1821
01:25:56,285 --> 01:25:58,685
I'll find different
ways of becoming

1822
01:25:58,687 --> 01:25:59,853
more conscious about myself.

1823
01:26:03,526 --> 01:26:06,727
Human beings think a lot
of themselves, you know.

1824
01:26:06,729 --> 01:26:08,462
To think that we'll be
that privileged to see

1825
01:26:08,464 --> 01:26:11,265
the end of the world.

1826
01:26:11,267 --> 01:26:14,668
I don't think we're gonna
have that privilege.

1827
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:18,005
I know there's things
that have been bad,

1828
01:26:18,007 --> 01:26:21,775
but you have to look at all the
good that's happening out here.

1829
01:26:21,777 --> 01:26:24,878
I see a new birth in the world.

1830
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:26,647
I see people
respecting people more.

1831
01:26:29,151 --> 01:26:31,552
We have to evolve.

1832
01:26:31,554 --> 01:26:34,188
This is a great world,
and it's the best deal

1833
01:26:34,190 --> 01:26:35,322
we ever got in our
life, you know.

1834
01:26:35,324 --> 01:26:37,124
Life itself.

1835
01:26:37,126 --> 01:26:38,025
We got it for nothing.

1836
01:26:38,027 --> 01:26:39,526
Look at all we got in return.

1837
01:26:46,791 --> 01:27:18,791