1 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:46,580 This record is about 2 00:00:46,580 --> 00:00:47,950 overcoming challenges. 3 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,750 It's very important to 4 00:00:50,850 --> 00:00:52,930 fight for what you feel is right. 5 00:00:57,410 --> 00:00:59,320 We were backed into a corner. 6 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:02,700 For us, it was all or nothing... 7 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:04,300 Sometimes you have to 8 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,600 fight in order to be free. 9 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:12,650 "This Is War" is an album 10 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,180 about conflict. 11 00:01:14,180 --> 00:01:15,610 We had a huge battle 12 00:01:15,610 --> 00:01:16,690 with our record company. 13 00:01:16,900 --> 00:01:18,090 The album kind of documented 14 00:01:18,310 --> 00:01:19,890 this really turbulent time 15 00:01:19,890 --> 00:01:20,670 in our lives. 16 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:24,850 There has always been a serious 17 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:27,760 distrust between an artist 18 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,600 and their record label. 19 00:01:29,700 --> 00:01:30,750 I never heard of a label 20 00:01:30,750 --> 00:01:31,820 that doesn't screw an artist. 21 00:01:31,820 --> 00:01:33,140 That's the business model 22 00:01:33,380 --> 00:01:34,360 is screwing the artist. 23 00:01:36,170 --> 00:01:38,460 None of us in a band ever dreamed 24 00:01:38,460 --> 00:01:40,310 that we would be so lucky 25 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:41,940 to have the success that we've had. 26 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:46,200 Now here we were faced 27 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,340 with the possibility 28 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:48,250 that everything was gonna be 29 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:50,430 ripped right away from us. 30 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:13,120 There is a kind of economic 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,780 perfect storm brewing 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,030 disastrous situation 33 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:17,840 they're losing their jobs 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,190 rising gas prices 35 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:22,070 My friends and fellow Americans, 36 00:02:23,550 --> 00:02:25,780 I am very pleased and 37 00:02:25,780 --> 00:02:27,750 very privileged to introduce to you 38 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,650 the next vice-president 39 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:31,700 of the United States: 40 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:43,170 Governor Sarah Palin 41 00:02:43,650 --> 00:02:45,430 of the great state of Alaska. 42 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,090 You can hear the bugles blaring. 43 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,210 The sound of the battle cry. 44 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,910 The march of the drum 45 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,280 calling me from my slumber, 46 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,900 pushing me toward 47 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,060 A new day. A new fight. 48 00:03:24,220 --> 00:03:26,810 Oh wow... Oh wow... 49 00:03:30,450 --> 00:03:31,840 It's too fucking bright. 50 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,490 It was 2008, we were on the road 51 00:03:46,490 --> 00:03:48,560 for over 2 years and had recently 52 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,110 returned to Los Angeles to work 53 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:51,350 on our third album. 54 00:03:52,750 --> 00:03:55,070 After over a decade of struggling, 55 00:03:55,070 --> 00:03:56,350 we finally had a breakthrough 56 00:03:56,350 --> 00:03:57,450 and achieved more success 57 00:03:57,450 --> 00:03:58,940 than we ever dreamed. 58 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,600 Our second album A Beautiful Lie 59 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,850 sold over 3,5 Million copies 60 00:04:04,460 --> 00:04:07,200 and gave us the chance to tour the world. 61 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:09,250 We were all incredibly excited 62 00:04:09,250 --> 00:04:10,800 about this time in our lives 63 00:04:11,210 --> 00:04:12,880 and we decided to make a film 64 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,310 about the next album but... 65 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:18,050 It quickly turned into something else. 66 00:04:21,530 --> 00:04:23,770 Thirty Seconds to Mars is being sued for... 67 00:04:23,770 --> 00:04:26,300 30 Million Dollars! Cute! Right? 68 00:04:26,620 --> 00:04:28,240 This summer, the band's label Virgin/EMI 69 00:04:28,530 --> 00:04:30,360 filed a breach-of-contract suit 70 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,670 against Thirty Seconds to Mars. 71 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:33,040 However, Jared insists 72 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,090 that the band was just exercising 73 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:36,230 their legal rights. 74 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:42,340 What do they want? 75 00:04:42,550 --> 00:04:43,690 30 Million Dollars. 76 00:04:47,050 --> 00:04:47,820 Really? 77 00:04:50,030 --> 00:04:53,560 You're being sued for 30 Million Dollars 78 00:04:54,190 --> 00:04:56,090 What are you?... Huh... 79 00:04:56,090 --> 00:04:57,270 How do you sleep at night? 80 00:04:58,850 --> 00:05:00,530 I have no idea where the number came from 81 00:05:00,730 --> 00:05:01,620 other than... 82 00:05:02,430 --> 00:05:05,930 It certainly wasn't a wink to the press or 83 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:07,830 were we clever to use the same number... 84 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:14,400 Thirty Seconds to Mars have just sold a lot of... 85 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,820 a lot of albums and never made any money. 86 00:05:16,820 --> 00:05:18,420 We weren't really expecting 87 00:05:18,420 --> 00:05:20,030 a bunch of money 88 00:05:20,350 --> 00:05:21,780 we just thought it bizarre that... 89 00:05:22,090 --> 00:05:25,820 that all this revenue was being generated 90 00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:30,530 and that we were still 2.7 Million Dollars in debt so, 91 00:05:30,530 --> 00:05:32,850 we started to look into it. 92 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:34,010 Thirty Seconds to Mars suffered a 93 00:05:34,010 --> 00:05:36,410 contract that really wasn't even 94 00:05:36,410 --> 00:05:37,570 a direct contract with EMI, 95 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:38,680 it was bad deal. 96 00:05:39,210 --> 00:05:40,660 They basically told us to shut up 97 00:05:40,660 --> 00:05:42,190 and go make another album. 98 00:05:42,290 --> 00:05:44,930 They weren't addressing our concerns 99 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:46,220 that we had with the contracts, 100 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:48,800 so we decided to terminate with EMI. 101 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,820 We've been signed for 9 years. 102 00:05:52,170 --> 00:05:53,930 Under California law, you can't be held 103 00:05:54,140 --> 00:05:55,800 bound to a contract for more than 7 years 104 00:05:56,300 --> 00:05:57,510 which the courts and myself 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,880 and we all feel is pretty reasonable. 106 00:06:03,220 --> 00:06:06,880 On July 4th 2008, we sent a termination letter 107 00:06:07,190 --> 00:06:09,690 to EMI. We sighted the 7-year statute 108 00:06:09,690 --> 00:06:11,970 which legally ended our contract 109 00:06:12,250 --> 00:06:13,220 with the company. 110 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:15,030 With any lawsuit, 111 00:06:15,330 --> 00:06:16,740 there is two sides of the argument. 112 00:06:16,990 --> 00:06:18,940 Your side of the argument was: 113 00:06:19,990 --> 00:06:22,990 "Our contract is no longer valid 114 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:25,230 because of the 7-year statute" 115 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:26,270 and their side of it is: 116 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,690 "No, that is not applicable. 117 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,120 You have a commitment based on a number of albums, 118 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,170 based on the amount of money we've spent 119 00:06:34,170 --> 00:06:37,350 and you're not free to terminate this." 120 00:06:37,350 --> 00:06:38,750 It really is David against Goliath 121 00:06:38,750 --> 00:06:41,360 and... and in this case the label, 122 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,330 the Goliath was well, here's a 30 Million Dollars lawsuit 123 00:06:43,330 --> 00:06:45,660 like I am just gonna keep you awake, they don't... 124 00:06:45,660 --> 00:06:46,860 It doesn't keep them awake 125 00:06:46,860 --> 00:06:47,800 suing for 30 Million Dollars, it's just: 126 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,390 I'm just stress you out, you know, emotionally 127 00:06:50,390 --> 00:06:52,800 and financially until you cave. 128 00:07:00,700 --> 00:07:01,810 30 Million Dollars. 129 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:03,940 Yeah. 130 00:07:04,410 --> 00:07:05,470 I think, it's so crazy 131 00:07:05,780 --> 00:07:07,650 that it doesn't even really register with me. 132 00:07:08,140 --> 00:07:13,930 Like it's so fuckin' like just fantastically huge 133 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:17,850 that I don't really get it. 134 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,040 You would hope that, in success, 135 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,760 that they would even take the initiative to be: 136 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,300 Okay look, you guys, 137 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:27,900 you have the worst record deal on the planet. 138 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,680 Let's make this right 139 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,650 because we know at some point 140 00:07:31,650 --> 00:07:33,630 you're gonna educate yourselves, 141 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:35,860 you're gonna realize that you've been stolen from 142 00:07:35,860 --> 00:07:37,400 and you've been highjacked. 143 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,280 They don't do that. 144 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:38,870 No. 145 00:07:39,010 --> 00:07:40,300 They make the artist do that 146 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:41,790 and they don't want to do what's fair, what's right, 147 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:43,980 You have to threaten them with legal actions, 148 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:46,660 you have to threaten them with creating precedences 149 00:07:46,970 --> 00:07:49,190 in order to get them just to make 150 00:07:49,190 --> 00:07:51,120 a slightly fair deal that still leaves them 151 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,740 with the complete lion share of everything 152 00:07:53,740 --> 00:07:55,740 and the complete domination 153 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,490 of Thirty Seconds to Mars. 154 00:08:02,660 --> 00:08:05,160 Musical taste actually begins to form in the womb, 155 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:08,580 the developing fetus has a fully functioning 156 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:11,260 auditory system at 20 weeks and is hearing 157 00:08:11,260 --> 00:08:13,910 all of the sounds of the environment. 158 00:08:14,740 --> 00:08:15,740 Music is everywhere. 159 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:18,280 It's really woven into the fabric of everyday life. 160 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:21,110 Perceptual studies have shown that, 161 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:22,510 in the higher hierarchy of needs, 162 00:08:22,510 --> 00:08:24,690 the two things that people care most about, 163 00:08:24,690 --> 00:08:26,190 are music and sex. 164 00:08:26,190 --> 00:08:28,060 So, there is no question 165 00:08:28,060 --> 00:08:30,190 that music is a primal need 166 00:08:30,190 --> 00:08:34,060 and it's unbelievably powerful. 167 00:08:34,270 --> 00:08:36,690 No other art form works like music. 168 00:08:37,230 --> 00:08:38,270 Paintings are beautiful 169 00:08:38,270 --> 00:08:40,250 but, you know, once you see it 170 00:08:40,250 --> 00:08:43,060 eventually you see everything in it. 171 00:08:43,060 --> 00:08:44,980 With music, it's forever changing. 172 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:47,060 For a piece of music to succeed, 173 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:48,190 it has to take you through 174 00:08:48,190 --> 00:08:49,890 some kind of emotional journey. 175 00:08:49,890 --> 00:08:51,440 The right chord sequence, 176 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,650 the right few seconds of a song 177 00:08:52,650 --> 00:08:53,730 and you are right there. 178 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:55,990 That's exactly how I feel. 179 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,720 I love in trying to interpret what 180 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,500 the music is saying both lyrically and musically, 181 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:02,570 that's why I like music 182 00:09:03,010 --> 00:09:04,040 and once I've tried to figure it out, 183 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,610 I have personally crazy fantasies of what 184 00:09:07,610 --> 00:09:08,700 the person was thinking about 185 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:09,480 when they wrote that 186 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:10,290 and why they wrote that 187 00:09:10,290 --> 00:09:11,790 and how does it relate to me. 188 00:09:11,790 --> 00:09:12,960 That's what music is. 189 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,370 You mix the right word at the right time 190 00:09:14,370 --> 00:09:17,720 with something that's beautiful 191 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,200 and moving and sort of. 192 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,120 That makes you, you know, 193 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,400 the hair on the back of your neck stand up, 194 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,710 it's an incredible moment. 195 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:25,200 That's probably why we need it 196 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,530 because it's wonderful. 197 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,040 The song has a story in it, 198 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,240 there is a heart behind it, 199 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,450 there is a frequency within it 200 00:09:30,450 --> 00:09:32,000 and you, as a person, delivered it 201 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,380 and that why people care. 202 00:09:33,380 --> 00:09:36,040 Music is the most powerful vehicle in the world. 203 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:37,710 Period. 204 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,360 Despite the lawsuit, 205 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:45,770 we decided to move forward 206 00:09:45,770 --> 00:09:47,500 and start making our new album. 207 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:49,770 And that meant financing it ourselves. 208 00:09:50,310 --> 00:09:52,000 So, we built a studio in the basement 209 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,580 of the house in the Hollywood Hills, 210 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,310 hired Flood and began the process. 211 00:10:02,410 --> 00:10:05,040 Flood is like this superstar producer. 212 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,460 A legend. A guy that has made albums 213 00:10:07,460 --> 00:10:08,840 that will live forever. 214 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,710 I mean 20 years I've been listening to his work. 215 00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:13,440 I used to look on the back of albums and CDs 216 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:16,040 and tapes and who is this guy Flood? 217 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,350 I didn't even know if he was a real person. 218 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:19,910 You always see this mysterious little name Flood. 219 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:21,780 He produced Depeche Mode. 220 00:10:22,380 --> 00:10:23,180 U2. 221 00:10:23,180 --> 00:10:24,220 Nine Inch Nails. 222 00:10:24,220 --> 00:10:25,330 PJ Harvey. 223 00:10:25,550 --> 00:10:26,500 Smashing Pumpkins 224 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:29,500 and the most important, obviously, is: 225 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:30,710 Thirty Seconds to Mars, so... 226 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,710 His wide range of creativity, 227 00:10:35,330 --> 00:10:36,240 it's inspiring. 228 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,480 For me creativity is about vulnerability, 229 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,160 taking risks, showing one's true emotion 230 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:49,670 and to be able to make everybody feel as though 231 00:10:49,670 --> 00:10:51,780 they can make mistakes, 232 00:10:52,460 --> 00:10:54,610 they can put themselves out there 233 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,770 and there's no recriminations. 234 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,280 Jared took on a huge responsibility 235 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,500 and a huge burden when he chose to start making 236 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:06,870 "This is War" without a label on board. 237 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:10,660 He didn't know what the future held for the band. 238 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,390 It was very scary because 239 00:11:12,390 --> 00:11:14,180 he was letting me know like: 240 00:11:14,180 --> 00:11:16,270 "Look, we are alone. 241 00:11:16,270 --> 00:11:18,110 There ain't gonna be any money coming in, 242 00:11:18,110 --> 00:11:20,740 whatever we, as a band, or really me, Jared, 243 00:11:20,740 --> 00:11:24,900 as like the leader, did good business to save 244 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:26,220 some of the money that we made, 245 00:11:26,220 --> 00:11:28,300 that's now going to pay for our album 246 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:30,140 and our producer and our studio 247 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,490 which may result in zero Dollars." 248 00:11:36,370 --> 00:11:37,520 We had to bet on ourselves, 249 00:11:37,860 --> 00:11:39,330 even using Vegas terminology: 250 00:11:39,330 --> 00:11:41,380 it's like if we are the black square, 251 00:11:41,380 --> 00:11:43,980 we put everything on black and 252 00:11:43,980 --> 00:11:45,960 we roll the dice. 253 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,180 We are heading to see our manager Irving Azoff 254 00:12:03,570 --> 00:12:05,600 and our lawyer Peter Paterno. 255 00:12:09,950 --> 00:12:10,600 How are you doing? 256 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:11,380 Good. 257 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:13,030 Okay, what do you want to do? 258 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:14,550 What I would like to happen is: 259 00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:15,710 I would like to go to court, 260 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:18,890 I'd like to sit in front of a jury of my peers. 261 00:12:18,890 --> 00:12:22,600 I think in any lawsuit that's a slam-dunk, 262 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,680 you still have a 20% chance you get screwed. 263 00:12:25,980 --> 00:12:27,530 Let me ask you a big picture question: 264 00:12:29,340 --> 00:12:32,510 Signing a record deal with a traditional 265 00:12:32,510 --> 00:12:34,510 record company or not. 266 00:12:35,020 --> 00:12:36,190 What are the other options? 267 00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:38,720 My view has always been that any deal that 268 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,150 doesn't involve a major record label is better 269 00:12:41,150 --> 00:12:43,780 than any deal any major label will offer you, 270 00:12:43,780 --> 00:12:46,040 because you have your ownership, your masters. 271 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,190 The other issue too, that you have to keep in mind, 272 00:12:48,190 --> 00:12:49,320 is that even if you signed 273 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:50,840 with one of these other alternatives, 274 00:12:51,430 --> 00:12:52,730 EMI is still suing you. 275 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:54,760 It seems that we're between a rock and a hard place. 276 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,230 Either signed some antiquated dinosaur deal. 277 00:12:59,090 --> 00:13:00,500 But what's the new model of it? 278 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:02,940 The new model is worse, so the antiquated 279 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:04,320 dinosaur deal is a good deal. 280 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:06,300 Why there isn't a new model that's better? 281 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,830 People are listening to music more than ever. 282 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:10,600 Cause they're all losing money. 283 00:13:11,340 --> 00:13:12,110 They're not buying it. 284 00:13:12,110 --> 00:13:13,060 They may be listening but 285 00:13:13,060 --> 00:13:14,000 they're not buying it, 286 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,200 they're not paying for it. 287 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,640 It makes it even less valuable. 288 00:13:17,290 --> 00:13:18,890 If it were a traditional record company 289 00:13:18,930 --> 00:13:20,050 we wouldn't be sitting here, 290 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:21,430 we would have settle that a long time ago. 291 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:23,430 We drew a bad card. 292 00:13:23,430 --> 00:13:25,150 We drew a guy from outside the business 293 00:13:25,150 --> 00:13:27,150 who doesn't play by industry rules, 294 00:13:27,150 --> 00:13:28,180 who doesn't give a shit. 295 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:30,240 We can't get them to settle. 296 00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:32,330 They're not gonna settle now. They said to me: 297 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:34,240 "I don't care how long it takes. 298 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,390 I don't care how angry it makes the other label groups. 299 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,630 I would go to court to a decision." 300 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:45,970 The record business is in a very very serious trouble. 301 00:13:46,220 --> 00:13:47,620 If you look at historically other businesses 302 00:13:47,950 --> 00:13:50,950 that have gone away, I think there is 303 00:13:50,950 --> 00:13:53,580 this kind of gradual decline... Well gradual, 304 00:13:53,580 --> 00:13:55,640 it has been pretty severe, but like this 305 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:58,550 and then it just reaches a kind of tipping point 306 00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:59,860 and just falls off the cliff. 307 00:14:01,420 --> 00:14:05,000 The economics around the record business 308 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:08,220 is based on selling albums. 309 00:14:08,780 --> 00:14:11,060 You know growing up you had to buy the entire album 310 00:14:11,060 --> 00:14:12,670 to get the song you loved, you had to! 311 00:14:13,030 --> 00:14:13,850 You had no choice! 312 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,570 And now, what happens is: 313 00:14:16,580 --> 00:14:18,390 A kid is sitting at home and goes: 314 00:14:18,390 --> 00:14:20,280 "I've got to hear that Kings and Queens song, 315 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:21,320 I got to hear that!" 316 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,670 They don't have to get in a car or ask their parents 317 00:14:24,670 --> 00:14:26,470 and save up 12 bucks to go buy. 318 00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:28,330 Now you're given a choice and 319 00:14:28,330 --> 00:14:29,770 you can buy the song you love 320 00:14:29,770 --> 00:14:31,580 without buying the album, you gonna do that, 321 00:14:32,050 --> 00:14:34,970 not only that, when you can buy... Have it for free. 322 00:14:36,570 --> 00:14:39,640 Record sales have dipped 20% a year 323 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,340 for the last 6 years, now. 324 00:14:42,670 --> 00:14:43,450 That's a lot. 325 00:14:45,610 --> 00:14:47,500 The music business has really become decimated 326 00:14:47,790 --> 00:14:50,350 and it has been largely because of illegal downloads. 327 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,930 Others factors too. 328 00:14:52,260 --> 00:14:53,900 But the predicament we're in now, is 329 00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:57,220 that an entire generation of music listeners, 330 00:14:57,220 --> 00:15:00,520 virtually everybody under the age of 21, 331 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,420 has grown up in a world 332 00:15:02,420 --> 00:15:04,650 where, for their entire sentient lives, 333 00:15:05,250 --> 00:15:06,680 they've never had to pay for music. 334 00:15:07,130 --> 00:15:09,120 And they look at people my age and 335 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,720 who buy music they think we're saps. 336 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,270 Why would you pay for something that's free? 337 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:16,260 It would be like paying for air! 338 00:15:16,260 --> 00:15:17,950 I've heard someone like Trent Reznor say: 339 00:15:17,950 --> 00:15:20,590 "You know, you work for a fucking year on something, 340 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:23,870 and you put all this time and you spend all this money 341 00:15:23,870 --> 00:15:28,600 on creating these songs and a cup of coffee 342 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,240 like the other day, cost more than your song." 343 00:15:31,540 --> 00:15:33,340 Consumers wouldn't walk into a grocery store, 344 00:15:33,450 --> 00:15:35,140 and steal a loaf of bread and have it 345 00:15:35,140 --> 00:15:37,120 but it became okay to steal music. 346 00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:40,860 That really isn't something you blame the labels for, 347 00:15:41,130 --> 00:15:42,940 you know, that's technology. 348 00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:46,400 The labels have never been cohesive enough to create 349 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,020 their own future distribution systems. 350 00:15:48,020 --> 00:15:49,770 Which is why it took a computer company 351 00:15:49,770 --> 00:15:52,960 to start iTunes, hum... Have they've been smart enough 352 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,480 they would have co-owned their own digital delivery 353 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,600 like iTunes, you know, that was a big mess up. 354 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,060 When Apple, which is a great company, 355 00:16:01,060 --> 00:16:03,710 don't get me wrong, is the third largest company in America 356 00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:05,490 and the biggest music retailer in America, 357 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,150 I think that's concerning. 358 00:16:09,730 --> 00:16:10,870 It's a device manufacturer. 359 00:16:11,370 --> 00:16:12,970 The labels are petrified and terrified. 360 00:16:13,870 --> 00:16:15,070 They don't know what's going on, 361 00:16:15,070 --> 00:16:16,580 they don't even understand their own industry anymore, 362 00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:18,620 they've been too big and too slow to change, so 363 00:16:18,620 --> 00:16:20,620 I do think they're just gonna start to crumble. 364 00:16:50,330 --> 00:16:51,650 Let's play "Kings and Queens"... 365 00:17:28,790 --> 00:17:30,440 There is definitely something in there, 366 00:17:30,570 --> 00:17:31,670 let's try it again. 367 00:17:35,170 --> 00:17:36,820 I think this is the part (I think so too) 368 00:17:36,820 --> 00:17:40,260 I'm sitting here... I'm singing it in my head. 369 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:41,990 It's infectious, I want to hear it again. 370 00:17:42,330 --> 00:17:44,490 That guitar creeping up... I mean... 371 00:17:45,010 --> 00:17:45,860 Great! ... Yeah! ... 372 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:48,780 So, I know, for making records like this, 373 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:53,580 the hard work, the struggle is all part of it, 374 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:55,710 it's about being truthful to yourselves. 375 00:17:56,050 --> 00:17:57,310 That's what I mean about now. 376 00:17:57,710 --> 00:18:00,830 It's like you can take it and embrace it. 377 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,010 And go with it. 378 00:18:04,220 --> 00:18:06,800 Be a bit off balance, try out a few mad things 379 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,670 and there you are in a great place to do that. 380 00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:38,650 In the middle of all this, 381 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,710 we got some good news: we were nominated 382 00:18:41,710 --> 00:18:44,730 for a Latin MTV award. So, we packed our bags 383 00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:46,460 and flew ourselves to Mexico. 384 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:08,420 After an exciting and unforgettable night, 385 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:11,720 we woke up to discover that we had been served 386 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,930 with legal papers from EMI. 387 00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:07,370 You have to understand this whole story 388 00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:09,260 really began before we started the album. 389 00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:11,870 Before we got sued, when we were 390 00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:14,710 in friendly renegotiations with EMI. 391 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,980 And that was going well, 392 00:21:17,290 --> 00:21:18,570 Irving was talking to them. 393 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,470 We had met some efforts to address some commercial 394 00:21:21,470 --> 00:21:23,210 terms of the Thirty Seconds to Mars agreement 395 00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:26,050 that I think, we all recognized, 396 00:21:26,050 --> 00:21:29,800 were probably inappropriate. 397 00:21:30,150 --> 00:21:35,020 And then, something happened. 398 00:21:35,620 --> 00:21:40,510 That effort stalled out for whatever reason. 399 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:42,990 Soon investors won't be able 400 00:21:42,990 --> 00:21:44,490 to buy a piece of the Beatles. 401 00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:47,350 EMI is going private next month. 402 00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:49,680 The British music publisher is being acquired 403 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,150 for nearly 5 Billion Dollars. 404 00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:56,340 Terra Firma is an UK based private equity company. 405 00:21:56,620 --> 00:22:00,600 They tent to buy companies that are distressed, 406 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,930 not necessarily companies that are in distressed industries, 407 00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:06,320 which is important point when you come back around EMI. 408 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,550 If you are in England, I imagine you look at EMI: 409 00:22:07,550 --> 00:22:09,000 it's the home of the Beatles, 410 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,230 it's is one of the most iconic British companies ever. 411 00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:15,400 And you say to yourself: "Wow! I can fix that too. 412 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,290 Those dummies, I'm sure that they don't know what they're doing either. 413 00:22:19,290 --> 00:22:21,990 So, let me buy that and turn it around." 414 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:25,350 The real principal of Terra Firma is Guy Hands, 415 00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:26,960 he's essentially the guy who runs Terra Firma. 416 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,270 Guy Hands, he is a self-made billionaire. 417 00:22:30,270 --> 00:22:32,790 He's been incredibly successful. 418 00:22:32,790 --> 00:22:33,710 One of the victories he had was 419 00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:38,160 he bought all the gas stations 420 00:22:38,860 --> 00:22:41,250 on a highway in northern Europe. 421 00:22:42,450 --> 00:22:44,630 And he cleaned the bathrooms. 422 00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:46,930 Once they cleaned them all of sudden 423 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:49,560 business went up at the gas stations, 424 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,630 at the convenience stores attached to them. 425 00:22:51,630 --> 00:22:53,500 And he made a ton of money. 426 00:22:54,030 --> 00:22:57,240 They spent billions of dollars on a company 427 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,390 and I really think that they believed 428 00:23:00,390 --> 00:23:01,970 they could transform it. 429 00:23:03,140 --> 00:23:07,100 When Terra Firma came in and purchased EMI 430 00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:09,320 they became that benefactor regime 431 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,870 that sued us for 30 Million bucks. 432 00:23:12,610 --> 00:23:14,540 Terra Firma took the negotiation away from us. 433 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,380 I think they looked at it and they said: 434 00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:20,070 I think they didn't like the fact 435 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:22,480 that it was a friendly renegotiation. 436 00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:26,660 They came with a perspective of we've got to be hard nose. 437 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,320 Take one... 438 00:23:57,860 --> 00:24:01,860 I'm in a bad beginning... And again... 439 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,100 Woo... It's getting warmed up, dude, one more. 440 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,000 Perfect 441 00:24:15,390 --> 00:24:16,420 Let's just do a couple of more 442 00:24:16,420 --> 00:24:17,300 and then we'll listen 443 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:17,960 One more... 444 00:24:18,030 --> 00:24:20,340 One last one... One Maaaas... 445 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,480 Give me one second to loosen my hand up 446 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,880 One more... Just for fun. 447 00:24:28,990 --> 00:24:30,570 Dude, you're still under a hundred takes. 448 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,980 You're at ninety seven. 449 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,160 Ninety seven? Okay. Fuck that! 450 00:24:35,380 --> 00:24:36,460 We're gonna do three more. 451 00:24:36,580 --> 00:24:37,510 Yes! Come on! 452 00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:41,090 Hold on... Let me get ready... 453 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,250 I never met anyone as driven 454 00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:45,640 who will work this hard 455 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,650 who will go to the, you know, 456 00:24:47,650 --> 00:24:49,290 end of the earth and back, 457 00:24:49,550 --> 00:24:51,920 just on a one and a million chance, 458 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,870 that something is gonna help the music. 459 00:24:55,050 --> 00:24:57,520 There is nobody, that I know personally, 460 00:24:57,870 --> 00:25:00,440 that can say that they do for their art 461 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,710 and their work what he does. 462 00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:05,650 You ask me what Jared's role is 463 00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:06,870 in the making of This is War? 464 00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:08,140 It's too small of a question 465 00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:10,700 to encompass what he does in the world of Thirty Seconds to Mars 466 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,460 He is the Mastermind. 467 00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:19,930 Success on the level that we even have right now 468 00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:26,250 we never dreamed. You couldn't... How could you dream of this? 469 00:25:32,650 --> 00:25:34,880 My brother and I were born in Louisiana. 470 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,340 We climbed out of the muddy banks of the Mississippi 471 00:25:38,340 --> 00:25:40,240 with our instruments in one hand 472 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,130 and... A fist full of food stamps in the other. 473 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:46,550 We had a very young mother. 474 00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:48,780 I think she was pregnant with me and 475 00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:51,140 had my brother by the time she was 18. 476 00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:52,680 I was a child that had children. 477 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,680 I never considered that any of it was difficult. 478 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,740 Going to school with two babies and 479 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:02,720 being on welfare and having food stamps 480 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,700 and Medicaid cards. 481 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:07,140 When you are a kid and you're poor, 482 00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:10,010 I don't think you realize it. 483 00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:12,100 It wasn't until I got much older 484 00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:14,010 I realized we didn't have money to go out 485 00:26:14,010 --> 00:26:15,160 buy a bunch of presents 486 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,850 Every Christmas was really about making 487 00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:19,190 presents for each other. 488 00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:22,580 We moved around quite a bit as kids. 489 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,010 When we lived together it was always this thing, 490 00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:27,830 there was always something going on, 491 00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:29,280 we were making art, making music. 492 00:26:30,510 --> 00:26:31,760 There was always things around, 493 00:26:32,380 --> 00:26:34,180 anybody could pick up and draw a paint with, 494 00:26:34,580 --> 00:26:37,210 and dress up and dance around and sing. 495 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,760 I mean there was always that energy, 496 00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:40,850 that creative energy. 497 00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:44,120 They were indoctrinated into music quite 498 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,610 really early. It was like music, music, music, music. 499 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:50,520 My mother used to sing in the car. 500 00:26:50,850 --> 00:26:53,400 I remember she would harmonize with songs. 501 00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:57,780 I remember thinking that she always had a great voice. 502 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,660 She was always listening to music 503 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:03,170 and exposed us to a lot of great music. 504 00:27:04,570 --> 00:27:05,510 And I never really thought 505 00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:08,440 that you could be a musician in a band. 506 00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:10,170 I never thought about fame, 507 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:12,740 I never thought about any of that stuff. 508 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,780 That early childhood, that creative exposure 509 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,870 really helped shape my brother and I 510 00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:21,240 in an important way. 511 00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:36,260 Yeah, I like that, it sounds great. 512 00:27:39,130 --> 00:27:40,860 It's definitely a tough place 513 00:27:40,860 --> 00:27:42,380 to play something different I think. 514 00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:44,490 What do the vocals say? 515 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:45,690 Right away, when they go off? 516 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,780 Wait, I don't even know the chorus. 517 00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:08,450 It's also no rush. 518 00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:10,140 We should just take the time it needs 519 00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:11,070 to get it right. 520 00:28:11,420 --> 00:28:12,800 And if we have to do it over 3 days, 521 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,860 we'll do over 3 days. 522 00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:16,050 I'm just in it. I just... You know... 523 00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:18,260 And then, it's gone... Oh my god, okay. 524 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,140 No, I got that. 525 00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:21,170 That's the way it is, that's all. 526 00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:23,920 Let's encourage each other to enjoy it as well. 527 00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:24,850 This discovery. 528 00:28:24,850 --> 00:28:26,280 Because it's awesome stuff, 529 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,980 the feel that you came out with the snare, 530 00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:31,040 totally cool and you never done it before. 531 00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:34,560 Let have a bit of joy while we do it. 532 00:28:35,290 --> 00:28:39,060 That's all good... Different processes man. 533 00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:41,480 I am enjoying it. 534 00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:44,360 I got him all fooled. 535 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,090 We getting there, but there's still lots to do. 536 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,170 I never heard of a label 537 00:29:36,170 --> 00:29:37,090 that doesn't screw an artist. 538 00:29:37,090 --> 00:29:40,150 You talk to anybody who audits their label 539 00:29:40,450 --> 00:29:42,010 they're always own money. 540 00:29:42,610 --> 00:29:44,160 And if nothing else, 541 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,990 usually the label holds back enough money 542 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:47,530 that your cost of auditing is such 543 00:29:47,530 --> 00:29:49,030 that you won't do it, so... 544 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,140 That's the business model is screwing the artist. 545 00:29:52,420 --> 00:29:54,630 The financial practices have been shady 546 00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:55,900 since the beginning of time. 547 00:29:56,180 --> 00:29:58,290 It's been grandfathered in since the 50's 548 00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:00,090 and 60's when rock and roll really started. 549 00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,560 In the 50's, they were screwing the artist then, 550 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,820 but there was much much less money involved. 551 00:30:07,540 --> 00:30:09,340 Then as you start to go into the 60's 552 00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:11,930 and the 70's, the hit to shit ratio is 553 00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:14,110 so bad that they're saying: 554 00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:16,460 "Hey! You know, we can't pay the hit artist 555 00:30:16,460 --> 00:30:18,800 cause he is paying for all the bad artists." 556 00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:22,450 It goes back to how the music industry was set up 557 00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:25,180 in the very early stages of the recording industry, 558 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,460 taking advantage of uneducated, easily swayed 559 00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:32,540 artists who don't really care about the money. 560 00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:35,000 Unfortunately there's a lot of fall out with, 561 00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:38,200 still with bands getting paid, you know. 562 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,680 We had to sue our label to get paid. 563 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:44,640 They've created this strange convoluted system 564 00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:47,190 that you have to be a lawyer 565 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:49,650 to really understand... Or mathematician. 566 00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:52,310 A typical record deal is structured 567 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:53,390 something like this: 568 00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:56,280 The record label gives an advance say: 569 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,520 250.000$ to the artist to record an album. 570 00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:02,180 The artist then records the album. 571 00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:06,420 Suppose that the album sales 500.000 copies 572 00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:09,360 at 10$ each yielding 5 Million Dollars. 573 00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:12,120 The record label then takes their cut out 574 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,740 of the 5 Million, typically 85% of the total sales. 575 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,500 Leaving the artist with 750.000 dollars. 576 00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:22,980 But before the artist receives any payments, 577 00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:25,300 the label first deducts the advance. 578 00:31:25,780 --> 00:31:28,310 In addition the record label recoups other costs 579 00:31:28,570 --> 00:31:30,330 such as: recording costs, 580 00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:32,900 half the promotion costs, 581 00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:36,800 half the video costs, and tour support. 582 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,710 This leaves the artist 425.000 Dollars 583 00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:41,320 in debt to the record label. 584 00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:43,450 And then this debt gets carried on 585 00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:44,660 to the next album, 586 00:31:44,660 --> 00:31:45,650 the next album, 587 00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:47,280 and the next album. 588 00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:50,570 I don't know if most people have seen 589 00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:52,460 long form contracts, they're insane. 590 00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:55,430 And there's all these little, these little things throwin' in. 591 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:57,160 It's kind of like legislating, 592 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,740 you know, legislature for a government. 593 00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:01,320 They put up this big issue but underneath that issue 594 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,690 there's like seventeen other little laws 595 00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:06,790 that they threw in, that they are not talking about. 596 00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:09,170 So, when you say yes to this one thing 597 00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:10,550 you are actually saying yes 598 00:32:10,550 --> 00:32:11,890 to like forty five other things. 599 00:32:12,590 --> 00:32:13,630 There's a worse one, 600 00:32:13,630 --> 00:32:16,430 they use to have damage fees with digital downloads. 601 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:17,560 Digital downloads? 602 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,950 Like, at first they were doing that like 603 00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:21,190 they just trying to get away with murder, you know. 604 00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:22,420 It just like let's leave in there, 605 00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:24,350 let's see if the lawyer sees it kind of thing. 606 00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:26,250 Some other hidden items 607 00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:29,350 that the contract includes are: packaging costs, 608 00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:32,110 they deduct up to 25% of the artist cut 609 00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:34,640 known as the royalty to cover the expense 610 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,650 of plastic cases and artwork. 611 00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:38,900 This cost is even administered to digital downloads 612 00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:42,400 where packaging is non-existent. 10% is deducted 613 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,820 to cover breakage costs during shipping. 614 00:32:45,820 --> 00:32:47,400 They started in the vinyl era, 615 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,560 continued when CDs replaced vinyl 616 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,290 and still applies today with digital downloads. 617 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,470 The 10% free goods deduction is an antiquated 618 00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:58,460 system where retailers purchased 100 albums 619 00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:00,990 but are given an additional 10 albums at no charge. 620 00:33:01,620 --> 00:33:03,880 Since the artist is only paid on album sold. 621 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,080 they are not compensated for those free albums. 622 00:33:07,790 --> 00:33:09,680 This deduction still continues 623 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,370 even in a digitally dominated market. 624 00:33:12,370 --> 00:33:15,850 Artists generate so much money for so many people 625 00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:16,730 that have nothing to do with 626 00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:18,690 the creative process at all. 627 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,790 There is no road you can go down 628 00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:22,900 that the artist isn't fucked. 629 00:33:23,370 --> 00:33:24,960 Most people out there who have jobs, 630 00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:29,620 they can go to their boss ask for a raise, 631 00:33:30,190 --> 00:33:32,000 they can leave and go get another job 632 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,940 if they are not happy. 633 00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:36,070 Musicians don't really have that ability to do that. 634 00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:37,140 And by the way, if we don't like, 635 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:38,790 if we don't feel like pushing your records anymore 636 00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:40,210 we don't fell you gonna sell, 637 00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:41,970 we're not gonna let you go, 638 00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:44,740 we're just gonna put you on the shelf over here, 639 00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:46,430 we won't really let you work 640 00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:48,100 but we're not gonna let you leave either. 641 00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:49,600 It's like being in a bad marriage. 642 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,410 At what point does your husband beat you up 643 00:33:51,410 --> 00:33:53,670 or your wife beat you up and you say: 644 00:33:53,670 --> 00:33:55,640 I had enough I'm leaving. 645 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,850 That's the point we are at right now. 646 00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:09,720 I'll be back in a second, Irving is calling. 647 00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:23,260 Can they stop us putting a record out? 648 00:35:50,770 --> 00:35:51,540 It's really cool. 649 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:53,050 This is Taiko drumming 650 00:35:53,330 --> 00:35:55,450 and I'm learning about Taiko drumming. 651 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,780 Shannon is a beast of a player. 652 00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:06,190 He doesn't play in a song, 653 00:36:06,190 --> 00:36:07,380 he takes the song over. 654 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,240 He inhabits it, he lives it, 655 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:10,010 he breathes it. 656 00:36:10,270 --> 00:36:12,270 There's an energy that he has when he drums 657 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:15,090 that's fantastic. He's very animalistic. 658 00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:26,470 He's completely emotionally reacting. 659 00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:27,940 It's absolutely fascinating 660 00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:29,150 to watch somebody like that. 661 00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:39,130 My brother always had a love of music. 662 00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:40,980 He had a real passion for it. 663 00:36:42,570 --> 00:36:46,820 I would certainly not be doing this if it wasn't for him. 664 00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:49,900 The only thing I took seriously in my life was music. 665 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,960 Before Thirty Seconds to Mars 666 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,880 I wasn't sure what I wanted to do. 667 00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:58,540 I was doing construction, I was... 668 00:37:01,070 --> 00:37:03,090 Breaking the law. 669 00:37:03,330 --> 00:37:07,380 Jared often jokes about kids from the wrong side of the tracks, 670 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:09,180 I was definitely one of those kids. 671 00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:11,590 He would disappear, you know, 672 00:37:11,590 --> 00:37:12,620 he would just disappear. 673 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,370 I never knew what he was doing. 674 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,310 I reached a point in my life where 675 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:21,090 I needed some sort of change and 676 00:37:21,090 --> 00:37:22,930 music was the only thing that made sense. 677 00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:27,040 He and Jared started playing together a lot. 678 00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:28,650 That's when it got serious. 679 00:37:28,890 --> 00:37:30,390 That's when I was like: "Oh! Okay! 680 00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:31,780 I need to follow this path." 681 00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:34,380 He was the one that was motivated to make music. 682 00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:37,610 He was the one that was do or die with it. 683 00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:40,740 Just the energy of us playing together. 684 00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:41,890 That was exciting. 685 00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:45,500 I just wanted to play, play, play, play. 686 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,840 Okay. Secret spot. Pinky swear?! 687 00:38:09,350 --> 00:38:11,890 I'll never be able to find it anyway. So, don't worry about it. 688 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,380 So, what's the deal? 689 00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:16,910 You had a long meeting the other day. 690 00:38:17,260 --> 00:38:19,480 Yeah, EMI wants to make a deal. 691 00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:21,960 Interesting. 692 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,790 It's a shitty deal but, it's a deal. 693 00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:28,380 So, we have a couple of options. 694 00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:33,470 There's the option that's exciting to go on our own. 695 00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:36,130 It feels like there's a lot of opportunities 696 00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:41,620 with that independent spirit and taking the mindset at... 697 00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:46,440 Rather than signing an antiquated deal 698 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,940 with a company that has no interest 699 00:38:49,940 --> 00:38:53,010 in really doing anything 700 00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:54,600 except making the numbers work. 701 00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:56,710 But that's the reality, 702 00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:58,640 if you want to sign a record deal. 703 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,750 That's what you're doing. 704 00:39:00,750 --> 00:39:02,560 High nose. Both options. 705 00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:04,770 Jared? 706 00:39:05,350 --> 00:39:07,610 Both options are a big gamble. 707 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,300 Yeah, I don't know enough to have a real opinion. 708 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:11,840 But it's seems like going on our own 709 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,850 is the only way to go. 710 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,150 I don't know, it's hard. 711 00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:15,490 Give me a name of one band 712 00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:17,280 that's had continued worldwide success 713 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,530 without a label. 714 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,040 I can't give you one. 715 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,650 Some people say to take the deal. 716 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:25,980 Settle. 717 00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:30,180 Yeah... Just take whatever deal you can get 718 00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:33,000 cause this is so fucked right now. 719 00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:37,560 Basically, you're looking for a record company 720 00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:40,510 to handle very specific things 721 00:39:40,510 --> 00:39:42,630 like promotion, marketing, and things 722 00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:44,480 that I don't really want to have to deal with. 723 00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:45,870 Right. 724 00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:50,530 If we go completely independent, I'll end up... 725 00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:54,240 That will be my life - morning, noon and night - 726 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,230 is going to be having to have a record company. 727 00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,770 You feel you want to push army. 728 00:40:01,110 --> 00:40:02,680 Yeah, I want to push army. 729 00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:04,980 You take the rock of your choice, 730 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,950 or a bolder depending how big your issue is. 731 00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:12,300 And you throw it over the precipice 732 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:14,670 and when you throw it, you scream, 733 00:40:14,670 --> 00:40:17,940 and you let go of this particular aspect of 734 00:40:17,940 --> 00:40:20,460 who you are or something in your life 735 00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:23,700 that's plaguing you. And you leave it behind and... 736 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:27,500 And, well, we gonna do it right now. 737 00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:28,600 I'm gonna start or you wanna? 738 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,500 I go first. 739 00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:30,420 Yeah, you go first. 740 00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:32,990 Let's see what you got. 741 00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:43,010 I just heard somebody say "ouch!" 742 00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:56,430 That's pretty good. 743 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,460 It never landed... what's that been... 744 00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:03,000 This is so fucking nuts. 745 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:03,520 Yeah. 746 00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:05,620 By the way, I think I came up 747 00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:06,800 with a name for the album. 748 00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:08,220 What is it? 749 00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:09,960 "This is War." 750 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,810 It's easier than ever to make music and record it. 751 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,670 It's easier than ever to make videos 752 00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:17,690 and record them properly. 753 00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:19,970 It's easier than ever to put them out there 754 00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:22,620 but it's harder than ever to make them heard 755 00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:24,760 or have them heard because there's so much noise 756 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,980 on the internet so a record company 757 00:41:26,980 --> 00:41:29,910 still has to do the job of helping to filter that 758 00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:31,990 and to promote things properly 759 00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:33,370 so that they can get noticed. 760 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:35,590 And there's certainly exceptions of artists 761 00:41:35,590 --> 00:41:37,540 that have done well without a record company 762 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:42,240 but by in large the overwhelming majority of artists 763 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,120 that have achieved, you know, 764 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,960 major success, have been signed to major labels. 765 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:48,650 Major labels are giant Cyclopes, 766 00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:51,290 and they have one very monstrously powerful eye 767 00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:52,580 right in the middle of their forehead 768 00:41:52,580 --> 00:41:54,460 and when it's staring at you, you know, 769 00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:55,730 the world is a very bright and shiny place. 770 00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:58,150 And when it's not, there is no getting attention of that thing. 771 00:41:58,150 --> 00:42:00,380 If I knew a band was going to sign a major label deal, 772 00:42:00,380 --> 00:42:02,500 I would probably try to dissuade them 773 00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:04,260 or I would at least try to figure out 774 00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:06,150 what they thought they were gonna get out of it. 775 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:10,390 Increasingly, artist development is a term 776 00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:13,190 that's not even use at record companies, you know. 777 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,300 They use the word artist development 778 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:16,480 but it's offensive to a certain point 779 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,700 cause they don't really do that. 780 00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:19,040 They look at the profiles, 781 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,830 in the old days, it was MySpace, 782 00:42:20,830 --> 00:42:23,280 the profile numbers now it's Facebook, 783 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,240 YouTube, Twitter. 784 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,310 Can you sell 10 / 20 000 on your own without a label 785 00:42:27,310 --> 00:42:30,320 and if so, then they start paying attention, 786 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,180 you know, kind of thing, but yeah, 787 00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:33,140 but it's not artist development. 788 00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:35,390 That's already signing an artist that's developed itself. 789 00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:37,740 I think the main reason people really want labels now 790 00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:40,640 it's legitimacy, especially when you are a new band that, 791 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,280 that what you're doing really kind of matters 792 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,790 and is part of something, and to get the press, 793 00:42:45,790 --> 00:42:47,270 to get people believing in you. 794 00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:49,070 So obviously, bands when they get big on their own 795 00:42:49,070 --> 00:42:51,660 then they sign with a label for that: Legitimacy. 796 00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:52,990 One thing we've definitely learn 797 00:42:52,990 --> 00:42:55,040 is that artists need help. 798 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,670 Metric is a great example. 799 00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:58,680 They were the first artists to break top 5 800 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,650 in pop radio with no label. 801 00:43:01,050 --> 00:43:03,230 But if you talked to Matt Drouin 802 00:43:03,230 --> 00:43:05,260 who manages Metric, he will tell you: 803 00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:07,710 "We had more people working on that record 804 00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:09,430 than if we were at a label. 805 00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:11,420 We just hired them ourselves so, no, 806 00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:12,600 we didn't have a label but 807 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,400 we kind of built our own staff around it." 808 00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:18,560 When I got off the label, I pretty much knew 809 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,210 I didn't want to sign with another one. 810 00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:22,400 And I knew nothing could beat doing direct business 811 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,070 with my fans, it wasn't... 812 00:43:24,670 --> 00:43:26,880 There was no deal in the world that was that good. 813 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,010 I cannot tell you how many eMails 814 00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:31,960 I've got from fans saying: 815 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,660 "We want to directly support you. 816 00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:36,290 How can we do it so your label doesn't get the money?" 817 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:39,770 Give people awesome music 818 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,880 and then make it very easy for them to help you. 819 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,520 And they will. 820 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,480 There are lots of artists, like I said 821 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,490 who were finding themselves with this choice 822 00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:50,880 and it is not to say 823 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,260 that the labels can't win the argument 824 00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:56,040 as to why an artist should use them 825 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,820 and partner with them. Em... But it is to say 826 00:43:58,820 --> 00:44:02,910 that there is a great number of tools available 827 00:44:02,910 --> 00:44:05,290 to independent artists to do it on their own 828 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,970 and they are not necessarily considerably 829 00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:10,840 inferior to the label choice. 830 00:44:25,620 --> 00:44:26,460 What's the BPM? 831 00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:29,690 GO! 832 00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:48,220 Next chorus... 833 00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:50,060 Thank you very much have a nice fucking day! 834 00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:59,330 I was 21 years old and I would do anything 835 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,260 in order to be able to play music for a living. 836 00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:05,360 But I had made the choice to give up. 837 00:45:05,780 --> 00:45:07,790 I realized I had missed my boat. 838 00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:10,660 I had made plans to sell all of my gear, 839 00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:15,610 I didn't want to have any like, memory of the music life. 840 00:45:15,610 --> 00:45:18,820 The next day, after like, making this choice, 841 00:45:19,210 --> 00:45:21,000 is when I got the call to see if 842 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,670 I was interested in auditioning 843 00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:23,950 for Thirty Seconds to Mars. 844 00:45:24,850 --> 00:45:26,980 I'm like completely broke. I have no money, 845 00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:28,170 I have nothing at all. I have a guitar 846 00:45:28,170 --> 00:45:31,680 and some crappy gear. And I begged my parents, 847 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,230 I was like, this is the one, I can feel it. 848 00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:34,990 I know, I'm gonna get this. 849 00:45:34,990 --> 00:45:36,760 No matter what, nothing gonna stop me from getting this, 850 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,290 I will die if I don't get this. 851 00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:40,520 We're auditioning like hundreds of people. 852 00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:41,830 He walks in and he says: 853 00:45:41,830 --> 00:45:44,300 "I just want to let you guys know 854 00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:45,750 you don't have to look any further..." 855 00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:47,790 I was so cocky and so stupid. 856 00:45:47,790 --> 00:45:50,800 It could have gone so badly, the way I was acting. 857 00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:54,290 I was like, alright, well, see what you got. 858 00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:56,470 They took a chance on me. 859 00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:58,430 I wasn't the coolest looking kid. 860 00:45:58,430 --> 00:46:01,400 I certainly wasn't the best guitarist out there 861 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,210 but there was obviously something that they saw in me. 862 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,280 Re-signing with EMI, gets rid of 2 Million Dollars of all debt 863 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,060 and gets rid of the Thirty Million Dollars lawsuit 864 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,340 but that fucking pissing me this won (I know) 865 00:46:59,090 --> 00:47:00,220 and it's not even the fight 866 00:47:00,220 --> 00:47:02,210 to fight to beat somebody. 867 00:47:02,210 --> 00:47:06,640 It's the fight to... to... for what's right, what's fair! 868 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,260 You sign a deal in a way to compromise 869 00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:10,770 but you're doing it so that 870 00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:14,340 you could get in on the inside, 871 00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:15,750 work with somebody 872 00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:17,730 and change the fundamentals 873 00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:18,710 that way rather than a confrontation. 874 00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:20,370 Yeah, changing from the inside out. 875 00:47:20,370 --> 00:47:21,230 Exactly. 876 00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:24,190 Or do you confront it from the outside? 877 00:47:24,190 --> 00:47:26,800 We would never have this opportunity again 878 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,690 to fight over the 7-year clause 879 00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:31,880 and to go and like, change a part of... 880 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,440 Absolutely. 881 00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:34,960 Not just the music business 882 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,690 but you know, the way that our 883 00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:39,120 contracts are handled. 884 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,150 So there is this kind of... You know... 885 00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:43,500 ... Moral crusade. 886 00:47:43,830 --> 00:47:46,050 Yeah, there's a bit of a moral crusade. 887 00:47:46,050 --> 00:47:48,430 If they give us every single fucking thing 888 00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:51,430 that we wanted 889 00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:52,710 they would still be winning 890 00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:53,980 and they know it! 891 00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:56,130 That's the thing they're fuckin' know it! 892 00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:59,150 And by the way, what the Fuck! What if they give a shit, 893 00:47:59,950 --> 00:48:01,590 they gonna go home and get their salary 894 00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:02,560 at the end of the night. 895 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,610 They're getting everything that they want. 896 00:48:04,610 --> 00:48:08,480 Complete domination over the artist. 897 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,200 Just be careful you know, addict... 898 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,650 Addicted is a strong word, to be the person 899 00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:15,510 that is always gonna be in battle. 900 00:48:15,790 --> 00:48:20,010 Maybe this is not the right time to fight this 901 00:48:20,410 --> 00:48:24,270 through this mechanism. Just bide your time. 902 00:48:24,270 --> 00:48:27,680 It might well be a different way to fight it. 903 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,790 But you don't have to sacrifice as much. 904 00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:35,500 The Company can always outlast the act. 905 00:48:35,710 --> 00:48:38,240 We learn this lesson primarily with Georges Michael. 906 00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:40,630 He killed his career suing Sony, okay. 907 00:48:41,110 --> 00:48:43,090 So, the act has an incentive to settle 908 00:48:43,090 --> 00:48:45,510 because acts are not like engineers at IBM 909 00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:47,650 who might work for 40 years. 910 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,330 Prince was pissed off at Warner Brothers 911 00:48:59,330 --> 00:49:01,690 and stopped recording that's when 912 00:49:01,690 --> 00:49:04,130 he changed his name to that symbol. 913 00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:07,760 It was a protest against Warner Brothers. 914 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,320 So, was that the right thing? 915 00:49:10,070 --> 00:49:13,850 You know, at the kind of his height, to go sit on the sidelines 916 00:49:13,850 --> 00:49:16,100 and then go make music how many every years later 917 00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,710 when people don't want to fight about it anymore? 918 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:22,190 I don't know. Who won? Who lost? 919 00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,910 I just remember the whole time thinking: 920 00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:32,700 It's not a good idea to go into a pissing contest 921 00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:34,270 with the record company, 922 00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:37,380 who has, who holds all the cards. 923 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:38,980 It's like a war of attrition. 924 00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:42,570 It's like, whoever wears the other person down first 925 00:49:42,570 --> 00:49:43,710 is going to win. 926 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,330 Usually the company they want to teach the act a lesson, 927 00:49:53,330 --> 00:49:55,060 but they also need the revenue. 928 00:49:55,830 --> 00:49:57,600 So, assuming the act is willing to sit 929 00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,240 on the sidelines for a year or two, 930 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:00,950 they can ultimately make a better deal. 931 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,210 Hopefully they've not lost momentum in the process. 932 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,510 Do you think as a corporation EMI 933 00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:10,400 ever lied to you? 934 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,520 Erm... Do I think EMI ever lied to us? 935 00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:15,270 I am... 936 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,680 I'm seeking not to get sued by 30 Million bucks, 937 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,600 So, I can't tell you or not how they are inside. 938 00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:22,900 I mean that's the only condition of 939 00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:24,940 our release that I got to be a good boy. 940 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,270 So, give me some council here, my friend. 941 00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:33,150 What am I doing? 942 00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:51,060 Jesus Christ! 943 00:51:06,310 --> 00:51:07,320 ... It's getting worse. 944 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,560 I think I just caught your cold! 945 00:51:09,810 --> 00:51:10,980 Okay, what's your advice here 946 00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:13,110 as an expert in the music industry? 947 00:51:13,110 --> 00:51:16,510 To me... To me... I think that... 948 00:51:16,510 --> 00:51:18,130 I'm taking into account 949 00:51:18,130 --> 00:51:19,210 what you guys are saying, 950 00:51:19,420 --> 00:51:21,530 I think EMI is the safe bet. 951 00:51:22,290 --> 00:51:23,390 Because, like I told you before, 952 00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:24,930 I think you're doing one album for them 953 00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:25,840 and you'll be done with them. 954 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,920 So, that's what I would do it's safer, 955 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,080 the other thing is riskier. 956 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,660 If you want to take a risk. 957 00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:32,930 Got it. 958 00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:36,640 No, it's how you feel, how you 959 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,060 and Shannon and Tomo feel about it. 960 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:39,790 Okay bye. 961 00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:41,080 Okay bye. 962 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,620 Thanks. Hey?!... 963 00:51:43,620 --> 00:51:45,630 I wanted to ask how much that phone call costs me. 964 00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:49,540 (Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow) Dean Martin 965 00:51:56,050 --> 00:51:57,210 It seems funny getting a Christmas tree 966 00:51:57,210 --> 00:51:58,760 when it's totally sunny outside 967 00:51:59,310 --> 00:52:00,540 and the guy is in a tee-shirt. 968 00:52:00,990 --> 00:52:02,930 Hey! These are all the thrifty, she says, 969 00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:04,400 these are the Charlie Browns. 970 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,350 The ones that have like, you know, broken branches. 971 00:52:08,730 --> 00:52:09,920 Yeah! 972 00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:11,160 Yeah. 973 00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:13,840 I think this one is pretty fucking funny. 974 00:52:14,330 --> 00:52:16,820 This is all fucked up man, there is no way they even... 975 00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:20,840 It says 99 bucks, I ain't paying 20 bucks for that. 976 00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:23,910 20 bucks. He's got, look, 977 00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:26,240 arthritis on the knuckle right here. 978 00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:28,330 His hair are falling out. 979 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,790 OMG. Rheumatoid. 980 00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:32,480 He's got short man's complex. 981 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,550 How much you gonna pay us to drag this out of here. 982 00:52:34,550 --> 00:52:36,370 I mean look at this thing. 983 00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:37,660 I know, it's so sad. 984 00:52:38,210 --> 00:52:39,250 I mean this is the ugliest tree 985 00:52:39,250 --> 00:52:40,900 I have ever seen in my entire life. 986 00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:41,980 How much you take? 987 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:42,650 19.99 988 00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:43,680 19! 989 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,810 All right, we'll take it... 990 00:52:57,210 --> 00:52:58,200 Where do you want to put this bad boy? 991 00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,020 In the corner? 992 00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:07,870 That was a bargain. 993 00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:11,750 She was tall, dark, handsome. 994 00:53:13,550 --> 00:53:15,310 Listen... 995 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,870 She was tall... 996 00:53:18,490 --> 00:53:22,290 Okay... She was tall, dark, handsome... 997 00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:28,230 The cigarette gets me in character. I can't help it. 998 00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:31,150 She was tall, dark, handsome, 999 00:53:31,150 --> 00:53:32,230 hung like a wildebeest... 1000 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,940 Ohhh... We've been sued for 30 Million bucks. 1001 00:53:40,420 --> 00:53:41,890 Ahhh... We really are... 1002 00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:44,720 We really are. 1003 00:53:45,070 --> 00:53:47,030 What if they just said: "Fuck you! This is done, 1004 00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:48,890 We're taking you to court." 1005 00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:52,570 She was tall, dark, handsome, 1006 00:53:53,260 --> 00:53:57,030 hung like a wildebeest but I loved her. 1007 00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:16,130 How you're gonna restructure Guy, just tell us? 1008 00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:18,010 Why are the job cuts necessary Guy? 1009 00:54:18,310 --> 00:54:19,710 What's your message to staff Guy? 1010 00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:22,290 EMI news's owner Guy Hands was tight lipped 1011 00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:23,650 as he arrived at the cinema 1012 00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:25,800 to outline the music group's new direction. 1013 00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:27,840 Inside staff learned that EMI is set 1014 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,880 to axe up to 2000 jobs. 1015 00:54:30,930 --> 00:54:32,040 They stripped mine the place. 1016 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,400 They fired tons and tons of people. 1017 00:54:34,610 --> 00:54:35,690 They put people in charge 1018 00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:38,110 that never had any experience in the record business 1019 00:54:38,110 --> 00:54:39,670 or the music business. 1020 00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:41,600 They started to decentralize it. 1021 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,120 They had all this strange pods 1022 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,000 instead of a more traditional structure. 1023 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,060 They also put some people in positions of power 1024 00:54:48,060 --> 00:54:50,420 who didn't make any sense to me whatsoever. 1025 00:54:51,550 --> 00:54:52,550 I see it all the time. 1026 00:54:52,550 --> 00:54:54,940 It is just the heavy hand of guys, 1027 00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:56,460 who don't understand the business, 1028 00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:57,250 who try to tell people, 1029 00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:58,280 who do understand the business, 1030 00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,270 how to do their jobs. 1031 00:54:59,940 --> 00:55:01,380 I met with him once and he said to me: 1032 00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:03,420 "All you people from the music business. 1033 00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:05,660 You know you really don't know how to run a business." 1034 00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:07,630 They installed a lot of people 1035 00:55:07,630 --> 00:55:09,890 across the global leadership of the company. 1036 00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:11,690 And most people see at management levels. 1037 00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:14,460 And these groups serious record company executives 1038 00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:16,420 were gone instead in a matter of month. 1039 00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:18,620 Obviously, I have a certain bias 1040 00:55:18,620 --> 00:55:20,870 and I was there and I was very vocal 1041 00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:22,260 about any of my disagreements. 1042 00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:27,480 They wanted to restructure the company 1043 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,780 and in the terms of my contract, 1044 00:55:29,780 --> 00:55:31,180 they couldn't without asking me 1045 00:55:31,630 --> 00:55:32,850 and so, they did it anyway. 1046 00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:38,610 In the old days, you say what is EMI thinking, 1047 00:55:38,610 --> 00:55:40,470 you would name 10 people that have worked there 1048 00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:41,730 for 20 years or 30 years. 1049 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:43,850 You'd worry about what they thought 1050 00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:46,050 but there's nobody that's worked there for 20 years or 30 years. 1051 00:55:46,050 --> 00:55:49,630 It's not the company or the people it ever was. 1052 00:55:49,630 --> 00:55:52,810 We have been through so many regimes at EMI 1053 00:55:52,810 --> 00:55:55,530 since we signed a contract with Virgin Records. 1054 00:55:55,530 --> 00:55:57,340 I can't even tell you how many it has been. 1055 00:55:57,930 --> 00:56:00,420 It is safe to say it is over eight less than twelve. 1056 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,610 I don't think there is a single employee 1057 00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:04,760 that was there when we signed our record deal. 1058 00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:53,570 We would take care of the lawsuit. 1059 00:56:53,570 --> 00:56:56,120 That's already cost me more money than I have, 1060 00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:58,610 than we have as a band. 1061 00:56:59,210 --> 00:57:01,350 We've spent more money that we have in the bank. 1062 00:57:01,350 --> 00:57:02,070 Right! 1063 00:57:02,430 --> 00:57:03,350 No, I understand 1064 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,510 I'm gonna have to tell them: 1065 00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:06,860 they can suck my fucking proverbial dick! 1066 00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:09,020 So, in a sense, EMI has already bankrupted us. 1067 00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:11,480 Kempler really is controlling this? 1068 00:57:11,820 --> 00:57:13,940 No, the money guys are controlling it. 1069 00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:15,230 You know Terra Firma... 1070 00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:17,940 Well fuck them! That's such bullshit! 1071 00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:20,700 How could that motherfucking *bip* *bip* 1072 00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:21,910 can sit there and tell us 1073 00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:23,260 that he was gonna do something 1074 00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:24,620 and then not do it? 1075 00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:40,630 Across the pond, it's Guy Hands, 1076 00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:44,340 and here in America, it's Jeff Kempler and I think 1077 00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:46,980 that he is either trying to show off for Guy Hands 1078 00:57:47,420 --> 00:57:49,360 and he thinks that he's gonna strangle all this. 1079 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,060 We have other options. 1080 00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:54,150 I, myself I'm ready to go all the way. 1081 00:57:54,790 --> 00:57:57,060 They're acting like they're so ready and happy 1082 00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:59,200 and willing to just go into litigation 1083 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,250 that I'm having to prepare the battle plan. 1084 00:58:02,850 --> 00:58:06,450 I think everyone is getting lost in the deal 1085 00:58:06,450 --> 00:58:09,690 and not seeing what a benefit 1086 00:58:09,690 --> 00:58:12,290 it probably could be to me and to them, 1087 00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:14,450 for us to work out something fair and reasonable. 1088 00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:17,360 But I can't do, I just can't do it 1089 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,600 if it's not fair. I can't do it and 1090 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,430 feel I've been taking advantage of? 1091 00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:23,290 Okay, so what's the next move here? 1092 00:58:32,130 --> 00:58:32,680 What's up? 1093 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,590 We need you again... (Okay) 1094 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,410 I thought that was gonna be an easy song. 1095 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,150 (yeah) I actually didn't think 1096 00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:41,090 it was gonna be an easy song, 1097 00:58:41,090 --> 00:58:42,940 I knew it's gonna be a pain in the fucking ass! 1098 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,920 Em. Can we try... Em. Just... You know? 1099 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,010 Sure... It's huh... Pretty fast. 1100 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,730 Is it better one foot or two? 1101 00:59:03,730 --> 00:59:04,930 One, I think. 1102 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,350 It's so weird, it's so fast. 1103 00:59:10,220 --> 00:59:10,970 It's very awkward. 1104 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,400 Jesus Christ! 1105 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,790 You know what you want, man! 1106 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,180 I need power... Need power... 1107 00:59:19,460 --> 00:59:20,430 It's not enough at one. 1108 00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:24,780 I got it brother, my brother. Right? 1109 00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:32,670 We will work with this. 1110 00:59:32,770 --> 00:59:33,920 We'll call you in a minute. 1111 00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:36,410 I don't know. 1112 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,200 I have no idea. 1113 01:00:31,830 --> 01:00:33,290 What about a little bit of like: 1114 01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:51,440 Some days you feel so strong 1115 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,660 and then, other days, you're like: 1116 01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:55,060 what the fuck am I doing? 1117 01:00:55,980 --> 01:00:57,560 I'm wondering if I'm ruining it? 1118 01:00:58,310 --> 01:01:00,250 Am I fucking it all up for Shannon and Tomo? 1119 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,740 Some days, I feel so confident, so strong, 1120 01:01:02,740 --> 01:01:05,450 I'm like: it doesn't matter 1121 01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:06,890 this album is gonna be so good, 1122 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,360 the songs are gonna be so great. 1123 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,090 It doesn't matter what label we are, 1124 01:01:12,090 --> 01:01:14,200 we're gonna reach people but you need the help. 1125 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,270 You need... You can't do it on your own. 1126 01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:18,370 And the other days, you just feel like: 1127 01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:19,610 what the fuck are we doing? 1128 01:01:19,930 --> 01:01:20,790 And I don't know, 1129 01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:22,580 maybe I'm fucked up to keep fighting. 1130 01:01:22,580 --> 01:01:25,080 I've had one successful record. 1131 01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:28,280 And I'm fighting like, 1132 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,680 I am the Rolling fucking Stones. 1133 01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:31,760 But who the fuck am I? 1134 01:01:32,290 --> 01:01:33,600 It's a fucking nightmare, man, 1135 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,390 this whole thing is a fucking nightmare. 1136 01:01:38,770 --> 01:01:41,290 I mean, all of this could be a year from now, 1137 01:01:41,290 --> 01:01:45,280 I mean, looking back and say: "Wow, I fucked up! 1138 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:46,920 I didn't sign with the label, 1139 01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:48,820 the record sold 12 fucking copies." 1140 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,070 I put everything that I have into this. 1141 01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:57,010 My entire life, everything. We all have. 1142 01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:15,430 You don't want to get through 1143 01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:16,710 all this fucking legal thing. 1144 01:02:17,710 --> 01:02:18,680 And you don't win anything. 1145 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:19,750 If it was like a pot of gold 1146 01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:20,990 at the end of that rainbow, I'll do it... 1147 01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:23,350 The win is: you don't lose anything. 1148 01:02:23,350 --> 01:02:24,570 Hey, that's your win! 1149 01:02:24,570 --> 01:02:26,570 The win is that you get to pay the legal fees. 1150 01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:27,340 That's what your win is. 1151 01:02:27,340 --> 01:02:28,780 That's the win... 1152 01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:30,110 You look to have some fun. 1153 01:02:30,110 --> 01:02:31,710 I haven't talked to Kempler in 6 months. 1154 01:02:31,710 --> 01:02:33,440 Let's call him. Your lawsuit... 1155 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,440 Hey! Brenna, call Jeff Kempler. 1156 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,850 I'm gonna have trouble being nice, seriously... 1157 01:02:39,350 --> 01:02:41,460 Hey guys, I'm in the bathroom at the airport, 1158 01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:42,400 so it's a little loud. 1159 01:02:42,690 --> 01:02:44,620 It's probably a little cold, too. 1160 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,220 Any place where it's cold for you makes me happy 1161 01:02:49,220 --> 01:02:50,300 It's Irving. 1162 01:03:11,050 --> 01:03:13,040 You sound like a corporate fucking dick, 1163 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,380 let's just talk about the deal. 1164 01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:16,380 The reality of fact is that: it's, you know, 1165 01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:19,360 it's really hard to advise these guys 1166 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,050 to do anything with that piece of shit of a company 1167 01:03:22,050 --> 01:03:26,130 that you work for, and say yes, say no, go away man, 1168 01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:28,310 just go away, if you don't want to do this. 1169 01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:30,220 And before they fucking sell the company out 1170 01:03:30,220 --> 01:03:31,820 from under you guys, put out the record. 1171 01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:32,440 Okay. 1172 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,390 But fly safe anyway. Bye. 1173 01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:37,860 Right. By the way just side issue. (Yes.) 1174 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,410 How is the record company? 1175 01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:46,950 What? 1176 01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:47,970 I just want to feel good. 1177 01:03:47,970 --> 01:03:49,330 This all negotiations, it doesn't feel good. 1178 01:03:49,330 --> 01:03:51,170 It's not supposed to feel good. 1179 01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:51,650 No. 1180 01:03:51,660 --> 01:03:53,420 This whole thing. You've got the unstable time. 1181 01:03:53,420 --> 01:03:55,620 You've got the unstable EMI. 1182 01:03:55,620 --> 01:03:57,670 You've got the unstable maverick way. 1183 01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:59,340 The thing... It's all unstable. 1184 01:03:59,340 --> 01:04:02,040 So, there's no feeling that's gonna be attached, 1185 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,370 to like: "Oh! Yeah..." 1186 01:04:03,370 --> 01:04:04,590 Then you've got the album we're doing 1187 01:04:04,590 --> 01:04:05,760 and you've got everything, dude. 1188 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,340 It's a little unstable, you know. 1189 01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:10,590 Managers who are standing up 1190 01:04:10,590 --> 01:04:11,990 and say they are very very worried 1191 01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:13,960 about the instability at EMI. 1192 01:04:14,170 --> 01:04:15,640 Major acts like Radiohead and 1193 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,080 Paul McCartney parted ways with the company. 1194 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:19,110 And I just said to my producers, 1195 01:04:19,110 --> 01:04:20,650 I said I want to feel excited 1196 01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:22,180 by releasing this record. 1197 01:04:26,410 --> 01:04:27,320 It's just a mess. 1198 01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:29,130 They're trying to manipulate us 1199 01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:30,180 with a little bit of fear. 1200 01:04:30,430 --> 01:04:32,070 They're pulling deals out from under our feet, 1201 01:04:32,070 --> 01:04:34,190 they're fucking with us, they're toying, 1202 01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:36,310 they're sending eMails, letters 1203 01:04:36,310 --> 01:04:37,870 just outright hostile. 1204 01:04:38,110 --> 01:04:40,670 The shakeup at EMI reportedly has Coldplay 1205 01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:42,610 rethinking a future deal with the label. 1206 01:04:42,830 --> 01:04:45,010 Robbie Williams's manager has been quoted as saying: 1207 01:04:45,010 --> 01:04:47,670 "The star is in no rush to put out a new album 1208 01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:49,560 due to a lack of faith in the new management." 1209 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,080 Today marks the deadline for Hands 1210 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,560 to meet a payment to Citigroup, 1211 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,310 one of its creditors, or 1212 01:04:56,310 --> 01:04:57,600 he'll lose control of the firm. 1213 01:04:58,250 --> 01:04:59,910 These people that they say one thing 1214 01:04:59,910 --> 01:05:00,980 and that they do another thing. 1215 01:05:00,980 --> 01:05:04,100 It's disgusting that they do business like this. 1216 01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:06,630 They wonder why they have a bad fucking name. 1217 01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:09,660 It's because they treat people like fucking shit. 1218 01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:12,320 They deserve the fucking disaster 1219 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,600 that they are in the middle of. 1220 01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:19,210 Walking out before I break shit. 1221 01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:21,010 You know you've got to guide me here, 1222 01:05:21,010 --> 01:05:22,890 I'm heel over my head, I don't know what to do. 1223 01:05:23,540 --> 01:05:24,550 Huh, I don't know either. 1224 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,440 It's amazing how this fucked-up-lawsuit 1225 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,940 is taking over our lives. 1226 01:05:29,740 --> 01:05:31,160 I feel like fuck we should just take 1227 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,200 the god damn deal, whatever it is 1228 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,070 just fucking take it, 1229 01:05:34,070 --> 01:05:35,510 what if everything got worse? 1230 01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:51,250 This part of the record is always really 1231 01:05:51,250 --> 01:05:53,360 really really important for me. 1232 01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:55,300 It's like the backing tracks are there, 1233 01:05:55,810 --> 01:05:58,010 they've got a lot of strong personality. 1234 01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:59,740 It doesn't matter whether it's good or bad. 1235 01:06:00,130 --> 01:06:01,330 It could be fast, it could be slow, 1236 01:06:01,330 --> 01:06:04,000 but they've all got some sort of essence to them 1237 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,670 that makes the songs stand out. 1238 01:06:06,370 --> 01:06:07,920 And now, it's like filling in, 1239 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:09,840 it's coloring the picture. 1240 01:06:10,780 --> 01:06:12,370 And I think that's the part 1241 01:06:12,370 --> 01:06:14,990 that has been missing from you. 1242 01:06:15,460 --> 01:06:18,320 I have to say: holy fuck! 1243 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:19,310 That's how I feel today. 1244 01:06:20,420 --> 01:06:23,390 You don't have like undeniable. 1245 01:06:24,110 --> 01:06:26,430 No, we don't right now as we speak, No! 1246 01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:28,540 I'll sit here for another year, 1247 01:06:28,540 --> 01:06:30,390 I'll Chinese democracy this motherfucker 1248 01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:32,280 if I have to. It doesn't matter. 1249 01:06:32,530 --> 01:06:34,400 I know exactly what you're talking about 1250 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,210 and this is quite usual at this stage of making a record. 1251 01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:43,000 You're now in the place where you're doubting everything. 1252 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:48,600 Everything is sort of plateauing and fundamentally, 1253 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,680 there is nothing that's getting your juices going. 1254 01:06:51,250 --> 01:06:53,330 And what I suggest is 1255 01:06:53,330 --> 01:06:55,320 that we need to look at the whole thing, 1256 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:56,520 because... 1257 01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:57,860 We're definitely missing a song 1258 01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:59,420 I can tell you that right now. 1259 01:06:59,510 --> 01:07:00,400 No, I agree with you. 1260 01:07:00,490 --> 01:07:03,450 So, it might be that 1261 01:07:03,450 --> 01:07:05,790 that has to be a period of just like: 1262 01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,880 okay, we are missing this, 1263 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,650 we do need to do another song 1264 01:07:10,650 --> 01:07:12,960 but maybe it hasn't been written. 1265 01:07:13,590 --> 01:07:16,400 But without at least getting 1266 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,880 some of these other songs into point 1267 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,720 you're not going to know what you're missing. 1268 01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:21,920 I hope that this is mid... You know, 1269 01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:25,700 the midlife crisis of the record, 1270 01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:29,250 but I don't know, I mean, we have to question everything. 1271 01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:08,250 It's the morning, early early morning, 1272 01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:09,180 it's still dark out and 1273 01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:12,370 we have decided to get out of Los Angeles. 1274 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:15,710 And go to Florida. 1275 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,160 I just couldn't face not doing something 1276 01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,490 for fucking New Year's Eve. 1277 01:08:20,980 --> 01:08:23,210 We've been going at it all fucking year. 1278 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,720 I want to dance this week. 1279 01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:26,540 You're gonna see a dancing fool. 1280 01:08:28,650 --> 01:08:29,350 Ditto. 1281 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,980 I need breakfast before I face this shit. 1282 01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:56,600 Everybody took a break. 1283 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,460 Shannon went to Hawaii, 1284 01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:04,450 Tomo went to Michigan. 1285 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,450 I feel like, there's a lot up in the air 1286 01:09:07,450 --> 01:09:10,870 and it was serendipitous 1287 01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:13,330 that the holiday break came at the time 1288 01:09:13,330 --> 01:09:16,460 when there was this make-or-break kind of place 1289 01:09:16,460 --> 01:09:17,550 we happen to be in, 1290 01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:18,650 for the record, 1291 01:09:18,650 --> 01:09:21,310 for the creative parts of the album, 1292 01:09:21,310 --> 01:09:23,710 for the lawsuit. 1293 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,650 Ready? She thinks you are Jared Leto. 1294 01:09:27,850 --> 01:09:28,730 She told me to come here 1295 01:09:28,730 --> 01:09:29,990 and ask you if you're Jared Leto? 1296 01:09:30,060 --> 01:09:31,070 Mmmm. Yep. 1297 01:09:31,610 --> 01:09:32,400 You are? Serious? 1298 01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:32,680 Yep. 1299 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:33,980 Are you just fucking with us? 1300 01:09:34,190 --> 01:09:36,040 No... How you doing? 1301 01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:37,880 I knew it. 1302 01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:38,450 What's up? 1303 01:09:42,900 --> 01:09:44,280 You don't think: oh, it's Miami, 1304 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,320 there's gonna be all these people 1305 01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:46,490 taking pictures on the beach. 1306 01:09:46,890 --> 01:09:48,260 Michael Jackson! 1307 01:09:48,260 --> 01:09:49,060 So, we escaped 1308 01:09:49,060 --> 01:09:50,950 and went to some alligator farm or something... 1309 01:10:42,450 --> 01:10:45,510 There's nothing like starting your new year in a swamp. 1310 01:10:49,050 --> 01:10:51,010 600 000 jobs lost in January. 1311 01:10:51,460 --> 01:10:53,870 The DOW is already down 2000 points. 1312 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,510 This is the Frank Lloyd Wright house. 1313 01:11:10,730 --> 01:11:12,270 I thought that would be a great place for us 1314 01:11:12,270 --> 01:11:14,760 to record and would be really inspiring. 1315 01:11:28,990 --> 01:11:30,030 You know what's exciting, 1316 01:11:30,110 --> 01:11:32,580 we're gonna have the spirit of this house inside the record. 1317 01:11:32,850 --> 01:11:34,750 This is a living, breathing piece of art. 1318 01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:49,830 Art, it's something we all aspire our work to be. 1319 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,990 Some people can do whatever they think of. 1320 01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:53,890 And what they think of is special 1321 01:12:54,270 --> 01:12:56,970 and moves other people. Those people are artists. 1322 01:13:00,370 --> 01:13:03,620 It's their bare honest truth 1323 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,450 about something that they love. 1324 01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:12,260 I think it's one of the avenues 1325 01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:15,670 to get to oneself to find out who we are. 1326 01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:25,400 Timeless art is the most difficult form of art. 1327 01:13:26,050 --> 01:13:27,770 I see it in the Chrysler building, 1328 01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:30,400 I see it in the Concorde. 1329 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,180 I hear it in the Beatles... 1330 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,570 The business is, I hate all those people, 1331 01:13:48,570 --> 01:13:49,750 those people are leeches. 1332 01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:54,690 All they ever do is care about not losing their job. 1333 01:13:54,690 --> 01:13:59,240 They never once care about enhancing the value of art. 1334 01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,270 One of the problems we have in business at large right now 1335 01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:04,620 is corporations own these businesses. 1336 01:14:04,620 --> 01:14:07,160 So, it's very difficult to change it ever 1337 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,260 because it has to be this machine that keeps going. 1338 01:14:10,710 --> 01:14:12,610 The other part of the problem is that 1339 01:14:12,610 --> 01:14:16,180 the business itself has homogenized the process. 1340 01:14:16,460 --> 01:14:18,580 The record company tells a band what to write, 1341 01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:20,350 how to write it, who to write with. 1342 01:14:20,350 --> 01:14:21,840 You know. What is gonna be a single, 1343 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,060 what's not gonna be a single. 1344 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,670 And I think has far too much control on a creative level. 1345 01:14:28,010 --> 01:14:31,140 So, that everything starts sounding very much the same. 1346 01:14:31,140 --> 01:14:32,180 That's a pendulum. I think. 1347 01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:33,720 What inevitably happens is 1348 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:34,890 that companies that are wrestling with that 1349 01:14:34,890 --> 01:14:37,430 creative, intuitive, blended with science, 1350 01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:39,750 they swing way too far to the 1351 01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:42,450 lets-be-scientific-and-mathematical. 1352 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,580 Sort of throw the baby out with the bath water 1353 01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:48,400 and lose that comfort with intuition, 1354 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,800 creative sensitivities 1355 01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:51,990 and mistakes get made that way. 1356 01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:53,780 The record companies keep consolidating 1357 01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:55,700 and so, there's less of them 1358 01:14:55,700 --> 01:14:58,120 and that's dictated by the fact 1359 01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,890 that it is a business and as business shrinks 1360 01:14:59,890 --> 01:15:01,420 and there is less people buying music. 1361 01:15:01,420 --> 01:15:02,870 What do the record companies do? 1362 01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:05,880 They cut cost. So, as a result of that 1363 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,580 you have less places for artists to go, 1364 01:15:07,580 --> 01:15:08,980 less people getting signed. 1365 01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:10,400 I don't think it ever ends... 1366 01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:12,350 I don't think it ever ends. 1367 01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:14,010 I've been in this business 19 years 1368 01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:15,870 and it was going on, the day I started 1369 01:15:15,870 --> 01:15:18,260 and it's going on now, you know. 1370 01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:21,010 I don't know that art and commerce 1371 01:15:21,010 --> 01:15:23,820 ever get married like that. 1372 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:36,570 Hello! 1373 01:15:39,150 --> 01:15:40,380 Jared they're grabbing Irving 1374 01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:47,070 Nobody told us what they were gonna do. 1375 01:15:47,070 --> 01:15:48,400 They wouldn't meet with us. 1376 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,060 They don't like us! 1377 01:15:53,020 --> 01:15:56,180 Yeah, I'm beginning not to like them very much either. 1378 01:15:56,590 --> 01:15:58,170 Documentary changes your own music? 1379 01:15:59,030 --> 01:16:01,030 Yeah, I don't understand how 1380 01:16:01,030 --> 01:16:01,980 that even happened. 1381 01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:05,510 I don't even know why we brought this up. 1382 01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:07,230 We shouldn't have never even brought it up. 1383 01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,400 No, I mean he would have say "no" later, 1384 01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:10,360 you had to bring it up. 1385 01:16:12,490 --> 01:16:14,040 You couldn't have just put the music in... 1386 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,710 You had to say... You know what I mean? 1387 01:16:16,150 --> 01:16:18,400 So, if there is a shot of me sitting 1388 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,030 and playing one of my songs 1389 01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:22,840 on the piano, at the house, 1390 01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:24,980 I'll have to get permission from EMI 1391 01:16:24,980 --> 01:16:26,530 in order to release this documentary? 1392 01:16:27,290 --> 01:16:29,210 Correct. They're basically gonna say that 1393 01:16:31,650 --> 01:16:33,210 we have a contract ready for 2 more albums, 1394 01:16:33,210 --> 01:16:35,510 so this is a settlement of that contract 1395 01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:37,010 and under that old contract 1396 01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:38,610 you couldn't put any music in the DVD without them, 1397 01:16:38,610 --> 01:16:40,450 they own the mere music, not you. 1398 01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:43,940 And the way they've worded it, 1399 01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:45,950 did they have like final cut over this thing? 1400 01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:48,330 They're like: we need to see a copy of it 1401 01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,310 and then we'll talk about it 1402 01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:51,900 if we're gonna license you the music for it, 1403 01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:53,110 is that basically how it is? 1404 01:16:53,460 --> 01:16:55,650 Yeah, they're trying to make you abandon the project. 1405 01:16:56,250 --> 01:16:58,950 Trying to get me abandon the film. 1406 01:16:59,550 --> 01:17:02,420 Yep. So, let's have a call. 1407 01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:04,590 Okay. 1408 01:17:05,130 --> 01:17:05,540 Bye. 1409 01:17:05,540 --> 01:17:06,120 Bye. 1410 01:17:10,570 --> 01:17:11,930 It all comes down. 1411 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,730 So basically, you sell the film 1412 01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:18,090 for the record deal. 1413 01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,190 Or you just take EMI out of the film. 1414 01:17:27,870 --> 01:17:28,620 Cause then they'll say: 1415 01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:30,060 "Sure, we'll let you put it out." 1416 01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:36,860 What's up girls? Hello? 1417 01:17:38,620 --> 01:17:40,750 To me, there is quite two factions in this company. 1418 01:17:40,750 --> 01:17:42,950 There's one that just doesn't want to make a deal with you 1419 01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:45,160 and there's one that does want to make a deal with you. 1420 01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:47,490 It's a further slap in the face to say 1421 01:17:48,030 --> 01:17:49,640 you can't do the documentary. 1422 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,690 It makes no rational financial sense. 1423 01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,740 I think I go back to them and say, 1424 01:17:53,970 --> 01:17:55,080 we own the documentary 1425 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:56,570 and we can do what we want with it. 1426 01:17:56,860 --> 01:18:00,000 Could you reiterate that there's more to life out there 1427 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,460 than a bloated failing corporation? 1428 01:18:06,230 --> 01:18:13,630 Aaahh Fuck... What a day. What-a-day! 1429 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:14,790 Could have been worse: 1430 01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:16,020 the record company could have told us 1431 01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:19,520 to go fuck ourselves. Oh wait! They just did. 1432 01:18:32,770 --> 01:18:35,530 EMI should be ashamed of themselves. 1433 01:18:35,530 --> 01:18:37,440 They came back with their offer today. 1434 01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:38,950 As soon we're getting somewhere, 1435 01:18:39,170 --> 01:18:42,810 some giant fucking moron at the company, thinks 1436 01:18:42,810 --> 01:18:44,610 they're gonna control and own this. 1437 01:18:44,610 --> 01:18:46,950 But guess what? They can kiss my fucking ass! 1438 01:18:47,530 --> 01:18:49,670 It's over. We are not doing that. 1439 01:18:49,670 --> 01:18:52,060 Just talked to Irving. Fucking idiots, man. 1440 01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:53,230 Good. 1441 01:18:53,500 --> 01:18:56,700 Greedy fucking corporate hubris. 1442 01:18:57,860 --> 01:19:00,800 We suggested a meeting, right? 1443 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,060 So, we can all sit face to face 1444 01:19:02,060 --> 01:19:04,250 and not get lost in the deal 1445 01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:05,650 and to be human about things. 1446 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,340 They said no. Just so you know. 1447 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:10,880 They said no, they think 1448 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,760 they're gonna own that piece of music with me 1449 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,870 just diddling on the piano. 1450 01:19:17,650 --> 01:19:19,070 I'll do it right now just for fun. 1451 01:19:32,570 --> 01:19:34,300 That's not yours, not mine. 1452 01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:37,540 No, it's just ludicrous. 1453 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,500 Selling recorded music that's the record. 1454 01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:44,290 And that's historically the only thing 1455 01:19:44,290 --> 01:19:45,940 that a record label records cared about. 1456 01:19:46,540 --> 01:19:48,050 Until that's stopped making money. 1457 01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:50,000 If Thirty Seconds to Mars started today, 1458 01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,540 they'd have an even worse deal 1459 01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:52,500 than they originally signed 1460 01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:54,590 cause they'd have what they called the 360 deal, 1461 01:19:54,590 --> 01:19:56,690 they'd have to give away a piece of their merchandising 1462 01:19:56,690 --> 01:19:58,920 and their touring, to get their record deal. 1463 01:19:59,470 --> 01:20:01,670 Thank god, we didn't get stuck in one of those deals. 1464 01:20:02,010 --> 01:20:05,450 360 deal is when a record label participates 1465 01:20:05,450 --> 01:20:08,360 in all revenue streams of an artist. 1466 01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:12,080 Typically touring, merchandise, 1467 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,430 could be publishing, licensing opportunities, 1468 01:20:14,430 --> 01:20:15,870 endorsement opportunities. 1469 01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:17,990 It's a direct response to the fact 1470 01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:20,540 that no one is selling 10 Million records anymore. 1471 01:20:20,540 --> 01:20:22,040 Even when you have a big hit, 1472 01:20:22,450 --> 01:20:23,980 they're not as big as they used to be. 1473 01:20:24,230 --> 01:20:26,490 So, if you are going to invest big money 1474 01:20:26,490 --> 01:20:28,590 in making an artist famous 1475 01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:31,110 then, you've got to find more ways to collect. 1476 01:20:32,020 --> 01:20:34,720 The argument I had on one of these deals is they said: 1477 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,720 "- Okay, if my client has a baby and sells baby pictures, 1478 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,010 do you participate in that? - Well yes." 1479 01:20:42,430 --> 01:20:43,740 Over the last 18 months, 1480 01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:47,020 90% of the deals that have been, 1481 01:20:47,020 --> 01:20:48,100 you know, signed by EMI, 1482 01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:51,300 have an extended amount of rights, 1483 01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:54,880 if they are not 360, they're, you know, 280... 1484 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,840 or something... Whatever... You know. 1485 01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,510 So yes, definitely, definitely more. 1486 01:20:59,740 --> 01:21:01,560 Everyone wants 360 now as far as labels. 1487 01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:03,250 Majors at least. 1488 01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:06,630 Indies are still not necessarily all 360, you know. 1489 01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:07,800 Some do some don't. 1490 01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,040 So, how does it help an artist? 1491 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,200 Well, it doesn't. 1492 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:12,180 You've got no leverage, 1493 01:21:12,180 --> 01:21:13,490 you're a band just starting out 1494 01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:16,990 and neither a label will take this off the table, 1495 01:21:16,990 --> 01:21:18,290 so, so what do you do? 1496 01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:20,380 For a band to do a 360 deal, well, 1497 01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:24,420 now, they're turning over their real cash prize. 1498 01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:27,320 Which is their ability to make money touring 1499 01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:28,910 and make money in selling merchandise. 1500 01:21:29,230 --> 01:21:32,350 What do labels typically take from a 360? 1501 01:21:32,350 --> 01:21:33,890 You know, they vary depending on... 1502 01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:38,110 I've seen as much as 10 to 25% of the artist's piece. 1503 01:21:39,210 --> 01:21:41,660 You know, I've seen some of the television 1504 01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:47,840 star deals go as high as 50%. Pretty crazy. 1505 01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,040 They've just got this entire plantation mentality, 1506 01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,560 they should own everything that an artist does 1507 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,290 and I've never been comfortable with that. 1508 01:21:56,290 --> 01:21:57,780 I just really hate that. 1509 01:21:57,780 --> 01:22:00,760 I don't need your permission as a record company owner 1510 01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,610 to go do, you know, things like movies or TV shows. 1511 01:22:04,610 --> 01:22:05,880 Screw you guys ! 1512 01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:23,160 After we rejected their last offer, 1513 01:23:23,420 --> 01:23:26,010 EMI finally agreed to sit down face to face 1514 01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:28,290 so, that we could try to work something out. 1515 01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:32,760 So, I got on a plane and headed to New York. 1516 01:23:37,530 --> 01:23:39,670 We've been fighting for a long time already 1517 01:23:39,670 --> 01:23:41,880 and there wasn't a lot of communication going on 1518 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,550 with us and the label directly. 1519 01:23:45,130 --> 01:23:46,130 Let's say virtually none. 1520 01:23:50,060 --> 01:23:50,860 It's freezing out! 1521 01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,060 I always loved this city ever since I was a kid, 1522 01:23:59,930 --> 01:24:02,580 it's been a magical place for me. 1523 01:24:02,780 --> 01:24:04,670 Every time I come to New York, I'm excited. 1524 01:24:08,420 --> 01:24:10,200 I feel like this is my city in a weird way. 1525 01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:13,670 More than LA is. There's something about it. 1526 01:24:14,980 --> 01:24:16,240 Always an adventure. 1527 01:24:17,740 --> 01:24:19,290 Wait, wait, you're in a movie. I know you. 1528 01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:20,370 You're famous, aren't you? 1529 01:24:20,370 --> 01:24:21,780 Erm... Yeah... Kind of... 1530 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,560 You were in that very cool movie (Sometimes…) 1531 01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,230 with the crazy lady. 1532 01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:26,330 Yeah, yeah, Requiem for a Dream. 1533 01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:29,420 Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god... Etc. (Hi) 1534 01:24:29,690 --> 01:24:30,980 You're in my favorite mov… (How is it going?) 1535 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,250 Oh my god, I'm gonna cry. 1536 01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:33,800 You are in my favorite movie in the whole... 1537 01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:34,570 I love that movie. 1538 01:24:34,570 --> 01:24:35,220 Thank you. 1539 01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:36,240 Oh my god, oh my god... 1540 01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:37,930 What's in that drink? 1541 01:24:38,030 --> 01:24:38,980 Extra caffeine? 1542 01:24:40,190 --> 01:24:41,710 It's the big meeting Sunday. 1543 01:24:42,990 --> 01:24:44,360 It's was nice to be in New York. 1544 01:24:44,500 --> 01:24:46,150 I had a chance to get away from the studio 1545 01:24:46,150 --> 01:24:47,550 and see some friends. 1546 01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,470 But the main focus of the trip was this meeting. 1547 01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,940 I was excited that there was a chance to work things out. 1548 01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:58,200 Unfortunately... 1549 01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:01,690 EMI canceled... 1550 01:25:07,260 --> 01:25:08,500 It was a long way to go 1551 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,950 to get stood up, but while I was in New York 1552 01:25:11,050 --> 01:25:13,630 I heard that there were major changes happening 1553 01:25:13,630 --> 01:25:16,250 at the label once again and 1554 01:25:16,670 --> 01:25:18,720 that any possibility of a deal with EMI 1555 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,800 was very unlikely. 1556 01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:34,340 Oh! I like that... What he is playing. 1557 01:25:35,730 --> 01:25:37,290 Gonna tell them I like that. 1558 01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:40,340 Did you record that? 1559 01:25:41,170 --> 01:25:42,380 No, no, the regular one. 1560 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,170 Huh? No, no, I like the beginning 1561 01:25:44,170 --> 01:25:45,570 how you just played that. 1562 01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:46,380 Yeah. 1563 01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:54,660 It's fucking fucking because it's off. 1564 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:55,920 It gets off. 1565 01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,010 You just got to listen to the click you're good. 1566 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,050 Hold on a second. 1567 01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,210 It's fine. You just got to keep on that beat. 1568 01:26:03,210 --> 01:26:03,990 That's the thing. 1569 01:26:04,050 --> 01:26:05,710 I'm playing to the click but it's going slower. (Yeah, I know) 1570 01:26:05,710 --> 01:26:06,830 but you're right with the click 1571 01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:07,910 so it's really hard. 1572 01:26:08,150 --> 01:26:09,250 You know you got to be like a machine. 1573 01:26:09,250 --> 01:26:10,870 Ahhhh! Humans! 1574 01:26:14,740 --> 01:26:16,600 You hear that the slicer is not with the click? 1575 01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:17,680 Right? 1576 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:18,760 You want me to play that? 1577 01:26:19,220 --> 01:26:20,830 Yeah, go ahead, yeah, please do. 1578 01:26:21,170 --> 01:26:22,980 Prove me that the slicer is not slowing down! 1579 01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:26,520 I'll prove it right now. Where is my goddam pick? 1580 01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,590 That's it... Use his pull-off... Use my other thing... 1581 01:26:38,050 --> 01:26:39,560 It's like the performances between the two 1582 01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:40,430 are good enough so... 1583 01:26:41,710 --> 01:26:43,940 Oh yeah... The elbow, baby! 1584 01:26:44,460 --> 01:26:45,580 The fucking elbow! Woo... 1585 01:26:45,860 --> 01:26:48,130 Here we come motherfucker! Yeah! 1586 01:26:48,130 --> 01:26:49,130 What else we... 1587 01:26:55,330 --> 01:27:00,120 Don't you just want to make something that lives forever? 1588 01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,490 Something that's phenomenal? Something that's great? 1589 01:27:02,590 --> 01:27:04,510 Something that's undeniable? 1590 01:27:04,900 --> 01:27:08,010 That touches the core of every person that hears it? 1591 01:27:08,900 --> 01:27:09,570 Yeah! (You know) 1592 01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:12,060 Yeah. You want to make something beautiful, 1593 01:27:12,060 --> 01:27:15,250 something moving, something provocative, 1594 01:27:15,450 --> 01:27:17,200 something that's pure and true. 1595 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:19,180 We're doing that. 1596 01:27:19,850 --> 01:27:20,410 I hope so. 1597 01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:53,180 All along EMI had been interested in resigning us. 1598 01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,380 The problem was they kept offering us 1599 01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,240 different variations of the same terrible deal. 1600 01:27:59,430 --> 01:28:02,410 We decided we would consider resigning with EMI 1601 01:28:02,630 --> 01:28:04,480 if they were willing to make things right. 1602 01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:06,910 Especially as it would put an end 1603 01:28:06,910 --> 01:28:08,430 to this brutal lawsuit and ensure 1604 01:28:08,430 --> 01:28:10,080 that our album would see the light a day. 1605 01:28:11,180 --> 01:28:12,740 So, we went back to them one last time 1606 01:28:13,220 --> 01:28:14,330 and basically told them: 1607 01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:17,380 "Look, these are our final terms and conditions, 1608 01:28:17,380 --> 01:28:18,460 either meet them 1609 01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,830 or there really isn't anything left to talk about." 1610 01:28:22,270 --> 01:28:25,580 EMI responded saying they'd get back to us in 24 hours 1611 01:28:25,580 --> 01:28:27,150 with their official final response. 1612 01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:33,070 It's a little weird we haven't heard from EMI. 1613 01:28:33,780 --> 01:28:34,690 No word from EMI. 1614 01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:36,560 We're waiting for one finale response. 1615 01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:37,810 Aaahh... 1616 01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:42,150 ...And... Nothing! 1617 01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:43,590 Still no word from EMI. 1618 01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:45,400 We're gonna hear from them tomorrow. 1619 01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:48,530 Tomorrow is the day. 1620 01:28:51,210 --> 01:28:51,790 It's not bad. 1621 01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:57,790 Tomorrow, which is what we've been told again, 1622 01:28:57,790 --> 01:29:02,020 and again, and again, and again, etc. 1623 01:29:02,570 --> 01:29:04,460 That it was tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow... 1624 01:29:04,460 --> 01:29:06,340 Jesus Christ! 1625 01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,680 Please someone just shut that fucking dog up. 1626 01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:11,070 Maybe he's pissed too? 1627 01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:15,440 EMI told him he's gonna get his dog food tomorrow. 1628 01:29:16,230 --> 01:29:22,620 We should have something tomorrow, tomorrow, etc. 1629 01:29:35,150 --> 01:29:36,320 It's like the guy in the movie, you know. 1630 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,960 Tooooomorrrrrrow. It's ridiculous. 1631 01:29:56,250 --> 01:29:56,910 EMI. 1632 01:30:04,890 --> 01:30:05,630 Holly shit. 1633 01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:11,360 EMI caved. 1634 01:30:14,330 --> 01:30:18,230 "I think we are done, capital D.O.N.E. 1635 01:30:18,230 --> 01:30:20,310 Press release to be mutually approved 1636 01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:22,220 but that can happened quickly after signing, 1637 01:30:22,220 --> 01:30:24,580 meanwhile could you get an approved quote from Jared 1638 01:30:24,580 --> 01:30:25,830 and we will send you a draft. 1639 01:30:28,030 --> 01:30:30,580 Thanks to all, now the real work starts." 1640 01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:37,370 Now we have to decide. 1641 01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,540 So Shannon, Tomo and I got together and debated, 1642 01:31:24,940 --> 01:31:27,610 discussed and made a decision. 1643 01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:30,610 EMI came to us and offered us 1644 01:31:30,710 --> 01:31:32,190 the deal we were fighting for. 1645 01:31:32,940 --> 01:31:33,740 So, we accepted. 1646 01:31:42,420 --> 01:31:43,970 Is it really Friday the thirteen? 1647 01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:49,160 It is pretty brave, bold and stupid of them 1648 01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:54,750 to actually make a deal with a band, 1649 01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:56,750 even if it's us, without having heard the record. 1650 01:31:58,060 --> 01:31:59,660 But at the same time, they knew 1651 01:31:59,660 --> 01:32:01,210 there's not a chance in a fucking hell 1652 01:32:01,210 --> 01:32:03,150 I was gonna play them a single second of this record. 1653 01:32:03,150 --> 01:32:07,980 You have to do what's best for the music at this point. 1654 01:32:08,290 --> 01:32:12,490 I think what's best for the music is resigning with EMI 1655 01:32:12,570 --> 01:32:13,680 and putting a record out. 1656 01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:24,650 Your goal on this album 1657 01:32:24,650 --> 01:32:26,520 is to have many people as possible buy that. 1658 01:32:26,620 --> 01:32:28,070 You have to consider your career. 1659 01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:29,180 It's all about your career. 1660 01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:31,500 So, what do you think we should do? 1661 01:32:32,060 --> 01:32:33,630 I think you should sign this thing, 1662 01:32:33,630 --> 01:32:34,680 get your record out there 1663 01:32:34,690 --> 01:32:36,540 and get back to your career away from courts. 1664 01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:38,220 What do you think we should do? 1665 01:32:39,250 --> 01:32:41,220 You should absolutely sign this deal right now 1666 01:32:41,220 --> 01:32:43,160 and then go back to the studio and keep working. 1667 01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:43,750 Yeah. 1668 01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:46,200 It's amazing that at the same time 1669 01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,350 we're trying making a deal, the world is falling apart. 1670 01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:50,130 Look, you've got seven or eight years 1671 01:32:50,130 --> 01:32:52,360 of the record business just going straight to the dumper 1672 01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:53,450 and then, six great months ago, 1673 01:32:53,450 --> 01:32:56,240 the rest of the world went with the record business. 1674 01:32:56,340 --> 01:32:58,190 Everything is in the dumper now. 1675 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,250 So, why don' I feel like we should be celebrating? 1676 01:33:01,610 --> 01:33:03,220 Because it's the record business, 1677 01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:04,690 there's really nothing to celebrate 1678 01:33:04,690 --> 01:33:05,810 about the record business, 1679 01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:07,550 because it's a dying business. 1680 01:33:07,980 --> 01:33:09,620 And especially on an international level 1681 01:33:09,620 --> 01:33:12,340 where you guys, you're gonna sell 70% of your records 1682 01:33:12,340 --> 01:33:14,110 cause more records still sell overseas. 1683 01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:16,580 You know, you gotta have one of these, guys. 1684 01:33:16,580 --> 01:33:18,800 And this is the one you get without a lawsuit. 1685 01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:21,020 Jared, you were very idealistic and 1686 01:33:21,020 --> 01:33:23,080 you wanted to write the wrongs of the record business 1687 01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,370 and you're not gonna have your chance to see it before 1688 01:33:25,780 --> 01:33:28,580 it shines a light on the corruption of the music business 1689 01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,710 or take it down, but it's going down anyway. 1690 01:33:30,890 --> 01:33:31,700 That's the problem. 1691 01:33:32,020 --> 01:33:33,670 It's hard to stop fighting sometimes. (Much tougher) 1692 01:33:33,670 --> 01:33:34,850 How do you stop fighting? 1693 01:33:34,850 --> 01:33:35,890 How can you do that? 1694 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,580 Because they're all fired. 1695 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:39,860 This, by the way, is one contract. 1696 01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:46,500 Take a deep breath, man. 1697 01:33:47,830 --> 01:33:49,540 The deal that we made was a very favorable one 1698 01:33:49,540 --> 01:33:51,800 and a much better deal that Thirty Second to Mars had. 1699 01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:54,400 The goal of the litigation is to accomplish 1700 01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,530 whatever goal you got the litigation for. 1701 01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,270 I don't think that the court room 1702 01:33:59,270 --> 01:34:01,130 is a really good place for artists to be. 1703 01:34:01,340 --> 01:34:03,110 I think they're better off in the studios. 1704 01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:07,360 The real battle is the clock starts. 1705 01:34:07,860 --> 01:34:08,950 You got to finish the record. 1706 01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:11,550 Mmmm... Yeah. 1707 01:34:13,330 --> 01:34:14,800 Try to get this show on the road. 1708 01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:17,650 And no excuses. 1709 01:34:20,460 --> 01:34:22,250 Have you finished with this song yet? 1710 01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:26,240 So, the new contract with EMI says 1711 01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:28,320 that we have three weeks left to finish. 1712 01:34:28,910 --> 01:34:29,780 The clock is ticking. 1713 01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:43,610 Is there any kind of methodology 1714 01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:49,050 that you know about to increase the productivity 1715 01:34:49,260 --> 01:34:51,430 of the remaining days we have here? 1716 01:34:53,550 --> 01:34:55,410 So, Guy Hands stepped down today. 1717 01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:56,230 Oh, did he?! 1718 01:34:56,740 --> 01:34:58,550 That definitely means there's some shit shifting 1719 01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:59,530 and changing around. 1720 01:35:00,410 --> 01:35:02,500 Breaking news, Citigroup taking ownership 1721 01:35:02,500 --> 01:35:04,750 of one of the world's leading music companies. 1722 01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:09,600 Guys Hands is from Terra Firma, acquired EMI 1723 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,030 with a lot of debt and the numbers 1724 01:35:12,030 --> 01:35:13,750 never made a lot of sense and so? 1725 01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:17,700 here we are with Citigroup taking control of EMI. 1726 01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,610 The decline and demolishment of EMI 1727 01:35:20,810 --> 01:35:25,300 is a sad 21st century story of failure. 1728 01:35:27,770 --> 01:35:29,180 He was running a whole company 1729 01:35:29,380 --> 01:35:31,630 that categorically he was incapable of running. 1730 01:35:31,860 --> 01:35:33,900 Obviously it turned out to be a tremendous mistake 1731 01:35:34,180 --> 01:35:35,220 bought at the wrong time. 1732 01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:37,360 He really believed he was gonna transform it 1733 01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,680 and then sell it. I don't think he thought, 1734 01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,660 that he would own it and then, lose it. 1735 01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:45,750 What EMI now is, it's a bump sitting on Citibank 1736 01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:49,190 balance sheet, waiting to be removed from their balance sheet 1737 01:35:49,190 --> 01:35:50,760 and sold to the next sucker. 1738 01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,040 There is no killer App. to turn around a record company. 1739 01:35:54,510 --> 01:35:57,660 It has to be done slowly and patiently and it takes time. 1740 01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,060 It takes time to break artist, 1741 01:35:59,060 --> 01:36:00,070 it takes time to sign artist, 1742 01:36:00,070 --> 01:36:01,720 and it takes time to get the right executives in. 1743 01:36:01,750 --> 01:36:05,140 I think that guy, and I wouldn't say this to his face... 1744 01:36:05,140 --> 01:36:07,380 Hum... He is a very bright guy 1745 01:36:07,380 --> 01:36:13,130 who unfortunately had the popular misimpression 1746 01:36:13,410 --> 01:36:15,830 that the music business is populated by idiots and thieves. 1747 01:36:17,470 --> 01:36:18,830 We've got our fair share of them, 1748 01:36:18,830 --> 01:36:21,220 but there's a lot smart, good people in the business. 1749 01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,210 Just because the guy is a billionaire 1750 01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:26,720 and he's made a bunch of money in other businesses, 1751 01:36:26,820 --> 01:36:28,710 you know... We have a long list of people 1752 01:36:29,010 --> 01:36:32,130 from outside the music business that have come 1753 01:36:32,130 --> 01:36:34,820 and entered the business and left it in ruins. 1754 01:36:34,970 --> 01:36:36,520 And he is the biggest fool of all of them. 1755 01:36:57,210 --> 01:36:58,160 You know what I think? 1756 01:36:58,260 --> 01:36:58,830 What? 1757 01:36:58,990 --> 01:37:00,810 I think we're gonna finish this song tonight. 1758 01:37:13,070 --> 01:37:13,970 Pretty good one. 1759 01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:15,740 Let's call it finished. 1760 01:37:16,250 --> 01:37:19,310 Woo! High five! Yeah! 1761 01:37:19,580 --> 01:37:25,640 Woo! Come on! Don't leave me hanging, boys! 1762 01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,680 The future of the music business is unknown. 1763 01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,650 That's what makes it exciting to some 1764 01:38:04,650 --> 01:38:07,350 and really scary to others. 1765 01:38:07,450 --> 01:38:09,690 Because people can record in their houses 1766 01:38:09,890 --> 01:38:11,290 and distribute overnight. 1767 01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,870 I believe that music can reclaim 1768 01:38:13,870 --> 01:38:16,070 its space as the driving medium. 1769 01:38:16,300 --> 01:38:17,740 There is change, there's evolution. 1770 01:38:17,740 --> 01:38:20,270 If you don't ride the change, you die. 1771 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,390 Jared always jokes that some kid is gonna write a song 1772 01:38:23,390 --> 01:38:24,740 and he's gonna figure it out 1773 01:38:24,740 --> 01:38:26,240 and is gonna sell hundreds millions copies of a single 1774 01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:28,870 by himself and he's gonna make a Billion Dollars 1775 01:38:29,790 --> 01:38:31,220 and he's gonna say: "fuck you, 1776 01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:32,580 I don't need you." And then, 1777 01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:34,070 that's gonna be the new beginning. 1778 01:38:34,710 --> 01:38:35,800 People listen to more music now 1779 01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:37,440 than ever before, from a bigger 1780 01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:38,570 diversity of artists. 1781 01:38:38,570 --> 01:38:41,180 So, I think culturally, we are in a much better place. 1782 01:38:41,180 --> 01:38:42,680 I look at it and I actually think 1783 01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,160 that we are at sort of entering the golden age for music. 1784 01:38:45,370 --> 01:38:48,760 I love the idea that we may, in this next generation, 1785 01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:53,490 not be living in a world of the possibility of, 1786 01:38:53,490 --> 01:38:55,320 you know, being successful is, 1787 01:38:55,540 --> 01:38:58,070 that you have to be Michael Jackson, Madonna, 1788 01:38:58,660 --> 01:39:01,210 Prince, Lady Gaga but, that actually like: 1789 01:39:01,210 --> 01:39:02,750 the dream of being musician means, 1790 01:39:02,750 --> 01:39:06,410 you can just make a living and connect with people 1791 01:39:06,410 --> 01:39:08,750 and make your music and not have to have a job you hate. 1792 01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:09,970 Music will never die. 1793 01:39:10,490 --> 01:39:12,460 It will always drive industry, 1794 01:39:12,460 --> 01:39:14,420 it will always drive innovation, 1795 01:39:14,420 --> 01:39:17,000 it will be always be available to everyone 1796 01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,690 and everyone always is going to want it. 1797 01:39:20,350 --> 01:39:22,740 It doesn't really matter what the critic says 1798 01:39:22,740 --> 01:39:24,270 or the gatekeeper says, 1799 01:39:24,630 --> 01:39:27,220 really, in this day and age of the music industry, 1800 01:39:27,220 --> 01:39:29,630 the new gatekeepers are the fans. 1801 01:39:30,050 --> 01:39:34,130 If you have 5 Million people downloading your album for free, 1802 01:39:34,750 --> 01:39:37,450 that's still 5 Million people you've touched. 1803 01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:42,350 and has a value to me that's far greater than money. 1804 01:40:42,740 --> 01:40:43,930 How many people have a copy 1805 01:40:44,230 --> 01:40:45,890 of our new record "This is War?" 1806 01:40:49,550 --> 01:40:52,180 And how many people stole that copy off the internet?